...to really dislike the things that Shona Sibary writes

(100 Posts)
mynameismskane Thu 19-Sep-13 11:35:55

Her latest 'effort'

It is NOT about the fact her 4 year old has started school, if I had had an August baby I would have probably sent them to school too. It's her smug writing - and the fact that in an earlier article she spoke about giving her kids medication when they go on a plane to knock them out.

Really don't like the way she writes about things.

mynameismskane Thu 19-Sep-13 11:38:10

Sorry about the Daily Mail link!

mynameismskane Thu 19-Sep-13 11:48:02

My thread is not showing in aibu?!

She makes me heave

scrummummy Thu 19-Sep-13 11:53:56

oh I've just started a thread about her latest in chat.

QueenArseClangers Fri 20-Sep-13 09:55:11

There was one MNetter who worked with her at a national publication and said she was a vile colleague.
She's a shitbitch child hitting twatbag. Fact.

Me too. I know these DM articles are meant to get everyone fuming, but I don't understand how she can sell out her family so much.

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 20-Sep-13 10:03:22

I read that it absolutely disgusted me in so many levels. Why are social services not involved? Even if only 30% of what she writes is true, the fact she's putting all this shite out there about her poor children is potentially damaging.

IceCreamForCrow Fri 20-Sep-13 10:03:53

She's awful. I wonder sometimes where the DM find their writers. They never seem to hail from planet Earth. Why her (and not forgetting Lovely Liv Jones) would want to put themselves/their families in the spotlight by writing such provocative tosh is baffling.

Maybe they're nothing like it in rl and just have a DM persona they tap into for work purposesconfused

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 20-Sep-13 10:03:58

Sorry, my first sentence there was very garbled.

oldgrandmama Fri 20-Sep-13 10:18:19

Gosh, I cringe at what she writes. Her poor children - she writes not just jaw-droppingly awful stuff about them and her husband, but puhlishes photos too. Of course, the Daily Mail loves this sort of drivel, real 'car crash' journalism, because every time someone clicks onto her latest witterings, the DM can crow to its advertisers about their market penetration or whatever ... same goes for Samantha Brick, Liz Jones. So long as we continue reading this stuff, the DM will encourage them to outrage us!

As for Sibary, personally, I consider it actually abusive to use her poor kids the way she does. I must declare an interest - all my working life, I was a journalist, including a women's page editor for much of the time. I would NEVER have used my family as newspaper 'fodder' and nor would the editor of my newspaper group have permitted it.

I worry at what the Sibary kids must go through at school, with their mother blatantly using them so much. As for her long-suffering husband, I notice that in recent articles, his photograph no longer appears. Pity the DM still allows Sibary to garnish her awful articles with photos of her unfortunate children.

VulvaVoom Fri 20-Sep-13 10:18:27

She's often against that Katie Hopkins on various issues This morning debates but is as much of an attention grabbing idiot!

I loathe these women who seem to sit at home desperately trying to think of the next controversial headline grabbing topic so they can pout next to a sad looking DC in the DM.

And I know I'll sound like a right cow now as well but isn't her face a bit odd??

Tryharder Fri 20-Sep-13 10:26:20

I quite like Shona. smile

And yes Vulva, her face is not conventionally pretty but she, Shona, is the first to say it.

Her articles are designed to provoke discussion and controversy and that is indeed what they do!

Remotecontrolduck Fri 20-Sep-13 10:27:09

She doesn't actually appear to like her children does she? She writes some particularly horrible things about her eldest daughter actually, criticising how she dresses and acts etc. Poor girl should tell her to do one.

Pinkpinot Fri 20-Sep-13 10:36:19

Who is she?
Sounds awful

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa Fri 20-Sep-13 10:36:24

Is that you Shona? ^

AlannaPartridge Fri 20-Sep-13 10:40:25

I can't stand her. I. Just. Can't. Stand. Her.

I get that we're supposed to hate her, that the DM do this deliberately because they know that we click on stuff/people we hate so we can hate them a bit more....but her willingness to sell out her entire family week after week disgusts me.

She's loathsome angry

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 20-Sep-13 10:51:53

I do wonder why anyone would have children just to prostitute them in such a humiliating way.

That article made me feel sad....

tobiasfunke Fri 20-Sep-13 11:00:22

The picture of her four year old in her school uniform with the dummy was just really sadl. Not because the 4 year old had a dummy but just pimping your kids out like that in a national newspaper to make money -it's shameful.

guiltyconscience Fri 20-Sep-13 11:01:36

Oh bolloxs another fucking dm bastard woman writer designed to keep us enraged and responding to their articles . It's all shit ffs isn't it obvious it's just a ploy to keep us on talking about them. The dm are esp bad about this, bastards .They give us woman writer after woman writer who all have a 'thing' that really fucking annoys/upsets us' normal' women, betcha any money they meet every week over lunch ,topic of convo, what can we say this week to get ourselves noticed.

squoosh Fri 20-Sep-13 11:08:51

Exactly tobiasfunke, she pimps her kids out for her own gain. Print what controversial drivel you want love but don't use your young children and their lives as props. Mercenary in the extreme.

WoTmania Fri 20-Sep-13 11:10:42

YANBU - she's awful.

TheRunawayTrain Fri 20-Sep-13 11:12:38

I can't stand her. For a start, I wouldn't ever do most of the things she does. And I couldn't do that to my children- stories and faces out for the world to see.

lemonmuffin Fri 20-Sep-13 11:39:06

I think she's seen the success that Liz Jones and Samantha Brick have had in parading all of their problems and neuroses across the media and thought 'I want some of that'.

And she's using her kids to do it. Not good. No doubt she gets well paid for it though.

BeCool Fri 20-Sep-13 11:42:48

I find these kind of articles unreadable & avoid them like the plague.

I just read the first couple of paragraphs of the linked article and was simply overwhelmed with thoughts of "I simply don't give a crap!"


Blissx Fri 20-Sep-13 11:50:33

Her children pretty much have their heads screwed on, surprisingly. Her eldest daughter wrote a follow up article to one written about how she Shona hits her children and the daughter wrote how it humiliated her etc. Made me cry that articlee did.
Proves that this woman is not making stuff up which I find all the more tragic. However, she doesn't care as online traffic, even if negative, is worth a lot of money to her. Look at Samantha Brick...

JCDenton Fri 20-Sep-13 12:01:24

Do you have a link to her daughter's article? I'd be very interested in reading it.

Remotecontrolduck Fri 20-Sep-13 12:23:12

here JCDenton

Hitting a 14 year old is just beyond disgraceful in my opinion. I don't like smacking, but can see that it can have its place with very young children.

Total lack of respect to hit her, she sounds like a reasonably measured girl who could be reasoned with and punished for any bad behaviour in a more appropriate way. I'm pretty sure one day the DD will snap and thump her back!

sleepyhead Fri 20-Sep-13 12:27:39

And when she does, Shona Sibary will write an article in the Daily Mail about living in a household where you are in fear of your abusive child.

CairngormsClydesdale Fri 20-Sep-13 12:28:53

OP, did you know that if you go to your local library you will find works which you don't like? My advice:
1) Don't read them
2) Don't bother telling us what you don't like - we don't give a shit.


lemonmuffin Fri 20-Sep-13 12:34:58

All these women seem to describe themselves as 'freelance writers' though.

You want to be a writer? that's fine, find something interesting to write about then.

If you can only write about the crap way you treat your children and your husband, that's a shit job and it's not going to last very long love.

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 20-Sep-13 12:36:00

I don't know anything about her other articles. On its own, I don't have a problem with most of what she said in this one. Not thrilled with the photo, though.

diddl Fri 20-Sep-13 12:38:53

I thought that most of it was made up-as with LJ, SB...

But Cairngorms we don't give a shit that you don't give a shit! I suppose the only thing for it is for everyone to stop writing things in case someone who claims not to be interested accidentally reads it.

OP I agree that (wording this carefully so as to avoid making a personal attack) Sibary's articles make her look like a bitchy cuntbucket.

ohmymimi Fri 20-Sep-13 12:42:45

Don't read the DM, don't read or listen to the deliberately provocative tosh the likes of Jones/Brick/Hopkins/Sibary spew, keep healthy blood-pressure level - as that ruddy meercat says "simples".

mysticminstrel Fri 20-Sep-13 12:43:25

She's talking out of her arse.

Saying that people only send their August-borns to reception because they want them out of their hair or because they're just competitive.

I fall into neither category but my August born went because SHE WOULD HAVE MISSED THE WHOLE OF RECEPTION AND HAD TO GO STRAIGHT INTO YEAR ONE if I had kept her home until she was five.


Idespair Fri 20-Sep-13 12:44:47

She's a paid troll. Horrible. Disgusting to make that 4yo pose with a sad face and a dummy in her uniform. Bet the school those kids attend is terrified of her, wondering what the hell she'll write next.

TheHammaconda Fri 20-Sep-13 12:52:35

Do you think she pitches this drivel herself to the DM or do they approach her with the ideas?

squoosh Fri 20-Sep-13 13:01:24

I'm sure she pitches it herself, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of these 'writers' offering themselves up on a plate. It seems as though no aspect of family life is out of bounds and for every one that gets published she probably offers two that are rejected.

It doesn't even pay that much, probably £1000 per published article.

Saffyz Fri 20-Sep-13 13:04:50

I find her articles smug and self-righteous. She doesn't seem connected to the real world at all.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 13:28:34

£1000 an article isn't too bad though. She seems to do one every couple of weeks, plus her rent a gob slots on daytime TV she's making herself a nice income, especially as her articles involve zero research and are pretty badly written. Can't take more than an hour or so to write. Easy money.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans Fri 20-Sep-13 13:39:56

Liz Jones said at last year's Blogfest that she wished she'd never started writing that stuff, but now she was stuck with it.

If my mother had plastered me all over the DM (or any other paper) I'd never have spoken to her about anything. Why would you?

squoosh Fri 20-Sep-13 13:41:07

Yeah it's easy money, but I meant £1000 isn't much considering she's selling her kids privacy.

(not that that should have a price obviously!)

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 13:48:11

Everything has a price and I guess whatever she earns is hers. It's horrible though. I wouldn't write such drivel about my children for £1000 but she obviously thinks she is on to something. The Fail is the most irresponsible newspaper out there, and I think they and Sibary are well suited to each other. She's horrible.

She sits on twitter gloating about her crappy articles too.

Ladyhawke127 Fri 20-Sep-13 13:58:47

I just felt sick reading that article! Poor little lamb! I just have a little 14 month old, though, and to see that sadness reflected in his eyes as I forced him to face something he wasn't ready for would just about kill me. But I am not renowned for my bravery. What a horrible woman. I havnt read any of her articles before, and will surely avoid in the future.

Merrylegs Fri 20-Sep-13 14:44:02

I have a theory that her family is actually made up. The kids are hired actors and are paid on a 'humiliation' sliding scale. Shona, as puppet master gets the biggest share obvs.

Pinkpinot Fri 20-Sep-13 15:29:36

Merrylegs I was going to post that

She's just such an odd character, and it almost seems unbelievable

RachelHRD Fri 20-Sep-13 23:24:25

Sadly it's not made up. She lives near my sister and is a very odd woman.....

motherinferior Fri 20-Sep-13 23:39:15

Speaking as a freelance journalist who has worked since her kids were very small I have two words for her: CHILD CARE. It's this wonderful invention that enables you to work and have kids at the same time. And bear in mind it probably costs less than private school too.

Mumoftwoyoungkids Sat 21-Sep-13 00:23:57

She makes it all up in my opinion.





Now I'm as forgetful as the next person but I do remember whether or not my husband was in the room for the birth of our kids!

expatinscotland Sat 21-Sep-13 00:26:11

She is a rent a gob.

williaminajetfighter Sat 21-Sep-13 08:17:15

Hate her. Her earning potential is so limited that she has to exploit her family and children to make a living revealing inappropriate personal thing because that's all she's got left to give.

I hope her kids disown her as I imagine they will. She clearly has no shame.

Sad, sad woman scrambling for her next pay cheque.

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 21-Sep-13 08:24:49

She does make it up. She'll write anything for money even if she doesn't believe it. A lot of her articles have contraindicated each other over the years. I won't read them anymore, she makes me feel a bit stabby.

mynameismskane Sun 22-Sep-13 00:24:30

Glad I'm not the only one who can't stand her. Her ugliness comes out in every way. I'd forgotten that she hits her kids. Makes me dislike her even more. Vile woman.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 13:25:46

There was a blogger who got into a big row with her. She pretty much admitted that she makes it up. Wrote publically that we shouldn't believe everything we read in the papers.

mynameismskane Mon 23-Sep-13 22:32:22

Then she is an even bigger twat than I thought - if that's possible!

MmmmWhiteWine Mon 23-Sep-13 22:52:03

Surely a child who has literally just turned 4 can't even go to primary school?! Or is the English system different?

Pinkpinot Mon 23-Sep-13 22:58:05

If child turned 4 up to 31st aug they start reception in Sept

MmmmWhiteWine Mon 23-Sep-13 22:59:54

FFS! 4!! That's ridiculous.....

ILetHimKeep20Quid Tue 24-Sep-13 07:16:56

That's so you sad and with no real option to defer.

ILetHimKeep20Quid Tue 24-Sep-13 07:18:29


Golferman Tue 24-Sep-13 07:28:43

Surely the whole point of these articles is to be controversial and getting people talking about it; exactly what we are doing! I don't believe in stopping free speech , however everyone has the right to disagree with such things.

Greythorne Tue 24-Sep-13 07:36:30

I think she writes controversial drivel to make money, good money.

I think her DH and children are 'in' on it, in the sense that she says, 'darling, I have to write that sex has never been good since you watched me give birth, they're offering 30p a word, it'll have to be a corker, so I am going to go to town with how revolted you were by seeing the placenta and how you felt physically sick the next time I tried to jump you' and 'sweetie, I am going to write that potty training you was the most disgusting experience of my life and that next time I will pay a nanny to do your little siblings, but it's not true, my love, but we'll be able to go to the Italian lakes on holiday with the cash, won't that be lovely'

None if her articles are even consistent. It's just controversial make believe and she and her DH are in it together.

SomethingOnce Tue 24-Sep-13 08:45:04

I'm not a fan of Sibary's writing, but I assume these threads are started, or at least heavily contributed to, by the charmer(s) at judgybitch, who seem to have an unhealthy fixation.

TheHammaconda Tue 24-Sep-13 12:18:42

What's judgybitch Something?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 12:38:21

Judgybitch.com is a the blog I mentioned above that got into a spat with her:


I don't like quite a bit of what they say but the shona posts and her comments make for more interesting reading than anything she usually writes.

Greythorne Wed 25-Sep-13 07:34:02

That judgybitch site is seriously toxic

hackmum Wed 25-Sep-13 07:49:19

I assume the way she works is that writing about her family is her "patch", in the way that other people see health or education or whatever as their patch. So if there's a news hook (report says children shouldn't go to school young, politician says we shouldn't smack our kids etc) she devises a story about her family to fit. The story doesn't have to be 100% true. I think in that sense her attitude is purely pragmatic.

I don't know if her children share her surname, but it worries me that in 5 or 10 years when they're applying for jobs or uni, prospective employers will google them and come across this stuff. Because once it's up there, it doesn't go away. It's very hard on her children - they are not really of an age where they can make a sensible decision about whether to consent to appearing in these articles. The four-year old with a dummy particularly made me wince.

BeaLola Wed 25-Sep-13 08:36:39

I dont bother to read any of her stuff if I come across it as its all me me me and I cant believe all these things have actually happened to her.
Regardless of her poor writing poor children.

LondonNinja Wed 25-Sep-13 08:47:32

I hated that article - poor kids. That is not journalism, btw.

However, it does make me smile when people say they don't read a word of Sibary's, or the DM, and then cite exsnples of its awfulness.

LondonNinja Wed 25-Sep-13 08:47:56

*examples, bloody phone

Fecklessdizzy Wed 25-Sep-13 09:01:58

I think all these AIBU threads about Have-you-seen-such-and-such's-article-OMG-what-a-cow are planted by the DM to up their hit quota.

SamHamwidge Wed 25-Sep-13 09:16:35

The thing that gets me most of all is that these awful women get a platform time and time again for their drivel (if I see Kate Hopkins one more time I will go feral) whereas intelligent women who really have something to say struggle to get their voices heard.

BeCool Wed 25-Sep-13 09:49:50

Sam it bothers me more that intelligent women are reading this crap, and feeding the machine that despises them so much.

BlackbeltinBS Wed 25-Sep-13 09:59:14

I think Shona is a sock puppet for Liz Jones. The more you read of Shona's stuff (and Lucy Cavendish and Katie Hopkins), the more you like Liz Jones because at least she's not selling her children at the same time, she's just insane.

WhatHo Wed 25-Sep-13 10:29:32

Greythorne definitely. She must run it past her DH at the very least.

And the money is bloody good. If anyone's interested, most magazines pay £150-£450 (rumour has it a new travel magazine is paying 3p a word, so that's about £25-£40 a feature. Free holiday though!) Therefore £1,000 plus for some guff you can run up in a couple of hours is a no-brainer. If you're prepared to sell your soul...

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 25-Sep-13 11:59:22

Yes greythorne it is toxic.

WhatHo I think the Fail is a particularly lucrative one for freelancers to break into. Hence the desperation evident in Sibary's ramblings.

TheHammaconda Wed 25-Sep-13 13:40:20

£1,000 you say. I might run up an article explaining how I encouraged my teenage daughter to get pregnant by an eastern european migrant in order to live a life of luxury on benefits and how I had plastic surgery on the NHS so I could fulfill my lifelong dream of becoming a Cherie Blair lookalike. Do you think the Mail would take it?

WhatHo Wed 25-Sep-13 13:53:36

TheHammaconda If you were prepared to take pics of your plastic surgery and knocked-up daughter, and you could bear to become the laughing stock of the nation, then hell YES DM would love that story.

motherinferior Wed 25-Sep-13 13:55:47

I actually have written for the Fail, for the mag that is: I got away with some remarkably lefty-liberal stuff, in fact. And yes, the money was terrific.

motherinferior Wed 25-Sep-13 13:57:32

Now, however, I'm returning to a feature that is a rather more usual rate...

Pawprint Wed 25-Sep-13 16:07:28

She writes to get attention but then isn't that why people write for rags like the DM anyway? And the money, of course.

I've read some of her articles and have enjoyed one or two. The rest I have found either totally egocentric or just a bit dull. I'm not really interested in her family or what they are up to.

Pawprint Wed 25-Sep-13 16:25:31

Ok, just read that she slaps her daughter. Nice. I take it all back about enjoying her stupid articles. She can fuck RIGHT OFF. Stupid bitch.

Twitterqueen Wed 25-Sep-13 16:29:56

She's prostituting her children and her family - earning money on the back of their characters, problems, wants and needs.

I think she is truly awful and I feel so sorry for her poor children.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 25-Sep-13 17:15:24

motherinferior you might not be as rich but do you feel better about yourself when you are not writing for them ? grin

motherinferior Wed 25-Sep-13 18:29:50

I did actually feel quite good about writing about the situation of young people with learning disabilities who have nowhere to move on to at 18+. Like I say, it was a remarkably liberal-lefty piece!


I sneaked it in...

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 25-Sep-13 18:32:32

Well done. There is the odd one that I wonder how the writer got it past the editors. The MoS is a tiny tad less bigoted than the DM.

florenceflo Mon 29-Sep-14 21:26:50

this woman drugs her children and sells them i mean what is she like how can any mother do such a thing i really feel sorry for her children i think she needs a good fuck and needs to get over herself.

florenceflo Mon 29-Sep-14 21:29:31

she contradicts everything she says - apparently she's renting a property but yet she owns a house and cuts pictures out of a brochure saying she's had lots of guest around all summer ? what i know her husband only married her for the shake of her being preggers but come oh by the easy her own very words - id rather mom then have sex with my husband - amazingly sad person

FloraFlorist Tue 30-Sep-14 10:29:44

I think she is a desperately sad woman, bitter and twisted. Can't feel sorry for her though because of how she treats her children.

treadheavily Tue 30-Sep-14 10:46:29

^ florenceflo you don't happen to be her daughter now do you?

Whoopsadazy Tue 30-Sep-14 11:12:11

I'm sure she pitches it herself, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of these 'writers' offering themselves up on a plate. It seems as though no aspect of family life is out of bounds and for every one that gets published she probably offers two that are rejected

I read an article online about this. As paid writing work becomes more competitive, there is more and more of this. The initial brief often doesn't resemble the finished article. Once the writer has submitted it, it will come back with "oh, focus more on this bit, take that bit out"all with tha aim of getting these click bait pieces that no-one sane would willingly come up with and as the writer has already given up a fair bit of time (as yet unpaid) they will do what they are told.

Some interesting blog links in this article - particularly Anna Blundy. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/04/samantha-brick-thrown-to-wolves

Stratter5 Tue 30-Sep-14 11:35:14

Can't stand her, and her daughter's article is considerably better than any of her drivel.

Aridane Tue 30-Sep-14 12:11:30

Shona Sibrary, Liz Jones and Samantha Brick - an unholy DM trio!

Bellwether Tue 30-Sep-14 13:23:51

Her article about how she allowed her 13 year old to get drunk and jump off a trampoline, breaking her collarbone, and her teenage boy (young, 14?) to smoke shisha which he gave to their 4 year old and he put the video on Youtube, frankly gave me the creeps. I mean, literally, it quite upset me and it was published in August and I was thinking about it just this morning, and now again just seeing her name.

It's either exaggerated, which is harmful as I don't think it's on to pretend such behaviour is just the hijinks of youth, or it's true, and she should keep it to herself in shame.

fruitmedley Tue 30-Sep-14 16:00:41

I didn't know who she was so looked her up.....I went to primary school with her! Before she went off to the convent school. Dreadful articles.

fridgepants Tue 30-Sep-14 17:35:24

I couldn't read the daughter's article because one of my parents was similar when I was her age. It was a source of shame for me because I felt embarrassed that I didn't have the relationship with my parent that everyone else had, and I also was scared that if I told anyone I'd be sent to live somewhere else (whether that's true or not, I have no idea, but I was young...). It affected my mental health severely for years afterwards, and I wonder if the daughter speaking out about it will make things worse or better for her.

fridgepants Tue 30-Sep-14 17:37:11

Mind you, there was also the woman who wrote anonymously in the Guardian about her family - the Guardian forums at the time had a long-running thread about how she sounded like an appalling parent. It turned out to be Julie Myerson whose son was On The Drugs.

Shizzy Tue 30-Sep-14 17:43:51

My DP knew her husband quite well...the poor man sad

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