Has Jamie Oliver sold his soul?

(170 Posts)
ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 16-Sep-13 20:28:51

Okay, I know this has been done to death but, Jamie Oliver advocates higher welfare meat, and yet is cooking chicken wings in his budget programme. Can't remember seeing free range or organic wings for sale unless attached to the bird! aibu thinking his message is forget the morals to save money?

HairyGrotter Mon 16-Sep-13 20:29:40

I hope he's sold his soul, the fat tongued cunt

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Mon 16-Sep-13 20:31:50

He had a soul?

showtunesgirl Mon 16-Sep-13 20:34:26

My local butcher does free range chicken wings but they ARE hard to get a hold of from a supermarket.

You need a soul in the first place to lose it

mehimandthegirls Mon 16-Sep-13 20:35:52

Yes he has..I watched a program where he was openly saying that he was selfish and had a need to travel round Italy for 3 months, just to get it out of his system! It was his birthday while he was there and his kids rang him and they were asking when he was coming back sad

He was convinced Jules was going to surprise visit him (as apparently she is like that..)at his party some Italians were throwing him.

She didn't turn up! ha He was gutted. Wanker.

HavantGuard Mon 16-Sep-13 20:36:16

He's not with Sainsbury's anymore so is pushing using your local butcher. I'd imagine they have plenty for sale.

FayKnights Mon 16-Sep-13 20:39:01

HairyGrotter....Jools is that you?!

just watching his budget program, dill, lamb, filo pastry. actual arsehole.

DH and I spent that whole programme mocking jamie and his absurd costings.

He's become the dad that doesn't realise he's old and not cool any more.

And by 'old', I mean from the perspective of 18 year olds, etc.

ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 16-Sep-13 21:26:57

I did think buying a whole salmon is not exactly budget... My cheapest meal is 15p a portion.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 21:31:29

Jamie has split his soul à la Lord Voldemort into horcruxes hidden in various objects.

I wonder what they are?

ceeveebee Mon 16-Sep-13 21:37:39

Ocado sell two types of free range organic chicken wings.
But he is still a cock.

TheCrackFox Mon 16-Sep-13 21:41:32

I was in Boots today and there is now a range of Jamie sandwiches. When will he decide he has enough money?

LeaveTheBastid Mon 16-Sep-13 21:43:38

Howling at "fat tongued cunt" grin grin

picnicbasketcase Mon 16-Sep-13 21:44:50

Insert joke about cocks and chicken. Sorry, tired.

'Fat tongued cunt' gringringrin

armani Mon 16-Sep-13 21:46:44

just watched his 'money spending saving' programme and think its ridiculous! he is very out of touch with society if he honestly believes a £10 piece of salmon is cheap!

YouTheCat Mon 16-Sep-13 21:46:50

I have part of JO's soul in a stock cube which I am going to crumble into a bolognese tomorrow.

HTH grin

inkyfingers Mon 16-Sep-13 21:48:24

You're right, it has been utterly done to death on mumsnet.

He's in the food business, very successfully. He has 4 kids so knows at least something on trying to help them eat healthily. He apparently now sells sandwiches. Get over it.

silkboots Mon 16-Sep-13 21:48:50


ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 21:50:07

Jamie sandwiches? How much money does one family need FFS.

He has Jamie wine as well. I often pick up the bottles and hide them behind the others.

I think one of his horcruxes is a tongue-scraper.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 21:52:33

YouTheCat destroying a part of his soul into your sauce should impart a lovely smoky flavour grin

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Mon 16-Sep-13 21:58:27

The horcruxes are surely hidden in the form of turkey twizzlers - that's why he doesn't want anyone to eat them.

Hes a greedy bastard now, I dont know which one is worse, him or Gordon Ramsay, thank god for Delia.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 22:05:09

Turkey Twizzlers - of course!

YouTheCat Mon 16-Sep-13 22:06:53

I believe it will impart essence of twat to my bolognese.

greenbananas Mon 16-Sep-13 22:06:54

I wish I could afford to have morals when it comes to buying meat.

It's not that I don't care about the animals. But I am permanently skint, and I need to feed my children protein (can't do beans, eggs, dairy products because of allergies).

Those of you who have the money for free-range meat, please do keep on buying it! That will hopefully bring the cost down for the rest of us.

I hope he's sold his soul, the fat tongued cunt

My favourite Mumsnet line this year!


Unexpected Mon 16-Sep-13 22:07:23

i don't really care about Jamie Oliver - he's irrelevant - but I'd love to know what the 15p a portion meal is, OP?

123bucklemyshoe Mon 16-Sep-13 22:08:31

Yes.....& he is selling his budget cooking book fir £26!

I once had to buy a bag of jamie oliver salad in asda (they were out of absolutely everything else, including actual lettuces). It was really, truly awful. 3 leaves of lettuce and half a teaspoon of the world least flavoursome dressing. I would have been better off not bothering at all really.

greenbananas Mon 16-Sep-13 22:11:36

Yes.....& he is selling his budget cooking book for £26!

Words fail me.

DownstairsMixUp Mon 16-Sep-13 22:13:41

HairyGrotter you have literally made me cry with laughter!

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 22:16:32

His mate Andy the Gasman seemed to be under the Imperious Curse in the episode when JO was telling us not to order pizza on a Friday night after a long working week but instead spend fecking ages after you have eaten said pizza clearing up flour and washing the food processor and mixing bowl.

"You make it look so easy Jamie"

Poor bloke looked like he had been lobotomised. He's a horcrux too I reckon.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 22:21:01

He is selling his "budget" cookbook now because it will be bought by people who are about to send DC off to University.

He said on the web-chat that herbs can be picked from local parks. WTAF?

My DC might be able to buy herbs from ours but they'd be the smokeable type.

YouTheCat Mon 16-Sep-13 22:22:38

I hear those herbs are nice in a brownie. grin

Snazzyenjoyingsummer Mon 16-Sep-13 22:26:50

The '40p a roll' costing for burger buns was a bit mad. Especially as they were saying you can get buns cheaper (so why not buy those, then?)

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 22:28:03

I've "heard" that too funnily enough <cough>

Trouble is, apparently it inspires more hunger, but it's okay because we have Jamie to tell us what to do with leftover salmon so that should sort the munchies out when it's 3 a.m and you're totally skint.

I think he has a horcrux hidden in his wide-screen television.

ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 16-Sep-13 22:28:25

Greenbananas, this is not about the ethics of free range meat, more the ethics or rather hypocrisy and lack of realising what being on a budget actually means of Jamie Oliver.

And jamie Oliver sandwiches! How many flipping horcruxes can he make?

serin Mon 16-Sep-13 22:29:39

We used to be quite fond of him until we went to his Big Feastival. I have never been to a crapper event. We left after one day despite spending over £250 on weekend tickets.

£7 for fisherman's stew, it was served in a small coffee cup and consisted of rubbery squid in a vile over salted red liquid. I am thinking of recreating it for Halloween grin

£7 for a tiny tiny portion of fish and chips that Rick Stein would call a kids portion and charge a hell of a lot less for.

On the subject of selling his charitable soul, he put THESE people in a corner of an empty field and gave plum position to a bunch of millionaires who were collecting to build a community shop in their (not very impoverished) village. But that's a whole new thread. grin

WilsonFrickett Mon 16-Sep-13 22:31:08

You guys are fucking brilliant tonight. Horcruxes made some wee come out.

Fat-tongued cunt grin

imustbepatient Mon 16-Sep-13 22:38:34

For years my DH has called him a fat lipped cunt. He will love this thread. I still remain naively optimistic JO is just going through a git stage. Suspect deep down that my husband is on the money on this one though.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 22:42:05

I reckon the Mockney Tosser has part of his soul in that wanky VW camper van.

A dose of reality having to eat on what a food-bank gives you when you have shit-all equipment or money for electricity might repair his soul somewhat.

BoffinMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:46:31

I have costed up one of his recipes on my blog.
Austerity Housekeeping
£3.40 a portion.
That's a lorra, lorra dosh and certainly more than we spend on food at the Chateau de Boff.

JustinBsMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:47:26

Well I don't love this thread because irritating though some might find him he has worked hard to improve the diet of school kids and in the old days with his quirky fun attitude, got my DS into cooking - and I'm sure my DS is not the only one.

All he has done is be a success, which makes him ripe for spiteful comments on MN, as can be seen on many threads.

BoffinMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:48:39

I think he should stick to being positive and chirpy, as it was his rather nasty criticism of the less fortunate that turned us against him. Plus his pronouncement that he loved One Direction.

WilsonFrickett Mon 16-Sep-13 22:49:59

You're right of course justin. He'll be crying over his gold plated giant fat tongue scraping horcrux tonight.

scarletforya Mon 16-Sep-13 22:50:12

Jamie Oliver is a twat.


He is.

greenbananas Mon 16-Sep-13 22:51:22

Bacon and onion, I realise this isn't about the ethics of free range meat. But how do you cook meat on a budget without using the cheap supermarket stuff?

Maybe he should have abandoned his "get the nation healthy" persona and not have tried to sell a budget cookbook at all (especially for £26!)

I am clearly having a sense of humor failure tonight. Can't comment on the festival, but think Jamie Oliver is more down to earth than many a tv chef, and does more to get the nation cooking real food with relatively simple ingredients.

BoffinMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:51:29

I have just had a chilling thought.
Do you think One Direction are mere receptacles for his horcruxes?

JustinBsMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:54:00

Well criticize him for his comments by all means, that's not what's going on here, as per usual.

YouTheCat Mon 16-Sep-13 22:54:59

He's an idiot with no clue what living on a real budget is.

BoffinMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:55:46

Well, this is MN and not for the faint hearted.

Snazzyenjoyingsummer Mon 16-Sep-13 22:55:50

greenbananas I would agree he's better than most, actually. I liked the Ministry of Food series as he did actually get at the reasons why people like the single mum didn't cook (no supermarket nearby etc). I just wasn't convinced for the bit where I tuned in tonight he was genuinely doing accessible budget food. I hope he can get a better grip on it. I don't think many others are better, as seen by that BBC1 prog (I've forgotten the title) with chefs trying to cook on a benefits budget and failing. I don't like Delia much either and am far from convinced that she lives in the real world.

mignonette Mon 16-Sep-13 22:56:57

Has nothing to do w/ his success and everything to do w/ his thick, lazy and uninformed opinions used to publicise his book to other sympathetic mouth breathers (who will soon be as podgy as him if they eat his food- have you seen the fat content and calories in many of them?)

BoffinMum Mon 16-Sep-13 22:58:13

I have said it before, and I will say it again.

We need state restaurants (like what they called British Restaurants in World War 2) to ensure that those with very little money can get a simple hot meal without paying commercial rates. Or open up student restaurants and office canteens like in Germany, to achieve the same thing.

British Restaurants

scarletforya Mon 16-Sep-13 22:58:35

In fact; Look SEE

Darkesteyes Mon 16-Sep-13 23:06:08

.....my ex OM used to work for a car rental company. Many times his boss stopped him from having a lunch break and kept telling him to grab a sausage roll and a burger on the run.

And judgemental comments like the ones Jamie Oliver made recently just add fuel to the fire and feed on peoples ignorance.

wonders when Jamie Oliver is going to tackle some of these employers as well as schools and judging poor people if hes so bloody concerned...oh wait he is an employer so he wont

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 23:08:23

serins's post has made me very angry.

"On the subject of selling his charitable soul, he put THESE people in a corner of an empty field and gave plum position to a bunch of millionaires who were collecting to build a community shop in their (not very impoverished) village"

these people were isolated and marginalised during Jamie's wank-fest.
This man is utterly loathsome.

ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 16-Sep-13 23:12:05

Green bananas, I cook on a budget because I choose not to eat meat. I am not judging those who do, however JO is always spouting on about free range/organic, but that seems to be by the by with the new programme.

I do cook meat for my family, I tend to look for cheaper cuts that can be slow cooked.

FayeKorgasm Mon 16-Sep-13 23:15:14

Hairy grotter. I think I love you! grin

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 23:21:58

shock at Wand Erection being a receptacle for Jamie's horcruxes!

Chatteringarses Mon 16-Sep-13 23:23:10

Oh, leave him alone you mean lot. Criticise his recipes all you like but J.O. has staked his reputation on trying to improve eating in this country (and in the US) so you really can't say he's just in business to be greedy. Those who are carping about him being out of touch with the real world- I didn't notice any other chef giving a crap about what food our kids eat in schools? No other media chef would be arsed to lobby govt to get children's food onto the political agenda. I just wish JO would do the same for hospital food.
He's also still got his charity training up new chefs who would never get a foot in the door at other celeb chefs' restaurants so I think he is a good 'un.

Darkesteyes Mon 16-Sep-13 23:26:41

If hes so fucking concerned why doesnt he tackle the employers then like i mentioned above.

Christ Scarlet and Itis.. hes even more of a loathsome wanker than i originally thought.

Frizzbonce Mon 16-Sep-13 23:27:30

HairyGrotter grin Are any of the 'Jamie Sandwiches' filled with 'fat-tongue'? Or 'cunt'?

scarletforya Mon 16-Sep-13 23:27:51

Well, just because he accidentally does some good along the way doesn't make him a good 'un!

<shakes pitchfork rabblerousingly>

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 23:28:22

Hello Jools.

Darkesteyes Mon 16-Sep-13 23:30:00

Chattering mignonette has mentioned on previous threads how chefs in Spain are doing a lot in communities but .....MINUS the publicity.

mignonette Mon 16-Sep-13 23:31:18

Go research what the chefs in Spain are doing to combat the intense poverty over there. And without publicity until the New Statesman featured it a few weeks ago. It has been compared to the equivalant of Nigella, Rick Stein, Heston, Delia, Simon Hopkinson and Nigel all giving their time for free and without fanfare.

JO only does these 'measures' to improve his bank balance. Everything has a TV show/book attached to it. Everything. He made millions from supermarkets and his range of processed high salt foods then slags off supermarkets, processed food and those that shop in them and buy these products. He doesn't engage in 'charity' unless he can further his personal brand through it. He is not an altruist nor a philanthropist. JO soon gave up on the lobbying when it got too much like long term commitment and when the TV shows ended.

He is a despicable hypocrite and I am very happy to see how down his book sales are this time. He has insulted too many people this time.

HairyPoppins Mon 16-Sep-13 23:32:19

<tries to guess the other Hairy's old pb login>

mignonette Mon 16-Sep-13 23:32:22

Oh and The Timpson Family have had their own training restaurant for some time now. There are plenty of people doing this without fan fare.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 23:34:33

We're not criticising his recipes, we are discussing the fact that he is seriously out of touch.

Do calm down, dear.

ItIsKnown Mon 16-Sep-13 23:39:39

<drunk with power>

Darkesteyes Mon 16-Sep-13 23:42:09

His attitude has affected the sales this time then.

mignonette Mon 16-Sep-13 23:47:11

And hoards of people tipping his books down the back of the book display shelving <<<whistles innocently>>>

Darkesteyes Mon 16-Sep-13 23:48:45

mignon wine

ItIsKnown Tue 17-Sep-13 00:24:14

mignonette the supermarket displays which I used to tip over and blame my DS for are now gone so hiding is the way to go.

Are you reading, Jamie?

We on MN think you are a patronising arrogant twat. We are your target demographic but we are appalled at your attitudes. Stop judging poor people, have some fucking compassion and try to be less of a cunt.

I bought every one of your books except your recent one which I am boycotting. I am sure that I am not alone in this. You have fucked up massively with your recent comments but then you can afford to. You have also upset a lot of people with your ill-informed judgements.

Luckily for you, you are rich enough to not give a shit, but your faux-altruistic cheeky chappy persona has taken a serious battering.

Lots of love from IIK.

Snazzyenjoyingsummer Tue 17-Sep-13 00:28:42

Link mignon? I could research it I'm sure but... it's late...

While I was not impressed by JO's prog tonight, I'm not starting to feel it's all gone a bit OTT here. 'Out of touch' , yes, but 'utterly loathsome'? Really? Just for comparison, Anthony Worrall Thompson has also done the launching his own range of cookware etc, but also said that the minimum wage should be scrapped and waiting staff made to work for tips only as then you'd get better service (while having a moan about East Europeans in the process). Then he was revealed as a shoplifter. That's a lot further along the loathsome scale than JO for me.

Darkesteyes Tue 17-Sep-13 00:37:00

Really snazzy Id say it was about even. JO has had a go at loads of groups of people Young ppl, poor ppl, British workers.

Hey we only need a third chef to come out with some bollocks and we have got the hat trick.

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 08:34:04

There is a chef in Cambridge who teaches at the local FE college, and also is head chef of one of the colleges, who is a complete legend on the training front. He trains people who won't work in expensive restaurants for the benefit of the top 10%, but who will go out across East Anglia populating catering jobs in all sorts of places - schools, hospitals, canteens, cafes and so on - the backbone of the catering industry. He's probably been responsible for training many more chefs than JO has, over the course of his long career, and he is just one example of people who work away quietly, with excellent results, in contrast to the noisy and comparatively niche approach of JO.

I like quiet, me, and I like what the Spanish chefs have been doing. And while we are at it, I think Ferrera's book 'The Family Meal' is a lot better than JO's book, and the ingredients are cheaper.

Eilidhbelle Tue 17-Sep-13 08:44:43

He donated a copy of the book to every library in Britain, so it is available for free to anyone who would want it.

But I hate the programme. I'd love to see real costings for every meal, because I can't believe that it includes 'store cupboard essentials' as part of the final cost.

whois Tue 17-Sep-13 08:45:44

Ah you lot, he's not so bad. He has actually tried to make a difference, and he highlighted how crap school meals were and pushed for change. If you don't like him, don't watch him!

I don't think his new TV series is aimed at those actually on the breadline, more aimed at showing how you can cook good quality and tasty food for less. I think £3.40 per portion for pork shoulder is really good.

Bakingnovice Tue 17-Sep-13 08:46:55

He's a millionaire mockney. Hoping to make another few million with his latest con. Our school dinner uptake has dropped 50% since his campaign. We have lost dinner staff, some of whom who had been cooking healthy dinners there for years. One if the main reasons the intake dropped was the food had to be delivered by an external company so the LEA could monitor salt/sugar etc. school dinners now has a packed lunch element, and no seasoning in the meals. It's disgusting. Prior to this we never had turkey twizzlers on the menu, we had generally good hearty home cooking. . Is it any wonder more kids are having packed lunch?! Just wanted to burst the JO myth that he revolutionised school dinners.

JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 08:58:41

The thing that gets me most, and I've said it under many MN names on many JO threads is his seeming manipulation of the truth.

I am still waiting for an answer from "his people" about a blatant untruth I spotted on his Italian school dinners programme. Which he used v skilfully to diss the UK school dinners.

I also have an issue with his school dinner thing- it's all very well to slag the system and what the kids were being fed (if it was all true) But what about the parents? Did millions of parents not give a shit about what their kids were eating at school until Saint Jamie told them to? Or is the truth slightly more mundane. That they weren't, by and large, that bad?

JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 09:01:01

I also find the fact that we are supposed to consider Jules a "celebrity" mind-blowingly patronising. Why the fuck should we? Does the woman have a discernible talent we can admire? Of her own?

We don't see Mr JK Rowling touted around "ooooh, Mr Rowling would love to do Strictly" do we?

He gives me the rage. (not Mr JK, obviously, I don't even know his name)

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 09:09:28

Justbecause, I too have a big problem with the coattails aspect of his family life. He thinks he is the Bob Geldof of food, and in no time at all we'll have his kids preaching to us as well, about what to cook and what to dress in and the like, whilst trousering the dosh.

I agree about the school meals thing. Round our way they haven't changed, just a bit more expensive and a bit more cheap pasta on the menu (which I don't approve of FWIW).

JO just doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to understanding why folk who are less fortunate than him make the choices they do. It's like the 'School Dinners' debacle, where he claimed parents were taking burgers to give to children through the school railings because they 'didn't like' his healthy school dinners.

This turned out to be bollocks. Parents were taking all sorts of food to the school, not just burgers, but sandwiches, wraps, fruit etc as well, because their children weren't getting fed. They weren't rejecting the food - a new system in the school canteen meant some kids were queing all lunchbreak and then finding the food had RUN OUT. And the situation was only temporary.

We watched the 'Ministry of Food' series and it was glaringly obvious there was a bloody great elephant in the room. At no point did JO engage with the issue of budgeting. It's all very well demonstrating quick and easy recipes to people without cooking skills or experience, but how much exactly does he think pancetta costs? Why not use chopped up bacon instead?

What was desperately needed on that programme was to take the weekly food budget for each family as a starting point and work out menus from there - before demonstrating any recipes. People on very limited income cannot afford to waste ingredients and this is always a risk when introuducing unfamiliar recipes to children. He pointed out that a single mum was spending a lot of money every week on takeaways but he needed to show her just how much food could be cooked from scratch ON THE SAME BUDGET.

SeaSickSal Tue 17-Sep-13 09:59:40

He has a pile of shrivelled sun dried tomatos where his soul should be.

JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 10:36:47

I think it says a lot that all his preachy programmes are Channel 4.

Shock docs carefully cherry picked to hide the truth.

Darkesteyes Tue 17-Sep-13 13:20:25

Whois like ive said previously if his programmes arent aimed at ppl on the breadline then why was/is he being so vindictive towards them then?

YouTheCat Tue 17-Sep-13 13:34:29

He's made no difference to our school meals. They are still processed shite (just without the turkey twizzlers).

And all that 'look at all this crap in chicken nuggets' rubbish. There is just as much crap in most average priced sausages and not so very long ago every bit of the animal would have been used in some way. The ex mil remembers eating 'lights' in the 40s.

fatlazymummy Tue 17-Sep-13 14:09:28

To me Jamie Oliver's food is dinner party food. It's great for special occasions but it's not really achievable on a low budget on a day to day basis. Blogs such as A girl called Jack are far more useful for anyone who really needs to save money.
I also find the insinuation that no British people know how to cook rather irritating. We do, we just don't use 50 ingredients and a gallon of olive oil for every recipe.

Charliefarlie1192 Tue 17-Sep-13 14:13:20

I can not bear to watch his flobbery mouth on my screen

sonlypuppyfat Tue 17-Sep-13 14:15:45

hairy has made my day, thank you

JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 14:17:46

fatlazymummy- I agree. It's partly his dissing of everything British (unless it's hand reared massaged daily organic beetroot or summat) that irritates so very much.

And I speak as someone who has lived in Italy for the last 20 years. Where believe me, bad cooks, and very very bad food exist, contrary to what JO would have us believe. I have never had such poor quality meat (which costs 3 times what it would cost in the UK) in my life.

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 14:17:57

Lapsed, I didn't know that. The TV company really spun that negatively, if that is true. I did wonder at the time why someone would go out to get a burger and then go all the way down to school with it to deliver it to a DC. It makes a lot more sense if kids are ringing home asking for mum to drop off a quick pack up.

ubik Tue 17-Sep-13 14:23:26

I've just seen Jools coming out of Farmfoods with a packet of cheese strings and munchy box shock

Mopswerver Tue 17-Sep-13 14:24:37

God! All this hatred for JO! I wouldn't call myself his greatest fan cooking wise but he always seems like a decent human being to me. You can mock him all you want for being rich but he is one of the few celebs that I think has earned it. He could easily sit back and take as much as he can but he has at least tried to 'give back'. Why do people have so much bile for people like him? Richard Branson gets it in the neck too. Save it all for the likes of Jeremy Clarkson et al. Jamie is a good guy. (Dons hard hat).

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 14:28:33

We dislike him climbing on the backs of the impoverished to further his career, as this is contributing to their apparent vilification.

YouTheCat Tue 17-Sep-13 14:29:25

Mop, did you actually read what he said about 'the poor'?

He doesn't give a shit. It's all just part of the huge publicity wheel that is out to make him money.

Hullygully Tue 17-Sep-13 14:29:46

weeping at "fat tongued cunt"

Calloh Tue 17-Sep-13 14:37:10

Oh my god. This is really horrible. I don't get all the vitriol at all.

Surely he's trying to help? He could do nothing, just rake in the money from his books and merchandise but he's not. He is trying to actually help with recipes on the cheap. Fine, they might not be the cheapest recipes in the world but are they really targeted at those in real need? (who definitely should have as much help as possible) I thought this book was for anyone who felt their food bill had gone up loads over the past few years and wanted to being it down. How is that malevolent?

He's just a bloke who is good enough at what he does that he's made a mint - good for him and who now tries to be helpful while still making money. What is wrong with that?

There are loathsome people in the world, even on telly but he is not one of them. On the other hand I heard today an account of Roman Polanski's rape of a 13 year old and it made me feel entirely sick to my core.

Hullygully Tue 17-Sep-13 14:38:09

I don't mind him I don't think

I'm not sure Roman Polanski has a place here, can't you just use the Nazis like everyone else?

YouTheCat Tue 17-Sep-13 14:42:23

If he kept his big stupid opinions to himself, I think people would view him in a much more positive light.

I didn't know that the mums who were passing through burgers to their kids, during the whole school dinners rubbish, did it because they weren't being fed at school because they had cocked up amounts of food but I'd say it was fair enough. The fact that JO's little PR wagon sought to twist that to their advantage in a 'look at these awful women who don't want to feed their kids healthy food' way, just makes him look like an even bigger twat.

SeaSickSal Tue 17-Sep-13 14:43:17

I made his brisket recipe for 3 people. It cost £8 for the meat alone and with the other stuff I reckon about £16.00. Which is over a £5.00 each.

Not cheap.

Calloh Tue 17-Sep-13 14:43:41

Fat tongued cunt is grim. It would be grim applied to anyone ever. Macroglossia.

Yes Hully I shouldn't have brought in Roman Polanski, it was irrelevant but it was such difficult listening this morning that it kind of crept in.

Hullygully Tue 17-Sep-13 14:44:18

That's what Roman said


MortifiedAdams Tue 17-Sep-13 14:44:44

He has a cooking skills workshop running at a local attraction (its a permanent fixture), meant to advise those who cant cook / low income etc. Trouble is, it is set in an attraction that costs £15 entry, and has no public transport links nearby.


Hullygully Tue 17-Sep-13 14:44:53

"Fat tongued cunt" is fabulous.

I love it.

Pootles2010 Tue 17-Sep-13 14:45:14

But wouldn't £8 of brisket meat do way more than 3 portions, so the idea is to have lots of leftovers? Haven't seen recipe, but we use brisket loads, it is cheap as beef goes. Lentils/pasta obviously cheaper mind...

MortifiedAdams Tue 17-Sep-13 14:46:39

The recipe was for six people and meant to use half the joint, and the other half used in a fried rice dish.

So £4 for the meat for that dish and between six people

YouTheCat Tue 17-Sep-13 14:46:57

I'd expect some left from £8 worth of brisket but I'm not sure it would be enough to get a decent meal out of.

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 14:49:13

Calloh, if he is trying to help, why all the publicity? And why all the fudging of facts? As people have said, in Spain there is a much more discreet but universal effort by leading chefs.

And in the UK other people do what he is doing but as amateurs and completely for free. Yet the cult of celebrity prevails and now people think you need a £28 pork joint to eat cheaply. This has undermined our collective efforts to spread the word about budget cookery.

I despair.

AmberLeaf Tue 17-Sep-13 14:53:11

I used to really like him, I still do like his cooking style, it's the sort of food Id like to eat etc.

But this latest thing has put me right off him.

It isn't about trying to help poorer people, its deriding them and fanning the flames of the 'it's their own fault' brigade.

Calloh Tue 17-Sep-13 14:54:32

Boffin I know that you know far more about this than I do. And I totally agree it is ridiculous to be suggesting a joint of pork for £28 is cheap.

I just think that he has fame and is trying to use it for the benefit of others as well as himself as opposed to actively courting it for personal gain.

But yes, spreading the wrong message on cheap pork is not good.

AmberLeaf Tue 17-Sep-13 14:57:22

If he is doing it for the benefit of others, he'd have a blog not be selling his book for £26.

He is making money. which is fine, but be honest.

uggmum Tue 17-Sep-13 15:01:12

I find him a bit irritating to be honest. But I do have some of his books.

I decided to make his Thai Green Curry the other day. I took the recipe to Sainsburys to buy all the ingredients. I have a reasonable store cupboard at home but some of the ingredients were not run of the mill.

I couldn't get a few of them. For example, lime leaves are not available in your average supermarket. When I had most of the ingredients in my basket it added up to over £16. Yes, £16 for a meal for a family of four.

I put it all back and managed to find a kit to make your own. It had everything in that you needed, except, chicken and rice and it cost £2.60.

It was lovely. I find most of his recipes really expensive and his store cupboard is full of random products that most people do not have.

PaulSmenis Tue 17-Sep-13 15:02:42

Jamie sandwiches?

He's a bit of a twat. It's good to eat healthily obviously, but he is such a preachy fucker. I just end up thinking "Piss off Jamie, I'll eat what I like thanks".

I think he's just out to make as much money as he can. His idea of eating on a budget is a bit out of touch isn't it.

Snatchoo Tue 17-Sep-13 15:05:56

Don't like him, don't hate him.

whois - you posted "I think £3.40 per portion for pork shoulder is really good."

Really? I bought a pork shoulder for £4.50 last week and fed 5 of us for two meals. I think THAT'S good value!

limitedperiodonly Tue 17-Sep-13 15:08:29

How much would you pay for Jamie Oliver's soul?

LayMizzRarb Tue 17-Sep-13 15:26:29

Loving 'fat tongued cunt' Perfect.

He is always so bloody pleased with himself.

Feta cheese 5p a portion? TWAT.

The advice to the granny who throws away loads of bread (and to all the others with packed fridges) - Don't buy so fucking much in the first place. She obviously had an obsession with buying the stuff. - Hows about looking in the fridge before you go shopping?

expatinscotland Tue 17-Sep-13 15:30:25

I got deleted for calling him similar, Hairy, but I agree. smile

mignonette Tue 17-Sep-13 15:30:26


You mean there weren't lime leaves available in your local park? I think Jamie's local park must be Kew Gardens.


JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 15:41:51

Were you deleted when he was doing his annual publicity spot on MN to coincide with the launch of a new series webchat recently, Expat? By any chance? grin

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 15:48:54

There's another big question, and that is why everything to do with UK food has to be merchandised, involve the purchase of special utensils, be celebrity endorsed or otherwise fiddle faddled about with. As Frank Skinner said once, 'it's only getting a bit of dinner on'.

JustBecauseICan Tue 17-Sep-13 15:52:02


Because the JOs and the Delias (to a lesser extent) have worked their voodoo on the Great British Public and convinced us all we cook shit and eat shit and will all die terrible deaths and be the laughing stock of furrin land until we buy their books mend our ways.

FWIW I can cook. Always could. I like eating therefore I like cooking. I like feeling good so I don't eat shit.

Couldn't get a book deal though sadly.

expatinscotland Tue 17-Sep-13 15:55:01

Yes, Just, it was on one of those threads and loads of us got deleted.

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 16:03:04

With my Austerity hat on, I would like to announce that you can get a large pork joint for about a fiver from most supermarkets, and that will do a Sunday roast and make a pork, pea and mushroom pie afterwards for Monday. Yum yum yum. Here we go.

For pork, pea and mushroom pie, chop leftover pork and bacon into small cubes, fry up in pan for a couple of minutes with a bit of chopped onion, add about about 8oz halved or quartered mushrooms depending on size, and add 2-4 oz frozen peas. Pour over some stock or hot water with a few gravy granules added. Be careful it's not too runny - add some more gravy granules if it's going wrong. Worcestershire sauce or leftover wine add to the flavour, as do: crushed juniper berries, bay leaves, sage, but they are optional. (I know leftover wine is an unknown concept for many MNetters, up there with leftover chocolate). Simmer for a couple of minutes and then put the whole lot into a baking dish or tray. Top with either shortcrust pastry and bake until the pastry is golden, or put a savoury crumble on top - 8 oz each of margarine and flour rubbed together, add a few oats, salt and pepper, and a handful of grated cheese. You can also top it with mashed potato and bake in the oven for a bit if you like, until the potato starts to turn golden.

Now a chef would suggest things like using pancetta, using home made pork or ham stock, using a bouquet garni of fresh herbs, using a beurre manie to thicken a sauce if you weren't reducing it, adding an egg yolk to the shortcrust pastry and using butter to give a richer crust, and all sorts of things like that. But the improvement in taste would only be 10% and you would be increasing the time, fuel cost, and general expenditure.

This is the dilemma JO has, to be fair. He is a chef so if he started banging on about gravy granules and frozen peas and so on, people would think he had sold out completely. But the outcome is that his recipes are nice to have, rather than day to day. At it will ever be thus.

YouTheCat Tue 17-Sep-13 16:05:26

You lost me at 'left over wine' grin

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 16:06:17

Indeed. grin

BoffinMum Tue 17-Sep-13 16:10:26

Theoretical recipe coming up (untested).
Savoury bread and butter pudding. Mix two or three eggs into a pint of full fat milk. Get leftover cheap sliced bread and spread margarine on both sides. Cut into triangles and layer nicely in a dish. Pour egg and milk over the bread and margarine. Sprinkle over leftover chopped ham or bacon (no need for naice ham) and a handful of grated cheese. Cook in the oven for about 20 mins at 200C until the egg had formed a kind of set custard and the whole thing is nicely puffed up. Might make someone a cheap meal, that.

WilsonFrickett Tue 17-Sep-13 16:27:34

left over wine shock

To be fair to the FTC, when Delia suggested using frozen potatoes, frozen peas and other short-cuts like that their was an outpouring of bosom-hoicking outrage, so in those terms I suppose he can't win.

limitedperiodonly Tue 17-Sep-13 16:27:59

That pie sounds great. The only favourite things that are missing are carrots. I'm sure I can work them in.

Not too sure about the juniper berries. I'll stick to them in gin.

ubik Tue 17-Sep-13 18:10:55

The programme seems really ill-judged. I was watching the Hairy Bikers on the other side and they made a fantastic blackberry and apple steamed pus using very basic ingredients which would fill you up if you were short on meat and veg side of things. No great claims about budgets or plasma screens,

ubik Tue 17-Sep-13 18:11:43

Pus??? pud!

ubik Tue 17-Sep-13 18:15:45


And thanks for the funniest thread fir aaaages it's like the old days

ItIsKnown Tue 17-Sep-13 18:26:54

I am sniggering at Hully's Roman Polanski comebacks, but sorry for the poster who was upset by the horrible article she read thanks

mignonette Tue 17-Sep-13 18:55:34

One of the tastiest things I have ever eaten is my Mothers 'Mexican Chicken' which our housekeeper taught her when we lived in Central America. It is made with the left over chicken carcass and if you have some chicken thighs/wings/legs you can add those. All you do is brown a couple of onions adding a small pinch of chile powder or a half teaspoon of fresh chopped mild chile, till soft and starting to colour. Whilst this is happening place carcass in deep saucepan with enough water to cover, and add one stock cube, two chopped up carrots, salt and pepper. Simmer until all the meat has left the carcass (you might have to shred some of it off yourself), remove carcass and strain any bones out, keeping all the stock. Add the softened onion to this liquid.

Now if you are adding extra chicken bits add them to the pan that you softened the onions in. Brown the chicken bits all over then add to the liquid. Chop up two to three medium carrots and chuck into the chicken water. Bring to a slow simmer then add 3-4 medium peeled and chopped potatoes to the chicken liquid and add in a mug of rice and adjust water if it has evaporated too much to cover the contents. Simmer until rice is cooked, taste and adjust seasoning.

Makes a large pan full that is even better the next day. If you like chile add more and it is fine without for smaller children. If you want to add other herbs, go ahead- smoked Paprika is really good but the point of this is that it is rich and chicken-y even using just the carcass. Just add more rice to make it like a really thick stew. You can add other vegetables too. It works even if you need to add more water or more veg or more rice. Just chuck in a another cup of water the next day if you want to reheat and find it has gone very thick.

My kids, like I did, ask for this constantly.

Calloh Wed 18-Sep-13 12:52:14

Thank you ItIsKnown I probably did get my knickers in a bit of a twist about RP. Billy's come-backs made me laugh too.

Calloh Wed 18-Sep-13 12:52:26

Hully not Billy

Darkesteyes Thu 19-Sep-13 01:52:35

The brilliant J K Rowling Jamie Oliver take note!!


Mopswerver Thu 19-Sep-13 10:05:24

I think he is hated for putting his head over the parapet and having an opinion. There are always those who will feel like he's telling them what to do but I don't think anyone can deny that he has focused attention on healthier eating and to me it is undeniable the effect he has had on school meals. But I get it, all of us MN-ers knew it all anyway and didn't need to be told but maybe we needed reminding.

There is also the small matter of how many jobs he has created in this country which I think was stated on R4 as over 7000! He didn't need to start those '15' restaurants giving unemployed kids training. I'm sure he could have made the same or more money doing other things.

I happen to think he has a gift for connecting with people and for delivering a message (though after reading all the comments on here I'm no longer sure!)

His comments on the poor may be uncomfortable but in many cases they have a lot of truth in them and before you jump on me I come from a very poor background but my Mum was a brilliant cook and fed us handsomely on cheap cuts, pies, stews, lots of fruit and veg etc. I think the point he was trying to make has been misconstrued. He was trying to look at why people are losing the ability to cook & make a meal out of next to nothing. If no-one teaches you to cook then how will you learn?. He is campaigning for 'proper cookery' to be brought back in schools and I say "Bring it on" because taking in your own pizza base and throwing a few things on top does not constitute cooking IMO.

expatinscotland Thu 19-Sep-13 10:31:51

He's hated for being a twunt, and the only gift he has is for lining his pockets.

LaQueenForADay Thu 19-Sep-13 10:43:19

Jamie is fast becoming the Bono of the culinary world.

Mopswerver Thu 19-Sep-13 11:31:48

After becoming a multi-millionaire in his 20's he could have gone on a "drink 7 drugs fuelled bender", shagged everything in sight and basically done what many celebs have done before him. Instead he married his childhood sweetheart, had a family and created thousands of jobs, including for disadvantaged youngsters. At the same time he challenged the Govt and transformed the thinking on school meals. Yes, I can see why you hate him, the arsehole (rolls eyes).

mignonette Thu 19-Sep-13 12:19:30

Jack Monroe has a new weekly Guardian column! Am so happy for her.

Here is the first one.

Mop he didn't transform anything. Jeannette Orrey was the first to publicise it. JO has dropped that particular crusade because he doesn't understand the nature of social activism, that it is like eating an elephant- slowly w/ small bites. And of course that 'campaign' came attached to a TV show and book deals and media contracts that he personally profited from. He is no altruist nor a philanthropist.

mignonette Thu 19-Sep-13 12:20:11

Oh and there are thousands of celebrities who don't go on benders/shag about and who also do not make the ignorant, cruel and cynical comments JO made.

YouTheCat Thu 19-Sep-13 12:35:47

If you think school dinners are any better, you are wrong.

Mopswerver Thu 19-Sep-13 12:41:06

She may have been the first Mignon but it would have gone nowhere without him.

It appears that all his businesses contribute to The Jamie Oliver Foundation which is a registered charity and covers the 'Fifteen' stuff and other projects. More than many do I would say.

mignonette Thu 19-Sep-13 12:46:00

Mop Actually Mrs Orrey was effecting change and at a more sustainable pace. She has the greater credibility and paid a price for the hijacking of her initiative by the JO juggernaut.

There are huge numbers of celebrities quietly getting on with philanthropy. They just do not shout about it nor do they make nasty, disparaging remarks about people they actually demonstrate very little knowledge of.

And still nobody has defended Jo on his million pound contract w/ Sainsburys and the millions of pounds made from his ready meals and pre packaged foods (many of which were found to be high in salt) followed by his criticism of supermarkets, packaged foods and the people who buy them.

Vile cynical little hypocrite that he is.

ubik Thu 19-Sep-13 12:56:15

I'm interested in what Boffinmum? was saying upthread about the state run cafes of Britain.

Other countries.. well continents really, have a culture of street food which we don't have in the UK. They sell cheap filling healthy food to all and sundry, to judges and rickshaw workers, to children and the elderly. There was a programme on Radio 4 the other day about Singaporean street food set up to ensure most working people were able to get a decent meal.

I'm really not sure this whole JO appeal to 'mama in the kitchen cooking meals for the family', really is how life is lived in other countries/on other continents particularly in the cities when whole families are working.

What street food we do have is either wanky stalls charging a fortune or your standard friend egg roll/bacon butty van -( which I happen to think is an absolutely fine lunch)

Mopswerver Thu 19-Sep-13 12:56:19

I Don't buy it. It would have taken years for her to get any attention but I suppose that's more noble. From where I'm sitting she has carved out a pretty lucrative career for herself thanks to all the publicitytoo. Good luck to her. She deserves it.

Don't get the anger at all. There are really awful celebs out there who sit back, suck it all up and give nothing back. Whatever you feel he has done to betray the poor (depends on how you interpret his comments) he has and is trying. So he's made some errors in your opinion. Who hasn't?
I'm guessing he would have to don a hair shirt, give all he has plus every penny he earns in the future to please you. He's not doing that he's just doing something. Quite a lot actually. Makes you wonder why people like him bother.

YouTheCat Thu 19-Sep-13 12:58:30

All he needs to do is stop flapping those huge lips on subjects he knows little or nothing about.

That would do for a start.

Darkesteyes Thu 19-Sep-13 13:58:57

Mopswerver Jamie has shown vitriol towards lots of groups of people And i cant help noticing that you are not the only poster harking back to the past with rose tinted glasses.
a. Experiencing poverty as a child you were protected from it somewhat by your parents. Its the worrying they probably did but that you didnt see because they protected you from it gives you a rose coloured view of that time.
b. Back then there were no zero hours contracts or workfare.
c. IF Jamie had referred to ethnic minorites instead of poor people there would have been a HUUUUGE outcry.
He made sure that he picked the same prejudice.
He picked the safer inverted racism as well in his references to British workers.

Racism is abhorrent whichever group its aimed at and that includes social racism.

Darkesteyes Thu 19-Sep-13 13:59:58

Sorry that should be He made sure that he picked the SAFE prejudice.

mignonette Thu 19-Sep-13 14:02:33

Mop He keeps on making those nasty comments though doesn't he? Then makes a mealy mouther apology on here, THEN repeats it all.

No, he needn't don a hair shirt. All he needs to do is as You so neatly put it. Shut up w/ the ignorant social commentary (really just his opinion, not researched analysis) and cook.

Darkesteyes Thu 19-Sep-13 14:05:28

YY mignon eg after the webchat on here he went on Radio 4 and simply swapped flatscreen telly for iphone.
And on same webchat he admitted that his book wasnt aimed at poor people and said there were great mumsnet threads for that.
So why bring poor people into it at all if its not aimed at them.

The fuckwit

LayMizzRarb Thu 19-Sep-13 14:12:57

I think Walls should use his lips as an image for their next marketing campaign.
My DH calls him 'that tosser with the sausage lips'

limitedperiodonly Thu 19-Sep-13 14:36:15

I keep meaning to leave these threads alone but I'm drawn to them like a fly to shit.

He is a weapons grade cunt.

Bakingnovice Thu 19-Sep-13 14:47:00

Mop are you jules?

JustBecauseICan Thu 19-Sep-13 14:56:54

grin at Bakingnovice.

Didn't he get into trouble for thinking it's perfectly acceptable for the Fifteen staff to work 98 hours a week or something? Just because his Dad had him peeling the tatties when he was a lad?


Mopswerver Thu 19-Sep-13 15:16:30

ha ha, no. If I had her money I wouldn't be wasting my time on here. I just think there are worse pariahs out there and his efforts may be ill judged at times but I applaud them. Darksteyes nope. Haven't got a clue what you're on about.

mignonette Thu 19-Sep-13 15:50:16

His Father and the pub are facing an employment tribunal soon for constructive or unfair dismissal, cannot recall which.

fatlazymummy Thu 19-Sep-13 17:28:11

School dinners were great when I was at school - meat, potatoes and veg, sponge and custard, seconds for anyone who was still hungry. And not a single fat kid.
I don't really understand why they were changed in the 1st place.

expatinscotland Thu 19-Sep-13 17:33:29

'I don't really understand why they were changed in the 1st place.'

Privatised and put out to cheapest bidder.

fatlazymummy Thu 19-Sep-13 17:42:45

Yeah, I'm sure you're right Expat. It's a bit sad though when you realise that for some children their free school dinner may be their only meal of the day. The menus I've seen wouldn't really fill anyone up for very long.

Owllady Thu 19-Sep-13 17:46:36

when i read the title I thought he was the new advertising face for frey bentos pies

buandnu8 Wed 25-Sep-13 18:36:59

hello, i thought i was the only one to find fault with mr Jamie fingers in soooo many pies Oliver. i used to think he was great, fighting the small mans cause, real food, ethics etc BUT was shocked and said to see how his website is full of links to supermarkets (ocado)!!! mmmm money saving! and banks advertising. PLUS how many businesses has he got!!! Why is he not supporting the local shops, the small uk farmers, the businesses that really need his help? He's up there as an example and that example is all about greed, money and selling his soul to the marketing companies and FAT CAT Supermarkets... very very sad!

ILoveTomHardy Wed 25-Sep-13 19:45:17

I wouldn't mind him banging on about healthy food and school dinners etc if his Jamie's Italian restaurants weren't so vile.

Went to the one in Nottingham on Saturday having been to others previously (not my choice of restaurant but for birthdays of friends etc).

The service was dire. Waited an hour for starters and another hour for the mains. The starters were ok but the mains were awful. My DP'ss DD had chicken lollipops which were basically manky chicken on what looked like a long toothpick and five chips. Yes five.

My lasagne was burnt on the top and sloppy inside. My DP's tagliatelle bolognese was a mound of dry pasta with maybe a tablespoon of sauce.

The main courses were, in short, disgusting. Will never eat there again while I have got a hole in my arse.

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