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I want to smash my neighbour's buggy

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DodieDoo Mon 09-Sep-13 09:04:21

There are two flats in our building, us on the lower floor up a short flight of stairs and our neighbours above us up the continuing stair case.
They have a 3 year old, we have a four month old. We own and have lived here 6 years, they rent and have lived there 2.5 years.
They obviously knew when they moved in that they had a child and that their flat was upstairs, yet they didn't take into consideration that they don't want to carry a buggy up and down stairs so they decided to keep it in the very small area at the bottom of the stairs which obstructs the front door and stairs. (Lease says nothing can be stored in communal areas).
At first my partner and I were considerate and let them whilst their child was small but whilst I was pregnant I found it very hard to squeeze past and we felt that as their kid was at walking age that we should ask them to move it out the hall. They didn't. We asked again. They didn't. Its a fold up that they dont fold up, so we did and put it as much out of the way as possible. They kicked off for touching their stuff. We told the management company who asked them to move it. They did for a week. Then my son was born so it was harder to get past we asked them to move it. They didn't. We went to the management company again. They still didn't.
We keep our buggy in our flat but need to 'set it up' in hall which I only just had space to do. Until yesterday when I found they had just got a new 'off roader' with massive wheels and takes up even more space so I'm pretty much now penned in or have to face an argument when I want to go out.

Am I being unreasonable wanting to take a hammer to the b****rd thing and/or wanting to have them evicted??

They are lucky I'm not expecting again but I think the hormones would send me over the edge!!

SilverStreak7 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:09:55

No I do not think you are unreasonable .. The people are selfish , this is clear . However, Im not sure you should want them evicted as you do not know their circumstances and that could cause them, and their dc hardship for all you know .. Neighbors ay ?

Yabu for wanting to damage their property.

Not sure why the status of your home ownership as opposed to their renting is significant.

Keep reporting and keep asking. There's nothing else you can do tbh. Some people are just inconsiderate dicks.

RobotHamster Mon 09-Sep-13 09:13:49

Can you start parking it at the bottom of their stairs? They might get the message then.

racmun Mon 09-Sep-13 09:14:01

Can you wait until they go out and then park your buggy there? Petty but that might give then the message.

If not keep pestering the man co to do something about it.

My blood would boil also

GeneHuntsMistress Mon 09-Sep-13 09:15:00

Do you have an alternative means of escape in an emergency? That would worry the hell out of me.

You need to get the management company to deal with pronto.

KoalaFace England Mon 09-Sep-13 09:16:34

Keep reporting. You can only justifiably go through the official channels.

Kick up a fuss with the management company if they are not handling the situation. Do not engage with the neighbours.

And try to keep things in perspective (I know its hard!) because you have a new baby and a home and you seem lucky in lots of ways!

noblegiraffe Mon 09-Sep-13 09:17:25

Push it out the front door, say you needed the room to get your buggy in, and forgot to bring it back in. Terribly sorry.

bundaberg Mon 09-Sep-13 09:17:35

keep reporting it to the management company. if it says in the lease that nothing can be stored then nothing can be stored. imagine if you all needed to get out quickly in a fire fgs and they had a massive buggy in the way?

ridiculous. just keep on at management and hopefully they'll get the message

Hegsy Mon 09-Sep-13 09:18:52

Complain to the management company, take photos, report to council and continually move it to their front door. YASoooNBU Inconsiderate bastarding neighbours are the reason we are moving to an end terrace with a huge drive.

I guess their homeownership makes it harder to just move, whereas the renters knew when they took the flat that there was no storage there and already had a child but took the flat anyway.

I think the only thing you can do is keep on reporting it.

CSIJanner Mon 09-Sep-13 09:20:31

YANBU for feeling angry. YABU if you act on it and smash it, no matter how satisfying.

Report to the management again. Keep a diary if needs be. Official channels are better and means that they deal with the neighbours instead of you.

pictish Mon 09-Sep-13 09:20:36

Why have they bought a new massive off roader if their kid is 3?? My blood would be boiling by now!

DodieDoo Mon 09-Sep-13 09:20:54

What I meant by the own/rent is that we can't just move and when they were looking at our complex they could easily have gone with a ground floor or even a house nearby for the cost of the rent.

I'm a sleep deprived mum, eviction is one of the nicer things I wanted to come to them at times haha!

I'm a first time mum so maybe I'm being unrealistic but they only use it in 30 mon burst for the park & corner shop. I'm hoping my little boy could walk short distances at 3?

Viking1 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:21:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mistlethrush Mon 09-Sep-13 09:21:41

If its obstructing access I would ask the fire service to come and advise... This might help with making this problem 'official'.

SarahAndFuck England Mon 09-Sep-13 09:23:33

I wouldn't start parking your own buggy there, as that gives you no grounds for complaint.

But I would phone the management company each and every time they park it there and then send them an email as a "further to our telephone conversation today at X time and date..." and taking a photograph as proof each time as well.

Sometimes it takes a big paper trail to make someone realise how serious the issue is.

And you could threaten to reduce your payments to the management company as they are not providing your with the service they have promised.

And I would be tempted to push the buggy outside and leave it there each time it blocked my access. But I would try the hassling the management company first.

HerrenaHarridan Mon 09-Sep-13 09:24:30

Well smashing it is going a bit far tbh

You could keep letting tyres down, or putting it outside.

You could get really drunk and be sick on it! I bet that would stop them. Ok the last one was a joke.

Most sensible course of action is to photograph it daily and report it to the ll and or agency daily.

I would give them 3 months of being reported to daily and then reconsider taking matters into your own hands

whois Mon 09-Sep-13 09:26:01

Keep phoning the management company. It's totally against fire regs so keep going down that route. Phone their landlord/letting agent if you know their number. Make this their problem.

I would WANT to just push it you the front door into the street and leave it but I probably wouldn't <wimp>

SomethingOnce Mon 09-Sep-13 09:26:33

Isn't it against the law to obstruct fire exits?

CSIJanner Mon 09-Sep-13 09:26:51

Reminds me of this thread! Looking at the pictures, their neighbours were real pisstakers.

TheFuzz Mon 09-Sep-13 09:27:29

As a minimum you'd expect it to be folded. Can't understand this need for a big pram. We moved to the small compact prams at that age !

hatsybatsy Mon 09-Sep-13 09:28:50

tricky. the argumentative side of me would want to leave my buggy there when they were out.

but the grown up side of me would just keep on reporting them while trying to stay calm. fights with neighbours are usually not worth the effort. (but you have my sympathies.)

DodieDoo Mon 09-Sep-13 09:32:28

It's the fire safety issue that that management company brought up with them last time because the company who installed/checked the communal fire alarms brought it up.

They keep their washing on the banisters too which was mentioned to them about fire risk but they're really rude and just don't care.

I think I might just do daily photos!

Viking1 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:34:04

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

kiriwawa Mon 09-Sep-13 09:34:13

I'd definitely call the fire brigade and ask them to assess. A fireman knocking on their door might have an impact where the management company do not.

Why the fuck would you buy a massive off-roader if you have a 3 year old? You're sure they're not having another baby?

RedHelenB Mon 09-Sep-13 09:39:09

Nothing unreasonable about moving it outside to get your pram sorted & then "forgetting" to move it back. A couple of times doing this & they might get the message!

candycoatedwaterdrops Mon 09-Sep-13 09:39:37

Take photos every day and email them with the same title "SERIOUS FIRE HAZARD!!!!". Follow this up with a phone call a few times a week. It will annoy the hell out of management until they actually do something.

DodieDoo Mon 09-Sep-13 09:39:54

She's not visibly pregnant at the moment so a bit premature if they are expecting. Their kid always goes out in a buggy though so it's being used at the moment.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Mon 09-Sep-13 09:40:37

Complain to the management company again. In the flats I used to live in people were stopped from keeping their bikes in the hallway, we got an amended contract.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 09-Sep-13 09:42:37

I'd just move it outside - is that possible?

kiriwawa Mon 09-Sep-13 09:45:16

I found this link on that thread that CSIJanner linked to - that situation was an absolute shocker!

So looks like it might be worth reporting it to the authorities if the management company/fire officer gets you nowhere

DodieDoo Mon 09-Sep-13 09:47:52

Our door opens straight onto the street so leaving it outside might be a bit unfair - I'm being more mature after a coffee haha!

Though I'm not above my baby 'accidentally' vomiting in the direction of their buggy.....wink

RedHelenB Mon 09-Sep-13 09:50:19

Well you would only have to do it once then DodieDoo, put the brake on though!

Writerwannabe83 Mon 09-Sep-13 09:50:20

I'm sure I saw on another thread a woman was talking about irresponsible parking - albeit about a car - and was considering buying some YAPLAC stickers, which apparently stand for "You're parking like a c*nt."

I assume they would stick to pushchairs as well as cars.... grin

But seriously, I can see why you would be annoyed. Some people's lack of regard for other people astounds me sometimes. I hope you manage to find a solution x x

sparrowfart23 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:00:26

I would avoid doing any petty or childish, as satisfying as that would be grin. You will lose the moral high ground, and you don't want to start an escalating battle with your selfish, antisocial neighbours.

I would, as suggested by various people upthread, keep on at the management company, taking photos to back up your complaint, and ask them to contact the landlord. Contact the fire brigade if you don't get results and see if they can help.

Is there anywhere else their buggy could be stored? (Friends of ours had a secure underground car park at their flat so stored their buggies and bikes there instead of a car.)

Good luck!

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Mon 09-Sep-13 10:00:42

Is there a front yard which you could fit something like this in?

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/7058550.htm

You could both use it as a buggy store perhaps?

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Mon 09-Sep-13 10:01:02
Nanny0gg England Mon 09-Sep-13 10:17:58

Back to the management company - daily phone calls and e-mails. Discuss their fee which they are clearly not earning. Drive them nuts.

Get the fire brigade involved. H&S legislation. Fire safety. What if an ambulance was needed? How would the paramedics get in? Point out to the MCo that if anything (god forbid) happened, they may well be liable for not enforcing the rules.

OOAOML Mon 09-Sep-13 10:25:37

I'd be contacting the fire brigade to see if they do safety checks.

TeaLadyExtraordinaire Mon 09-Sep-13 10:26:04

SilverStreak - However, Im not sure you should want them evicted as you do not know their circumstances and that could cause them, and their dc hardship for all you know

Well, they're not exactly looking after their own circumstances are they? FFS !

CSIJanner Mon 09-Sep-13 10:28:24

It's up to the management to arrange storage, however make it clear that you would not be paying any surcharges to pay for it as it shouldn't be there in the first place.

VaultFullOfTwizzlers Mon 09-Sep-13 10:32:07

YANBU (apart from the criminal damage) and it sounds like a PITA and a fire-hazard.

I bought a massive three-wheeler with an enormous pull-down hood when DS was three because he has autism. He has a special pushchair now.

It was bloody easy to fold though so not sure why they are leaving it up confused

quoteunquote Mon 09-Sep-13 10:38:38

email a new photo each day/hour to the landlords, and ask when they are going to fix the problem.

He11y Mon 09-Sep-13 10:40:10

Put everything in writing.

Complain again to the landlord and check out the grievance procedure so you know what to do if nothing happens.

Don't do anything over the phone or face to face, or if you really have to, follow it up with a letter stating what was said and agreed.

You've got to get a paper trail going.

quoteunquote Mon 09-Sep-13 10:41:48

img121.imageshack.us/img121/2448/pram.jpg

This picture from the other thread made a big difference to people on the thread understanding of the situation.

Our local fire brigade do free home checks where they come round fit smoke alarms, point out dangers and help everyone in the house plan an escape route, ring and find out if yours do the same.

VaultFullOfTwizzlers Mon 09-Sep-13 10:45:25

I remember that thread and picture. Complete turnaround grin

microserf Mon 09-Sep-13 10:46:33

that would absolutely drive me bonkers. definitely document and call the fire service and council.

your neighhours sound like real charmers, so only the threat of losing the buggy is going to make them change their ways.

lljkk Netherlands Mon 09-Sep-13 10:48:11

It's a safety hazard. Just keep harping on about that. Daily complaints to management for sure.

Pixieonthemoor Mon 09-Sep-13 10:51:35

Fgs what arseholes!! If they folded the bloody thing up and tucked it out of the way, I bet you wouldn't mind!! Such a tiny thing and yet they are so bloody selfish. I hope your bombardment of the management company works for you!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 09-Sep-13 10:52:43

I'd be tempted to sell it. grin

I'd certainly be pushing it out the door every time I wanted to get past and not bothering to put it back in again.

NoMoreMadCatLady Mon 09-Sep-13 10:53:25

Call your local fire safety officer to do a visit.
And write to the management company.

burberryqueen Mon 09-Sep-13 10:53:56

^ ^ do that, just push it outside when you need to get past.

rumpledtitskin Mon 09-Sep-13 10:57:04

Dodie

I'm at work so haven't read whole thread but I would suggest ringing your local fire station to request a home fire safety visit for you and mention your concerns about your escape route being obstructed.

And yabu for saying you want to smash it, but I'm sure you know that. wink

MortifiedAdams Mon 09-Sep-13 11:00:45

Agree - you need the space so move it outside every time and dont put it back.

rumpledtitskin Mon 09-Sep-13 11:01:09

Oh, just seen others have advised this also.

We have a fire safety enforcement department here too who will issue notices if landlords don't follow advice.

He11y Mon 09-Sep-13 11:08:36

Is yours like the picture from the other thread, OP?

If so, that is crazy!

I'm afraid it would have been on the street by now if we were you!

It is definitely a fire hazard!

They'd be the first to complain if their baby died in a fire because the fire brigade couldn't get in, no doubt!

Pobblewhohasnotoes Mon 09-Sep-13 11:14:26

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Pobblewhohasnotoes Mon 09-Sep-13 11:14:57

Oh FFS stupid phone.

Fold it up and plonk it right outside their front door.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful Mon 09-Sep-13 11:23:19

If it was me I would consider buying a massive cheap second hand pram and leaving it in the hall permantly. But I am a petty minded git.

The suggestions to bombard the management company and possibly threaten to withhold payment is probably the most sensible.

twistedtoffee Mon 09-Sep-13 11:28:09

I would not withold payment as you will just end up paying legal costs on top of your fee. I would write to the Management Company saying the buggy is causing an obstruction and a fire risk, the Management Company have been made aware of this on x number of occasions and you would not like, it writing, the legal position should someone be injured as a result of this couple being allowed to remain in rented accommodation whilst repeatedly ignoring an important condition of the lease.

twistedtoffee Mon 09-Sep-13 11:28:39

Sorry, would NOW like in writing

ExitPursuedByADragon Mon 09-Sep-13 11:29:03

I thought I had déjà vu as that other thread was one of the first I read on here!

I would push it outside.

Inconsiderate twats.

EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 11:42:30

gosh, you're well within your rights to keep complaining. yy to getting the fire brigade along to do a fire safety check (although they might flag up other expensive issues...).

criminal damage is obviously wrong, but I don't see how you can manage with a small baby, so pushing the buggy out of the way/folding it up is clearly acceptable.

Wallison Mon 09-Sep-13 11:50:27

Why is their washing on the bannister a fire hazard? confused

MyNameIsSuz Mon 09-Sep-13 14:52:00

We're not allowed to keep anything in our communal areas, even tucked away underneath the stairs where it couldn't possibly be in anyone's way. The reason given by our management company is that anything that's technically a fire hazard would invalidate the building insurance in the event of a fire. I don't know if it's true, but worth looking into.

atrcts Mon 09-Sep-13 15:14:29

Put your complaint in writing - they'll be scared about the document trail if anything were to happen because they neglected to truly sort the problem tenants.

eurochick Mon 09-Sep-13 15:25:52

I agree to keep complaining to the management company, emphasising the fire hazard point.

In the mean time, keep folding it down and shoving it out of the way.

agedknees Mon 09-Sep-13 15:31:03

If the flat is leasehold, your neighbours landlord might be in breach of his lease because of his renters (lease states nothing housed in communal areas). Maybe exert some pressure on the landlord to stop his tenants behaving irresponsibly.

intitgrand Mon 09-Sep-13 18:15:34

If there kid is 3 surely he isn't going to be in a pushchair much longer!

intitgrand Mon 09-Sep-13 18:15:47

their

Avalicious1980 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:07:44

YADNBU I would feel exactly the same and I know this because I have been in a similar situation. Keep ringing the management company about it, I did that and it did eventually get sorted. They sound scummy.....clothes in the hallway....yak!! Very rude!!

MrsGarlic Mon 09-Sep-13 21:18:09

They are being ridiculous. We live in a similar situation except we are upstairs. We have a huge Stokke pram and a Maclaren buggy. I take them both up the stairs. I don't see why our neighbours should have to fight their way around MY prams! I would just keep putting it outside TBH and if they kick off, calmly point out that you had to move it as it was blocking the access to your flat and just repeat. If it was me, I'd move it to outside THEIR door if I could - appreciate not easy if you are pregnant/bad back etc.

jessieagain Mon 09-Sep-13 21:19:24

You need to keep reporting it, it is a fire safety issue and you are obliged to report it.

Bambamb Mon 09-Sep-13 21:23:40

Just put it outside the front door every time you need to get past and leave it there.

Snazzyenjoyingsummer Mon 09-Sep-13 21:24:32

Yes, keep pestering the management company so it is less of an annoyance to deal with them than it is to fob you off. Good luck.

cooeeyonlyme Mon 09-Sep-13 21:26:14

Just push the pram outside. They may kick off but call the police if they do.

DontmindifIdo Mon 09-Sep-13 21:30:06

Yes, daily complaints. Also I'd be tempted put a note on it, saying "this is a fire hazard, if it is here tomorrow it will be removed from the communal area" and then do it. (stick it in the street)

Sallyingforth Mon 09-Sep-13 21:30:12

You should not move the buggy. It will cause a personal dispute and you will be liable if it gets damaged or stolen. Much better to let the fire brigade deal with it, as they certainly will if you call them in for advice.

serin Mon 09-Sep-13 21:46:50

Piss in it and blame a cat.

BakeOLiteGirl Mon 09-Sep-13 21:49:57

The pram is a fire hazard yanbu about that. But I'm surprised so many people are horrified a three year old has a big buggy at that age. There could could be lots of very good reasons why. I deliberately bought a P&T when my son was three and a half. It was very much needed for private reasons that shouldn't need justifying.

Pimpf Mon 09-Sep-13 22:10:26

I'd accidentally on purpose leave it outside and forget to bring it in again

PrincessFlirtyPants Mon 09-Sep-13 22:28:12

Love serin 's suggestion! Do that! grin

kiriwawa Mon 09-Sep-13 22:56:40

BakeOLite - I'm not prying about your reasons but surely you must acknowledge that most children are becoming less and less reliant on a buggy by the age of 3.5 and that similarly most people move their child to a smaller lightweight umbrella fold, simply because its lighter and less cumbersome.

HopALongOn Mon 09-Sep-13 23:05:36

Could you just leave the door unlocked an see if it gets stolen?

Brittabot Mon 09-Sep-13 23:25:10

This would drive me mad, they sound very inconsiderate. I would put the buggy outside every time I found it in the lobby, it's not meant to be there so I don't see how they can object.

ghostspirit Mon 09-Sep-13 23:37:14

im on the fence. it was ok to leave it there when the child was little. but its not now? the pushchair was still there what ever the age. she lives upstairs maybe its hard for to get it up a flight of stairs. although i cant see why she cant at least fold it. means she can keep her buggy down stairs and you can get in and out ok with your buggy.
its like you both want it your own ways. the must be a compromise.

i dont think you being there longer or owning the flat makes any difference.

mezza123 Mon 09-Sep-13 23:42:09

Tell the management company that they have to sort it out within 1 hour (or day if.you're feeling generous) or u will be calling the fire brigade to report a blocked fire exit.

mydoorisalwaysopen Mon 09-Sep-13 23:48:38

Sounds to me as if they are being deliberately awkward to annoy you. Why else get a giant buggy when anyone else would be thinking of binning the buggy with a three year old. I would make no fuss at all for a few weeks then fold it up, put it in the back of my car and take it to the dump. If they ask you, just say you hadn't noticed it for ages and assumed their kid had outgrown it.

goodasitgets Tue 10-Sep-13 02:02:06

Keep pushing it with the management company. Our management is so hot that if I leave my boots on my doormat I get a letter
They have (and did) remove and destroy a pram after numerous warnings

FixItUpChappie Tue 10-Sep-13 02:12:24

I'd complain constantly to the management company and advise that the fire department will be notified as it is a hazard blocking the exit. I'd be a right PITA about it. What rude bastards! I'd be tempted to keep pushing it outside but I suppose you don't want an all out war with them.

FixItUpChappie Tue 10-Sep-13 02:16:00

oh yes, yes as noted above - bandy about the word "liable" a lot.

holidaysarenice Tue 10-Sep-13 02:16:12

Inform the management company, and make sure ur email includes risk of fire, risk of tripping etc.

Also we had this, I found tipping water in the seat didn't damage it, but inconvenienced them massively.

As did getting two strapping lads to carrt it up and squarely plonk it outside their door daily.

In the end I took to blocking it in with a bike, neighbour came to door to ask me to move the bike - 'its a bloody pita isn't it' door closed.

End of problem.

NatashaBee Tue 10-Sep-13 02:29:32

Love the 'piss in it' suggestion grin

Thepursuitofhappiness Tue 10-Sep-13 06:34:58

They sound ridiculously unreasonable. Shouting at you when you folded it?

Is there a backstory? Any other disputes?

Even so, pester, pester, pester management company.

lisianthus Tue 10-Sep-13 08:31:46

If you point out that it is a breach of the lease and their landlord gets a wake-up call that this is putting him/her in danger of forfeiture, they might get a "come to Jesus" chat from that direction as well.

If your mgmnt co are rubbish, may be worth sinking a couple of hundred pounds into getting a lawyers letter sent to mgmt co/the other landlord. Tends to have a sobering effect and encourage people to sort out their responsibilities if you make it clear you won't be ignored.

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