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AIBU for thinking offices that use flexitime only exist in alternate realities?

(34 Posts)
HollyShort Tue 10-Sep-13 22:54:53

Because 8 - 4 is somehow less hours at work than 10 - 6?

I'm back working in an office that allegedly operates flexitime, I prefer to come in early and leave early. As a regular 4 leaver I always check and always stay if others want to go early - this means I stay till 5 on a Friday most weeks. But the 10 - 6ers are bitching as they obviously put it more hours than me every day! Of course they swan in every day at 10 (core hours we need to cover begin at 9) but never check that someone will be in to cover. So I'm frequently the only person covering that hour. But no I am being a very unreasonable slacker as they're in the office till 6 most nights.

So AIBU?

eretrew Tue 10-Sep-13 23:00:42

This is just part of the problem with flexitime as a who;e, the place I used to work operated it and was a right mess at times with people squabbling amongst themselves over who gets certain hours. Far better to just have a 9-5 workforce, I see no benefit to a company for offering flexitime.

HollyShort Tue 10-Sep-13 23:05:23

What really annoys me is I want to start early and they want to start late, theoretically everything should be perfect. But it's not.

I might start doing 10-6 then we can see what happens when the shit hits the fan at no one covering the first hour. But it's so bloody childish.

RobotHamster Tue 10-Sep-13 23:09:59

What do you say when they start bitching? I had the same thing with a colleague who worked later hours, always moaning that I was skiving off early. Had to point out my working hours to her and when we worked it out it turned out she was doing less hours than me!

HollyShort Tue 10-Sep-13 23:15:09

They tend to just squeal about how they are in till 6 every night, the big boss intervened once but they won't bloody have it. It's like hammering my head against a wall.

Of course is flexitime does get removed then they'll scream even louder as they like a lie in.

Jinsei Tue 10-Sep-13 23:16:32

Maybe suggest that you need some sort of rota to cover outside core hours? They might shut up when they realise that you're doing all the early starts!

We have a rota to cover the end of the day. No need for one at the start of the day, as everyone wants to start early anyway!

Jinsei Tue 10-Sep-13 23:18:31

Oh, and there are benefits to the employer from using flexi time, if people don't take the piss. It makes a big difference to employees, and happy staff means more work gets done!

RobotHamster Tue 10-Sep-13 23:21:20

Try doing 7-3, they hate it grin

WafflyVersatile Tue 10-Sep-13 23:21:30

Are the times needing covered from 9-5 and people can do 8-4 or 10-6 and all times inbetween?

In which case why are you checking at 4pm, rather than just leaving? And why is it your responsibility to stay until 6 if they're not in the mood? If you can't be in at 8am one day do you say 'someone will need to be in at 9 tomorrow?

RobotHamster Tue 10-Sep-13 23:22:45

Yy, happy staff with flexible hours that they can fit around life are much more likely to be loyal to the company, work harder etc. Bit of give and take goes a very long way. Huge benefit to employers.

Mumoftwoyoungkids Tue 10-Sep-13 23:25:26

It works really well where I work. In my team I would do 9 - 6, someone else did 7 - 4 and someone else 10 - 7. I was happy cos it fitted in with nursery and I don't commute. The other 2 commuted so missed the traffic one way or the other.

There was once a rather amusing incident where a (very late starter) boss arrived at the same time as one of his (very early starter) team members. "oh hello X" he said " I thought you were having the morning off"
"I did!" said X.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I've worked in three of them.
I just found reminding people consistently of the hours I worked got the message home.

MsVestibule Tue 10-Sep-13 23:30:38

Very sloppy management. The manager of your team needs to ensure that there are enough people to cover 9-10, just just hope it happens.

TBH, I'm a bit confused by the attitude of the rest of your team. When they complain, have you asked them if they want to do 8-4 instead? WRT Fridays, how come you don't leave until 5? Does the rest of your team start at 8 so they can leave at 4 on that day?

WafflyVersatile Tue 10-Sep-13 23:31:05

just keep saying 'you can leave at 4 if you start at 8.' 'No? Didn't think so.'

BackforGood Tue 10-Sep-13 23:32:09

Yes, YABU - they exist all over the place. Just because you have a couple of people in your office who like a moan, doesn't in anyway equate to "offices that use flexitime only exist{ing} in alternate realities"

There is a great deal of benefit to an office manager offering flexible worktime, as other have stated.

HollyShort Tue 10-Sep-13 23:36:03

That's it Waffly. I think I might broach the rota idea and see if I can get it through their thick skulls.

Only been working in that dept for a month so I have no idea what went on before. Teams have been cut and there was probably more of a balance of people doing more varied hours so it quelled things a bit.

On a positive note it's encouraging me to get my business off the ground so I can leave and don't need to deal with this crap anymore!

TidyDancer Tue 10-Sep-13 23:47:06

I have flexitime in my office. I am management level and have found that no one takes the piss. It's mainly because the office is core hours 10-4 but hours covered need to be 9-5. You are either on the rota to do an early shift (have to start at 9 but can leave at 4) or you do the late one (10-5). Most of my staff are in before 9 anyway (as they can clock from 8 onwards). If someone needs to pick up a child or have a personal appointment they can arrange that on the rota.

It works but only because of the rota. I think I'd have major problems if I didn't do it this way.

TheFarSide Tue 10-Sep-13 23:53:38

The problem is not the flexitime but the childishness of your colleagues.

I have never experienced these problems in almost 20 years of flexible working in three different organisations.

Flexible working benefits all of us but especially women with childcare responsibilities.

PorkPieandPickle Wed 11-Sep-13 08:37:15

Opposite way round in our office, the 8-4 lot are always slagging off the 10-6 lot. we are a large team, and there is plenty of cover at both ends of the day, but because we choose start later we are constantly called lazy by our colleagues. Derisive comments when I come in at 10 are 'we've been her for hours, you should get up earlier' and worse 'you won't be able to sleep in when the babies born' (I'm 6m pregnant) I LOVE flexi time, the system is ace, hut i hate people's attitudes towards it, it makes me miserable sad

KatyaRachmanova Wed 11-Sep-13 08:41:22

Yeah, the problem is your colleagues not flexi-time.

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat Wed 11-Sep-13 11:44:54

I've only ever worked in flexitime offices (16 years now) and have never experienced this kind of problem either - seriously, it's down to bad management, they need to be reinforcing to all staff that people who come in at 8 are entitled to leave at 4 (or whatever the shift pattern is). They also need to be reinforcing the message that they will be dealing with any pisstakers (and actually DO deal with them), so the times that people choose to work are not the concern of their colleagues.

I've also never worked anywhere which had a rota either, so I don't think one is necessary to ensure that flexitime works.

Your colleagues need to grow up and and your managers need to grow some spine - you probably know that though, OP smile

Kerosene Wed 11-Sep-13 12:05:23

It's not flexitime that's the problem, it's your colleagues being prats. I've only worked in flexitime offices, no rotas, and it's always worked well enough. Only place I've seen it cause issues was when the manager of another team had a thing for presenteeism - they were the first ones in and the last ones out, but got sod all work done and were roiling with resentment.

Occasionally had comments, but they tend to decline my offer to join me at 7:45 and shut up afterwards.

Chunderella Wed 11-Sep-13 12:05:59

Eretrew there can be loads of advantages to offering flexitime. For one thing, it means you have cover for longer. I've never really used it much when I worked in offices that had it, but the fact that people did meant that we could offer appointments to clients outside 9-5 (I'm a solicitor, so that was helpful for clients who were doing normal office hours themselves). That's one great big fuckoff positive right there. Obviously flexitime doesn't suit every business or office, but it works well for some.

gordyslovesheep Wed 11-Sep-13 12:21:03

We have a Rota to ensure we are covered 9-5 we have one duty worker (me today 9-1) and one office support person morning and after noon. Like you op I like doing 8-4 but Mondays I do duty till 5...my flexi time is healthy though grin

MaBumble Wed 11-Sep-13 12:29:53

The cause of grumbles can depend on the nature of the work. For example,in my team we cover support for the uk and south america. which means if its going to get busy, it gets busy in the afternoon. when the early birds are packing up to go home.

We have a couple of people who prefer to come in early, some who want 9-5 and some who want 10-6.

I make sure the early birds have some particular role to fulfill (like attending regular morning meetings) and if the others then decide to bitch about them,I offer them the choice of coming in early (getting out of their warm bed too soon/rearranging child care) and attending the boring, but necessary, morning meetings. And if the early birds moan about the later ones, they get offered the late shift (getting home for tea late/re-arranging child care) and the afternoon help desk job.

They both tend to STFU smile

onlytheonce Wed 11-Sep-13 12:35:40

Do people really have nothing better to moan about? Wherever I've worked I've always found that it is the people who moan the most who take the piss the most as well.

BarbarianMum Wed 11-Sep-13 12:43:07

Flexi time and flexi days and flexi just about anything is the norm where I work and its never been a problem. I don't keep a track of what hours my colleagues work and would be quite startled if anyone commented on mine.

We all know what everybody is paid too, so maybe it is an unusual place to work.

I had the opposite experience in the last proper office I worked in -I used to turn up at 9.30 (I'm not a morning person) and all the 8am starters were having little digs about how the had already done a mornings work. They forgot they used to bugger off at 4pm whilst I was there until 6.30 or later every night. As far as they were concerned nothing happened after they went home

Strangely it used to be the lower grades who moaned not the managers. I suppose they were as a group, more likely to be clock watchers and unfulfilled in their jobs.

samuraispider Wed 11-Sep-13 12:56:24

You need to develop teflon shoulders.

I used to get the same (but started and finished late). I just used to ignore the comments. I swiped in and out and surprise surprise did more than enough hours each week.

As long as the boss is happy who cares?

SuperConfused Wed 11-Sep-13 18:05:30

I've never experienced this, but we don't have to 'cover' anything- I've never worked in a part of the organisations that would need to answer calls or anything. We have flexi working and remote working and nobody complains or takes the piss. We do have to record our hours every day, and in a previous job people actually checked in so maybe that provides a certain reassurance that someone's checking.

Definitely think you should get management involved over setting up a rota system if people definitely need to be there outside core hours.

Scholes34 Wed 11-Sep-13 18:44:21

My previous boss ran an office where people signed in and out daily on a chart on the wall of the office, so everyone could see who was where and when and how many hours they'd clocked up. Definitely stops grumbles.

jacks365 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:02:28

My last place worked a rota for early starts and late finishes as the phones had to be manned 8-6 but core hours were 9.30-4.30. If you were on rota it was your responsibility to find a replacement if you couldn't do it. Give the moaning lot a few times of finding someone to cover their 8 starts and they'll soon shut up.

catgirl1976 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:10:06

We don't have any flexi time

Or TOIL

You could work and extra 25 hours in a week (unpaid) but still have to make up 10 minutes if you were late back from lunch

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