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to think these shoes are within uniform regulations?

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freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 09:53:18

Eldest daughter started secondary school last Wednesday.

This morning, helpfully hmm, she informs me that she was spoken to about her shoes on the way out of school on Friday afternoon as they weren't uniform regulation.

These are the shoes www.clarks.co.uk/p/20355020

The shoe guidelines from their uniform regulations:
Black shoes; no trainers, platform shoes, ‘Uggs’, open toe, canvas shoes or sling backs. Heels should be no higher than 2"

She was in a bit of a panic going in this morning as they've had dire warnings about being sent home or taught in isolation if they don't have correct uniform, but there wasn't a lot I could do about it at 8:15am. She should have told me Friday, but even then, as far as I can see, there's nothing actually wrong with them.

Black - check
Not trainers, platform, open toe, canvas, Uggs or slingbacks - check
Heel lower than 2" - check

I'm really not prepared to buy more shoes. If school want to be really particular about shoes, they should be clearer when they send out the uniform regulations.

I think they are being ridiculous! They look fine to me.

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 09:56:26

Aargh.

Sorry, wrong shoes

www.clarks.co.uk/p/20350534

Very similar to above, but lower heel

WorraLiberty Mon 09-Sep-13 09:56:27

I can't see anything wrong with them at all.

When your DD was spoken to, what did they actually say to her?

gobbledegook1 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:56:51

YANBU.

Ezio Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:00

Yeah, they are being very pedantic, shoes look perfectly fine for school.

Hegsy Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:01

Look fine to me. Perhaps give the school a call and ask what the problem is?

Nanny0gg Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:11

Sensible and fashionable!

Win-win.

Take it to the Governors if anything more is said.

DuchessFanny Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:20

They look fine to me too, did she say what the school said the actual problem with them was ?

Writerwannabe83 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:47

How are they not in regulation??

When I clicked on the link I was preparing to be faced with some crazy shoes that would be completely unreasonable, but they look like the most 'normal' type of shoes you could buy?

YANBU.

However, on the flip side, do you absolutely trust your daughter is telling the truth? Maybe another pupil made a disparaging or upsetting comment about her shoes and she thinks that if she tells you she's not allowed them you'll buy her some new 'trendier' in the hope she will get peer approval? smile

You just never know....

I would probably approach the head teacher for clarification.... smile

Failing to see problem tbh.

They look the very definition of smart black school shoes.

BellaVida Mon 09-Sep-13 09:58:40

They're Clark's school shoes FGS!!!

I saw a girl trying some on the other day when I was getting my lot kitted out and thought how smart they looked. What did they say was wrong with them?

If they say anything further, I would go down to the school with the Clark's catalogue and have a word.

Picturesinthefirelight Mon 09-Sep-13 09:58:51

They're perfect.

And dds school us very strict on shoes eg no ballerina flats.

OldBeanbagz Mon 09-Sep-13 10:00:41

There's nothing wrong with them at all. In fact my DD and most of her friends wear similar ones and we haven't had any problems.

DD tells me that there's a girl in her school who's wearing all black Converse high tops to school shock

littlewhitebag Mon 09-Sep-13 10:00:54

They are the exact ones my DD has and her school is very strict about uniform. I have no idea why these would be seen as unsuitable.

Bonsoir Mon 09-Sep-13 10:01:05

I don't like the shoes, personally, but they do seem to fall within the school guidelines. I think you should write to the school in the terms you used in the OP, asking for further clarification.

burberryqueen Mon 09-Sep-13 10:02:00

some teachers just enjoy shouting at people about their shoes tbh....
take it up with the school OP, those shoes are about as sensible as they get.

dexter73 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:02:12

Was she actually wearing her trainers at the time because I cannot see how anyone would think those shoes are unsuitable for school?!

hmm They couldn't be more classic boring school shoes if they tried

Ezio Mon 09-Sep-13 10:03:02

They look more practical than these shoes my sister picked for school.

Writerwannabe83 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:03:19

Lol moaning - that's why I made the point I did......

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 10:03:40

Thanks

She said that the teacher told her that she needed plain black shoes and these weren't plain.

Unfortunately DD doesn't know who the teacher is. It was the end of her 3rd day and had never seen him before

I don't think she'd lie to get a new pair. She had free reign provided they fitted in with the guidelines.

I'll email school. I wondered if it was just me grin

Thanks!

Scholes34 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:03:53

DD had the same shoes last year in a school where they've recently cracked down on the uniform. Good shoes are expensive, and given the amount of walking you do at secondary, good shoes are important.

If they'd been a problem for me, I'd be the one to take this up with the school, rather than my DD, as I was the one who bought the shoes and having bought the shoes you showed, I would be very reluctant to have to splash out another £40. In the meantime, I'd provide an appropriate note for my DD to say you were aware of an issue regarding the shoes, and were in the process of dealing with the matter, to ensure she's not sent home or given a detention.

Theas18 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:04:07

Ask school OP. They are being a tad ridiculous. Maybe what they wants is " no fashionable shoes" as brogues are very " in" at the moment...

IMHO they are the perfect school shoe. Leather, supportive and make for walking/generally being an active school kid.

Scholes34 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:05:19

We're into semantics here. By "plain" I'd understand "no labels" or fancy bows.

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 10:10:28

By "plain" I'd understand "no labels" or fancy bows.

Same here.

Pretty much all school shoes have some sort of design feature on them. Flicking through the Clarkes' website, all the school shoes in her size range have something on them.

I have given her a note if the issue arises again and will email in the meantime

TheOriginalSteamingNit Mon 09-Sep-13 10:12:29

I think they are fine - and I think you would struggle at the moment to find anything completely 'plain'!

BackforGood Mon 09-Sep-13 10:13:19

Agree with everyone else - they look like perfect school shoes to me. I too was expecting some 'regulation dodging pair' before I clicked the link blush.

BrokenSunglasses Mon 09-Sep-13 10:13:26

The school are being OTT. I'd be very surprised if shoes like that really are against the schools policy.

Ledkr Mon 09-Sep-13 10:14:10

My dd has those exact shoes and has just started secondary with very strict uniform policy. No probs.
What is actually wrong with them? You can't get shoes that are just plain black with absolutely no detail.
As they are from the Clarks school range she can't be the only one with them surely?

Remotecontrolduck Mon 09-Sep-13 10:15:39

Oh for goodness sake, where do some teachers get off.

I suspect it's just one old dragon who enjoys picking on pupils, and the rest of the staff will have no problems with them. How could you have a problem with shoes like that?! confused

Ignore, there's no way they'd send her home!

Theas18 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:18:20

Mind you, if they DID send her home for wearing decent clarks school shoes to, umm .... school that is a story I'd love to see the school defend in the local press LOL

bearleftmonkeyright Mon 09-Sep-13 10:18:46

My dd has also just started secondary school wearing these shoes. Very strict, New uniform for whole school. Yanbu.

Remotecontrolduck Mon 09-Sep-13 10:19:44

I was about to say that Thea, they would be a nationwide laughing stock!

It must just be one very mean or short sighted teacher!

soverylucky Mon 09-Sep-13 10:20:24

My dd has these shoes. I was delighted that she picked out something so sensible and appropriate. I don't normally spend that much on school shoes but was very pleased to this time.

soverylucky Mon 09-Sep-13 10:21:32
IneedAsockamnesty Mon 09-Sep-13 10:22:13

Email the school with the link to the shoes and ask them to list exactly what is wrong with them with regards to the school policy if nothing request that they instruct staff to cease telling her off.

Print of email response and give to dd to carry with her for the next time that staff member has problems with the shoes.

quoteunquote Mon 09-Sep-13 10:22:16

Completely ridiculous, I fully expected to open the link and for some silly shoes with heel and silly attachments,

Those are perfectly sensible normal school shoes, who ever suggested otherwise needs a good talking to,

Supply your child with some notes to hand to anyone questioning her about her uniform, asking them not to make her uncomfortable and to contact you to discuss any queries.

soverylucky Mon 09-Sep-13 10:22:23

sorry link doesn't work. I am rubbish at that sort of thing.

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 10:22:26

Thanks!

A lot of her friends were wearing similar last year so I'd imagine a fair few of them will have similar again this year.

We live in the arse end of nowhere and Clarkes or Brantano are it for school shoes so I'd imagine a fair few of the girls will be wearing them.

I'm new to the world of high school so I wondered if I was missing something.

Email sent to school with link to shoes so we'll see what they say.

Scholes34 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:23:36

It must just be one very mean or short sighted teacher! and a teacher who isn't currently buying school shoes for their offspring.

Ledkr Mon 09-Sep-13 10:24:32

Where else would you wear those shoes anyway? Not exactly a fashion choice are they?
Did you e mail yet?

Floggingmolly Mon 09-Sep-13 10:27:47

What's wrong with them?? My dd has a similar pair, as do most of her friends and their school is militant about correct uniform; every item only available (at ridiculous expense) from Peter Jones, no cheapo Tesco stuff for us.
I genuinely can't see anything wrong with them.

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 10:56:00

Not exactly a fashion choice are they?

I don't know, brogues are very in round here now.

Maybe that's why the teacher didn't like them, but they need to be more specific when writing their guidelines. Although it seems a bit unreasonable to ban brogues just because they're currently fashionable, when they fit their guidelines in all other ways. They're not exactly "bells and whistles" type shoes are they?

Email sent, just awaiting response. If they say the shoes are OK, I'll print it off and give it to DD to take into school with her

NoComet Mon 09-Sep-13 11:09:28

WTF, most of the girls in DDs Y7 had black brogues like that, DD is still wearing hers in Y8.

They are the best school shoes we have ever had. Actually keep the puddles out and stay looking smart.

Tell them to take a running jump.

Scholes34 Mon 09-Sep-13 12:27:47

My daughter's brogues were bought last year and were acceptable to her because they were on the fashionable side. I don't see the problem with having these "fashionable" school shoes. They're certainly practical and conform to the school's rules.

Pachacuti Mon 09-Sep-13 13:25:17

They'll come back with an amendment to the policy wording:

Black shoes; no trainers, platform shoes, ‘Uggs’, open toe, canvas shoes or sling backs. No shoes that any child of the same age would be seen dead in voluntarily. Heels should be no higher than 2". Shoes may not look nice .

WhoremoaneeGrainger Mon 09-Sep-13 14:06:21

My Dd has also just started high school last week, and wore similar shoes to those (she has size 8 feet, and they were the most practical ones we agreed on). I hope they don't complain about hers, 'cos they actually cost £56....on top of over £200 quid for a new uniform, plus new "non marking sole" trainers and new footie boots.

And after what i saw walking out of the school on Friday.......well. There would have to be almost half the girls sent home if those shoes aren't acceptable.

GoldenGytha Mon 09-Sep-13 14:15:39

They look fine to me, can't understand why the teacher has a problem, unless it's something so ridiculous like those shoes are very masculine looking, and might the teacher be very old fashioned and have a problem with girls wearing what she sees as boys shoes?

That isn't my opinion, btw, just thought the teacher might be thinking along those lines.

Ledkr Mon 09-Sep-13 14:44:38

Is it the stitching they object to?
I'm wondering wear one can buy smooth black shoes!

valiumredhead Mon 09-Sep-13 14:56:41

They are so sensible they are the sort of shoes I would've hated as school shoes when I was a teengrin

Some schools are quite mad!

PareyMortas Mon 09-Sep-13 15:00:04

My dd's are wearing similar to their school. The uniform policy reads exactly the same - could even bethe same school. Dd1 is in year ten and wore the same style all last year.

StanleyLambchop Mon 09-Sep-13 15:02:21

Assuming you have listed the shoe guidelines exactly as the school have published them, the they have no grounds to ask for 'plain shoes' since the guidelines only require 'black shoes'. If they wanted plain, black shoes with absolutely no stitching or decoration of any sort, then why didn't they bloody well put that in the guidelines?
I may be pedantic but I get fed up of schools publishing uniform guidelines and then making up more as they go along, at the whim of some teacher. Parents are not mind readers! They need to be specific, or STFU (rant over, can you see I am projecting a bit???)

Since the guidelines do not state 'plain' shoes, I cannot see why the school would object to these shoes. They are sensible and smart, and I hope that the school see sense.

freddiefrog Mon 09-Sep-13 15:39:56

Thanks!

Well, got a reply to my email and DD's Head of Year says that shoes are fine.

Have printed off a copy and given it to DD to keep in her pocket in case she gets challenged again

Stanley, yep, I cut and paste it from their website

valiumredhead Mon 09-Sep-13 15:52:53

Good! Result.

addictedtofarmville Mon 09-Sep-13 16:20:03

Stanley, that is exactly what my DD's school does and I'm sick of it. She is in year 10, and this year they've brought in a new uniform policy, but all teachers seem to have different takes on it. On the uniform policy it says that school skirts must be knee length, black and of a traditional style. I got DD a black, knee length traditional (IMO) school skirt, and she was told off for it on Thursday as apparently the fabric wasn't quite right and needed to be 'stiffer'. She was also told to 'go shopping at the weekend'. Yeah, because we've all got unlimited money to buy more school clothes because of a teacher's bad mood/whim haven't we. DD has very blonde hair and she was also accused (by the school secretary, god knows what it is to do with her) of having green streaks in her hair when she's had nothing of the sort done.

OP, it sounds as though it's a very similar scenario at your DD's school. I think some teachers are on a power trip and literally look for things to pick at on a child's appearance. I only wish my DD's school staff spent as much time teaching as they do fussing over appearances; they might well find their GCSE results and OFSTED ratings improve! DD says that at the start of each lesson there is usually 10 - 20 minutes taken up every lesson by teachers checking pupils uniforms and signing 'uniform reports'.

Lancelottie Mon 09-Sep-13 16:27:27

Addicted, had your daughter just been swimming? If so, and she's very fair, the pool chemical can cause greening (my brother had green toddlers for weeks after their B&B got its pool chemicals a bit wrong)!

RiotsNotDiets Mon 09-Sep-13 16:34:59

Tomato ketchup gets that chlorine green out of blonde hair...... <completely misses point of thread>

lisad123everybodydancenow Mon 09-Sep-13 16:36:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lancelottie Mon 09-Sep-13 16:37:05

Ketchup-coated toddlers -- lovely thought!

Glad you've got it sorted OP. I too was expecting some crazy shoes; can't think how you could possible find school shoes any more suitable than those!!!

Some teachers/schools like to ban anything a bit fashionable. My secondary school introduced a maximum skirt length to go with the long established minimum length because long skirts were in at the time. No practical reason (they weren't maxis, so were weren't all falling up the stairs) and they didn't look intrinsically scruffy. They'd have been better off banning the wearing of white ankle socks over dark tights on the grounds of looking stupid!

SusanneLinder Mon 09-Sep-13 16:58:51

My DD has these

http://www.schuh.co.uk/womens-black-dr-martens-1461-shoe-patent/1349027040/

Even more boring than yours grin

I have found that as she is dyspraxic, these are the only shoes that last a full school year! hmm

shockers Mon 09-Sep-13 17:08:27

DD had those very shoes last term.

coco27 Mon 09-Sep-13 17:09:11

My DD had the same shoes last year.When she chose them I thought she would be teased for having such boring granny shoes, but half the class had exactly the same ( which solved one problem but created another!) So they are obviously fashionable round here

madhairday Mon 09-Sep-13 17:23:31

DD has these shoes (Y8). I was amazed when she chose them as I thought they were super sensible, but apparently 'everyone has them.'

Her school is fairly anal about uniform too.. I'm cross at the moment as I struggle getting clothes that fit dd (tall and slim) and had bought her some adult size 6 trousers (had to take them in a bit more) but she got told off that they were 'hipsters' and 'too long' (they were just still a bit loose, I can't find a 4 anywhere and the age 15 ones (only ones long enough) are soooo huge on her. Then she got told her new skirt is too short (longest I could get, can't find adult size bottle green skirts)

So...I feel your pain, and glad it's sorted!!

freddiefrog Tue 10-Sep-13 08:35:40

I think some teachers are on a power trip and literally look for things to pick at on a child's appearance.

I think you might be right.

She came home from school yesterday and said that her games teacher had told her she was wearing the wrong type of blouse.

Considering it was the uniform girls blouse bought from directly from the school uniform shop, they can bugger off.

I've told her that all her uniform is absolutely fine so if it happens again to just smile and reply that she'll tell her Mum. Problem being DD can be a bit of a panicker and a complete stickler for rules so she gets upset as they've all had repeated warnings about being sent home/taught in isolation if they're not in correct uniform.

Not really conducive to the easy transition from primary to secondary I was hoping for hmm

MiaowTheCat Tue 10-Sep-13 09:06:19

You can't GET black shoes without some form of stitching or detailing or design on them - unless they're those ghastly ballet pumps that the kids around here persist in wearing flapping off their feet (brogues haven't reached here as fashionable yet). Only things I can think of that would be utterly plain would be some of the doc marten shoes but then lots of them have the yellow stitching they'd probably take exception to.

As a teacher I'd just be grateful they weren't black trainers trying to sneak in as shoes, things with lights, things with velcro, things with heels or aforementioned ghastly flappy things - but I was never a uniform zealot.

NoComet Tue 10-Sep-13 10:58:22

Yes, we have one teacher with a power trip on skirt length.

Everyone else, even the SLT accept that the rules are unworkable because (except on pre growth spurt Y7s) the skirts as sold are too short!

Lancelottie Tue 10-Sep-13 10:58:26

Oh help, Miaow, are velcro shoes out at your school?? Poor old dyspraxic-and-style-free DS...

MrsEricBana Tue 10-Sep-13 11:08:49

Madness. My dad and nearly all her friends at strict school have these exact shoes (and think they look very cool!)

MrsEricBana Tue 10-Sep-13 11:09:49

ds not dad!!

MrsEricBana Tue 10-Sep-13 11:10:40

dd!!!!

DalmationDots Tue 10-Sep-13 11:12:31

One year my DD's school decided to re-write the uniform policy and send a letter at the end of the summer holidays.

Skirts had to be no less than an inch above the knee - the skirts were made to be about 2-3 inches above the knee so the waist sizes meant we physically couldn't get a skirt long enough!

Shoes could no longer be ballet style (this was the time when ballet style was so 'in' it was practically the only design available for girls in year 11)

Bags could no longer be shoulder bags, they had to be regulation rucksack- I had to try and send my DD, aged 16, into school with a regulation rucksack. The girls put on a protest and used sainsburys carrier bags or those awful drawstring waterproof cheap bags often used for swimming.

You will not imagine the hassle it caused, especially with a fashion conscious DD. Only for them to return to school with lots of new uniform for the rules to not be enforced beyond week 1 and them all to revert back to the previous uniform a week later!! Grrr!

NoComet Tue 10-Sep-13 11:33:07

Exactly our problem Dalmation. We have two allowed styles of skirt. The waist banded one cannot be got to fit at regulation length on anyone.

Skinny and still shortish DD2 can buy a waistband less one and hang it precariously off her hips.

On taller DD1 it's impossible.

AdmiralData Tue 10-Sep-13 11:50:25

My old school is cracking down its rules on uniform and behaviour massively so I understand how difficult it will be for parents. The school should have stated before the summer holidays/during summer holidays via a letter that shoes must be PLAIN black, no bows or patterns or anything tbh. I think the shoes are fine, the school is at fault here.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Tue 10-Sep-13 12:02:36

Oh FFS. Do schools have nothing better to do? Honestly. This gives me the rage. I used to go to school in: canvas platform shoes, clumpy slingbacks, 3 inch wedges, 4 inch high-heeled loafers etc etc, depending on what was fashionable at the time. No one gave a tiny shit. The school introduced a uniform policy when I was in 5th year (in Scotland, so age 16 or so). This was shortly after Britney Spears and Hit Me Baby One More Time. My school was filled with lots of little Britneys wearing elbow-sleeved shirts from Miss Selfridge/Topshop that had a collar button and a just-at-bra-height button - nothing in between. They didn't make them with a modest option! Ties were worn pulled down sexily, and a fair few girls wore black bras under white shirts (not me). Micro minis with slits were also in style. So long as you were wearing a shirt and tie, no one said a word about the provocativeness of the outfit. And these days schools are saying brogues are unsuitable? <faints>

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