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to think that 8.30 am is too early to skin up

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drwitch Mon 23-Sep-13 10:56:57

it seems to be getting more and more common round us (dads doing it while walking their children to school, people doing it before opening up their shops for day)

I am just really surprised that it is done so much in public

MymbleBaratheonBendsTheKnee Mon 23-Sep-13 11:00:00

YADNBU shock Mildly impressed that anyone could manage to skin up whilst doing the school run though

drwitch Mon 23-Sep-13 11:02:41

think the rolling happens before they leave the house but yes can't imagine this either. - sorting out breakfast, homework, P.E kit, lunches and then having time to roll a Camberwell carrot is pretty amazing

KellyElly Mon 23-Sep-13 11:06:38

God, they'd need to go back to bed after smoking at that time of the morning!

pizzachickenhotforyou Mon 23-Sep-13 11:09:25

I used to do this. But I was a teenager on the way to a dull job. Looking after your children and doing this - too early and quite pathetic.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 11:52:37

As is weed?! Parents are actually smoking weed whilst walking their children to school? Don't the teachers report them to SS?

It's 'wake and bake', and I'm under the impression most sort it out the night before. You've got to be organised with your weed worship.

pigletmania Mon 23-Sep-13 12:05:58

What putting cream on their skin, never too late for that!

pigletmania Mon 23-Sep-13 12:06:33

I out mine in the morning after I've had a showe

morethanpotatoprints Mon 23-Sep-13 12:10:11

Surely it depends on how much they're putting in.
Also, I used to roll a large cig before taking dc to school, there was no gear in it, but looking at it you wouldn't have known because it looked identical to a joint.
Are you smelling it each time?

drwitch Mon 23-Sep-13 12:14:46

I always smell it before I see it, first few times I thought it was simply bonfire (herbal baccy) but tis definitely weed

givemeaboost Mon 23-Sep-13 12:18:24

fgs there are worse things happening in the world hardbolied! ss wouldn't do anything about that!

peachactiviaminge Mon 23-Sep-13 12:19:59

They do this at our school and stand outside the gates smoking it. I suspect some of these people never stop smoking though. Not in Nottingham are you? hmm

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 14:02:49

I am sure there are worse things happening, that doesn't make taking drugs infront of your children OK. I am not a social worker but i do work for children's services, if i were aware that any of the parents that we engage with were taking drugs in front of their children i certainly would be reporting it.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 16:23:26

What's the big deal here? They are not doing any harm! Doubt they are offering the kids blowbacks on-route so take their example and chillax!

WorraLiberty Mon 23-Sep-13 16:28:59

I read the thread title and thought you were asking MN if you should have a joint grin

I think 'It's joint O'clock somewhere', would have been the reply...if the wine threads are anything to go by.

CotherMuckingFunt Mon 23-Sep-13 16:32:11

There are parents at our school who smoke weed in their cars with the kids in there. I'm torn between wanting to bollock them and asking for a pull.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 16:33:45

The relaxed attitude to this is shocking.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 16:38:13

cother we used to call that hot boxing, you would get high off the fumes without actually having to smoke any. So these primary aged children are going in to school half baked and no one thinks it's much of an issue.

Magicjellyflood Mon 23-Sep-13 16:38:44

Wow I'm disgusted that some people think this is ok!shock
I'm glad this doesn't happen at my dc school as I would be informing ss and the police myself!hmm

ButterMyArse Mon 23-Sep-13 16:39:58

Pretty grim to be doing this first thing with kids in tow. I used to have the odd morning joint in my youth but even at my most dissolute never smoked before work. The thought of being stoned around children is horrifying to me, for many reasons.

persimmon Mon 23-Sep-13 16:40:09

I agree; these are illegal drugs we're talking about - and what an appalling example to set the kids.

Mojavewonderer Mon 23-Sep-13 16:45:39

I used to be able to smell it outside my daughters infant school, luckily I've not smelt it outside her new school but I just couldn't get over how someone thinks its ok to smoke drugs around their own children let alone a whole school of kids. Takes all sorts I suppose.

passedgo Mon 23-Sep-13 16:45:46

You should report this. It's illegal and neglectful of the child. What is the parent like in other ways?

Dahlen Mon 23-Sep-13 16:47:02

How thoroughly depressing! sad

I'm anti drugs, but even if I weren't, I'd still find this shocking. Back in the day when I used to know a lot more people who used drugs of various classifications, those who led productive lives would not have been caught dead smoking a joint on the school run. That has, and always will be, the habit of a loser IMO.

Smoking it openly in public creates a situation in which public consumption of cannabis is viewed as normal. It's a smell and sight that becomes familiar to children growing up. So much so that when they are offered their first toke, aged 12, they think that everyone is doing it so where's the harm. Not good for any neighbourhood.

xfilefan Mon 23-Sep-13 16:48:51

Herb shouldnt be illegal.The more its done in public the more the government might realise that. But children shouldnt have to breathe in the smoke from joints or cigarettes so anyone smoking at the school gates/in the car with their kids is being unreasonable.

PeriodFeatures Mon 23-Sep-13 16:52:17

The relaxed attitude to this is shocking

I agree.

I find it completely unacceptable for a parent to smoke cannabis in front of children, their own and other peoples.

Cannabis is addictive and mind altering. There is a time and a place. It isn't at the school gate.

NellysKnickers Mon 23-Sep-13 16:53:24

I'd just ask for a puff, might make dealing with ds2's tantrums a bit easier grin

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 16:55:46

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thebody Mon 23-Sep-13 16:55:54

good grief! must lead a sheltered life as never seen/ smelt or heard if this outside a school gate in the morning.

depressing enough seeing parents faggin it!

CotherMuckingFunt Mon 23-Sep-13 16:57:18

hardboiled I know. I used to do it and I'm disgusted that people would smoke anything with their children in that close proximity. The asking for a pull was an attempt at wry humour. Obviously a shit one.

thebody Mon 23-Sep-13 16:58:13

Allforoneanddoneforall, don't hold back there love, you vent.

second thoughts you need to chill out a bit so roll one up. grin

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:01:38

I will, as soon as i get home from this prison, i mean office! Have a tiny bit in a rolly most nights, and i am still a fully functioning member of society and a mum, fancy that aye!

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 17:02:20

Wtf allforone? Did you mean to sound casually racist?

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:06:15

Is it racist to not want to deal with a foreigner who has both a different cultural background as well as first language to you? I think not

And SS are the racist ones believe me - Why is it that a white child can be fostered to a black family but not vice versa? Apparently a black child MUST be with black foster carerers otherwise their cultural needs are not being met.....WTF?? I know it's off topic but highlighting my point!

Allforone, agree with you apart from the ss bit. Racist?.....

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 17:12:28

Yes, amazingly enough, including a person's race in a litany of reasons why they are incompetent at their job comes across as a teeny bit racist.

But you sound like you have your own issues going on, so i'll just wish you good luck with all that while i back slowly away smiling nicely.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 17:13:23

allforone firstly, whilst i am not a social worker, many of my colleagues are and not one of them is a cunt. Secondly, i don't really have a problem with adults smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes, i do have a problem with adults smoking weed in front of their children.

Out of my friendship group from school, the ones whose parents smoked a bit of weed around their children, are largely the ones who now spend their days smoking weed and their evenings taking ket.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:20:29

It is not racist to state that a muslim Somalian aged 25 with broken English IS a reason they could be shit at their job when their job includes knowing the local community, culture, way of life and liaising with local people on sensitive issues. Who would feel comfortable with that or feel that someone like that could possible be of any "help" to them? Why does the SS reserve the term "meeting cultural needs" to foreigners and black born british (who would have exactly the same cultural needs as anyone born here would they not!)

PeriodFeatures Mon 23-Sep-13 17:22:21

Weed is harmless!

No it's not. The weed that is smoked in this country can cause psychosis, is addictive, and funds crime.

Apparently a black child MUST be with black foster carerers otherwise their cultural needs are not being me

I have worked with black children placed with white foster carers so this is not true.

Socials Services are not Cunts. Without Social Care there would be no support systems in place to intervene when familes and individuals need support and children need protecting.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:22:39

So hardboiledpossum - Your instant reaction to this thread was "call SS" - What exactly do you think they should do then??

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 17:26:43

So you're talking about a specific social worker that you have had contact with then? And you found that specific individual's race and age was a barrier to them doing their job? Did you complain?

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 17:28:03

What cultural needs do you feel you have that are not being met by social services?

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:28:16

PerioudFeatures - I was in care - I was sent to live with a African Lady and a Jamaican man who spoke only in religious tongues, ate nothing but stinky food which i have never seen before in my life but was expected to eat, barely understood a word of what was being said and had to share an attic with a Somalian girl who spoke no English - Was that meeting an English persons cultural needs? The people in question only refered to me as "the white girl" to SS. Many black friends were assessed for cultural needs and placed in foster places that met this. I was TOLD by them that this was not applicable to White British. Granted this was several years ago. If a black child is placed with white carers it IS looked at differently and their cultural needs are assesed and looked at (even if this is by advising white carers of certain cultural things etc) completely differently

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 17:29:54

"Stinky food"

I'm out. Good luck with your whole... thing.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:30:13

ArtexMonkey - Oh it would be "rasict" to complain that i didn't want to deal with a foreign black young single childless muslim surely - Heaven forbid i mention someones nationality

specialsubject Mon 23-Sep-13 17:32:07

not doing any harm? So it is all right to be stoned while supervising children, to show them how it is done and to make them grow up thinking that being a tragic weedie is acceptable?

oh, and the stuff can cause brain damage too.

passedgo Mon 23-Sep-13 17:34:22

Allforone I agree with your point about SS should be culturally compatible or neutral if there is such a thing, but a new thread on that subject might help.

I've seen very few culturally compatible doctors, midwives, specialists or social services workers over the years, most of them have either had an accent so strong I couldn't understand what they were saying.

AlexReidsLonelyBraincell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:34:24

It's like the Daily Mail and Jim Davidson have spawned.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:37:21

Most people that smoke weed regularly don't get "stoned" - Plus if they are on the way to drop them off they are not supervising them for the whole day anyway. Would you have a glass of wine in the evening whilst you DC are around - Same thing

Kids wouldn't know the difference between that and a ciggy anyhow!

From "a tragic weedie" that is smart/skilled enough to earn 5 x what a social worker earns!

passedgo Mon 23-Sep-13 17:38:24

Allforone you have a point and you care was obviously not adequate, what council was it? Have you made a formal complaint?

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 17:39:13

I would expect them to log the incident and see if any other concerns had been raised regarding the family. On its own i doubt it would meet the threshold fir any any intervention but it could do if it was part of a bigger picture. I think it is important to log all of the little things so that you are able to get the bigger picture.

xfilefan Mon 23-Sep-13 17:41:33

Herb doesnt cause psychosis and isnt addictive. Just saying. And plenty of homegrown doesnt go anywhere near crime problems. Dont want all herb smokers to be put in the same box here. Its actually scientifically proven to be less harmful to society than plenty of things like alcohol etc that are legal. Just standing up for those of us who are not loosers and use this plant for religious or medicinal reasons, were not all 'tragic weedies'. Id never smoke where my child could take in any smoke though, clearly, but neither would I pour alcohol down them.

CanadianJohn Mon 23-Sep-13 17:41:51

I hate to be a pedant liar, I actually love it but the original comment about SS didn't mention race:

"Yeah lets call some 25 year old textbook abiding Somalian ... mostly barely speak English!"

Ageist - yup.
Pettifogging - yup.
Refers to nationality - yup
Refers to language skills - yup.

Doesn't mention race at all.

dirtyface Mon 23-Sep-13 17:45:44

It's like the Daily Mail and Jim Davidson have spawned

sorry but PMSL :D

CanadianJohn Mon 23-Sep-13 17:45:52

* Oops, serves me right... I meant bureaucratic, not pettifogging. blush

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 17:46:22

I was trying to make a point about how unrelatable first line contacts in SS can be

passedgo Mon 23-Sep-13 17:46:47

Alexreid that's just arrogant. I am telling the truth based on experience, you may not want to hear it. Wealthier people in my area pay for private doctors and care.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 17:47:24

The Economist believes - for quantified financial and crime control reasons - that Cannabis should be legalised
www.economist.com/news/united-states/21586584-sensible-drug-policy-decision-federal-government-once-tokers-delight

I agree with them.

xfilefan Mon 23-Sep-13 17:50:16

I definitely agree it should be legal, its madness that its not. As Doc Martin once said... "Accident of history I suppose".....

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 17:53:49

There is plenty of evidence that skunk can cause psychosis and that it is addictive.

talkin i would agree with you that it should be legalised. But with lots of conditions. I think it should be illegal to smoke in public places and in.the presence of minors or whilst minors are in your care.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 17:59:13

hardboiled
I think it should be illegal to smoke in public places and in.the presence of minors or whilst minors are in your care.

which is fine, so long as one is consistent : do we apply the same rule to alcohol which renders many parents unable to handle themselves or their children on a daily basis?

No more Friday night wine if you have children in the house ?
Or is just Friday night spliff bad?

(I don't smoke by the way, I just dislike hypocrisy)

FobblyWoof Mon 23-Sep-13 18:02:20

Anyone who smokes weed around their kids is a cunt. Pure and simple. Anyone who smokes weed fullstop is a bit of a bellend tbh

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:02:25

Talkinpeace talks sense!

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:02:50

FobblyWoof - Do you have the same view of Alcohol then?

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 18:05:22

Oh CanadianJohn, i hate to be a pedant too, but you don't have to mention a specific race in order to make a remark that is considered to be racist. 'Black' isn't a race. However, 'black bastard' is a racist remark. HTH.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:10:27

Is it not racist to think that there is something wrong with being black? I wouldn't find it racist to be called a white bastard. The word bastard is the offence, not the description of the person. That's what it is, a description! If someone called me a blonde or white bitch i would be offended by the word bitch not the word white, cos i am!

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:11:41

why is it wrong and classed as racist to describe someone! The world has gone mad!

honeybunny14 Mon 23-Sep-13 18:12:20

Havent got a problem with it but i would be surprised to see a mum or dad doin it outside a school

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:14:02

The insult is the same

Chinese bitch
Bitch

The person just aimed it at the chinese person - Doesn't actually say anything more than that they think that person is a Chinese bitch.

If they are chinese what's the problem - You are not saying anything wrong with being chinese, just a description of where the person is from not an insult just a description

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 18:14:58

Allforone, i am not engaging with you any further because i thought i recognised you so had a wee peekette at your posting history to refresh my memory, and all became clear. However calling someone a blatant fibby wind up merchant on board is totally against the house rules, so i would never do that. Obviously.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 18:15:43

talkin i think it is wrong to be drunk and in charge of minors , yes. I would say that getting high is more comparable to being drunk than just having a glass of wine. Unless you smoke regularly then a single token on a spliff can leave you feeling completely out of it.

If a parent turned up drunk to collect their child whilst i am working i would call the duty social worker, just as i would if they were stoned.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:21:20

fibby wind up merchant? Like the title but not sure i have earned that! Haven't stated anything but opinions on here, and they are my true opinions!

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:22:46

I'm just bamboozeled why alcohol is acceptable and weed isn't when alcohol is FAR more damaging both physically and socially than weed ever will be!

ButterMyArse Mon 23-Sep-13 18:26:42

So drinking at 8.30am with kids in tow is ok? confused Isn't that what the thread's about?

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:27:14

Rocking up to the school gates with a spliff of can in the hand is not a good look, but you wouldn't report someone to SS for having a glass of wine in the evening, yet a spliff is looked on by some as the devil itself!

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:27:50

or

Sinful1 Mon 23-Sep-13 18:30:30

I don't mind what people take but drinking, smoking or taking anything while/before driving pisses me off no end. Drivers seem.determined to kill us bikers when.theyre sober let alone high or drunk.

I still do not understand why during they school run, when traffic is terrible and you have your DC in they car people decide to drive at their worst, todays idiots, have been lots on mobiles, one woman doing her make up while her daughter in they front seat was leaning over they back to hit her brother (or friend I guess) and they best I've seen in a while someone trying to eat a bloody kebab, where they he'll do you even get a kebab they time of they morning?

Tempted to start knocking on.thier window or just taking their wing mirrors off as I go past

rumtumtugger Mon 23-Sep-13 18:33:14

Allforone, why did you have a problem with being referred to as 'the white one' by your foster parents then? If you don't mind being called white.

allforoneandoneforall Mon 23-Sep-13 18:35:57

I didn't mind it, i was making a point that they didn't even know my name and that the same would not be tolerated vice versa (ps - vice versa chocs are back in da shops!)

Tailtwister Mon 23-Sep-13 18:44:45

YANBU. It's bad form at any time if you have children imo and that's coming from someone who used to smoke a lot and often before 8.30 (when I was a student)!

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 18:45:14

hardboiledpossum
Unless you smoke regularly then a single token on a spliff can leave you feeling completely out of it.
you seem incredibly well informed about the impact of different substances on different people's bloodstreams.

So do you think parents should be allowed wine with a family picnic in the park?
Cigarettes?
Prescription painkillers that leave them zonked?
Double espresso?
Red Bull?
Hash brownies?

you see cannabis (despite the tabloid hype) is mild compared with a lot of what is legal.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 18:54:32

OK, this is my first hand experience of people smoking skunk...I would have trouble spotting the difference between someone smoking skunk and someone in a psychotic episode..FACT.
If a parent was stood at the school gates chugging on whiskey bottle whatever....would that not be only antisocial, harmful to themselves and possibly those around them
These people smoking cannabis for much of the day may feel perfectly fit to drive though perhaps others may differ.
If you drink all day everyday you ahve a problem, but according to others you do not if you smoke weed, it being so harmless and all.
The sale of "harmless" weed is based on criminal gangs.
It is a gateway drug.
It dulls reactions and responses to others. Imagine having a dull unresponsive stoned parent, bit like a dependent user of any other substance

AvonCallingBarksdale Mon 23-Sep-13 18:57:07

Rocking up to the school gates with a spliff of can in the hand is not a good look, but you wouldn't report someone to SS for having a glass of wine in the evening, yet a spliff is looked on by some as the devil itself

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't expect someone to rock up at the school gate in the morning with wine either!

And the bitch/Chinese bitch example is skewed. The person's nationality is irrelevant to their shortcomings! They're not a bitch because they're Chinese, any more than they would be if they were French. It doesn't help the description, does it, other than to imply that them being Chinese is in some way connected to them being a bitch. ergo it is unnecessary to mention their nationality.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 18:57:14

A white wine spritzer? Same as skunk then?
It is not tabloid hype. I have worked with people using skunk and it is making not only their lives a misery but others around them.
Skunk is only one side of the issue, many other people use cannabis moderately. but to consider all cannabis as "mild" is simplistic. there are as many grey areas in this as exist with "legal" substances.

CanadianJohn Mon 23-Sep-13 18:57:48

Oh boy, ain't life fun. grin

A friend was criticized at work by referring to a co-worker as "the Chinese guy" - my friend didn't know the guy's name, how else was he to describe him?

Another friend was highly insulted by being referred to as an Afro-American. He is from Fiji, an awful long way from Africa.

I personally see "black", "white", etc as being descriptive. Don't know what people would call me... I'm sort of a pinky-white, but more tanned in the summer. I think most people describe me as "the old guy", if they refer to me at all.

Half of the kids I work with are "Chinese", but whether they are actually from China, I wouldn't know. The other half are "South Asian", covering India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.

BTW, the kids don't seem to have any problems with race, at least to a non-professional observer without an ax to grind.

Bodes well for the future.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 18:58:07

japonica
^The sale of "harmless" weed is based on criminal gangs.
It is a gateway drug.^
Which is why it should be legalised, regulated and taxed.
The vast bulk of the cannabis consumed in the UK is grown in the UK now - not like the good old days of hashish imported from Morocco and the Lebanon.
It would be easy to regulate and control.
MOST cannabis users fit it around getting on with their working lives.
MOST people who drink alcohol do exactly the same.

hardboiledpossum Mon 23-Sep-13 18:58:21

talkin i don't read any tabloids and i don't claim to have all the answers. I did smoke weed a bit in my teenage years and at uni, i am mid 20s, so not that long ago. I can tell you that the weed i came across was anything but mild.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 19:05:51

I have seen cases of illegal immigrants (trafficed) sat in houses tending a crop of cannabis plants.
I agrees, it should be legalised, no doubt about it. But can we not kid ourselves on any further that it is all lovely and hugs. cos it isn't that simple a picture to define.
Would the government legalise Skunk? There woiuld be controls over quality and strength as exist with alcohol. I doubt there could be a credible argument for Skunk and it would remain in the hands of those who would see it profitable enough to grow and sell illegally

landrover Mon 23-Sep-13 19:06:48

Ehhhhmmmm, I ve never heard of the expression "skin up" , I take it its not putting face cream on, but everybody here seems to know what it means!

AnaisHendricks Mon 23-Sep-13 19:15:33

NOW I know what piglet's posts up-thread mean. I thought she was posting on the wrong thread about face cream and until I read your post grin

Sinful1 Mon 23-Sep-13 19:32:18

"OK, this is my first hand experience of people smoking skunk...I would have trouble spotting the difference between someone smoking skunk and someone in a psychotic episode..FACT"

Guessing you don't have first hand experience of psychotic episodes then?

Someone stones, a little slow, kinda hard to converse with and a little out of it, clearly impaired but still aware of reality

psychotic episode, detached from reality unable to differentiate their internal delusions from true reality, clearly believing falsehoods to be true.
May be depressive, anxious, paranoid or violent in nature.

That's my first hand experience, which included last Friday night where my girlfriend had a "mild" episode which included flash backs to childhood abuse, screaming they house down breaking things, completely unaware of who I was, she's left some quite massive deep bleeding scratches over my face and neck. Fortunately they neighbours phoned they police thinking that I was beating her/attacking her, because I couldn't let her go long enough to phone them myself for both our safety.

Fortunately them police turning up snapped her out of it after a long chat with they frankly lovely officers she'd calmed down.enough and they agreed she didn't need to be commited and id stay to make sure she's ok.

There is a huge differences between pot and psychosis, lsd/shrooms would be closer as people may belive they hallucinations to be true but not pot

Wannabestepfordwife Mon 23-Sep-13 19:34:15

Yanbu I have no issue with people having a smoke in the evening at home but smoking it on the school run is wrong I would say the same about someone drinking alcohol

MymbleBaratheonBendsTheKnee Mon 23-Sep-13 19:46:43

Agreed I have no problem with it, but at 8.30 in the morning shock I occasionally indulge a little myself but would never do it in front of my kids.

I think it should be legal to grow it at home for personal consumption only. Of course that will never happen!

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 20:11:06

I think it should be legal to grow it at home for personal consumption only. Of course that will never happen
Read the link I posted to the Economist.
It will happen, within 5 years.
Cannabis has only been illegal in the UK for less than my lifetime anyway.

givemeaboost Mon 23-Sep-13 20:12:36

I have always said theres a big difference to drug use + drug abuse, the latter covering all aspects of irresponsible weed smoking eg in the car, around kids, on the school run etc.

Many many people smoke it (to the poster who said upthread theyre glad its not round their school-I bet there are parents at your dcs school who smoke it-often its the people you least expect in that situation) and still function fine and lead a normal life- just making the point here that getting baked on the school run is not the norm amongst weed smokers!!

ArtexMonkey Mon 23-Sep-13 20:29:39

Yes CJ, black and white are descriptive and not racist. I agree with you, although i find it interesting though that when allforone mentioned her black foster careers being racist against her by calling her 'the white girl' you didn't feel the need to explain kindly to her that they weren't being racist at all, merely descriptive. Did you miss that post of hers?

Also, ranting on and on about 'foreigners' who can't speak English and are shit at their jobs and going on about Muslims and Somalians and stinky jamaican food and how white people get a raw deal nowadays isn't quite the same thing as being merely descriptive though is it? It's a bit disingenuous to pretend it is.

MadeOfStarDust Mon 23-Sep-13 20:41:09

skinning up round here means putting on the birth control prior to sex..... you can imagine my confusion.... blush "Dads doing it on the school run" "rolling your own" "done so much in public"..... well I would be bloomin surprised!! shock

AnaisHendricks Mon 23-Sep-13 20:49:23

Ha hahahahahaha! That's even funnier than the moisturiser interpretation.

greenbananas Mon 23-Sep-13 21:01:15

I am finding this thread very strange. And I am not even stoned grin

OP, I think yanbu - and I speak as one who was sticking the skins together within half an hour of waking up for about 10 years blush I was always stoned during university lectures, don't know how I managed to graduate, and then was always slightly stoned at work (crappy temping jobs), although my work was adequate and I don't think anyone ever noticed.

I stopped smoking in the morning when I started working with children, and I stopped smoking altogether when I had children of my own.

Even if weed was harmless (and I know that it isn't), it's illegal at the moment, and that sends a really bad message to children. and I fail to see how you can be fully responsible and emotionally "there" when you are slightly stoned. Also agree with the person who said it is bad for the neighborhood as a whole to have weed smoked on the streets.

MymbleBaratheonBendsTheKnee Mon 23-Sep-13 21:10:13

Thanks TalkinPeace I'll have a read

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Mon 23-Sep-13 21:35:29

Yanbu.

PrincessScrumpy Mon 23-Sep-13 21:49:43

Wow, I clicked this thread to find out what skinned up meant. I've only ever seen one mum smoke in the school car park so definitely no weed where we live. I didn't realise people did weed after the age of 21. Truly shocked by some attitudes on here.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 22:09:56

SINFUL1 i have had clients delusional, paranoid and sectioned for their own safety.Violent aggressive, ants eating them inside out, people in p,ug sockets that come out to take over their bodies...shall I continue?
Is my experience not as good as yours? Being in a room with someone you know who has "disappeared" for want of a better term? Physically assaulted? Have I reached parity with you yet? THis isn't a pissing contest.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 22:21:32

japonica
but you forget that the people you encounter are those who are not coping with their substance usage .... a very small minority of the total number of users.

THe equivalent is to plan the layout of a Wetherspoons along the same lines as a high dependency alcoloholism clinic ...

most drinkers are not alcoholics
most smokers never have dealings with the medical profession

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 22:31:48

My arguement was about Skunk specifically. I happen to believe that this effect is not confined to people who's usage is out of control. These are just the ones who have come to seek help. There are those who's use is impacting their lives and those around them but have not come for help. just like the alcoholics drinking White Lightening and very happy to believe that there isn't a problem.
I( also want to know whether or not the criminal gangs who make serious money out of cannabis are going to happily turn over their earnings and living to the government? Don't know if anyone can answer that. I do believe in legalisation but i cannot see how skunk can be included.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 22:33:28

smokers are different from other groups in that they DO deal with Doctors for frequency of chest infections, bronchitis, heart disease, respitory complaints of many different tones, emphysema. Smokers clog up the medical system more than other groups. also see cannabis smokers.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 22:40:13

"skunk" - define please
compared to other types of cannabis currently available on the market?

Because as far as I can see "skunk" is just tabloid shorthand for UK grown grass ....

Sinful1 Mon 23-Sep-13 22:40:49

You said first hand stoned and psychotic where hard to distinguish that's not true you sound very much like your.confusing a mentally I'll person/someone who is psychotic and stoned with someone who is just stoned.

Plus you keep rabbiting on about "skunk" wanna give us a rough degree to what you mean by that, are you talking about specifically a high thc content or are you implying a different canaboid.devoid in other strains.

In your.mind is skunk a specific strain/breed or just anything green.

Cause.it's like.differentiating between whiskey an beer, you can get just as pissed off one. The other it just takes more

queenjellybelly Mon 23-Sep-13 23:13:39

Not read the whole thread so sorry If it's already been mentioned but aren't we missing a major point here? Using cannabis does carry certain health risks but so does alcohol and caffeine. The fact is that alcohol and caffeine are legal & cannabis is not. Smoking cannabis in front of children influences them to disregard the law. I'm not against a bit of healthy rebellion but teaching children that they can pick and choose which laws they want to abide by is surely not the way forward.

japonicabumsplatt Mon 23-Sep-13 23:21:41

Skunk is a hybrid of cannabis plants paticularly high thc content. It is like comparing for instance a spirit with a high alcohol volume to something that is not. There is also illegal stills (poteen, vodka) which can kill and have done so due to dirty still equipment or other substances being put into the liquid to fill it out.

I have worked with the mentally ill. I have worked with people who are psychotic and people experiencing psychosis induced by skunk use, I have also had clients sectioned in the state caused by persistent long term use of skunk, not just a blast off a bit of grass....I do know the difference. Please stop telling me I don't.

It is very hard to establish differences between strains of cannabis due to the given fact of its illegality. Anyone with a bit growing somewhere's crop will be different from someone elses as there is no standard set, something changing the legal status would rectify. Another reason to make it legal in my mind.

Skunk is not the workaday cannabis, it may be grown in the UK or in other european centres. It is nasty stuff. End of but I cannot see how it can be thrown in with milder forms of cannabis and still be OK

LovelyMarchHare Mon 23-Sep-13 23:40:20

Whether you think it should be legalised is irrelevant. As it stands at the moment it is illegal and therefore in a different category to alcohol, cigs etc. In buying it you are committing an offence and your 'tiny bit' each night means you are generally in possession of class B drugs.

Now you and anyone else is free to do what they like, including committing criminal offences. you may end up losing a well paid job as a result of a conviction which impacts on your children. This idea that people stoned at the school gates are freedom fighters is pathetic.

queenjellybelly Mon 23-Sep-13 23:42:28

Also to clarify, I am a substance misuse worker working within the criminal justice system. I see the effects of substance misuse on a daily basis and that includes the effects on families involved. The majority of my cases started smoking cannabis before developing issues with heroin, crack or other heavy end drugs. I've also seen far too many of my clients children grow up & follow the same pattern. I'm not saying that this happens in all cases or even that most cannabis smokers move on to other drugs but children can't always differentiate why it's ok to smoke cannabis but not heroin. Anyone who thinks children would be too young to know the difference between a cigarette and a spliff is naive. Most of my adult clients started using something by the time they were 13 & some were as young as 9. Shocking isn't it?

Morloth Mon 23-Sep-13 23:57:44

What different worlds people inhabit.

In my world to 'skin up' means wearing skins for running.

The thread title was confusing....

Smoking pot whilst on the school run is pathetic.

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 10:16:27

Question : What proportion of the cannabis grown in the UK is 'skunk'?
As whenever cannabis houses are busted the police desribe it as 'skunk'.
Please provide evidence that skunk is not the generic term for UK grown grass.
Botanically, 'skunk' is a variety not a hybrid.
What proportion of cannabis smoked in the UK is still hashish?

Those of you who work in the criminal justice system with drug related people.
You are the equivalent of doctors on a cirrhosis ward.
You never ever see the thousands and thousands of people whose habits do not interfere with holding down steady jobs.
Same as doctors rarely see those who drink in moderation.

passedgo Tue 24-Sep-13 11:47:31

This thread is nothing to do with decriminalization, it is about whether someone should be allowed to care for children while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

Presently, as far as I understand it, if something happened to their child they would be prosecuted for child neglect. Same as people who drink. Trouble is that the drip drip effect of exposing children to intoxicated adults is not legally accountable, so drunks can say 'look, nothing happened' and no prosecution can be made.

There does appear to be a loophole here. My guess is that drug users simply get done for possession and the child neglect factors are ignored.

My neighbour and her husband have a joint at the bottom of their garden every morning, before they head off to their jobs as high school teachers.

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 12:06:53

passedgo
What about people doing the morning school run at the end of a night shift while on comedown from Red Bull or multiple strong coffees ?

passedgo Tue 24-Sep-13 12:11:05

They could lose their jobs, probably deserve to as they don't seem to take their responsibility very seriously.

landrover Tue 24-Sep-13 12:31:15

Oh well, ive obviously led a sheltered life! Never heard of that expression, never seen anybody smoking it (i dont think, but i suppose i wouldnt know what it was!)
Theres another parallel world going on!!! shock

TheBigJessie Tue 24-Sep-13 12:50:19

Definitely too early.

Quite apart from the dependency issues suggested by someone needing it so soon after they get up, the school run? It's not really a winding down sort of time is it, like after the children's bed-time, when MN celebrates Wine O'clock.

You're negotiating rush-hour with small children! I think you need to be fully alert.

BurberryQ Tue 24-Sep-13 12:57:33

definitely too early and in the wrong place - wouldnt think much of someone sucking at a tin of beer on the school run either - time and a place and all that!
but you know plenty of 'tragic weedies' are perfectly successful in life and their chosen professions.

ShakeAndVac Tue 24-Sep-13 13:08:56

fgs there are worse things happening in the world hardbolied! ss wouldn't do anything about that!

Seriously?! You think it's OK to smoke drugs around kids while in the care of them first thing in a morning and on the way to school?! hmm
I love a glass of wine. Is it OK to have a glass of wine on getting up instead of my usual cup of tea? Or, if it's all about being on the move, how about I carry a can of Special Brew down the street with me and take surreptitious swigs?! hmm

Disclaimer - I'd NEVER do that obviously, grin but just pointing out what exactly is the difference?! Neither would ever be acceptable in any way, shape or form.

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 13:44:58

Shakeandvac
I utterly agree that driving/looking after children while under the influence of anything psychoactive needs to be avoided.
And Red Bull (and all the generic similar things) are much much stronger than people realise - as are a couple of strong coffees, or being sleep deprived.

Cannabis happens to be illegal (for now), but people who start the day with a small spliff are no more irresponsible than those who start it with an espresso and a cigarette. And there are many many more of them than most people realise.

givemeaboost Tue 24-Sep-13 13:56:33

shakeandvac Not at all, see earlier post- "I have always said theres a big difference to drug use + drug abuse, the latter covering all aspects of irresponsible weed smoking eg in the car, around kids, on the school run etc.

Many many people smoke it (to the poster who said upthread theyre glad its not round their school-I bet there are parents at your dcs school who smoke it-often its the people you least expect in that situation) and still function fine and lead a normal life- just making the point here that getting baked on the school run is not the norm amongst weed smokers!!

No Im definitely not saying its ok, it definitely isn't and is not done by the majority of weed smokers. as with anything its always the minority that let the side down.

talkingpeace I agree 100%

I would say alcohol does far far more damage- stoners are far far more likely to be capable of looking after their children than alcoholics. put it this way, I have never ever been incapable of taking care of my children but I know lots and lots who have whilst drunk- including putting their children at massive risk (passing out cold after a drink for eg)
IMO alcohol is a much bigger problem and much harder to sort out as its so addictive and people suffer withdrawal from it.

If having a spliff makes you a loser, then in my eyes so does a glass of alcohol biscuit

hardboiledpossum Tue 24-Sep-13 18:31:59

An expresso and fag is in no way comparable to smoking a joint, they do not alter your mind in the same way. It would be more comparable to glugging on spirits. If i knew someone was glugging on spirits on the school run i would also call ss.

givemeaboost Tue 24-Sep-13 19:34:57

So would I! again missed my point, that ss wont do anything about it. Ive reported pretty horrible abuse/neglect - with actual hard proof and after 3 wks they closed the caseshock

passedgo Tue 24-Sep-13 19:51:59

They may not do anything but anything reported will be recorded, it eventually builds a picture which helps protect children long term. Do keep reporting.

Talkinpeace you sound like a 19 year old hippy. Perhaps it's the name. Perhaps it's the weed making you regress. Cannabis doesn't compare to Red Bull. Child neglect is caused by neglect, not espresso.

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 19:57:11

Hardboiled passedgo : have you tried both .... so that you know of what you speak?

I'm still waiting to hear what percentage of the cannabis used in the UK is "skunk" as I've found no evidence that its other than tabloid headline for "not hashish"

And if tobacco does not alter ones mind and body, why do tobacco smokers have such trouble giving up, whereas most tokers grow out of it in their 20's ....

passedgo Tue 24-Sep-13 20:07:02

Talkin, cool it, you're unsettlin' the vibes man.

<giggle>

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 20:10:06

<snigger, giggle, gets munchies>

Namechangesforthehardstuff Tue 24-Sep-13 20:15:27

Don't know how anyone can be,so fucking dense they don't understand why 'black bitch' is racist. Genuinely shock

Anyone who thinks the 'black' bit is just 'descriptive' should probably not be using the internet in case their teeny tiny brain capacity gets overloaded and forgets to do something important like breathing.

hardboiledpossum Tue 24-Sep-13 20:16:13

Yes talkin i have tried both, on many occasions. I have no idea of the official percentage, i can give you my personal experience though and i would say around 80% if the cannabis i come across is skunk. This would be representative of the circles i move in, i imagine if hung out with old hippies hash and weed would be more common. Hash is still a lot stronger than a fag and expresso.

hardboiledpossum Tue 24-Sep-13 20:18:19

Namechanges, you are 100% right, i was shocked that anyone would believe different.

FunnysInLaJardin Tue 24-Sep-13 20:32:04

wow, the parents at the DC's school don't smoke normal fags outside school never mind weed. I would be quite shock to see a B&H tbh. We are all terribly MC and smoke in secret!

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 20:36:35

Very few of my old hippy friends still smoke cigarettes. Nasty smelly expensive things!

MissBetseyTrotwood Tue 24-Sep-13 20:48:09

They've skinned up by the time they get to my DSs' school (but not managed to get dressed). And light it up as they leave the school gates.

We are moving.

FunnysInLaJardin Tue 24-Sep-13 20:55:23

blimey, I live a sheltered life. Most of the parents at our school turn up in running stuff ready for their post drop off 5K! Not me, I have to work, but still no fags, spliff or wine round our parts

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 20:57:51

Don't forget the meeja types who still have a penchant for Columbian marching powder - but probably not before lunch wink

MsVestibule Tue 24-Sep-13 20:59:04

Man alive, I lead a sheltered life! I have never seen anybody 'skin up' (never heard that expression before, either) although TBF, I've never even smelt cannabis, so wouldn't know the difference between that an a tobacco roll up. They'd be the talk of the playground where I live!

But I'd be just as shock if somebody walked their child to school swigging from a can of lager, so not particularly a legal vs. illegal thing.

hardboiledpossum Tue 24-Sep-13 21:06:29

I am very glad i live in an area where this would not happen.

saggyhairyarse Tue 24-Sep-13 21:08:24

I've not smelt it on the school run but have smelt it whilst generally out and about. I used to smoke it, before children, and have the occasional smoke but VERY occasionally and not with the kids about. Obviously I don't think it is appropriate on the school run but its not sut weed is it, in many areas khat usage is rife and that's not good either.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 24-Sep-13 21:24:38

I think it is wrong to smoke it in front of dc but only because it is illegal. When it was still decriminalised, I didn't see a problem.
If they know what it is perhaps its not such a good idea.
You can smell it all over our street, its a typical tree lined professional street with solicitors, grammar school teachers, retired civil servants grin

givemeaboost Tue 24-Sep-13 21:31:44

^^there we are, as I said, its often the ones you'd least expect!! Only a select few people out of my friends know I smoke it. Its not something most people broadcast!

morethanpotatoprints Tue 24-Sep-13 21:35:13

Oh and of course us. but I'm quite often not out of bed at 8.30 and prefer to relax and chill after 9pm

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 21:39:16

hardboiled
there are certain vehy posh suburbs of saith west lundun that REEK on a Saturday evening ....
please do not make the mistake of thinking that only poor people like cannabis with their Pinot Grigio

but they rarely come into contact with the legal authorities so are ignored by policy makers

hardboiledpossum Tue 24-Sep-13 21:57:13

My part if sw London certainly doesn't, Im sure some people round here have the occasional spliff but i have never smelt it walking down the street. When i lived in clapham and brixton i would regularly smell it when out and about.

hardboiledpossum I live in a relatively affluent area of West Lundun, I certainly smell it once or twice a week when out and about.

landrover Theres another parallel world going on!!! shock

The stoned parents on a school run probably look around and think this too. grin

passedgo Wed 25-Sep-13 01:55:36

I think we need a new search category on Rightmove, order list by drug use.

Red Bull
Espresso
Cocaine
Weed
Khat
Crack
Wine
Lager

Or they could put it on the Ofsted so we can choose the most suitable school for our children.

AngryBeaver Wed 25-Sep-13 03:00:02

I was a full time pot smoker up until I fell pregnant with first d&c, then stopped cod turkey.

I couldn't imagine ever thinking it was ok to do this infront of kids.

Can't believe people think that it's ok for parents on the school run to be chongin'?

If they think it's ok to do this in public (no care/fear of judgement)
WHAT do they do behind closed doors??

Imagine sending your children to school smelling of herb...WRONG!

AngryBeaver Wed 25-Sep-13 03:03:13

Ps would take me 10 seconds to skin up, fwiw, so wouldn't take much time to prepare!
However, the lat time I built one was 4 years ago, IN Amsterdam IN a cafe, with NO children shock

TheBigJessie Wed 25-Sep-13 10:04:56

I don't actually drink coffee, red bull, alcohol or smoke any form of cannabis or tobacco. This either means I'm an impartial judge, or speaking ignorant nonsense.

<Big Brother voice> you decide.

However, from extensive observation (family, flatmates, etc), I would say the following affect judgment and behaviour, and I would not allow someone to look after my children while under their influence:
Alcohol,
Cannabis.

My only concerns about cigarettes are the second- and third-hand smoke. My mother-in-law supervises my children while highly-caffeinated, shortly after having had a fag (outside) frequently. grin

I cannot, in good conscience, make any comments whatsoever about Red Bull, because I haven't had the chance to live with several people who drank it, so I have hardly any anecdata.

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