To think Godfrey Bloom was put on Earth to remind women that we still need feminism?

(79 Posts)
BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 18:07:27
AnyFucker Fri 20-Sep-13 18:09:00

Yup

Fucking halfwit

That shower have a very thin veneer of humanity

kim147 Fri 20-Sep-13 18:15:56

He is my MEP. When is the next election?

80sMum Fri 20-Sep-13 18:15:57

But I agree that what the reporter said about "black faces" was a racist comment. Why should it matter what colour people's faces are??

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 18:33:45

It shouldn't matter what colour people's faces are, but it does. Try telling anyone who has ever been attacked because they had the wrong colour face that it doesn't matter.

If you don't have any black people on any of your publicity material, it gives a very good idea of where you think black people fit in your party.

Similarly with women, people with disabilities etc.

The lack of inclusion of them, is an indicator that you're not that interested in addressing the specific issues that face them which don't face people who are not women, disabled, black etc. Which means you're either content with their marginalisation in society or you refuse to acknowledge it. So in that context it's absolutely a valid question IMO.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 20-Sep-13 18:36:22

yes

and to destroy Nigel Farage's party and how i have laughed and laughed

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 18:42:53

He may also have been put here purely for our entertainment of course, that is also a possibility.

sashh Fri 20-Sep-13 19:45:01

He may also have been put here purely for our entertainment of course, that is also a possibility.

But he isn't funny

WetAugust Fri 20-Sep-13 19:47:00

But he's served his purpose. He's got people talking about everything except what Farage actually said today at his party conference.

MadBusLady Fri 20-Sep-13 19:51:47

I think the word he was grasping for was actually slattern, because slut makes no sense. But what a massive weirdo he is in that interview. This is the trouble with politicians, not so much that they have objectionable views (though plenty do) but there are way too many that you'd just cross the street to avoid if you knew them IRL. It's a shame for the normal ones.

Stravy Fri 20-Sep-13 19:52:47

But he's served his purpose. He's got people talking about everything except what Farage actually said today at his party conference.

Like that time Tony Blair got a bollocking from the relative of a cancer patient outside a hospital and John Prescott was sent out to punch a member of the public in the face.

I wish Michael Crick had dealt with the racist accusations a bit better but it was probably very difficult to debate the problems of denying the experiences of an oppressed group whist watching somebody go completely crackers right in from of you.

Stravy Fri 20-Sep-13 19:54:08

Slut used to mean slattern. My Grandma used to say it all the time "I've been such a slut today" She would've been about 120 now though and language evolves.

FayeKorgasm Fri 20-Sep-13 19:57:45

What a wanker hmm

kim147 Fri 20-Sep-13 19:59:29
Scarletohello Fri 20-Sep-13 20:00:27

My dad used to call my mum a slut. Not cos she slept around but cos she didn't keep the house pristine. Of course he never did any housework. Wanker. I think this is the context in which this disgustingly arrogant and misogynistic excuse for a man meant it. Hate UKIP. and everything they stand for. Scared about their popularity. Why are people so narrow minded and bigoted..,?

MadBusLady Fri 20-Sep-13 20:02:59

According to the Free Dictionary it still does mean that. Every day's a school day.

NichyNoo Fri 20-Sep-13 20:05:20

My dad called me a slut once when I was about 12 because I had dirty fingernails.

UKIP are dangerous party. They are predicted to do really well in next year's European election because people fall for the anti-EU propaganda and don't actually read their manifesto. They would abolish maternity leave for women.

I work in EU politics and they refuse to vote in the Parliament so do not represent their constituents at all. They are a wasted vote. Yet they still claim all the expenses they are allowed to.

Thymeandthymeagain Fri 20-Sep-13 20:10:27

What is the difference between a slut and a slag? confused

Dobbiesmum Fri 20-Sep-13 20:16:53

Older generations round here still use the word to mean a bad housekeeper and it's filtered down a little. It's a bit strange considering we're a commuter town on the main route between 2 major cities on one hand but so deep in the Pennines a lot of older people still speak in Lancashire Dialect. This is why when I can be bothered to check on FB I expect to find at least a few friends wondering why this particular thing is what has finally got the stupid git into trouble when Farage has so much stupidity to choose from...

MadBusLady Fri 20-Sep-13 20:19:59

Yeah I do wish they'd call out UKIP on the serious stuff. A lot of headline politics news is so fluffy.

Stravy Fri 20-Sep-13 20:20:12

I guess slag is worthless, as in slag heap

DameFanny Fri 20-Sep-13 20:23:16

Yabu for assuming some sort of fatalist design.

Why the fuck do ukip get do much airtime anyway? They're only the bnp in suits and ties.

MadBusLady Fri 20-Sep-13 20:23:45

Actually a woman does try to make the point about the slut/slag shift in meaning in that clip in a way that is plainly lost on both the men.

Saffyz Fri 20-Sep-13 20:27:15

YANBU

There's a lot of joviality in UKIP. This is a convenient way of detracting from the underlying unpleasantness of what they stand for.

Greythorne Fri 20-Sep-13 20:28:35

I agree that some older people up north like my mum still use slut to mean a woman who does not keep her house clean and tidy.

Stravy Fri 20-Sep-13 20:32:08

DameFanny because they have 12% in the polls

DameFanny Fri 20-Sep-13 20:33:39

The greens have an actual MP Stravy - don't see them on every other Question Time

Saffyz Fri 20-Sep-13 20:35:55

Sometimes women on here joke that they are "slatterns" if they haven't kept up Stepford-Wife immaculateness in their home that day. Fine if they're saying it about themselves and it's clearly ridiculous. Not fine having a man effectively saying a woman's place is behind the fridge and using insulting words into the bargain.

Some other groups of people will reclaim rude/insulting words about themselves in an ironic type of way. That doesn't make it fine for other people who aren't in that group to use the word in the negative way it was originally meant.

Stravy Fri 20-Sep-13 20:40:37

Yes, that's true. UKIP have MEPs though. UKIPs rise has been scarily meteoric, a bit like the Nazis in the '30s. I would be interested to see how many people they have standing in the next General election. I've never lived anywhere with a Green Party candidate in any election but there is always a UKIP person. I think that may be fairly representative, especially in the North and Midlands where they are taking votes from both Con and Labour.

Dobbiesmum Fri 20-Sep-13 20:50:12

The problem with UKIP is that if you listen to them they say very sensible things intertwined with scary shit. I listened to Farage today on the news and found myself being almost lulled into nodding in agreement with some of the things he said until I actually listened to everything, and I'm a pretty left wing tending towards Green in my political beliefs.

Dobbiesmum Fri 20-Sep-13 20:52:04

Having said that I was actually dozing off with the toddler at the time...

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 21:17:40

LOL it's just occurred to me that UKIP members think Slutwalk are a bunch of mopless women making some sort of protest about domestic chores.

MadBusLady Fri 20-Sep-13 21:37:08

grin

ExcuseTypos Fri 20-Sep-13 21:43:26

He's the man who referred to 'Bongo Bongo' land last month.

He's a grade A twat.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Fri 20-Sep-13 21:58:16

He's such an idiot.

But that's what some people are looking for in their politicians, so what can you do? hmm Democracy in the world of the Daily Mail.

kim147 Fri 20-Sep-13 21:59:26

I wonder what the Daily Mail, well known supporter of women's rights. will think?

babybarrister Fri 20-Sep-13 22:12:12

Sorry but I thought the slut joke was hilarious - of course it was meant as a double entendre

Haven't and wouldn't vote for BNP and think that they are racists in general but I really cannot see the problem with that joke. I live in London and am not in my eighties and knew what the original meaning of slut was ..

kim147 Fri 20-Sep-13 22:13:23

You mean UKIP, not BNP?

PatPig Fri 20-Sep-13 22:13:49
Viviennemary Fri 20-Sep-13 22:19:04

It's a ridiculous fuss about nothing. It was a joke about messiness.

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 22:24:13

Um, the double entendre thing is neither here nor there.

If he meant slut as in the messy woman meaning of the word, it's still sexist. It's tapping into the idea that it's women's job to keep the place clean, while men get on with doing important things like ruling the country.

babybarrister Fri 20-Sep-13 22:26:40

It was a joke though .....!!

Permanentlyexhausted Fri 20-Sep-13 22:27:33

Possibly the most cringe-worthy part of that clip is the self-satisfied woman defending Godfrey Bloom by suggesting that the reporter in particular, and the media in general, have failed to differentiate between the words slut and slag because of their lack of a proper grammar school education. No doubt she is one of those who laughed heartily at his hilarious joke - I have a mental picture of her chortling "Oh, Godfrey! You're such a card". She has failed to recognise that it is, and has always been, a derogatory term.

Still, never mind, I'm sure Godfrey was having a gay old time anyway.

kim147 Fri 20-Sep-13 22:28:59

In the meeting, he was being challenged on his comments about women "not cleaning behind the fridge". Two women said they did not clean behind the fridge and he called them "sluts".

He's just a sexist man who ironically sits on the gender and equality committee. He expects women to be in the house doing the housework.

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 22:30:35

Ah yes, it being a joke excuses any level of sexism, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia etc.

That's why UKIP are so jovial, as Saffiz remarked.

BasilBabyEater Fri 20-Sep-13 22:31:44

It works for Boris as well doesn't it? That joviality, that bonhomie - you can be as rabid as you like as long as you're charming and hail fellow well-met.

namechangesforthehardstuff Fri 20-Sep-13 22:38:08

'it was a joke though'.... And therefore OK?

AdventureTed Fri 20-Sep-13 23:11:09

The BBC news coverage of the 'slut' remark ruining Farage's party conference looked positively gleeful. By being so obviously biased against UKIP, they will make people feel sorry for Farage.

Most people don't like to see bullying, and so might feel a natural instinct to protect the 'underdog'. They seemed to gloatingly portray him in a way akin to a boy who's long awaited birthday party had been ruined. I think it could backfire.

WetAugust Fri 20-Sep-13 23:14:27

I posted this on the similar thread that's running on In the News.

You said the BBC looked gleeful. The Telegraph are also having a very personal pop at Farage by printing this photo

Farage photo

I think the Press are being rather stupid as this will backfire.

PatPig Fri 20-Sep-13 23:38:42

Yes they are playing the persecuted line quite well, just check C4's coverage

www.channel4.com/news/ukips-godfrey-bloom-biffs-michael-crick

Slutbucket Fri 20-Sep-13 23:57:23

I think this clip is hilarious!! He really shouldn't have any say in the lives of millions of people but at least he's given us a laugh!!! And for the record slut is a term of endearment up my way!!

Saffyz Fri 20-Sep-13 23:57:30

So Godfrey Bloom hit Michael Crick over the head with a conference guide, just for asking a simple question. It's not long ago that Nigel Farage hung up during a radio interview, faced with some mildly searching questions, is it?

UKIP don't have a good track record if any journalist asks them a slightly provocative question (as they do to numerous interviewees and politicians). Despite all the blustering bonhomie, they are lightweights and can't really cope with the serious questions. I'd love to let Paxman loose on them grin

Lazyjaney Sat 21-Sep-13 00:46:13

Strictly he's right, for people his age slut meant something more like slatternly, but it's changed meaning and he hasn't been sharp enough to pick that up, and even if he meant slatternly and was trying to be funny, you just cant take risks of being misunderstood like that when you're under huge (largely hostile) media gaze.

But......

The media are now over egging it and IMO it'll rebound against them. People are fed up with main party identikit politicos, so characters - even such as he - are quite attractive to many.

Stravy Sat 21-Sep-13 00:47:38

Even with the old meaning, it's still a comment designed to put women in their place.

MmmmWhiteWine Sat 21-Sep-13 01:21:23

I agree he's probably an arse but you slut can mean someone whose housework leaves a bit to be desired. Which, given the context, is probably what he meant...

joanofarchitrave Sat 21-Sep-13 01:33:15

It was a funny joke. He shouldn't have been chopped for it.

He should have been chopped for 'bongo-bongo land' months ago. That wasn't a joke.

Try the foaming tsunami of bile that Nige actually produced for his keynote speech as leader of the party. Which gets, God help us, serious reporting as the profile of an actual party or something.

Saffyz Sat 21-Sep-13 09:28:49

> slut can mean someone whose housework leaves a bit to be desired

I don't suppose he'd have made the same comment if men in the room said they didn't clean behind the fridge.

kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 09:30:43

As a UKIP guy said today, he needs to remember he's not Sid James.

But I think a lot of UKIP followers have some admiration for him. Which says a lot about UKIP.

kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 09:31:25

I think slut is gender specific when it comes to someone whose housework is left undone.

babybarrister Sat 21-Sep-13 10:35:15

Surely the context is important though - he said it in front of a room full of intelligent powerful women NOT behind their backs to a room of old men.... Of course the bongo bongo land comment was NEVER said in front of a room of African people - for me that is a crucial difference.

Yes I thought it was funny and frankly that he knew it was ridiculous when he said it - that it a part of comedy isn't it?

I am a feminist - I am also an independent person who does not need to be told I should be offended or I cannot find something funny - it was funny

Pagwatch Sat 21-Sep-13 10:48:10

I can't get worked up about slut in a cleaning context. Mu mum used to make jokes -''gosh, it's nine o'clock and I still haven't cleared the table - a terrible slut I am'
They were talking about cleaning [meh]

But he is quite odious so I am not upset about his demise.

DalePie Sat 21-Sep-13 10:53:21

Well apparently your all sl&ts Lmao!

UKIP are basically another right wing party. They come along, "tell it like it is" and typically one UK newspaper (DM or Express) falls in love with them. If they are lucky they win a seat at the GM or EU elections and the media starts to focus on them.

This focus of course, is when the media discovers all sorts of nasties: racism, holocaust denial, sexism, homophobia and belief in Christian science over research.

I guess this recent outburst is an example of the media discovering Godfrey Bloom is sexist. I will be very surprised if UKIP are anything but a bit of a joke come the next GE.

ohmymimi Sat 21-Sep-13 12:24:06

He's what I would call a useful nob. Thoroughly peed off good old Nige and dropped a big, fat smelly one on the Kippers' conference. Score.

Mooskit Sat 21-Sep-13 22:28:00

Lighten up folks... It was a lighthearted, off the cuff remark, and a woman who was a poor housekeeper, used to be called a slut. It meant a slattern not a 'loose woman' as it seems to mean today. I am amazed at how unforgiving some people seem to be today. There must be some slack cut to an older generation who perhaps dont have all the political correct phrases and opinions that the young generation have,
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namechangesforthehardstuff Sat 21-Sep-13 22:37:59

He said women who don't clean behind the fridge are sluts and that's therefore OK? And not sexist? Because he just meant they should be doing the housework properly?

Ummmnmm.

Did someone change the way the English language works while I wasn't looking or something?

They've clearly changed the meaning of 'funny'.

kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 22:51:30

"There must be some slack cut to an older generation who perhaps dont have all the political correct phrases and opinions that the young generation have,"

It's kind of ironic he sits on the gender equality committee in the European Parliament.

Ffs! Why is it a womens fucking responsibilty to clean behind the fucking fridge.
The fact of the matter is, that it isn't.
We did have a feminist movement, didn't we? It wasn't just a figment of my imagination?
I see nothing funny in women being referred to by derogatory terms, no matter what the context.

Oh god kim tell me you're kidding? He doesn't does he??

Tavv Sat 21-Sep-13 23:00:34

> he sits on the gender equality committee in the European Parliament.

shock

kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 23:01:08

Gender rights and equalities committee sad

Dear god.. there is no hope is there?

kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 23:02:12
kim147 Sat 21-Sep-13 23:08:27

From his blog:

"Godfrey is well known for his forthright views in support of business women. His popularity with them is in an inverse ratio to that of the women’s political class who represent no one but themselves.

He is totally against the idea of Gender Quotas, he believes they are patronising to women and believes that women can get to the very top of businesses, as shown by The Body Shop and WH Smith, on merit and where trust and faith is shown towards them by their colleagues. He points to his own party, UKIP, where the party have achieved three very successful by-election results, all with female candidates.

Godfrey sits on the 'Gender Rights and Equalities Committee' (FFEM) within the European Parliament. "

www.godfreybloommep.com/#/womens-rights/4578057728

He reminds me of someone else who "says it like it is" on This Morning. I wonder what his views on child names and birthday parties are?

timidviper Sat 21-Sep-13 23:13:41

I think this man made a very ill-judged poor joke and while I really don't like UKIP, I am becoming concerned at the biased way the media are covering them. The news tonight was comparing their conference to a Carry On convention and asking members of the public very leading questions then broadcasting their answers as if that were fact. If I need an opinion I'd prefer it to be from an "expert" rather than an average joe who may well know nothing.

I would like the media to give me the true facts and let me make up my own mind about which parties are disgusting. I am appalled at the standard of coverage on UKIP despite my dislike of all they stand for.

BasilBabyEater Sun 22-Sep-13 07:58:59

I think it's a bit ageist to assume old people are bigots tbh. wink

ExcuseTypos Sun 22-Sep-13 09:23:54

Timid, what with him calling a group of women sluts, then hitting a reporter on the head, the reporting was bound to be a bizarre.
Things like that don't happen everyday in the political world.

I also think his age isn't an excuse. Would it have been ok for him to use the P or N word because 'old people did in the past'?

fancyanother Sun 22-Sep-13 09:33:26

But didn't the woman confront him because of a previous comment of his that women shouldn't have a political opinion until they had cleaned behind the fridge? That, in my opinion should have been a sacking offence far, far earlier. The fact that it wasn't says more about UKIP than this! ( but then again, I haven't cleaned behind the fridge...)

Tavv Sun 22-Sep-13 10:52:06

If UKIP don't want bizarre reports written about them, they could always stop having bizarre opinions and doing bizarre things.

KarenRChenard Mon 23-Sep-13 01:36:19

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