Ahhhh night time feeds

(67 Posts)
Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 03:46:02

So ds2 is 5 weeks old. And I have just remembered the joy of night time feeds!!

AIBU to think the worst part is that tense but hopeful moment when they have finished feeding, have been burped and nappy changed and are in a lovely dozy state and you attempt to put them back in the Moses basket and you hold your breath..... Because that is the moment a perfectly happily 45 min night time feed has the potential to become a 2 hour nightmare as they decide not to settle / wriggle and writhe etc and you end up repeating the feed / burping / changing over and over again!!

I am currently holding my breath....

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 03:48:54

Plus the wriggle that you can't decide,
"Is this there final wriggle before they fall into a deep contented sleep, or is this wriggle that means that I should pick them before they get upset..."

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 03:54:55

Ok so... He is back on the boob (I appreciate this is just a thread for one... But I am bored and is 3.54am..

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 03:55:55

Definitely not being unreasonable, when I'm putting 5week DD down after a night feed it's as if I'm handling a bomb!

Unfortunately I know she will instantly open her eyes and be wide awake the exact moment I put her down, and being awake for anything LESS than two hours is absolutely acceptable for her sad

Just started my 2nd 2 hour night feed, wahhh! confused

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 03:58:22

Hello Sammie. :-) I like the bomb reference... Totally agree!! So despite being back on my boob he nibbled for 2 mins and is now asleep again... So once more we are trying the MBM (Moses basket Manoeuvre - as I like to call it!)

BinarySolo Mon 09-Sep-13 04:00:52

I'm lying on my side feeding my 11 day old Ds in the hope he'll nod off so I can sleep. Think it's just about worked. Dh is now snoring tho so he may get a gentle kick...

Soontobemama Mon 09-Sep-13 04:02:50

I'm up for a night feed too. My month old DS wakes up every hour through the night!!! It's bringing me to my knees so I'm trying to wake him up to make him feed more in a vain attempt to get him to sleep longer between feeds.

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 04:02:52

Good luck, I hope he stays down! I've taken to sitting with her sleeping for at least 30 minutes before I attempt to put her down, just because she wakes all the time! And then if/when she does it's back to that endless shhing/rocking routine!

I know you're meant to put them down when they're half asleep so they can settle themselves but I think my DD just likes being held WAY too much! Must be my "cuddly" exterior hmm

At least I have LOTR on to keep me company smile

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 04:06:50

Also, this sounds bad but I'm SO GLAD I'm not the only one going through the seemingly endless torture of long night feeds smile

There is a reason they used to use sleep deprivation as a form of torture!

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 04:09:43

Ahhh we are all not alone!!!

I currently have a wriggling grunting baby next to me. I actually got all hopeful a minute ago and took my glasses off. I think that was Ds2's cue to wriggle some more...

Feeding 15 week DS2 here, just started so about 45 mins from MBM myself. You are not alone.

MN makes such a difference to those lonely midnight hours.......

Happy feeding all, and a smooth 'bomb' release to everyone!

Faith48 Mon 09-Sep-13 04:13:26

Also up for a night feed, just put DS (3 weeks) in his Moses basket thinking I was safe. He is now back on the boob.

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 04:22:45

Just tried the MBM and sure enough the eyes flick open and the bomb explodes!

Baby says "silly mummy, thinking you can put me down only 45 minutes after I got up!"

So now we're back to perving on Aragorn, baby falling asleep with the dreaded dummy and me with a sore arm!

I never planned to give her a dummy but after being told by many she was a "sucky" baby I finally gave in for my own sanity! Only half the time she knows I'm trying to fob her off with an imitation and she perseveres until she gets boob hmm or she'll be perfectly happy asleep with the dummy until dun dun DUN!! it falls out! Then you'd better hope its back in there in the next 5 seconds or she'll make your life hell!

HelgatheHairy Mon 09-Sep-13 04:29:52

I'm here too. I've given up on trying to get 1 month old DD into her carrycot at night so we cosleep. I mostly feed lying down but the last few nights DD is having none of it so sitting up. She's really grunty and wriggly too.

Oh good. Not just me that's up. Mine is waking every hour. Have tried both formula & boob but she won't settle, aged 4months... I'm falling asleep in the chair, scared I might drop her!

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 04:38:03

Woo woo the last MBM was a success.. I hate to feed and run but am off to sleep...

(Will probably be back on in 10 mins..)

All these posts have made me laugh though! So thanks all!

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 04:42:46

Just tried second MBM which once again failed sad and might have accidentally called my child a little...poo hmm I just don't understand how she can go from being deep in sleep to awake and screaming in 5 seconds flat! confused

4everhopeful Mon 09-Sep-13 05:05:04

Ahhhh love Mn! Just fed 7wk DS, so different to DD was as poor thing has awful reflux.. Dd was formula fed, DS happily bf but after a 10-40min feed, he will reguarly chuck it all back up.. awful for him, frustrating for me, night feeds become sheet & clothes changes, resettling, more bf, and now I'm used to it, strategies such as having to feed him upright, really uncomfortable when half asleep propped in bed. can't even lean back, then holding him upright for at least 20-30mins afterwards to let it go down, with a muslin held permanently under his chin'just in case' confused

4everhopeful Mon 09-Sep-13 05:10:02

Oh yep, and fear all the commotion will wake 3yr old dd who will then come in & want a drink, and a cuddle, then a chat! Get her back off, and its time for ds again! Mind you, must admit, have also had blissful 7hrs between feeds on several occasions so can't complain!!!!

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:19:08

I'm here with my 5 week old too. I don't get it either.. If they're tired they're tired surely? Why does it make a difference whether they're in the basket or not?! The cat is looking at me like "can't you shut that thing up?"

Ditsy79 Mon 09-Sep-13 05:22:49

Also been up feeding my 5 week old all night...just cannot seem to calm her down at all. She is never normally this bad. Have changed her nappy 4 or 5 times since 11pm, and have lost count of the number of times I've fed her. She gets that drunken on milk look, so I wind her and then try to put her in the crib...and all hell breaks loose again. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, feel like a failure cos I can't get her settled at all.

DreamingOfTheMaldives Mon 09-Sep-13 05:29:27

I'm here too! DS is 11 days old and was awake from 1am to 3am and then again from 4.30am to 5.15am!! The MBM is awful, you find yourself silently pleading with anyone and everyone that just this once he will go down as soon as he's fed.

I am currently hooked up to the milking machine (while every other bugger in the house sleeps!) trying to get my supply going again. I had to reduce it a little as my boobs were enormous and painful and I think I was showing signs of mastitis - now my supply is almost non existent. Arggghhhh. I hate the milking machine! Mooooooo!

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:29:41

Ditsy if you're doing it wrong then I am too! You're not a failure, she's just having a bad night. Hopefully we'll all be able to nap a bit during the day!

islingtongirl Mon 09-Sep-13 05:30:23

Morning (!) - can I join you? Am up for the 3rd time feeding my 2 week old DD, totally understanding the MBM btw! Really hoping she will have a bit longer sleep after this (wishful thinking) as exhausted...she lulled me into a false sense of security last night and was going about 3 hours between feeds. Apparently that is not acceptable now so has halved that...confused

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:37:21

Morning Islington! 3 hours was a bit of a luxury ey? Mine is every 2. One magical time he went 4 and a half hours, it was bliss.

Dreaming I hope your supply sorts itself out soon. I have the opposite problem and am leaking so much I'm living in wet clothes and bed sheets.

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:38:53

YES! He's drifted off! The dummy has fallen out, the eyes are half closed, he's making sweet little sighing noises... Finally.

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 05:39:49

I'm not alone !!!!!!!!

Up feeding 4 day old DS. Tonight has been. Much better than last night as milk has come in but am getting DH's cold! Argh!

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 05:41:17

Well done sour!

Ditsy79 Mon 09-Sep-13 05:41:52

Just finished feeding her...am going to attempt putting her back in the crib...I know that she'll start screaming as soon as she hears my head touch the pillow though.(hmm)

islingtongirl Mon 09-Sep-13 05:43:29

Yay sour! Enjoy some sleep while you can! wink

Hey boosie - I'm still going too so will keep you company, hope you don't get that cold!

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:43:37

No, I spoke too soon.

Faith48 Mon 09-Sep-13 05:45:51

Still up.. Have put DS back in his Moses basket 3 times now with no luck. He is now again back on the boob.

islingtongirl Mon 09-Sep-13 05:54:16

Attempted to put DD down...she is wide awake...argh!

islingtongirl Mon 09-Sep-13 05:54:30

Oh rubbish Sour!

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 05:55:12

Hey Islingtongirl! How's it going?

Very pleased that I'm not alone. On the cold front I'm not too happy as (TMI warning) sneezing makes my stitches hurt!

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 05:56:17

Oh dear Faith. What keeps me going is thinking "he will tire himself out eventually!" And someone on another thread told me until 3months they should only be awake for an hour and a half at most. So I use that as a count down.

Ok mine is definitely asleep now (a noisy sleep, but still). So I will see you again tomorrow night. Good luck.

Sammie101 Mon 09-Sep-13 05:58:56

Thought third MBM attempt was the one, in at 5:07, screaming at 5:23 confused

I have a horrible cold too so I can't sleep well, she started stirring earlier at half 1, half an hour after she went down so my OH cuddled her in the living room till she fell asleep (2 hours!!) so I could get some sleep. And now after a huge crying session from me AND baby she is back asleep in my arms on the settee!

I really don't know what I'm doing wrong, plus I feel like the worlds worst mum because I ended up shouting at her hmm

islingtongirl Mon 09-Sep-13 06:00:02

Hey Boosie - not too bad, all things considered! How about you? Ahhh look its getting light now confused - Strangely makes me feel better though!

Night Sour, sleep well. Same time tomorrow?!

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 06:05:51

Oh Sammy that sounds rough!!! I hope you get some sleep soon [tea]

Islingtongirl, yep getting light! Can't believe I'm so thrilled about getting 4.5 hours sleep so far tonight. I'm certainly not looking forward to the next stage of the longer wakings.

Mooster1709 Mon 09-Sep-13 06:14:47

So pleased I've found you, if a bit late - can I join in?!

Have been wrestling with grunting baby since 4, having thought I was doing so well because she slept 12-4. Except of course I couldn't sleep then because kept waking up convinced she was about to need feeding. She's only 11 days old and am utterly knackered...

And what is with the grunting??

zippyrainbowbrite Mon 09-Sep-13 06:37:58

Hi all,

I feel your pain on the night feeds - we're having issues (which I'm really hoping to get sorted this week), so feeds take 1.5-2hrs!

Last night/ this morning DS (7wks) was up from 2.30-4, now again from 6, and I know after this feed he's only likely to sleep for 30 mins before he wakes up and decides its play time!

On the advice of a friend I've started to put a hot water bottle in his basket after I take him out to feed, then remove it as I put him back in . I've been doing this for a while now at night and he seems to go back down much better - I think it's because he gets all warm and snuggly on me, then his basket felt all cold. That and 10 mins of Ewan the sheep (white noise), and he seems to go off to sleep quite quickly, even though he pretty much always wakes up as I put him down.

Maybe worth a try for some of you, especially now the weather's changing?

Beautifulbabyboy Mon 09-Sep-13 06:40:25

Morning all! I am back and now feeling slightly guilty as my night wasn't nearly as bad as some on here! So sorry.

Anyway, if anyone perfects the MBM first time please can they let me know?!?


Ps the grunting is normal - technically it is their digestive system sorting itself out after birth and can last apparently for 3 months - practically it means even if they do go to sleep they are so noisy you can't! Ahhhh nature....

HelgatheHairy Mon 09-Sep-13 07:12:00

Good to know the grunting is normal but its baffling how someone so small can make noises that loud!

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 07:22:20

Definitely going to try the hot water bottle. I've been putting a blanket round DS when finishing feeding and winding so its warm when he goes in the crib. Dies that stop working??

White noise seems v useful. smile

Boosiehs Mon 09-Sep-13 07:27:39

Just hit 2 hours awake and feeding for most of that! I think ive run out of milk!!!!

SummerSevern Mon 09-Sep-13 07:31:49

I'm in too!
Just got 7wo dd down after a mammoth bout of constipation, involving me holding her legs and shouting 'Push!Push!' like she was in labour.
Not a bad night though. Fed at 9, 2 and 6 and went down relatively well, thanks to the good old Tranquil Turtle.
Shame I've been up all night with a cold!

BinarySolo Mon 09-Sep-13 13:21:39

Well ds2 has put on nearly 1lb since last weighed a week ago! Midwife has given me a gold star and called me breast feeder of the week!!

SourSweets Mon 09-Sep-13 23:24:42

Hello again. I went to bed at 8.30 tonight purely because baby was sleeping and I thought fuck it, this might not happen again. So it's only 11.20 and I'm on my second woke-up-to-feed feed.

I also have an incredibly grunty baby. I even started a thread about it a while back because I had no idea babies did that!

riskit4abiskit Tue 10-Sep-13 01:07:48

Hello! Have 6 day old DS asleep on my lap in bed
Have been wrestling with winding him, hope I can get some sleep soon!!

Boosiehs Tue 10-Sep-13 02:08:36

I'm now getting paranoid that I'm not offering enough milk to the baby. He fed 20 mins ish in one side then only about 10 on the other.

Midwife said he'd lost too much at first weigh in do an trying to feed him up! He's just really sleepy after the first 10 mins or so. I even changed his nappy after first noob to try and wake him but to no avail!

He's a big baby (born 9lb11), not sure whether anyone else has any experience of this ?


ElleBelly Tue 10-Sep-13 02:20:33

Been awake on the boob over an hour now here...suspect DS is just nibbling and taking his time, and why not, it's not as if anyone needs any sleep (!) am wrestling with my conscience about do I change his bum or put him straight back in crib once he's dozed off... On recent form it'll be less than two hours till he's up again.
I wish I had some advice Boosiehs I was told to wake DS to feed when he was small cos he was jaundiced, it's not easy to wake them though if they don't want to be woken! Plus they don't feed properly if they're sleepy. Good luck though, I'd just offer him the boob as much ad possible when awake.

BinarySolo Tue 10-Sep-13 03:37:35

My first Ds was badly jaundiced and had phototherapy. He was very sleepy so it was difficult to feed him. I used to change his nappy, tickle his feet and strip him off a bit to try to wake him up. Ds2 latched on for a feed minutes after being born. I can't believe the difference!

BraveLilBear Tue 10-Sep-13 03:43:24

Morning all. Anyone else find the MBM is severely affected by the angle of approach? Ours is against a wall so baby head on left, piece of cake. Baby head on right tho- like trying to snow spray a window with one's weak hand while leaning out (after 3 glasses of wine).

DS (7 weeks) has nodded off. Am giving him the obligatory one more game on solitaire to check he's definitely asleep....

Mooster1709 Tue 10-Sep-13 04:12:32

Oh I thought I'd got lucky tonight - DH took a bottle feed slot that I thought would be about 11pm, I went to bed and heard nothing more until 3.00 (poor DH had a bit of a disaster it seems -hope this won't put him off, it was our first attempt at him doing an expressed bottle). Now have a Moses basket refuser on my hands again...

I'm afraid I can'thelpmuch with the sleepy baby problem - i tried blowing on dd's face when she did it? The kellymom website had some good tips I think, on breast massage/ compression as well which might help?

PuddingAndHotMilk Tue 10-Sep-13 05:14:25

Oooh, can I join? I also struggle with the dreaded MBM and the angle of the dangle is a nightmare!
DD is 6wo and like a pp said I completely understand how sleep deprivation is used as torture!

Some nights she's so fast asleep on the boob I don't wind or change her for fear of making the 30 min 'splash and dash' into a 2 hour marathon I then lie in bed feeling guilty so don't sleep anyway sad

Hope you and your LOs are all sleeping soundly. About to attempt the MBM, wish me luck!

Boosiehs Tue 10-Sep-13 05:21:47

Thanks all. We're using "pink noise" to help DS settle. It's not quite as random as white noise seems to be helping.

This feed seems less difficult. More awake and feeding better. I guess that's the way it goes !

Ah, 5.20 am. Lovely. Now if I could just do something with my elephantine ankles and feet that would be nice.

riskit4abiskit Tue 10-Sep-13 23:35:47

How often does everyone change nappies during the night? In the day we change before or after every feed. Midwife said it was fine to miss a change at night if its just wet but our little fellow seems to do lots of poos at a week old and I don't want to leave him in poo.

Mooster1709 Wed 11-Sep-13 02:14:44

I try not to change at night, but always feel guilty... Thing is, if I change her she's wide awake and will thn take an hour to go back to sleep.

SourSweets Thu 12-Sep-13 06:15:29

I change once or twice a night, only ever before a feed rather than after as I don't want to wake him.

SummerSevern Fri 13-Sep-13 03:08:41

I only change if there's poop. I was told nappy rash is caused by urine mixing with poo, so just wet on its own is fine.

Mouserama Fri 13-Sep-13 04:12:30

I only change the nappy if there is poo. Wee nappies can wait!

SourSweets Fri 13-Sep-13 04:17:10

The worst is when you hear a massive poo, get up to change and realise it was just wind with a little fart residue.

Boosiehs mine would fuss and fall asleep I would remove clothes, tickle, wiggle, blow, sing talk. He would still fall asleep. To top it off he was full of wind and after being put to bed would cry and grunt with wind. He grew out of it by 2 months and now eats like a trooper and never grunts.

islingtongirl Fri 13-Sep-13 11:11:11

Hi everyone - how are you all doing? Ive had a rough few nights...DD doesn't seem to want to settle, feeding every hour or so,v fussy at feeds, crying, arching away etc but still wants to feed - do you think this is wind/reflux? Feeling v sleep deprived today!

Feminine Fri 13-Sep-13 12:04:32

I think if you feed them on the basket liner/mattress it will be easier to place them down...(same temperature)

Pick them all up together... Of course this idea is tricky once they move to a cot ! wink

Good luck with all.

SummerSevern Fri 13-Sep-13 12:41:11

Islington that's what my dd was doing. We switched to reflux milk which solved the problem but gave her horrendous constipation. So now we're trying comfort milk. Fingers crossed.
Alternatively, do you think she might be ready for the next sized teat?

islingtongirl Sat 14-Sep-13 13:03:32

Hi Summer - I'm breastfeeding, although have been expressing a couple of times and she takes the bottle pretty well now. So sadly cant solve this by changing milk or teat size confused. Having said that we had a better night last night, although she is still waking to feed every 1.5-2 hours there wasn't as much screaming! How is everyone else today?

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