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to ask how you would vote if there was a General Election tomorrow?

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coco87 Tue 10-Sep-13 14:28:44

Ok, now I don't like any of the parties at the moment and they seem to be very similar (red Tories/blue Labour etc).

However, if there was a GE tomorrow I would vote Lib Dems because my local MP is Lib Dem and is really good, listens to voters and has done a lot of good work for the area. I don't rate them at a national level and don't agree with most of their policies but locally my MP (who just happens to be Lib Dem) is definitely the best choice.

Who would you vote for if there was a GE tomorrow?

Manchesterhistorygirl Tue 10-Sep-13 14:29:21

Labour because my local MP is brilliant at what he does.

BuskersCat Tue 10-Sep-13 14:30:41

Labour. I voted LibDem as a student in the last election and feel absolutely shafted, I will never ever vote for them again, no matter who is the party leader. The tories are cunts. That leaves me with the only viable choice, Labour.

Though I do vote Green in the locals

MumOfTheMoos Tue 10-Sep-13 14:31:08

Lib Dem

Squitten Tue 10-Sep-13 14:33:18

I voted LibDem last time and they have appalled me in the coalition so I'm not doing that again. Definitely not Tories. Most definitely not UKIP. We are currently Labour here and I like our MP so, despite feeling distinctly uneasy about what exactly they are standing for at the moment, I think it would be Labour.

Like Buskers I would like to vote Green at the local elections

WestieMamma Tue 10-Sep-13 14:35:21

Where I live (not UK) ballot papers have a blank box at the bottom. You can use this box to put forward and vote for someone not listed. If enough people put the same name down that person is given the opportunity to take up the position they've won. We've had a few politicians elected this way. The downside is that if Donald Duck took up all the seats he won, we'd be living in a dictatorship grin

WestieMamma Tue 10-Sep-13 14:35:24

Where I live (not UK) ballot papers have a blank box at the bottom. You can use this box to put forward and vote for someone not listed. If enough people put the same name down that person is given the opportunity to take up the position they've won. We've had a few politicians elected this way. The downside is that if Donald Duck took up all the seats he won, we'd be living in a dictatorship grin

WestieMamma Tue 10-Sep-13 14:35:25

Where I live (not UK) ballot papers have a blank box at the bottom. You can use this box to put forward and vote for someone not listed. If enough people put the same name down that person is given the opportunity to take up the position they've won. We've had a few politicians elected this way. The downside is that if Donald Duck took up all the seats he won, we'd be living in a dictatorship grin

WestieMamma Tue 10-Sep-13 14:36:21

Yikes, that wasn't supposed to happen.

ziggiestardust Tue 10-Sep-13 14:36:27

Hmm. I don't think I'd like to see Ed Miliband running the country! He's so wishy washy.

I'd vote Conservative I think, because of my business.

ziggiestardust Tue 10-Sep-13 14:36:27

Hmm. I don't think I'd like to see Ed Miliband running the country! He's so wishy washy.

I'd vote Conservative I think, because of my business.

Youhaventseenme Tue 10-Sep-13 14:36:45

Conservatives, because Labour got us into this mess, and there is no way I want them to get a sniff of power until this country is back on some sort of even footing.

I wouldn't be a natural Conservative, but I can still remember Gordon Brown saying no more boom and bust.

He also sold off our gold reserves and now look at the price of gold, it is at an all time high.

ziggiestardust Tue 10-Sep-13 14:37:00

Oh sorry, didn't mean to post twice! Not sure how that happened.

FreudiansSlipper Tue 10-Sep-13 14:42:05

Labour

though i want a change of leader

PatPig Tue 10-Sep-13 14:48:22

They are all a shower of shit.

GibberTheMonkey Tue 10-Sep-13 14:50:58

I honestly don't know
Another ex lib dem voter
Sad really because I think they might have done a reasonable job if they had got in on their own

YouTheCat Tue 10-Sep-13 14:51:39

Labour.

Our MP is great.

ShadeofViolet Tue 10-Sep-13 14:52:51

Our local Labour MP is very good at what he does.

However I too want a change of leadership, which makes it difficult to vote Labour. Yvette Cooper would get my vote in a shot.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 14:54:19

Labour. I have no wish to see Labour running the country, I think Milliband is an absolute disaster, however, I want a change in narrative and that isn't going to be achieved any other way. I do wish we still had a real Labour Party.

BalloonSlayer Tue 10-Sep-13 14:55:10

Def Labour

A vote for the LibDems turned out to be a vote for the Conservatives in the last election.

I think the Lib Dems have had it now, because of that.

Feminine Tue 10-Sep-13 14:56:20

Ronald McDonald!

TheVermiciousKnid Tue 10-Sep-13 14:56:24

Labour. And yes, pretty much what Dawndonnaagain said...

JaquelineHyde Tue 10-Sep-13 14:57:08

Labour

HavantGuard Tue 10-Sep-13 14:58:15

Not the current lot because the Conservatives are appalling and the Lib Dems are the reason they're being allowed to do it.

Labour, if they lose Milliband and get a proper leader. Most days he's insipid and ineffectual. When he has had the odd moment where he's done well he's like Kinnock without the passion.

Green. I know they are hugely unlikely to get in, but I agree with much of what they say so it makes sense to me to vote for them.

dreamingofsun Tue 10-Sep-13 14:58:59

conservative as they are starting to get us out of the mess that labour got us into. despite the 'help' of lib dems who are nutcases.

HavantGuard Tue 10-Sep-13 14:59:42

Andy Burnham would be good.

queenofdrama Tue 10-Sep-13 15:03:10

Labour. Not Ed though. I think it's time for a lady PM.

PhantomMenace Tue 10-Sep-13 15:04:24

I'd vote UKIP if they were a viable party, which atm they are not. As a fall back it would have to be the conservatives, there is something very unlikeable about Milliband.

PhantomMenace Tue 10-Sep-13 15:04:38

I'd vote UKIP if they were a viable party, which atm they are not. As a fall back it would have to be the conservatives, there is something very unlikeable about Milliband.

TrueStory Tue 10-Sep-13 15:04:38

I'll never forgive Labour for their self-proclaimed (by Mandelson) provocative immigration policies. I think Labour had a historical role but I also think they are finished for now - they have no leadership, no policies and nothing to say.

TrueStory Tue 10-Sep-13 15:04:54

I'll never forgive Labour for their self-proclaimed (by Mandelson) provocative immigration policies. I think Labour had a historical role but I also think they are finished for now - they have no leadership, no policies and nothing to say.

comingalongnicely Tue 10-Sep-13 15:08:52

UKIP, the rest have had their chances...

Milliband is an absolute gormless arse, the UK would be laughed off the face of the planet if we elected that twat to run us....

angelos02 Tue 10-Sep-13 15:15:46

No idea - all parties seem to be much of a muchness.

I wouldn't leave Milliband in charge of a paper bag.

NotYoMomma Tue 10-Sep-13 15:19:24

Labour

Retropear Tue 10-Sep-13 15:19:53

Hmmm tough question.

I know who I won't vote for -libdems(utterly shafted + CB issue), conservative are anti sahp + CB issue and just sort the rich out,labour would be financial suicide sooooooo.....

ideas please!

SilverOldie Tue 10-Sep-13 15:34:54

Without a doubt Conservatives. It would be a disaster if Labour got back in to screw up the country yet again.

crescentmoon Tue 10-Sep-13 15:35:53

I'd vote labour if it was ed balls as leader- he's been quiet recently but I liked how he rattled David Cameron at times last year- definitely not ed milliband the mannequin. But I'd probably throw my vote as I always do by choosing the Green Party.

I'm a Lib Dem but I would vote Labour as they are more likely to win round here.

HavantGuard Tue 10-Sep-13 15:59:37

I curse Ed Balls' parental grandfather on a regular basis. If he'd dropped the S from his surname his grandson could be a party leader, maybe prime minister.

HappyMummyOfOne Tue 10-Sep-13 16:04:30

Conservative, Labour just threw money at people to buy votes.

At least the current lot have introduced some good policies and are very much for self responsibility rather than the benefit culture that labour created. Not gone far enough, but a good start in the right direction.

cantspel Tue 10-Sep-13 16:06:52

Conservative

Anyone who wants to vote green should go and have a look that the greens are making of Brighton. It might just change your mind.

No bloody idea. I'd spoil my ballot I reckon.

GingerBlackAndOriental Tue 10-Sep-13 16:11:44

Labour.

Takingbackmonday Tue 10-Sep-13 16:15:10

UKIP

AnotherWorld Tue 10-Sep-13 16:56:56

Honestly I have no idea

I usually vote lib dem. Could never vote labour - and the conservatives make my skin crawl.

Wish there was another option. This charge one way - then charge back the other has to stop.

So I would agonise about it - then vote Lib dem. My vote would make NO difference however as I live in a safe Tory seat.

TSSDNCOP Tue 10-Sep-13 17:09:29

Conservative

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 17:16:57

Those that vote UKIP, have you read their policies? You'd really vote for bringing back hanging, the removal of the human rights act (that means yours as well as 'theirs') and the putting disabled people in places equivalent to the workhouse. No integration in schools or in public?
What are their education policies?
For heaven's sake, can you not see that most of what is spun about Europe is a myth, that what Putin said about us is true and that we need, yes need Europe to survive?

JerseySpud Tue 10-Sep-13 17:17:42

Conservatives. They are just trying to pick their way out of the shit storm that Labour got everyone in to.

SHarri13 Tue 10-Sep-13 17:24:18

Green or else I'd spoil my vote.

SHarri13 Tue 10-Sep-13 17:25:24

Cantspel, anyone voting Tory should go and see, oh wait, all of the UK and see what a great job they are doing wink

galletti Tue 10-Sep-13 17:27:25

Labour

galletti Tue 10-Sep-13 17:27:34

Labour

gordyslovesheep Tue 10-Sep-13 17:29:18

Labour

OldLadyKnowsNothing Tue 10-Sep-13 17:31:30

Glad I have the option to vote SNP. Could never vote Tory, haven't voted Labour since slimey Tony took over, LibDems are not impressive atm, don't know if UKIP would even stand in my constituency...

Teeb Tue 10-Sep-13 17:40:03

Labour, as I have every other year.

ilovebabytv Tue 10-Sep-13 17:42:35

SNP

Rooners Tue 10-Sep-13 17:46:32

Labour. The tories are dismantling the NHS, and schools, and benefits.

If you want to end up paying to see a doctor at the point of need, then by all means go with the tories...if you want sick people to have no safety net then go with the tories.

I do wonder what people will do in 2015.

FlapJackFlossie Tue 10-Sep-13 17:46:43

My God, some people have short memories! Remember Gordon Brown.....who could forget the damage he did. A lot of people obviously !

Rooners Tue 10-Sep-13 17:47:11

Actually Scotland is looking great from down here. I think I might move.

Rooners Tue 10-Sep-13 17:47:58

Gordon Brown was an aberration. The policies remain far more humanitarian than conservative ones.

MrsApplepants Tue 10-Sep-13 17:49:34

Conservative

JerseySpud Tue 10-Sep-13 17:51:39

We do pay to see a GP here.

And its a much better system. People don't go to the Doctors for any little thing, you get an appointment that day, and the GP service is far better because you are paying for it.

Everyone has a safety net because you can have an account with the doctors and pay it off slowly. Also if you are income support you can get increased payments if you have a life long condition. We also have no prescription charges.

pixwix Tue 10-Sep-13 17:55:11

Labour.

Rooners Tue 10-Sep-13 17:55:43

Increased payments? Could you clarify, I assume that's a typo?

I honestly don't know. If the Lib Dems had stuck to their principles then them, but they didnt and I felt betrayed. Can't stand Tory or Labour and no Green candidate around here. I feel completely unrepresented at the moment.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 17:58:46

Conservative.

TheOpposibleThumb Tue 10-Sep-13 18:01:27

SNP. Thank God I don't have to choose any of the English parties.

eretrew Tue 10-Sep-13 18:02:24

Lib Dem

DrinkFromMyFountain Tue 10-Sep-13 18:03:25

Conservative 100%. Labour fucked us over once, I'm sure as hell not going to vote for them to do it again!

pooka Tue 10-Sep-13 18:05:20

Labour.

Lib dem used to be my "anyone but Tory" local vote (live in very conservative area). But i shan't be doing that again.

Silverfoxballs Tue 10-Sep-13 18:05:28

I'm Lib dem, though it makes me feel kinda dirty.

OatcakeCravings Tue 10-Sep-13 18:05:59

SNP

FlapJackFlossie Tue 10-Sep-13 18:08:49

Oh, how I wish Screaming Lord Sutch was still alive grin

BrokenSunglasses Tue 10-Sep-13 18:13:39

Conservative

crescentmoon Tue 10-Sep-13 18:19:52

Oh yeah screaming lord sutch and his Monster Raving Loony party! The party died after his death didnt it?

What difference would taking the s off ed balls make? Is it an undignified name for a pm do you think? I just think hope the NHS can still be recovered by the next election and the changes haven't passed the point of no return. The tories are doing everything to distract away from the very real dismantling of it, but ed miliband will never be the man to challenge them on that.
i also read once somewhere that Scottish people don't trust the name Cameron? Is that true and why? (Or was it Campbell?)

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 10-Sep-13 18:20:24

Labour.

DiseasesOfTheSheep Tue 10-Sep-13 18:22:14

Tory because it makes sense to me.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Tue 10-Sep-13 18:22:49
JerseySpud Tue 10-Sep-13 18:24:02

So i meant increased income support payments. I'm in Jersey, we have our own goverment but are under the crown. So different benefits system.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Tue 10-Sep-13 18:24:36
LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 10-Sep-13 18:29:38

They're all shite, well the major parties anyway.

Ideally Green, but obviously it'd be a wasted vote, so I'd have to go Labour. The Lib Dems are dead in the water. And the Tories can all go to hell in the handcart they're trying to take the NHS/arts/schools/everything else it's worth having a society for to hell in.

AWeeBitConfused Tue 10-Sep-13 18:31:00

SNP

quinkstink Tue 10-Sep-13 18:33:47

Labour

arkestra Tue 10-Sep-13 18:34:00

Would vote Labour, as I have done all my voting life, but have promised myself not to if Ed Balls is Shadow Chancellor at the time. I just think his being there is an expression of absolute intellectual bankruptcy on the economic front. I don't mind Ed Milliband so much actually.

So Lib Dem then for me I guess shock

slapandpickle Tue 10-Sep-13 18:35:17

Depends on the MP. Have lived in a few diff areas - if Eastbourne libdem no question, the MP is fantastic bloke who cares about his constituents and campaigns for disabled people, one of the rare good guys. Have lived in Battle and pointless voting there as useless sex scandal Tory MP gets something like a 70% majority every time. Currently seriously wavering - sitting Tory MP and only viable competition is labour whom I am not keen on either. could never vote tory after what this govt have done and not keen on lib dems as a whole again due to coalition. UKIP racist and insane. May spoil ballot paper.

If I lived in Brighton Pavilion would def vote Caroline Lucas :D Green if viable would be my vote of choice. Roll on proportional representation!

BMW6 Tue 10-Sep-13 18:37:06

Conservative.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful Tue 10-Sep-13 18:37:31

Honestly don't know, I've always voted lib dem.

I have a feeling it would be conservatives for me, which feels seriously odd.

Lorelai Tue 10-Sep-13 18:37:34

I'd vote Lib Dem, as previously, mainly because we have a Tory MP, and Labour only get about 4% of the vote here, so the only way to get the Tories out is to vote Lib Dem.

happycrimblechuckie Tue 10-Sep-13 18:37:53

I would vote Labour as I have done all my life until I fell for Cleggie's backstabbing ways last time, I was so impressed by him and Vince Cable I was blind to the fact that he could think of siding with Compo to form this ass face of a government we have now, I was sure he would go with Labour. The only reason I changed was because of the Student fees and look what the twats have done to our Universities. I hate this Govern,ent and that is that!

picnicbasketcase Tue 10-Sep-13 18:39:14

Labour. I can't believe anyone would still vote Conservative when they're doing their level best to destroy everything we should be proud of in this country, not to mention ruining people's lives. I guess anyone who would must be either very rich or very old and nothing they're doing is making any difference to them.

ravenAK Tue 10-Sep-13 18:40:47

Labour. Always. Only way to turf the tories.

crescentmoon Tue 10-Sep-13 18:41:28

Thanks oldlady read through all of that actually. Followed the links to read about who the cameronians and Jacobites were too! Fascinating and sad story.

DrinkFromMyFountain Tue 10-Sep-13 18:45:01

picnic they are getting us out of the recession confused what do you suggest?

Lorialet Tue 10-Sep-13 18:47:24

UKIP.

ziggiestardust Tue 10-Sep-13 18:48:37

Whoever got in power after Labour/Gordon Brown was going to have to make some pretty unpopular policies, IMHO.

hardboiledpossum Tue 10-Sep-13 18:48:55

Green or labour.

dreamingofsun Tue 10-Sep-13 18:49:01

drinkfrom - i imagine picnic wants them to give more handouts to people. she obviously doesn't care for the LT or what sort of legacy we are leaving our children as long as we have ST gain and lots of handouts

PrimalLass Tue 10-Sep-13 18:49:06

SNP.

I have voted Lib Dem all my live, when I was in Ming Campbells's constituency. Am now in Gordon Brown's and he can't seem to turn up to Westminster these days.

The Tories make me want to weep.

TidyDancer Tue 10-Sep-13 18:50:06

Labour.

May have considered LD until they got in bed with the Tories and then they became a no way never option.

Though I am not a Miliband fan.

CharityFunDay Tue 10-Sep-13 18:50:44

Labour, with misgivings.

PrimalLass Tue 10-Sep-13 18:50:47

Although have just finished Riders and Rivals and I would vote for Rupert C-B even though he was a Tory.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 18:51:12

picnic I am neither very rich, nor very old

MamaMary Tue 10-Sep-13 18:51:32

Conservative. Can't stand them, but Labour and Lib Dems are even worse and Ed Miliband is a wet blanket.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Tue 10-Sep-13 18:52:08

crescentmoon, you read further than me then! grin Had a quick glance through, but I learned the story from my father, as a child (in broad outline, not fine detail) so I knew what I was looking for. Glencoe still has a "broody" feel to it. <woo>

Will end derail here.

JerseySpud Tue 10-Sep-13 18:52:31

What do you all suggest the Tories do at the moment? Labour spent their way into extreme debt and didn't do much to get the country out of the recession apart from throw money they didn't have at things. No matter what the Tories do now its not going to be popular.

Money has to be saved from somewhere.

Should say, wouldn't vote Tory even with a gun to my head. Why vote for a party who are happy to demonise me and people like me?

FannyFifer Tue 10-Sep-13 18:54:53

SNP.
I would really struggle to vote if I lived in England, would vote Plaid in Wales.
Would prob have to be Green if i lived down south.

PrimalLass Tue 10-Sep-13 18:54:54

What do you all suggest the Tories do at the moment? Labour spent their way into extreme debt and didn't do much to get the country out of the recession apart from throw money they didn't have at things. No matter what the Tories do now its not going to be popular.

I would suggest that they don't take it from the poorest in society when it is the richest that made the mess.

TrueStory Tue 10-Sep-13 19:04:02

re. Ed Milliband. Just an aside, doesn't anyone think its strange that he took on his brother in a Labour leadership contest? I mean really very peculiar. And even more odd that the Labour Party old guard/politicos did not advise them strongly against it? Overall I found it very strange ...

I do compare Milliband and his predecessor Blair, unfavourably with the old "real" Labour of trade union bastions and municipal socialism/social reform. Though the LP had their major faults, at least they had some sense of reality about them, and they once had to graft for a living, at least most of them.

The Labour Party is trying to change yet again to appeal to voters. I guess it could work if everyone could forget Blair's legacy. But I doubt I ever will.

Sorry for ramble ...

pindorasbox Tue 10-Sep-13 19:05:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 19:08:30

I too would suggest the same as Primal, I'd also suggest they stop sending their nasty, malicious little narrative to the papers. Benefits scroungers are very few and Disabled people are not all benefits scroungers. I'd stop the divisions that are being drawn between the deserving and undeserving poor and point to real issues of equity, the rich are getting richer, the poor more so, fairly typical under a tory government. The real narrative is that Osbourne et al have an I'm alright Jack attitude but by sleight of hand and misdirection, only the few are picking up on this.

JessePinkmansBitch Tue 10-Sep-13 19:08:48

Labour, although my local Labour MP would make a far better prime minister than Ed Miliband, she's fab.

picnicbasketcase Tue 10-Sep-13 19:10:42

Absolutely agree, Primal.

And it's got nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting 'handouts', taking benefits away from disabled people who rely on them is despicable, as is creating a society when families can become reliant on food banks to feed their children. Don't imply that I'm a scrounger just because I disagree with you.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 19:11:46

Is anyone doing a tally?

Actually OP that should be your job smile

Topseyt Tue 10-Sep-13 19:12:10

I always vote, even though that means that I register a protest vote more often than not.

I don't like any of them at the moment.

I'd vote Monster Raving Loony if I got the opportunity. Good as any. Failing that then maybe UKIP?

Personally, I do wonder why we don't have a section on the ballot paper labelled "none of the above", to give people who want it a proper chance of kicking all main parties up the arse.

dinosaursarebisexual Tue 10-Sep-13 19:14:01

I'll know I've gone fucking insane the day I vote Tory. Pathetic excuse for Labour for me. If only John Smith hadn't died. Sigh.

ThePinkOcelot Tue 10-Sep-13 19:15:39

BNP

coffeeinbed Tue 10-Sep-13 19:18:57

I have no idea.
can't find anyone I would want to vote for at all!

littlemisssarcastic Tue 10-Sep-13 19:22:00

Monster Raving Looney party. Failing that, Labour.

TheFallenNinja Tue 10-Sep-13 19:25:19

Conservative. I want another 4 years of left wing whining.

TiggyD Tue 10-Sep-13 19:26:24

I voted LibDem last time to try to keep out the Tories. Never again, so it looks like Labour next time. They need to dump Ed though.

He won the leader election due to union block votes. I assume that all the conservative voting union members who automatically get Labour membership voted for Ed because he's so useless.

stubbornstains Tue 10-Sep-13 19:27:16

Labour, with the same reservations voiced by dozens of PPs.

Even financially, the current lot are beyond a disaster. Their half baked and malicious benefits policies are going to end up costing a lot more than they save. Labour may have got us further into debt (even if you disagree that it was mostly the fault of the worldwide credit crunch), but at least we had improved hospitals and schools and Sure Start centres to show for it. This lot are still getting us further into debt....for what?

TylerHopkins Tue 10-Sep-13 19:28:24

They're all a bunch of screwed up tossers out for their own gain. I don't trust any of them.

Mintyy Tue 10-Sep-13 19:29:42

Why do you ask op? Are you keeping notes?

PinkPepper Tue 10-Sep-13 19:30:28

Labour. Always unless a viable socialist alternative came up. My seats quite swingy and I'd vote anything to get Tories off it.

beepoff Tue 10-Sep-13 19:30:29

* - i imagine picnic wants them to give more handouts to people. she obviously doesn't care for the LT or what sort of legacy we are leaving our children as long as we have ST gain and lots of handouts*

The legacy I'd like to leave for our children includes a health service and education system that aren't run for profit and no dependency on food banks. It's got naff all to do with handouts.

What tangible improvements to the country and people's lives have you seen since ConDem came to power?

beepoff Tue 10-Sep-13 19:32:08

Oh - I would probably vote Labour, which is the party of the current MP. She seems fairly level headed.

ziggiestardust Tue 10-Sep-13 19:35:21

But beepoff (and I'm not suggesting you're wrong, btw), spending as it was under Labour could not possibly continue. It couldn't. You cannot continue spending money you don't have! Whilst I'm not saying I agree with all their policies, whoever got in power this time round, was going to have to make deeply unpopular cuts.

CoTananat Tue 10-Sep-13 19:38:04

I've just got no idea. I've a "small business" but I won't vote Tory as they hate me and mine (DH is paralysed). Last time I voted Lib Dem but that's a vote for the Tories now so that's no good.

I'd vote Labour except I hate Ed Miliband and I don't believe they are the party of labour any more (and they're kicking out the unions just to underline that right now!). I used to vote Labour but they are just such horrifying traitors and I can't cope with it. At least you know the Tories will screw you. When Labour does it it just hurts too much.

IDK where I fit any more. I don't think any major party is interested in my vote, my view, or anything to do with my life at all, frankly. There's nothing that represents me out there.

In our locals I voted Pirate Party. They honestly had the best policies. I'd vote PP in a general if it were an option.

sheridand Tue 10-Sep-13 19:48:44

I live in the bluest of blue rural areas, so my vote counts for nothing. I still vote though. I'm one of the 2% that do vote for the Labour guy. If more people voted where I live things might change, but it's basically old people, farmers, landowners, and the wealthy who bother, plus me and about 10 other people. If we had a choice it might help. Last local election, all candidates were Tory or UKIP. I spoiled my paper.

sheridand Tue 10-Sep-13 19:50:55

I should add that living where I do I see day in, day out the results of Tory power. No facilities, no help, no wealth unless you were wealthy anyway, lots and lots of poverty, very poor tertiary education levels, and lots of cap doffing. Why do they still get in? Because they pay the race card, every time. Hence i'm living in the UKIP capital of the UK. Because people are a bit frightened of Romanians.

mrscog Tue 10-Sep-13 20:02:40

Don't know, but probably Conservative although with misgivings. For example I agree with a lot of their policies in principal for example bedroom tax, but the implementation is shitty - for example it exempting the over 65s (who are probably the age group most likely to be able to size down) and no quick and easy system for the disabled who need more space to get an exemption. In principle though, a social house shouldn't be 'for life' it should fit your needs at the time.

How ever, I don't trust Labour - the last government was economically incompetent and didn't work it in the poorest's best interests - all the problems with have with the high cost of housing are due to many of their policies. I especially detest Ed Balls. He is an absolute arsehole. (What Yvette Cooper who I do quite like sees in him I do not know).

I would vote Lib Dem except their policies on Europe are untenable to me.

So all in all that brings me back around to the Conservatives. What I'd really like is a new evidence based centre right party who understood the causes of poverty and the barriers that poor people and disabled people faced. Enabling the disadvantaged need not be solely the left's area.

vj32 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:11:53

Lib Dem, down with Pony Lady!

Its Lib Dem or Tory here, although since they played with the boundaries last time its pretty much Tory whatever happens.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 20:11:55

Actually, the cuts is also a myth spun by the Tories to cover up there bid to make the top tier of earners, richer. Every financier in the world has commented that our cuts have been too deep and too fast. Had we been a little more gentle and a bit slower, we would have been coming out of recession earlier.

Belmo Tue 10-Sep-13 20:14:12

SNP

RoxyFox211 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:15:06

Socialist

Labour. Mind you I think Miliband need to be filmed saving a toddler from drowning or similar to be in with a chance grin

wanderings Tue 10-Sep-13 20:20:54

My principles are conservative with a small 'c', but Teflon Dave who has systematically victimised those least able to help themselves, such as the disabled, desperately needs a reminder that he isn't God; so he's not getting my vote.

So I might vote UKIP since they have no chance of getting in tomorrow; too many of their members have said the wrong things lately.

(I have often systematically voted for whoever is least likely to win, so that I'm not feeding the big egos.)

HappyMummyOfOne Tue 10-Sep-13 20:25:32

People are keen to blame others for everything. Personal responsibility seems to have gone out of the window.

Those on benefits dont stop adding to their families, WTC enabled people to choose to work very few hours or to have an adult in the house not working and many simply give up work (or never did in the first place) and claim they cant work as they have a child! But its not their fault, its everyone elses hmm

If benefits were a true welfare state then no caps would have been needed but sadly labour made benefits pay more than working for many and reversing that will take time and the party made out to be evil etc.

Whilst not perfect, the conservatives are at least trying to get us back on an even keel which our children need.

crescentmoon Tue 10-Sep-13 20:25:45

(oldlady my dad talks about centuries old tragedies/ betrayals/ treacheries from his part of the world like they were yday! he's got his own equivalent of 'dont trust anyone with the name ....' so i find it interesting how things like that pass on to later generations. the wiki entry was so interesting, especially the part about parallels with the nuremburg trials.glad i learnt somethnig new today end derail!)

culturemulcher Tue 10-Sep-13 20:35:35

Hope you've got a tally for us, OP smile

morethanpotatoprints Tue 10-Sep-13 20:40:08

The last and previous Labour governments were absolutely brilliant for me and my family.
I would never vote Conservative because of the mess they are making and have done historically.

handcream Tue 10-Sep-13 20:42:05

Tories, Lib Demo are popular and then people vote for their real choice!

Labour got us into the recession and I wouldnnt trust Ed Millband to cut my toenails.

maddy68 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:43:01

Labour but I want a strong leader.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 10-Sep-13 20:44:32

Happy

Your naivity is stunning grin
One in 5 WORKERS earn below the living wage, this is why we have WTC, you loon.
It has enabled very few people to have a sahp, but as WTC is only available to the very low income families their out goings must be very low to afford this.
Most people who receive Tax Credits are working.

heidihole Tue 10-Sep-13 20:45:34

Some people have terrible memories! Can people not look around and see the pile of pig shit that labour have got us into with their unsustainable borrowing and throwing money at crap?

I'd vote Tory or ukip and good luck to them trying to dig us out of labours mess.

Anyone voting labour will deserve it when the UK goes bust like Greece and there are riots in the streets.

lemonbiscuit Tue 10-Sep-13 20:46:39

Labour.

shoofly Tue 10-Sep-13 20:46:45

APNI - Alliance Party Northern Ireland. Am loving the tumbleweed through this thread - no comments from NI...as we don't talk about politics here....grin

ihategeorgeosborne Tue 10-Sep-13 20:47:07

There is no party that supports families like mine anymore. I used to vote conservative, but never again since the child benefit debacle and the shafting of the single income earning family. I am no fan of labour and the lib dems are just prostitutes who will get into bed with anyone to gain power. I really am disillusioned by all of them. I think I will just write "none of the above, they are all a shower of shits" on my ballot paper. Shame really that we don't have a decent party that represents normal people sad

handcream Tue 10-Sep-13 20:48:09

The mess they are making, we are out of recession. Surely you mean the mess Labour made......

marriedinwhiteisback Tue 10-Sep-13 20:51:49

My MP at present is a fantastic MP and I woulkd not hesitate to vote for her - Justine Greening. We are moving and I shall still Vote for Stephen Hammond but not with the same conviction. I would be happier with a different leader; I have met this one sad

Pobblewhohasnotoes Tue 10-Sep-13 20:59:18

Labour.

Conservative are the rich person's party and are selling off the country.

Lib dems have lost my vote, they are no longer a party.

bimbabirba Tue 10-Sep-13 20:59:28

I don't know who I'd vote for but i can tell you that I will NEVER EVER vote for Libdems again, no matter what they do next or who's the candidate or leader. They're disgusting.

ihategeorgeosborne Tue 10-Sep-13 21:00:29

My MP is Jacob Rees-Mogg and I will be giving him a peace of my mind when he knocks on my door in 2015 angry

ihategeorgeosborne Tue 10-Sep-13 21:03:54

Sorry, peace should say piece obviously. I definitely do not feel peace towards Jacob!

ThePeppermintHippo Tue 10-Sep-13 21:05:15

Conservative

I have no idea. I can't vote Tory, it goes against everything I believe in. I won't vote Lib Dem again due to the coalition embarrassment. But Labour don't seem to have any substance. I really hope they step up their game or we'll end up with a Conservative government purely because they seem to be the only organised party.

Green. But it would make no difference because there is no way my constituency would return anything than a labour MP.

I would like to vote green in local elections, but they never stand in my ward.

HappyMummyOfOne Tue 10-Sep-13 21:10:35

"One in 5 WORKERS earn below the living wage, this is why we have WTC, you loon.
It has enabled very few people to have a sahp, but as WTC is only available to the very low income families their out goings must be very low to afford this."

Ooh name calling, how adult.

Now if that had been written by anybody else i would have argued it but given you freely admit your DH is SE and takes a low wage (and leaves the rest in the business for expenses) and the tax credits enabled you to ot work and save them for a second house purchase then forgive me if i dont believe the above.

LadyBeagleEyes Tue 10-Sep-13 21:15:05

I'vel always voted LibDem as I really like our MP Charles Kennedy.
But I also hate their betrayal to their roots, so It will probably be SNP for me.l

Choccyjules Tue 10-Sep-13 21:16:38

Tricky one. I live in a seemingly unshakable Tory seat and the only oppostition is LibDem but they are still many thousands away from being a viable option here.

I come from an old labour stronghold but never voted for T Bliar. So usually go for LibDem.

This time round, given their capitulation in order to rule...I dunno. Probably the lesser of two evils depending on the local candidates, likely therefore still to be LibDem.

SeaSickSal Tue 10-Sep-13 21:19:57

Economically I am definitely a Labour voter. But I know that if they get back in they will open the doors to unfettered immigration again. This has been extremely bad for me personally in regards to wages in my husband's profession being decimated. I'm also not convinced that it hasn't stagnated my wages and caused the cost of housing to rocket. I'm concerned about how it will effect my local services which are already stretched.

Therefore I won't vote for Labour. I think on that one issue I would probably vote Tory. Except there is not point where I live as they don't stand a chance. So either spoiling my ballot paper or making a protest vote, possibly for UKIP, but only if I could be certain that they wouldn't actually get in.

bimbabirba Tue 10-Sep-13 21:26:14

Seasick so you would vote UKIP as a protest vote only if you we're sure they wouldn't get in? Sorry but I don't get it, you either support them or you don't. It's very immature to vote as a protest. A vote is still a vote. You like them but are not ready to admit it yet or perhaps not on MN. Very hypocritical imo.

ShellyBoobs Tue 10-Sep-13 21:29:14

Every financier in the world has commented that our cuts have been too deep and too fast.

No they haven't.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 21:29:34

Those on benefits dont stop adding to their families
Daily Mail myth, this is not reality, this is what I mean by I want the narrative changed. You believe what this government has chosen to continuously tell you and the more it's repeated the more you believe. You do not seem to comprehend that this coalition are using 1984 as a handbook.

LynetteScavo Tue 10-Sep-13 21:33:58

heidihole I have a very long memory, which is exactly what would prevent me voting Conservative.

I

duchessandscruffy Tue 10-Sep-13 21:38:17

I have voted Labour in all past elections but there is no fucking way I would want ed Miliband as pm. I would probably spoil my ballot paper with 'batman' or similar.

ShellyBoobs Tue 10-Sep-13 21:38:23

I'm really surprised at the number of people saying they would vote Labour.

I know MN is very left-wing but it's still surprising.

Although, it explains why so many threads go they way they do.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 10-Sep-13 21:44:09

HappyMummy

I do work, I am a company director. However, previously I was a sahm and my family were in receipt of FTC, they still are in fact as it is worked on the previous years income.
You are showing your naivety again if you believe a business owner is in a position to pay themselves all the profit the business makes.
How do you propose they are able to run the business if they take the money for jollies or even to pay the bills.
But of course you don't seem to have the intelligence to understand this, you'd rather spout tour usual ill informed bollocks.
People who earn less the 16K receive FTC, the top up is hardly enough to pay a large mortgage, feed and clothe a family, run a home, etc.
Sometimes I wonder what planet you are on.

waltzingmathilda Tue 10-Sep-13 21:47:36

Conservative.

A lot more spending/welfare cuts to be made. I do not want to go back to a profligate Labour spendthrift environment

MiniTheMinx Tue 10-Sep-13 21:51:29

Labour. I live in a Tory stronghold so my vote is wasted. Like Someone else said up thread its all elderly voters, landowners and bankers here. Those that do live in poverty have been duped into thinking immigration is their biggest problem.

Labour didn't create "the mess" the mess is due to neo-liberal economic policy, the greed of bankers, the way in which money is created into the system and globalisation. I don't think Labour can realistically tackle any of this but I think it will kill them to have to carry through the privatisation agenda, whereas the Conservatives are purely self serving toffs.

Dogmatix34 Tue 10-Sep-13 21:55:10

Labour definitely. Can't wait to get rid of this Eton riddled government. Hope Ed has gone by then though and think the Tories will get in whatever.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 21:56:43

A lot more spending/*welfare cuts to be made.*
Really? There are disabled people losing their homes because of welfare cuts and you really think there should be more?

SeaSickSal Tue 10-Sep-13 22:08:33

Bimbabira No, it would be exactly that. A protest vote. I do have a certain amount of sympathy with some of their policies, for example I would like much lower limits of immigration, and I would prefer much looser links with Europe. But I don't want them to get in because I suspect that their economic policies would be terrible as would rights for women etc. Plus they have some right fruitcakes involved who I wouldn't really like to see in power.

A protest vote is just that. Their two headline policies - Europe and immigration - are things the majority of voters are concerned about if the polls are to be believed. And none of the major parties will deal with them apart from the Tories with immigration possibly. Support for UKIP is scaring them into dealing with these issues and that's exactly why I would be making a protest vote.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 10-Sep-13 22:08:54

I really can't believe there are people that want more welfare cuts, do they have their eyes closed? They have gone too far as it is.

I wonder how many people vote for the party which will do themselves good, or the country as a whole.

marriedinwhiteisback Tue 10-Sep-13 22:10:27

Hello "waves". Hope all's well.

quesadilla Tue 10-Sep-13 22:11:03

Probably Labour, though there's no way Miliband will ever lead a government.

I have a seemingly devoted Lib Dem MP who works hard for the area. He's voted against the coalition too which makes me think he's principled. But I can't stand Clegg and it's hard not to think nationally rather than locally.

I might have to do protest vote - or vote Green as I like the guts and conviction of Lucas (though not leader any more ).

Hard to find anyone principled in the House of Commons.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 22:24:35

<waves at Married>
Will pm you tomorrow. Hope all is well your end. You do realise you are moving nearer to him, don't you! grin

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Sep-13 22:26:09

"None of the Above" : spoiled ballot

ProudAS Tue 10-Sep-13 22:29:20

UKIP

IMO their top dogs are from the real world and they want the best for Britain.

I'm not impressed with cuts made by Tories but they inherited a mess from Labour.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Tue 10-Sep-13 22:35:49

I loathe Michael Gove and therefore whichever fuckwit allows him to do any more than bring in the tea and biscuits.

Nick Clegg has ruined the Lib Dems chances - nasty little weasel.

Labour - who? I adore Sandi Toksvig's comments about Ed Milliband.

I think it's the 'All a shower of shits' party for me too then smile

applecrumbleandcream Tue 10-Sep-13 22:37:56

They're all crap but I'd vote Labour to get rid of the awful Government we've got.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 22:39:25

UKIP

IMO their top dogs are from the real world and they want the best for Britain.

I'm not impressed with cuts made by Tories but they inherited a mess from Labour.
But they aren't from the real world, Farage went to Dulwich College, and independent school, so he's one of the bloody Eton types, too.
Apart from that you want to bring back hanging and have all the disabled people out of sight?
The tories inherited a mess made by bankers, most of whom vote...
yep, Tory!

Dawndonnaagain Tue 10-Sep-13 22:39:45

an independent

mumofthemonsters808 Tue 10-Sep-13 22:40:16

Lifelong Labour supporter who detests Milliband so I will never vote again until there is someone worth voting for. Over my dead body would I vote Tory.

boschy Tue 10-Sep-13 22:54:04

I think it's very difficult. I honestly dont know who I will vote for next time around. Live in staunch Tory area (Michael Howard formerly our MP - and a bloody good constituency MP he was too).

by nature I am a 'bleeding heart tory', I believe in supporting those who go out to do it for themselves, but also in providing a safety net for those who (for whatever reason) cant.

have never voted Labour; cannot bring myself to vote LibDem for all the reasons previously quoted and specifically the Clegg-weasel; dont like the Tories very much at all; think the votes for all other parties are either a waste of time or potentially dangerous (eg UKIP).

BUT I've never not voted, I believe it is something we should all do; but at the moment I cant find anyone I actually WANT to vote for.

SomethingOnce Tue 10-Sep-13 23:02:36

Labour or Lib Dem.

I would still vote Lib Dem - they got themselves in a bind with the coalition thing but it was a really difficult call.

But, since so many left-leaning voters have sworn against them, it'd be a strategic Labour vote. Where I am has been Labour for years anyway and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Weegiemum Tue 10-Sep-13 23:12:48

SNP, though pretty much every Glasgow seat is safe labour.

I'm voting yes next year too.

artemisandaphrodite Tue 10-Sep-13 23:15:56

SNP, of course, and then Green forever after. smile

garlicbaguette Tue 10-Sep-13 23:19:36

I wish Owen Jones and The People's Assembly would become a political party.

As things are, I'd vote Labour very grudgingly. There are still some 'real' Labour parliamentarians, who give a shit about the people voting for them, but too few and they are too far from the front.

I'm getting more jaded by the day sad

marriedinwhiteisback Tue 10-Sep-13 23:21:04

Yes Dawn You know they don't have to be too bright to get into dulwich now smile.

ShakeAndVac Wed 11-Sep-13 00:02:09

Not sure, but definitely not Labour because I haven't got a feckin' clue what their policies are supposed to be at the moment.
Shower of dithering so and so's and have been for years.

ICutMyFootOnOccamsRazor Wed 11-Sep-13 00:12:11

Labour. To the horror of my Tory family, I'd never vote Conservative, and the Lib Dems were a massive let down.

LegoCaltrops Wed 11-Sep-13 00:17:29

Why Oh Why do we not have an option to vote Re Open Nominations, or None Of The Above in the UK?

They are all useless! I used to vote Lib Dem but feel utterly betrayed now so I have no idea who I'd vote for.

SomethingOnce Wed 11-Sep-13 00:36:11

But Lego, isn't it the case that if you don't like Tories, you just have to suck it up and vote Lib Dem or Labour strategically?

I'd love a Green government but I can't see it happening at the next election so anything to get the Tories out.

roseannebarr Wed 11-Sep-13 01:04:36

snp,will be voting yes next year also.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Wed 11-Sep-13 01:18:45

Perhaps if everyone who wants to vote for "none of the above" voted Green (where available), a revolution could be achieved? I'll be voting "yes" next year too, and I was interested in the Sunday Times poll a while back that asked voters if their #indyref vote in 2014 would be influenced by what they thought would be the outcome of the 2015 General Election. Put it this way, if, by October next year, Scottish "undecideds" think there will be another Tory Government in Westminster, Yes have a fucking landslide. grin

Only according to that one poll, of course, and I am fully up to date with the current polling scandals, but none of them have asked that question. Hmm, may tweet
@WingsScotland
and ask.

Jinsei Wed 11-Sep-13 01:26:05

Labour.

longfingernails Wed 11-Sep-13 01:29:07

Depending on the local conditions, Tory or UKIP (Tory if they have a serious chance, which 'tomorrow' they would not but they might in 2015); UKIP if not to encourage a shift in the national debate towards the right).

blondieminx Wed 11-Sep-13 01:32:57

I'm with boschy

I really don't know. Tories vile, Lib-Dems hideous let down, Labour well what are their policies? And a vote for others wd split the vote allowing bigger Tory win I fear. Ugh.

I'd feel too guilty not to vote ...but don't WANT to choose any of them.

MistressDeeCee Wed 11-Sep-13 02:25:04

Labour. I couldnt bear to vote for any of the others. Even tho I feel Ed Milliband is an annoying automaton. He appears to have not much to say about anything/not exactly vocal in opposing Tory policies. I cant even say what his policies are. He's too bland comes across as having no integrity whatsoever & hope they get rid of him as Labour leader soon.

sandwichyear Wed 11-Sep-13 03:04:08

labour

PrimalLass Wed 11-Sep-13 06:43:54

Perhaps if everyone who wants to vote for "none of the above" voted Green (where available), a revolution could be achieved? I'll be voting "yes" next year too, and I was interested in the Sunday Times poll a while back that asked voters if their #indyref vote in 2014 would be influenced by what they thought would be the outcome of the 2015 General Election. Put it this way, if, by October next year, Scottish "undecideds" think there will be another Tory Government in Westminster, Yes have a fucking landslide.

I bloody hope so. And I would never have dreamed of voting SNP 10 years ago and thought they were delusional idiots grin

Dav Cam pushing the issue of the referendum really makes me think that he wants rid of Scotland pronto before we all vote against him in 2015.

I am a lost labour voter and will vote green.

Political parties are less popular than the unions and dost and up for the working person yet Labour is being stupid about this. The Tories are destructive - what positive have they done? It's all about beating people down and creating enemies. My local Tory MP candidate was such an arrogant man when he came knocking at the last general election.

I've read up on the greens. They get my vote as they have done before in local elections.

*stand up not dost and up hmm

AmberGamble Wed 11-Sep-13 07:09:22

With the exception of BNP/other loony partisa I'd be happy to vote with whoever will a) keep the NHS safe and b) get rid of Michael Gove (who is an utter, utter moron)

Shinyshoes1 Wed 11-Sep-13 07:22:10

Conservative

Auntfini Wed 11-Sep-13 07:23:46

Labour. Am v surprised that people would still vote lib dem

Auntfini Wed 11-Sep-13 07:25:23

ALso we really do have to get rid of Michael gove before he ruins our education system any more. If you care for your children's education, I'd urge people to reconsider voting conservative when it is our next general election.

Jinsei Wed 11-Sep-13 07:45:01

I'd consider voting green, but they don't even stand in my constituency, so it isn't an option. It's a Tory/Labour marginal, so voting Labour is a bit of a no-brainer for me!

I think anyone who voted Lib Dem last time on the assumption they would never form a coalition with the Conservatives was either not listening to what they were saying or hopelessly naïve.

I stopped voting for them when they showed their true colours over Charles Kennedy's alcohol problems becoming public (which hadn't exactly been a secret before then). Undignified scrabble for power (ha!) and just as back-stabbing and selfish as anyone else.

Rooners Wed 11-Sep-13 09:40:03

Horry, most people who vote are naive about politics - it's really complicated. I have a high IQ (over 140 apparently though probably a lot lower now I am old) and still fail to understand most of what happens in political circles.

I never even realised a coalition was a possibility until it happened.
I just voted for the people who were standing locally because they are a good bunch.

You're right, I am naive but then the population as a whole tends to be a bit wonky on politics and maybe that's why a lot of them don't even bother voting.

That isn't really what I meant.

I've heard lots of people say "the LD betrayed me - I thought they'd only form a coalition with Labour; if I'd wanted a Con govt I'd have voted Con".

Voting for your actual MP is completely different. It's when people think they're voting tactically but without understanding how that works that makes me eye roll.

livinginwonderland Wed 11-Sep-13 09:52:15

Monster Raving Loony Party.

Rooners Wed 11-Sep-13 10:13:17

I know Horry but no one knows how it works. I don't know how it works. I honestly don't understand the system - I have tried to.

It was never covered at school and frankly I think it'd need its own degree course. Everyone just relies on what their parents or friends vote for I think, or rumours they have heard about how to vote tactically etc.

Or is that just me blush

I would have to vote Labour but it would be with serious misgivings. I have always voted LD but never again.

Although, I do vote Labour in our local elections, in my area, the Labour Party have always done their best by the people who live here. I just don't entirely trust them on a national level. I hated Tony Blair with all his hand-wringing and 'trust me' smiles.

MiniTheMinx Wed 11-Sep-13 10:26:07

Sometimes I think that it might be better if vast swathes of people didn't vote. If people use emotion over intellect, if people are self interested, if people have been subject to deceit and propaganda, if people are ignorant of ideologies, the motivations of politicians of different stripes, ignorant of economics and if people really believe that a system of voting every 5 years really constitutes democracy, maybe they should just stay home.

coco87 Wed 11-Sep-13 10:30:52

A question to all those who said they would vote Labour;

I know the Tories are horrible and I disagree with most of their policies. However, I would be very worried that a re-elected Labour would just do exactly what they did for the 13 years before the 2010 election. It was during Labour's rule that the cost of housing increased so much, they didn't build any social housing and they allowed the private sector (landlords) to buy up all the properties and make a killing by renting them out to people who would have bought them. This doesn't seem very left wing or socialist to me.

I would only vote for a Labour party that has genuine left wing principles but the Labour party (or should I say "nu" Labour) seems to be more or less right wing these days, saving the bankers (as Gordon Brown did in 2008) and screwing the genuinely poor and middle classes. I just don't believe a Labour party with champagne socialist Miliband in charge actually cares or knows that much about what real people are going through and are as in thrall to the rich and corporations as the Tories are.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 11-Sep-13 10:33:47

Because who else is there to vote for?

I'm an NHS worker so will never vote Tory. I used to vote Lib Dem but have lost all faith in them since the coalition.

Who else will get in? Is there any point voting Green?

Have Labour actually got any policies yet? I respect that they want to work out what's really going on and what's possible before committing themselves to new promises that they won't keep, same as any government but I have no idea what they stand for just now. I couldn't vote for them today because I don't know what I'd be voting for, and I vastly prefer voting for than voting against, which as I've mentioned rarely works anyway.

MrsFruitcake Wed 11-Sep-13 10:45:37

Conservative.

Swangirl Wed 11-Sep-13 10:49:42

Conservative

Thewhingingdefective Wed 11-Sep-13 10:52:40

Labour. I voted LD last time (tactical) but never would again.

IceBeing Wed 11-Sep-13 10:54:59

I have run out of people to vote for.

I also can't work out what the point is. All the political parties come from an almost identical ideological stand point and it isn't anywhere near mine.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 11-Sep-13 10:55:31

Labour.

Someone actually said BNP? <disgusted>

Peetle Wed 11-Sep-13 10:57:28

Living in a pretty safe Tory seat there isn't much point in voting for anybody - our MP isn't that bad but he holds some beliefs I'm not comfortable with (fundamentalist Christian).

Green in the locals, Mayorals and European elections. Probably Lib Dem in a GE as they're a distant second usually.

It all depends on whether Osbourne's artificial boom has run out of steam by 2015

SusanneLinder Wed 11-Sep-13 10:58:01

I probably wouldnt vote as am hoping we get Scottish Independence next year when we can be rid of the lot of them.

Sadly I doubt it will happen-I despair of all of them

HeadsDownThumbsUp Wed 11-Sep-13 11:00:34

I don't know how anyone could countenance voting Conservative (or Lib Deb)

You've got Michael Gove destroying the education system, blustering on with his mad ideas about the history curriculum and free schools, when there are real problems to be addressed, like a shortfall in primary school places since the Tories have been in power.

You've got IDS and his rickety universal credit scheme which is not only questionable in terms of the actual changes it will make to people's lives - but in the bureaucracy and waste involved in implementing these (fuzzy) changes - even the National Audit Office thinks he's done an appalling job of managing the project, £34 million "written off" on failed IT changes alone.

And as for housing? Coco87 I completely agree that Labour didn't build anything like enough social housing and they should (in my opinion) have done more to restrict the rampant buy to let market (though that would have been unpopular with many voters, I think it is necessary in the long term). But the Tories are extremely unlikely to build any new social housing either (especially given that they still think one of the party's greatest successes was flogging it all off). And Osborne's 'help to buy' scheme clearly shows that he has no interest in tackling the cost of housing - just pumping up the mortgage market and house prices once again, by subsidising what are, essentially, subprime loans.

Let alone the fact that they've put in place the 'bedroom tax' - a housing policy so badly thought through and destructive that even the UN think it should be scrapped immediately. Of course they have also made housing benefit unavailable to people under 25, so what happens to someone under 25 who loses their job? Then there's the housing benefit cap, and the threat of dislocation and homelessness this causes. All in all, homelessness has risen since the Coalition came to power. Just like homelessness rose under the Tories in the 80s.

There's lots that the last Labour government didn't take strong enough action on. But there's something to be said for voting for the lesser of two evils. You get less evil.

FannyFifer Wed 11-Sep-13 11:02:01

Susanne, the only way to get Independence is to talk to people about it.
People at my work, partners work etc who were never SNP supporters or fans of Independence are now voting YES, they are wanting to talk about it etc.
As soon as people actually look into it themselves then that's how it will be won.
There really is no other option for Scotland now.

MangoTiramisu Wed 11-Sep-13 11:07:50

It would depend on my local seat. I'd vote for the candidate who had the most chance of taking a seat off, or keeping out labour. Other than that I'd vote conservative or UKIP. I am not a conservative but I'd never consciously vote labour after what they did last time.

BaldricksTurnip Wed 11-Sep-13 11:08:59

Labour! Anything to get these Tory bastards out.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 11-Sep-13 11:09:10

SNP (and a yes next year)

Everything is getting so fecked up down south by the Westminster government. We are partly protected from some of the worst excesses by devolution, but fingers crossed for independence....

Dementedhousewife Wed 11-Sep-13 11:10:23

labour. I could never as a NHS worker vote for the conservatives. Ever.

Jax2218 Wed 11-Sep-13 11:11:09

SNP and one massive YES for next year also!

Jax2218 Wed 11-Sep-13 11:16:50

Susanne look at it this way, SNP won with a landslide majority, people voted knowing there would be a referendum. Have faith, keep talking, keep questioning, if a viable reason comes up for saying NO, check it out find the answer and its probably made up rubbish anyway. Glasgow needs more work with its labour grassroots. but hopefully people will start to realise its the labour government and labour councils that have done nothing for Glasgow for decades and that is why there are the problems there is now.

Wasapea Wed 11-Sep-13 11:19:12

This thread is a useful indicator of who is mad.

I would vote Labour because I don't believe people who are not well-off should be treated with contempt and made to exist purely to support the rich. I don't believe those people should be stamped even further into the ground to ensure they can't better themselves. I don't believe our NHS should be destroyed. I don't believe women are ultimately second class citizens and just need to find themselves a nice husband. I don't believe poor people shouldn't be allowed to have children, or buy a TV. And a whole host of other reasons.

MangoTiramisu Wed 11-Sep-13 11:25:27

And here's me thinking that spending money we didn't have and bombing countries illegally was the work of madmen.

HeadsDownThumbsUp Wed 11-Sep-13 11:28:55

MangoTiramisu

Funny, because David Cameron seems pretty keen on doing both of these.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/cameron-busted-on-debt-claims/12556

MrsFruitcake Wed 11-Sep-13 11:31:27

Labour told everyone that times were good - less unemployment, controllable migration, great education and an NHS to be proud of. All the while, they were selling off our gold and letting us think times really were good.

We were all well and truly hoodwinked.

I'll never forgive Blair for getting us into the war with Iraq and I hope he fucking regrets it every single day of his charmed life. Sorry would never be enough.

SusanneLinder Wed 11-Sep-13 11:36:23

*Susanne, the only way to get Independence is to talk to people about it.
People at my work, partners work etc who were never SNP supporters or fans of Independence are now voting YES, they are wanting to talk about it etc.
As soon as people actually look into it themselves then that's how it will be won.
There really is no other option for Scotland now.*

I completely agree-I am talking about it, and I plan to go and help with the Yes campaign.I will also be on the March for Independence in Edinburgh .

Still a year to go-so that fills me with hope.grin

I actually feel sorry for my friends south of the border that don't have this alternative

JuliaScurr Wed 11-Sep-13 11:45:52

www.tusc.org.uk/

leftunity.org/

This crisis was caused by US bankers, not by employing too many teaching assistants

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 11:53:09

I am surprised that people seem to think a worldwide financial crisis was caused by Labour hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 11-Sep-13 11:54:27

Maybe we need a "Mumsnet for Independence" group at the rally :-) I'll be there too...

SarahStrattonIsBackForJustABit Wed 11-Sep-13 11:58:02

I have absolutely no fucking idea.

Not Labour, I can't stand what Blair did to this country.

Not Lib Dem, not after they sold themselves down the ricer.

And absolutely no fucking way will I ever vote Tory again. And that's coming from someone who's been brought up that they were the only party possible. But I will NEVER vote for them again.

If anyone wishes to educate me on a viable alternative, I will be more than happy to listen. I want to vote, I want this government sent packing. I just don't know who to vote for, as the best tactical vote

Jax2218 Wed 11-Sep-13 11:58:48

My mum is going and I would love to go too. but its my son's 3rd birthday party. His birthday is actually the 18th, maybe a sign who knows lol.

I will go to the next one

Damnautocorrect Wed 11-Sep-13 12:09:36

Traditionally a Tory girl from a tory family but they've come up with so many plans that go against my beliefs (hs2, planning law changes, squeezing the middle families) I'd vote labour.

showtunesgirl Wed 11-Sep-13 12:15:19

ABC - Anything But Conservative.

I genuinely don't understand how anyone can vote Conservative. What they are doing right now to the NHS is horrific.

SarahStrattonIsBackForJustABit Wed 11-Sep-13 12:27:18

NHS, ATOS, the Welfare System. I'm ashamed that I ever voted Conservative.

CiderBomb Wed 11-Sep-13 12:29:17

Probably Labour. I voted Lib Dem last time and wish that I hadn't now. They've not delivered any of the promises they made.

Jinsei Wed 11-Sep-13 12:34:05

I am surprised that people seem to think a worldwide financial crisis was caused by Labour

It's not surprising, really. The Condems have been promoting this fallacy at every available opportunity, it was inevitable that some people would buy it.

Hell, they buy the crap that it's the poorest in society to blame for the economy.

ZutAlorsDidier Wed 11-Sep-13 12:37:22

what would be in the manifesto of the party you would like to vote for?

AmazingDisgrace Wed 11-Sep-13 12:39:12

Labour

KatyPutTheCuttleOn Wed 11-Sep-13 12:42:23

I wish I knew. I've always (bar once) voted for the Conservative party but I won't be voting for them again, they are completely screwing up a lot of things for me professionally and personally.
I suppose I would have to vote Labour, I doubt the Lib Dems would get enough votes to get in. That's probably making it a fulfilling prophecy though. I just want to get the Conservatives out.

showtunesgirl Wed 11-Sep-13 12:43:48

According to Michael Gove, the reason why people use food banks is because of personal financial mismanagement, not the fact that there is high unemployment, wages haven't increased enough, lack of affordable housing and the cost of living has gone up and up.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24042446

Again, how can you vote Conservative if they believe shite like this?

Quenelle Wed 11-Sep-13 12:45:32

None of the major parties. I voted LibDem last time but I wouldn't again. As long as I have a hole in my arse I won't be voting Conservative or Labour.

I will look more closely at the other candidates and hopefully find one worth voting for at the next GE. Never UKIP though.

SusanneLinder Wed 11-Sep-13 12:45:54

Maybe we need a "Mumsnet for Independence" group at the rally :-) I'll be there too...

I could wear a floppy hat grin

GobbySadcase Wed 11-Sep-13 12:52:54

ATOS was Labour. In spite of that andMilibean I'd have to vote for them.

Because the other two are complete, un redeemable arsewads. Labour are just arsewads.

stubbornstains Wed 11-Sep-13 12:56:28

I can just see the ConDems, if they get in at the next GE, continuing to fuck the economy up and still blaming the last Labour Government for the mess. I can see them in 2019, continuing to fuck the economy up and still blaming the last Labour government for the mess. And on and on, ad infinitum...

(meanwhile- £43m spent on the UC IT system just written off. That's just for a start. angry)

Kerosene Wed 11-Sep-13 13:06:34

Would rather break my fingers than vote Tory. Lib-Dem are a bunch of spineless lick-spittles, and Labour are lead by a wet fart in a suit with no identifiable policies.

Conservatives won my constituency with 40% of the vote last time, though there can be large swings. If Labour can grow a spine and get some policies, I'll hold my nose and go with them for MP, and vote Green at Borough council level.

aquashiv Wed 11-Sep-13 13:06:45

Labour with the usual Milliband reservations.

KatyPutTheCuttleOn Wed 11-Sep-13 13:08:04

Michael Gove is a very good reason not to vote Tory. I hope he is proud that he's turning so many long term Tory voters away from the party.

Herisson Wed 11-Sep-13 13:13:41

We're in a Lib Dem/Conservative ward and there is no realistic prospect of the Labour or Green candidates winning. I have always previously voted Lib Dem because I don't want to be represented by a Tory. Won't be doing that again. I will vote Labour next time unless I am particularly unimpressed by their record between now and then, in which case it will be Green.

Presumably the coalition are blaming Labour for the crisis so they themselves can take credit for the recovery. Risky strategy though!

PrimalLass Wed 11-Sep-13 13:32:29

The only way the Lib Dems can rescue themselves is by doing a spectacular u-turn and soon. I have always suspected that that will be how they play it, but they are running out of time.

I still haven't got over the Tony Blair / Gordon Brown / Campbell fiasco. I voted for them then. Gordon Brown was more interested in power and status. They spent too much time in fighting and politicking and forgot they were meant to be running the country.

WMD / sexing up documents / selling the country's gold / ill equipped soldiers dying in Iraq. You don't even need the economic crisis to not want to vote Labour.

But I can't stand Clegg / Cameron.

Where to go.....

MiniTheMinx Wed 11-Sep-13 13:52:52

ZutAlorsDidier excellent question which seems to have been duly ignored whilst we pick over who has the most charismatic personality.

ZutAlorsDidier Wed 11-Sep-13 17:36:09

Would vote for:

end of austerity. because a. punishing powerless individuals for bankers' cock-ups is morally repugnant, and b. doesn't work, we need to get the economy moving

proper national transport strategy (linked to a sensible policy on home working and equality)

huge programme of green-home-building

effective financial incentives for solar power on a small scale (many homes could become energy-self-sufficient and even sell green energy to the national grid)

universal adult income to replace benefits and incentivise work for everyone

tax free and even subsidised child care

robust equality laws around family-friendly working

save the nhs

dogs not allowed as pets in cities (except in particular circumstances) (guide dogs are not pets btw)

Tighten up tax laws: stop asking corporations what they would like to pay, for heaven's sake

One of those is a mn wind-up. A bit.

doublemuvver Wed 11-Sep-13 18:20:07

Green

BMW6 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:09:35

If Labour get in next time they'll spend money so fast there will be none left for anyone, deserving or not.

On the bright side, it'll put an end to the endless bickering over who should get more benefits than others - the kitty will be all gone...... again.....

Dawndonnaagain Wed 11-Sep-13 19:20:27

I'm so bored of the careful Tories/spendthrift Labour story, it's hackneyed.

SarahStrattonIsBackForJustABit Wed 11-Sep-13 19:27:46

ATOS was Labour? That shows just how woefully ignorant I am. sad

I really have no idea, I can't stand any of the major players, and can't see any viable alternatives.

I would, however, happily vote Mumsnet. Hurry it along, please.

Dawndonnaagain Wed 11-Sep-13 19:35:55

From an old dyed in the wool, proper old fashioned labour supporter, yep, ATOS was Labour. However, they really didn't go as far as this government and I don't recall the UN hauling labour over the coals for their behaviour.
Neither do I recall 43 million quid being 'written off' because a minister made a boo in, hang on, which department was it, oh yes I remember: Work and Pensions. That would be covering benefits. The implementation of Universal Credit, in fact.

loopyloou Wed 11-Sep-13 19:43:45

Labour - but I would like to see them with a more down to earth leader than Milliband. No way would I vote for the conservatives. Normally I would say libdem, but am totally disappointed by the coalition.

Oh god, I don't know.
I have no faith in any of them at all.

Labour got us into a terrible mess in lots of ways and yet I don't feel the Tories are doing a great job of getting us out.

I'd like to say more of them and yet that doesn't seem the answer either!

OneUp Wed 11-Sep-13 19:50:43

Labour - I could never vote for the Conservatives and I'm seriously disappointed in the Lib Dems.

elcranko Wed 11-Sep-13 19:59:46

Labour.

TSSDNCOP Wed 11-Sep-13 20:01:14

TBF there were several Labour IT projects that went expensively tits up: UK passport system, NHS system. This latest Govt cock up is inexcusable but financially bite sized by comparison.

Add: all Govts will find the best IT provider to implement their initiative vs the cheapest to the Dream Manifesto.

Dawndonnaagain Wed 11-Sep-13 20:08:59

TSS You are right, I had forgotten about the NHS one. Didn't know about the others. It seems nobody learns from their own mistakes, or the mistakes of others!

Herisson Wed 11-Sep-13 20:10:12

I would happily vote for you, ZutAlorsDidier. I particularly like the dog bit.

MiniTheMinx Wed 11-Sep-13 20:35:28

I'm confused by the dog bit confused

I would build more social housing
Build more primary schools
Att state subsidised nursery ed to state primary schools
Take away the charity status of private schools and tax the Blx off them
Introduce means tested payments towards all education
Phase out tax credits
Do away with zero hrs contracts
Hike up the NMW
Introduce means testing for tuition fees
Nationalise the railways/gas/elec/buses
Regulate financial services and outlaw derivatives trading
Introduce the transaction tax
Close tax loopholes
Nationalise banks and ensure that lending is made available to small business, UK firms and co-operatives.
Investment into green energy
Stop the fracking.
More investment into the north
Stop this drive to build more housing in the south
Tax foreigners heavily when buying london properties
Bring back rent controls.

I could go on grin

ihategeorgeosborne Wed 11-Sep-13 20:46:11

Mini, how would you introduce means tested payments to all education? What would be your cut off point? As with all government means testing, it seems to be people in the middle that get walloped by that. A higher rate tax payer, with 3 kids for example would be really screwed, as they already are with so many other government policies. It wouldn't be worth earning above the cut off level being imposed.

Also, if we don't build more houses, where will everyone live? We need more houses.

I would vote for anyone who set out in their manifesto how they actually intended to pay for what they were promising.

Because "oh there wasn't enough money" is a weak justification for not following through on the juicy manifesto promises.

MiniTheMinx Wed 11-Sep-13 21:29:41

Its quite intentional. It would level out earnings and create pre-distribution as people would be happier to take smaller salaries but the top band needs moving and the top rate of tax needs to be much higher, again to prohibit CEO and managers from taking silly salaries and bonuses. We need to reverse the trend of the last 30 years which has seen top bosses now taking up to 400 x the salary of staff. As regards people choosing to have children, at the moment we have a Tory government that wants to effectively prevent working class people from having children with cuts to CB and welfare, caps to benefits and this scrounger propaganda. So what if higher rate tax payers choose to have one less child, paying into the state system for the two/three/four they have will ensure that all children benefit from more money being made available to improve state schools.

mrspremise Wed 11-Sep-13 21:36:57

Lib Dem because our MP is really great, but if he quit then Plaid Cymru...

ihategeorgeosborne Wed 11-Sep-13 21:42:06

Mini, You do realise that a higher rate tax payer earns just over 40k a year? After tax, that equates to less than 30k a year. That is only 4k more than the benefit cap. Why should they pay to send their kids to school in addition to the tax they already pay? I would be much happier to work less hard and earn less money, but house prices would have to fall considerably to enable us to do that, which would be no bad thing.

MiniTheMinx Wed 11-Sep-13 21:57:47

The tax bandings would need to be reassessed, sure. We need more social housing and rent caps.

ihategeorgeosborne Wed 11-Sep-13 22:09:48

We definitely need more social housing and rent caps mini. I also think multiple property owners should be taxed heavily. This would discourage houses being used as "investments". Perhaps more people could then afford to buy their own and they could become "homes" again. Property greed has sapped the life out of this country.

Hugglepuff Wed 11-Sep-13 22:13:48

Can't vote Labour anymore - they took us into Iraq .
Can't vote Lib Dem anymore - they took us into coalition government.
Can't bring myself to vote Conservative.
Green it is then

Capitola Wed 11-Sep-13 22:17:08

Conservative - after the mess Labour made of this country.

Trills Wed 11-Sep-13 22:21:56

LibDem for the same reasons you list in your OP

beepoff Thu 12-Sep-13 08:55:40

Anyone who says the Tories are only "cleaning up the mess the last lot left us in" could do with a few lessons in politics, history and economics.

You'll have no.10's spin doctors, speech writers and PR people high fiving with glee.

beepoff Thu 12-Sep-13 09:01:35

But beepoff (and I'm not suggesting you're wrong, btw), spending as it was under Labour could not possibly continue. It couldn't. You cannot continue spending money you don't have! Whilst I'm not saying I agree with all their policies, whoever got in power this time round, was going to have to make deeply unpopular cuts.

Perhaps Ziggy but when the UN describes the bedroom tax as "inhumane" you know it's gone too far!

dreamingofsun Thu 12-Sep-13 10:02:21

beepoff - i really don't see why its inhumane to provide people with the number of bedrooms they require.

Dawndonnaagain Thu 12-Sep-13 10:12:59

Because dreaming that's not the way it's working. If you only require one bedroom, but cannot find one bedroomed accommodation, then you are expected to pay the bedroom tax. If you are disabled and your dialysis equipment is stored in another room, you are expected to pay, despite what Cameron et al promised, the disabled are expected to pay. If you need an extra room for a carer, you are expected to pay.
facts and figures within article
(Not Mail article).

IceBeing Thu 12-Sep-13 10:15:14

Lots of people on here have noone left to vote for...

Time for the MN party I think...

Bramshott Thu 12-Sep-13 10:16:21

Lib Dem

But with a heavier heart than last time.

Not that it makes much difference round here (dyed in the wool Tory heartland)...

MiniTheMinx Thu 12-Sep-13 10:21:01

ihategeorgeosborne yes I agree, BTL landlords need to be taxed so heavily that it becomes almost impossible. A house should have a use value first and foremost and not be seen as either investment or means to take on more credit.

Beepoff Its amazing that governments use the UN to lobby for the human rights of Syrians as a way of gaining the consensus so we can bomb the crap out of somewhere. But the same UN is derided when its the UK government in breach of human rights. Double standard much?

PresidentServalan Thu 12-Sep-13 13:46:12

Conservative - they are trying to sort out the shite that Labour left behind and are trying to reformthe benefits system.

GrrArgh Thu 12-Sep-13 13:49:33

Quite surprised at how many yes votes the Lib Dems are getting.
They have proved themselves to be duplicitous milksops.

I will never vote Conservative. So it'll have to be Labour. I don't want to, but I feel a non-vote or a spoiled paper would increase by 1 vote the chances of a Tory government or another coalition, and I can't be part of that even by omission.

MiaowTheCat Thu 12-Sep-13 14:05:42

I'd be spoiling my ballot paper - about the only way you can register the "you're all twats" option and not just be deemed to be staying at home via apathy or ignorance.

Labour - introduced the idea of cover supervisors and allowed teaching to be basically be relegated to "stop them killing each other - here's the worksheets" and I bear a heavy grudge for them starting that whole debacle off so I won't vote for 'em. Miliband is slimy. I think they've managed to get away with a load of shit that people seem to have forgotten they originally started off with and the Tories just picked up and ran with after them.
Conservative - local MP is an utter headline grabbing bitch gleefully watching us be shafted by HS2 - won't vote for 'em. Also Gove is slimy and Cameron is slimy (but Gove wins in the lubrication stakes by far).
Lib Dems - Clegg = slimy and turning into more and more of a Cameron clone as the months go by and they've lost their way spectacularly (plus the local ones are basically a shower of shit and spend more time campaigning to change the name of a proposed new pub than doing anything productive)

So yep - very marginal seat - either I do my usual tactic of voting whichever current one is in out (since none of them I agree with or have any affinity for whatsoever these days)... or I make a point of going and doing a protest vote. For the first time in my life (and I've got a degree in Politics and I'm from a family of journalists and local politicians so not exactly naive where current affairs are concerned) - I really am at the "you're all as bad as each other and need your heads banging together" level of apathy.

loopyloou Thu 12-Sep-13 14:54:14

Yes, I'd be tempted to spoil my ballot paper too, but would be too worried the Tories would stay in power then angry

GrrArgh Thu 12-Sep-13 14:59:14

Yes if ever we needed the protest vote, this is the time. I doubt Labour want to get in, though. Imagine restructuring the welfare state after this shower had thirteen years to plan its dismantling. angry

CaptainUndercrackers Thu 12-Sep-13 15:04:42

Ex-ex labour voter, switched to lib dems at last election, now feel like they're all a bunch of wasters. Probably would vote green. I'd really like the opportunity to vote for senior central government civil servants though. Have recently done a lot of work with various govt departments and have been shocked at how similar it all seems to 'yes, minister' episodes. They are the real ones running the show.

Brittabot Thu 12-Sep-13 15:30:51

Labour.

The Conservatives are destroying our NHS and welfare system under the auspices of this national austerity budget, while silmultaneously decreasing tax for the very wealthy. It's insane!

MangoTiramisu Fri 13-Sep-13 09:27:55

Take away the charity status of private schools and tax the Blx off them

Great, then the 250 kids in my independent school (we are there because we can't get into a good local school in our area) can come join your school and make our classrooms 40 kids instead of 30.

Happy now?

Retropear Fri 13-Sep-13 09:31:08

Yes mango very happy as only a few children having an unfair disadvantage would be worth it in the long run.

grovel Fri 13-Sep-13 09:31:33

Conservative.

Kamchatka Fri 13-Sep-13 09:33:19

I think there are a lot of people who will weep at the loss of the NHS when they are old enough to need it on a regular basis. I'm 41 and well aware that I'm in the generation which is seeing our retired parents live well and has not totally woken up to the fact that without thinking hard about organising finances for the future (which my parents did not need to do), there is every chance we will live out our years in poverty.

It's utter madness to let socialised healthcare go, if nothing else we should be thinking selfishly about this!
(So I will vote Labour, with a heavy heart.)

TeddyBare Fri 13-Sep-13 09:37:42

Green or Labour. I agree with the Green policies more but I'm concerned the Conservatives might get back in then and I'd still rather have Labour than Conservatives.

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