Would you report - yes or no?

(280 Posts)
fluffyraggies Fri 06-Sep-13 11:13:56

Quick poll:

A person you know, not family, is growing, using and selling weed (in high enough quantities to turn a tidy profit) year round.

Would you report them to the police?

Yes.

tywysogesgymraeg Fri 06-Sep-13 11:14:46

No. Stay out of it.

Svrider Fri 06-Sep-13 11:14:58

Nope
Might ask for a freebie tho, for medicinal purposes wink

Rollermum Fri 06-Sep-13 11:15:14

No

Nope

Just couldn't find it in myself to give a crap

Unless they were claiming benefits because they couldn't declare the income.

BrokenSunglasses Fri 06-Sep-13 11:15:20

No.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:15:36

yes

SoupDragon Fri 06-Sep-13 11:15:41

Yes, I think I would. Using, no. Growing and selling, yes.

TigerSwallowTail Fri 06-Sep-13 11:15:46

No.

PoppadomPreach Fri 06-Sep-13 11:16:04

Yes.

quoteunquote Fri 06-Sep-13 11:17:28

If it bothers you sit down and talk to them about it.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:17:31

I cant understand people NOT reporting...

weed can affect people hugely and have a detrimental effect for many relationships and individuals.

even as a lesser drug, things escalate, people get hooked.

scurryfunge Fri 06-Sep-13 11:17:33

Yes, do it via crimestoppers

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:17:43

No. Wouldn't bother or affect me. Nothing to do with me.

I know people who are selling much stronger drugs than weed, and its none of my business.

Ime they will get caught out soon enough, without people reporting them.

Mojavewonderer Fri 06-Sep-13 11:17:48

Growing & selling...yes of course!

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:18:06

talk to a drug dealer? shock errrr no

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 11:18:36

No.None of my business,not killing anyone.

sparkle12mar08 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:18:41

They're a dealer, of course I would!

valiumredhead Fri 06-Sep-13 11:19:33

Quite, talk to a drug dealer,err no thanks!

I'd mind my own bees wax!

TheProsAndConsOfHitchhiking Fri 06-Sep-13 11:19:37

Nope.

SoupDragon Fri 06-Sep-13 11:21:32

I know people who are selling much stronger drugs than weed, and its none of my business.

Really? You don't have any feeling of community responsibility? confused

SoupDragon Fri 06-Sep-13 11:23:03

I would report because I don't want them selling to my children. Or other children.

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:24:08

No, because if people choose to buy it then that's thier choice.
They arnt pushing it on anyone.

OldBeanbagz Fri 06-Sep-13 11:24:19

Growing & selling - definitely YES!

happyscouse Fri 06-Sep-13 11:24:30

yes..what soupdragon said.

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 11:25:49

Yes I would, because selling makes him a drug-dealer, and he can and will go to prison for it.

I hate drugs. Anyone with kids does, surely. It's them we should be thinking off, not someone who is making money at it.

Use it yourself ( I have no problem with people who want to fry their brains) but selling it to others, no.

OddSockMonster Fri 06-Sep-13 11:26:39

Yes, having seen the effect it can have, I probably would. If it was just for their own use, I'd leave them to it.

LadyKatherine Fri 06-Sep-13 11:26:45

Absolutely would yes. And without remorse too.

fluffyraggies Fri 06-Sep-13 11:26:46

I'm listening ... it's a genuine situation.

JerseySpud Fri 06-Sep-13 11:27:16

Yes

The minute we stop caring about the community is the minute the human race is fucked.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 06-Sep-13 11:27:24

No

ISolemnlySwearThatIAmUptoNoGoo Fri 06-Sep-13 11:27:55

They are dealing drugs yes i would report.

Cuddlydragon Fri 06-Sep-13 11:28:00

Yes. Simply to stop them selling to other people's kids.

Not unless they were smoking the putrid stuff upwind from me.

CatAmongThePigeons Fri 06-Sep-13 11:28:13

Yes, I would report without a moments hesitation.

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:29:36

But it's the people who use it themselves who keep these dealers in business. IMO they are all as bad as each other and ruining thier lives/putting thier lives at risk perfectly well on their own without someone reporting them when/if its not directly affecting them.

If it was directly affecting me, they were dealing to someone I loved for example, yes I would report them. But if it was just because I knew they were (because small towns know everything!) then I have more important things to worry about.

usualsuspect Fri 06-Sep-13 11:30:24

No

animaniac Fri 06-Sep-13 11:31:10

Yes I would report it - they're a drug dealer. They could be selling it to your kids next.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 11:31:13

Yes.

SixPackWellies Fri 06-Sep-13 11:31:17

Yes

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops Fri 06-Sep-13 11:31:23

Yes

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 11:32:51

Its all very well saying what youd do in an ideal world but in real life with real people its not as sinple as that.Real life,real people.To know they sell you gotta be pretty close to them.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 06-Sep-13 11:33:53

I have a child I can not say I hate drugs

I do not like the effect drugs have on communities but we need to change our attitude drugs are around they are not going away we have to teach responsibility not scare tactics as they do not work. I expect ds will dabble in taking drugs at some point I would be foolish to think otherwise

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 11:35:53

You may feel differently Freud when he is outside the local school selling packages to your child. It happens here.

Limited I can honestly say I'd report, no matter how close.

mum23girlys Fri 06-Sep-13 11:36:44

Yes I would

WafflyVersatile Fri 06-Sep-13 11:37:57

No I wouldn't.

Parietal Fri 06-Sep-13 11:38:15

No, let it go

(I support legalisation anyway)

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 11:38:37

no i would not all of you who say yes need to get a grip/get lives watever

CatAmongThePigeons Fri 06-Sep-13 11:38:59

Having been in the drugs 'scene' I have reported before and would do again.

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:39:00

captainmummy if that was the situation then yes I would report, purely for the drug pushing!

But if someone is quietly selling drugs to people going to them, no pushing involved whatsoever, then I would see it as none of my business.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 11:39:13

PM me the details and I'll do it.

AFishWithoutABicycle Fri 06-Sep-13 11:40:22

No

FreudiansSlipper Fri 06-Sep-13 11:40:34

I would certainly report someone selling drugs to children outside a school i see that more as pushing that is not what the op asked

WafflyVersatile Fri 06-Sep-13 11:42:08

Time and again experts advise making it legal. This person probably hasn't the slightest need to hang about selling drugs to kids. I doubt he can keep up with demand from adults who can choose whether they want a spliff or a glass of wine or whatever.

Wine is just as harmful to many people. Even naice middle class people knocking it back at home while judging others.

TheSmallPrint Fri 06-Sep-13 11:42:35

yes

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 11:42:44

yes me too but that is different, was not in the question at all.
at my kids infant school one dinner lady was selling speed in the playground to the mums and dads, i reported her offc.
if someone is selling weed to their mates, leave it alone imo

Yes

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 11:43:50

the whole meme or trope of the drug dealer at the school gates waiting to get kids hooked is a bit whiffy anyway

Ezza1 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:43:57

Depends who is growing it, where they are growing it, what sort they are growing and who their market is predominantly is.

comingalongnicely Fri 06-Sep-13 11:44:48

Not generally, no...

SoupDragon Fri 06-Sep-13 11:46:05

No, because if people choose to buy it then that's thier choice.
They arnt pushing it on anyone.

You have a very naive and sanitised idea of drug use and addiction.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:48:06

I dont think people who would report a drug dealer should 'get a life', thw people who jusy turn a blind eye should maybe start caring about their communities

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 11:48:26

I was talking about the dealers I know soupdragon

I have a very strong knowledge and experience of drugs/dealers/pushers etc and am not naive about it in anyway Thankyou very much.

greenbananas Fri 06-Sep-13 11:48:56

This is a really difficult one.

I lost about 10 years of my life to my addiction to weed. Since that time, I have worked with many young people who smoke weed, and I know how much damage it can do.

What do you think, in your heart of hearts that you ought to do?

SaucyJack Fri 06-Sep-13 11:49:47

Er, no.

Half the bloody country is smoking it.

It's not something I can be bothered to get my panties in a wad over.

fackinell Fri 06-Sep-13 11:50:13

If I thought they wouldn't suspect me and then yes, definitely. Weed can lead you to other things and can exacerbate MH probs. I have a friend with severe MH probs after starting with weed. It's ruined her life and that of her children.

AuntieStella Fri 06-Sep-13 11:51:18

Selling? Yes, report.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:52:48

half the country used to smoke tobacco despite the awful side effects. I cant believe so many people dont care

it can cause paranoia and people gwt addicted. I hate how its become almost normalised. how are peopke supposed to protwct their kids if half the peopke see it as normal or cool?

pisses me off

Jengnr Fri 06-Sep-13 11:54:13

No.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 11:54:46

my fat fingers and phone seemed to have conspired against me

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 11:54:46

In Spain you are allowed to grow 5-6 plants for your 'own use'. We have friends who do this, and I am a bit hmm only because they also have a >5yo dd.
My dps NDN went to prison for 6 months for growing it - his brain is fried and he is abusive and violent to everyone around him due to the Extra-Strong 'skunk' he has smoked for decades.
Neither of these 'push' it; it is for their own use, so I am reasonably ok with it -BUT I have also seen 'friends' go from smoking a 'bit of weed' to smoking coke within a year. Lives are ruined, there is no way back (or forward).

If he is selling, report.

fluffyraggies Fri 06-Sep-13 11:55:18

green in my heart i think i should. I'm not sure what's stopping me.

I don't know exactly who it gets sold to. He has allot of buyers.

nextphase Fri 06-Sep-13 12:04:27

Yes, report. Weed killed my brother.
If I could stop another set of parents posibilily loosing their child, I'd report in a flas.

Pendeen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:06:10

Yes certainly. They are drug dealers.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 06-Sep-13 12:06:12

No. They are doing a public service.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 12:06:51

public service?

Wuxiapian Fri 06-Sep-13 12:07:36

No.

Not your business.

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:08:22

Even I am hmm at public service?!

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood Fri 06-Sep-13 12:08:30

Yes if they are dealing.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 12:08:50

No.

SpecificRim Fri 06-Sep-13 12:09:13

Good grief, I'm shocked at some of the opinions here - being told to a grip/life and that half the country is smoking it, I really hope that's not the case.

Yes I would report of course.

WandaDoff Fri 06-Sep-13 12:09:41

Nope.

Nothing to do with me.

SaucyJack Fri 06-Sep-13 12:14:02

Smoking weed is no more or less harmful than drinking alcohol in terms of addiction or social damage IME.

There are millions of people who can and do enjoy the odd spliff with no problems, in the same way that most of us can have a G&T on a Sat night without becoming alkies.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:14:17

No.

Agree with whoever it was that said the whole drugs being pushed outside school gates is ridiculous.

Madlizzy Fri 06-Sep-13 12:14:24

Yes, I would. Not because I'm bosom hoiking, but because what the drug can do. Also, a dealer will attract all sorts of kinds of people in the neighbourhood - burglars, muggers, prostitutes. As for not pushing stuff on kids, not heard of kids being given a freebie to get them hooked and wanting to be a customer? Weed is nasty, brain frying stuff and can take all the life and soul of a person.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:15:11

Agree with that SaucyJack.

Mama1980 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:16:02

Yes I would.

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:18:03

Yes madlizzy I have heard of kids being given a freebie but that doesn't mean every drug dealer does that!

Believe it or not, although slightly strange, some dealers do still have some morals!

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:18:15

Also, a dealer will attract all sorts of kinds of people in the neighbourhood - burglars, muggers, prostitutes

For weed? no.

You might be surprised to know what 'sort of people' make up the average weed sellers custom base. Not the 'low lifes' you seem to be picturing.

As for not pushing stuff on kids, not heard of kids being given a freebie to get them hooked and wanting to be a customer?

Heard it yes, is it true? No.

garlicbargain Fri 06-Sep-13 12:18:19

If this person is running a 'factory', then I absolutely would report it because they are probably involved with slave traffickers and other hideous forms of industrial crime.

If they're growing & curing it on their own, a one-person cottage industry, I wouldn't report. They're breaking the law but also taking business away from big businesses who use slaves & guns.

PrincessKildare Fri 06-Sep-13 12:18:55

I'm with Soupdragon. Id report it to protect my children. as some one says further up the thread, it may begin with canabis but is often escalates. Report it.

Dogonabeanbag Fri 06-Sep-13 12:19:49

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Fairy1303 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:20:36

Nope.

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 12:21:05

Tough one.

They are actually doing something illegal. I don't want my kids to ever touch weed...it's not called dope for nothing!

Not paying tax on earnings.

Though tempting to stay out of it, I'd probably do the cowardly anon. thing and report it.

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 12:21:19

Amber - they stand outside the secondary school here, hoods up, ready to dive down an alley to trade. I've seen them with my own eyes - and not only weed. Stronger stuff, glue, poppers whatever. Teachers now come out of the gates to supervise - and sometimes the police are there too (in which case the pushers move up te road.) This is a nice quiet small town in surrey, so guaranteed it's happening in your vicinity

PrincessKildare Fri 06-Sep-13 12:22:12

Amberleaf...... dont be so naive, children are often given freebies and then "loaned" all sorts of drugs, not always to get them hooked but often tomrecruit them as runners etc.

LegArmpits Fri 06-Sep-13 12:22:18

No.

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:23:15

that is horrifying captainmummy.....
half of the local secondary school would seem to be on strong weed, with E's and vodka for amusement at the weekend.
the problem here is that there is literallly nothing else to do

Is it not a fire risk too?

Yes if you could do so safely. I have previously reported a dealer.

I had a friend whose life was wrecked in her 20's by cannabis induced pyschosis (diagnosed when she was sectioned).

SilverOldie Fri 06-Sep-13 12:25:45

If grown for their own use - no. If grown to sell - yes.

SaucyJack Fri 06-Sep-13 12:26:21

The whole "gateway drug" thing the the strongest argument for legalization, shirley?

If it was legal, and you could pick it up at the tobacco counter with your pasta salad and bottled water you wouldn't need to worry about coming into contact with undesirables or being held down and injected with smack or whatever else it is you think happens when people pop round to pick up an 8th.

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 12:26:22

Interesting though, kid at the end of our street has been knocking out weed for a while.

The house has been raided twice in the last few months and he has just sat his GCSE's months after being thrown out of school.

I'll watch his future hopeful that this hasn't ruined his life, silly little sod. The blokes handing it over to him and his mates around the corner don't look the sort you'd want your teen hanging out with either!

To those thinking weed is pretty harmless; you're wrong!

And no, I didn't report him because I didn't have to. Everyone else in the community did.

His poor parents!

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:27:31

Glue? sorry I'm trying not to laugh. is it 1979?

Poppers? what those totally legal things that you can buy anywhere?

If people are selling weed outside your school gate, then they are selling it, not giving it away for free.

I live in SE London and I don't know of any weed dealers that give freebies to kids. Its a business not a charity project.

I have two teenage boys who have managed to live and go to school round here and have never been offered drugs of any kind for free or to buy.

Staggeringly, my 13 yr old son has had a couple of people ask him if he can get weed for them, probably because he is black and...of course that means hes a drug dealer, but that's another thread.

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 12:27:51

Noone can honestly say that they would,unless you actually came in that position.Weed causes mental health problems etc yes,but a person chooses to smoke it or eat it noone makes them.Its not addictive thats proven so for me i would leave well alone.Alcohol causes worse problems IMO.There will always be drug dealers,you can say youre getting rid of one to stop your kids coming into contact with drugs but please dont be naive and think there are not so many opportunities in ther lifetime that theyre going to be in contact with the situation.Its not just some dodgy man at the schoolgate ( ?) You probably see people everyday who have drug connections and you wouldnt have a clue.

Yes.

Growing for the purpose of selling is illegal.

I also see the poor fuckers suffering from drug induced psychosis and think the nonchalance around cannabis is stupid.

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:30:42

have to agree with AmberLeaf about the 'glue and poppers' - glue is not what teenagers are into, hasnt been for a long time.
Amberleaf I almost wonder if I know you sometimes.....grin

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:31:14

Amberleaf...... dont be so naive, children are often given freebies and then "loaned" all sorts of drugs, not always to get them hooked but often tomrecruit them as runners etc

I am far from naive.

lougle Fri 06-Sep-13 12:31:25

Yes.

catgirl1976 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:31:49

No

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 12:33:10

I think amber leaf sounds the least naive

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:33:18

Maybe you do burberryqueen grin

I had to explain to my then 15 yr old why he could go to the shop to buy some superglue when he was trying to fix something, he had no clue about that sort of solvent abuse.

Floggingmolly Fri 06-Sep-13 12:33:36

Yes.

HandMini Fri 06-Sep-13 12:33:40

Please report. Here are my reasons:

We all have a duty to society to live by the rules. Whether or not YOU think cannabis should be legalised, our government currently doesn't.

Cannabis has terrible mental health effects.

Cannabis is a gateway drug.

I am sure none of the tidy profit you reference is being declared for tax purposes. Cheats and swindlers always piss me off.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Fri 06-Sep-13 12:34:22

No.

If it was shit though with crappy weights then Yes, out of spite grin

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 12:34:29

Yes.

theoriginalandbestrookie Fri 06-Sep-13 12:34:40

No.
Hard drugs, yes, without a doubt, cannabis, no.

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:37:24

Amberleaf you used to smoke but gave up right?
and do your boys attend a school with a bit of history?

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 12:38:27

There's a difference between someone over the age of 18 choosing to smoke cannabis for recreation and a 13 year old getting in with the wrong crowd and getting involved in the murky world of drug dealing before their life has really started.

Alcohol has an age limit and is controlled to a degree. Cannabis is often smoked with tobacco and is more dangerous to an under-developed brain.

So OP, as you can't say who they're selling it to; I would actually really consider reporting it.

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 12:41:04

Yeah alcohol has an age limit,but does that mean that underage drinking isnt occurring?

Lmao at glue and poopers.

More likely ketamine and cocaine.

No, I wouldn't report. Just because doing so round here would probably get me stabbed or my house torched.

BuskersCat Fri 06-Sep-13 12:43:39

Cannabis is NOT a gateway drug. People can just smoke weed you know, and never ever want to, or have the inclination to do other things. That's like saying if you enjoy ginger beer you are going to be swigging bottles of vodka.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 12:45:12

Amberleaf you used to smoke but gave up right?

Yes, but I will state cigarettes seeing as we are on this thread I feel the need to clarify!

and do your boys attend a school with a bit of history?

Not that I can think of?

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:45:13

yes mcat and ketamine - glue is soooo seventies yah?

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 12:45:20

To all the people saying no, do you take it yourself? Or do your children take it?

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 12:46:31

yes one of them does, it is a real worry in fact but dobbing in one weed dealer who is probably punting a bit to his mates isnt going to stop him is it?

theoriginalandbestrookie Fri 06-Sep-13 12:46:46

I said no and I don't take it and DS is only 7 so I do hope he isn't either grin

Lj8893 Fri 06-Sep-13 12:48:36

I said no.

I have taken recreational drugs in the past, and am actually quite anti drug taking now.

I don't have children yet.

Madlizzy Fri 06-Sep-13 12:50:38

What I stated up there I stand by. I've seen it happen. You'd be surprised what some people will do for a bit of skunk. I've seen what it's done to people too, including a couple of friends. Oh, and weed also caused the dead of my eldest brother. years ago, but it still caused it.

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 12:52:32

I have no idea if it ultimately stops some of them growing it, but it would at least temporarily stop some of the supply.

And if that meant that the price went up, that would stop maybe younger teenagers having access to it? Which may delay them long enough, to at least make some of them stop and think?

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 12:53:14

Report it fluffyraggies

BuskersCat Fri 06-Sep-13 12:54:55

No yellow, weed doesn't work like that you may get a little less for your £10 but the price will remain the same

RaspberrySchnapps Fri 06-Sep-13 12:55:25

yes report it. for all the reasons the others saying yes have given.

Leviticus Fri 06-Sep-13 12:55:47

Yes. Anonymously via Crimestoppers.

garlicbargain Fri 06-Sep-13 12:57:24

I gave up illegal drugs about 25 years ago. I 'disapprove' of skunk and untested chemical highs. But I still feel very strongly that all the drugs should be de-criminalised. And I wouldn't report this producer unless he was using slaves, stealing electricity, or doing other unethical things like servicing high-volume traffickers.

As to the undeclared income - well, that's the nation's choice. If his trade was legal, he could pay tax on it.

Twunk Fri 06-Sep-13 13:00:24

I live in a country where you can go into a shop and buy it (obvious where I am).

It is also legal to keep a few plants at home for your own use.

Tbh I see less of a problem here than I did in the UK. But then I was a teenager in the UK and I'm a proper grown-up here.

Disregarding theories about drug use there are three points that are also relevant

- It's dangerous - can cause massive wager leaks and fires

- they are probably stealing massive amounts of electricity

- chances are they are also in receipt of benefits

My sense of fairness would probably lead me to report

Twunk Fri 06-Sep-13 13:01:45

Wager = water <sigh>

Pendeen Fri 06-Sep-13 13:04:40

fluffyraggies

After @ 140 replies and an amazing divergence of opinions (I admit I am truly staggered at some replies) , will you report it?

livinginwonderland Fri 06-Sep-13 13:08:08

I wouldn't report it. I've never taken drugs in my life either.

Oldandcobwebby Fri 06-Sep-13 13:12:14

Another yes here, with Crimestoppers. I have no time for dealers.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 13:13:31

I have tried it, don't have any desire to do so again.

My children don't.

GobTheGoblin Fri 06-Sep-13 13:20:30

Yes, report them.

DuelingFanjo Fri 06-Sep-13 13:21:45

no

Doyouthinktheysaurus Fri 06-Sep-13 13:23:41

I would report.

I honestly think it is a lot more harmful than alcohol.

I work with people with MH problems, some of whom self medicate with weed and it really can exacerbate symptoms and trigger relapse.

Most dealers don't vet their client group, they will sell to anyone with the money which includes vulnerable people!

I'm quite shocked at the amount of people who would turn the other cheek tbh. But then working on mental health for a number of years has really opened my eyes to the damage drugs can do. Even so called 'soft' drugs.

strokey Fri 06-Sep-13 13:24:04

I wouldn't either. A friend of mine makes thousands every few months from growing. Im really impressed actually, just as I would be by any other business venture. There is a lot to it and you need quite a bit of knowledge, not to mention an initial outlay.

He isn't on the dole but has a crap part time job in a shop. Pot smokers don't burgle houses to feed their habit. I see it as a totally harmless activity.

People that report are just annoyed at the tax free income

SacreBlue Fri 06-Sep-13 13:24:08

Every single person I have known that has used weed regularly has also been using other drugs. The electrical risks associated with growing on a sizeable scale, the 'traffic' that would be associated with a dealers home and my personal experiences of how weed addiction can cripple a persons life (and affect their family) would make it a no brainer for me.

I would report. Even family.

BMW6 Fri 06-Sep-13 13:25:00

God yes, report.

I know a lot of people who smoke it (all of them hold down full time jobs and are responsible adults) a few who grow for recreational and another who grows it as a supplier.

I wouldn't report.

LurcioLovesFrankie Fri 06-Sep-13 13:32:57

Yes, and I have done so in the past (not someone I knew growing the stuff, but dealers squatting in a nearby house, who I saw dealing to young teens). Did so anonymously from a public telephone (back in the days when there were such things).

FreckledLeopard Fri 06-Sep-13 13:39:08

No, definitely wouldn't report it. I support legalisation of drugs and do not believe in imprisoning individuals for selling a natural growing plant to others.

HmmmWhatAMess Fri 06-Sep-13 13:40:22

Just resort it. Call 101 and you can remain anonymous.

I real can't believe that people think this is acceptable. These dealers arrunning a business and if cocaine or heroin become more lucrative for them they they will sell it. Would you want your dc's to become a paying customer?

I have anonymously reported two cannabis dealers - both had stretches in prison as a result, and one was a childhood friend. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 13:44:47

LimitedEdition agreed, under age drinking is common, but alcohol and its effects are discussed openly in society, as are campaigns for responsible drinking.
There are safeguards that at least aim to keep it away from kids.
Weed and harder drugs are not sold by a shopkeeper who can make a judgement call as to whether you're old enough or sober enough.
Kids are more likely to get their hands on booze in their parents drinks cabinet which is preferable to my mind than some adult in a transit parked on street corners getting a 13 year old to do his drug running.

I can't condone it. A lot of parents would be clueless about drugs and what to look out for. You can only try to educate your kids to the dangers and consequences and hope for the best it would seem.

My area of London is awash with the smell of weed and it seems no one gives a shit. Apart from the Parents of the silly little sod at the end of my street that have had the drug squad ransack their home twice.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 13:45:31

These dealers arrunning a business and if cocaine or heroin become more lucrative for them they they will sell it

If?

Cocaine and heroin are much more lucrative though?

Madlizzy Fri 06-Sep-13 13:46:04

I'm not annoyed at the tax free income. I'd be annoyed that someone was selling drugs in the neighbourhood my children are growing up in. Ridiculous comment!

Given that they are turning a decent profit, I'd report, especially if I suspected they were in receipt of significant benefits.

I wouldn't if it was just a little bit for own consumption.

pictish Fri 06-Sep-13 13:47:30

No I wouldn't.

Hellonewworld Fri 06-Sep-13 13:50:09

No I would keep my nose out of it.

usualsuspect Fri 06-Sep-13 13:50:18

I know loads of people who smoke weed and don't use other drugs.

AmberLeaf Fri 06-Sep-13 13:51:16

Me too usual and they have been smoking it for years, yet never gone onto use other drugs.

Finney2 Fri 06-Sep-13 13:51:34

Where there are drug dealers there is other organised crime. I went on a drug bust with my local police force. This guy was selling massive quantities of cannabis from his normal, suburban home. He employed about 30 local kids as lookouts, 3 other smaller-time dealers and about 10 'enforcer' type people.

He had even bought a small plane and trained a local bouncer as a pilot to import bigger quantities from Europe. A few years before all this he had just been a normal guy.

This kind of thing is terrible for communities trying to live quiet lives. They end up feeling threatened, intimidated, fearful for their safety even if no-one has explicitly said anything to them. Imagine living next door to a drug dealer. All kinds of undesirables turning up at all hours.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 13:51:44

I said no don't report it.

I used to smoke weed yes. I did from the age of 16 until I was 27. The only reason I don't now is because I quit smoking cigarettes due to the cost involved. So had to quit weed as well because I smoked it as opposed to baking with it. grin

Never drink alcohol though, and never have done. Seen far too much damage done to friends and family through drink. It's a disgusting drug which causes health and social issues in abundance and ruins many many many lives.

Oh how I loved having a nice fat joint and relaxing on a summers evening after a long day at work.

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Fri 06-Sep-13 13:52:00

No I wouldn't, and I do know a family, I have no idea about their 'profit'.

Finney2 Fri 06-Sep-13 13:52:01

So yes, I would report in a heartbeat.

HandMini Fri 06-Sep-13 13:55:14

Strokey - People that report are just annoyed at the tax free income - quite rightly so. Do you think it's ok not to pay tax on your income? This is a separate argument from the drug ethics one but no less valid.

LtEveDallas Fri 06-Sep-13 13:55:23

Yes I would. Weed was a contributary factor to my brothers' addiction problems, mental health issues and ultimately his murder.

I would happily report. If that stopped one more family going through what mine did, then I'd be satisfied.

Hawkmoon269 Fri 06-Sep-13 13:56:00

Yep. Straight away.

TheSecondComing Fri 06-Sep-13 13:56:28

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TartyMcTart Fri 06-Sep-13 13:59:29

No.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:02:09

I find this whole thread such depressing reading sad

bloody hell the amount of people who don't care!

Boosterseat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:02:14

I would report someone growing and selling

I do however support the legalisation of cannabis.

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 14:03:25

Of those saying 'no', how would you feel if your kids got involved?

Like properly involved in dealing to the point of prison sentences?

Would you want that for your kids any more than you'd want them to grow up an alcoholic? Would you intervene if you saw kids necking cider night after night in the local park?

At what point do people decide there's nothing to be done?

GaryBuseysTeeth Fri 06-Sep-13 14:03:28

Yes.

Although chances are Police are aware and don't have enough evidence to do anything....

Using? No.
Growing and selling? Yes.

Seen too many of my old school friends die as addicts in the last couple of years, they started on cannabis when we were at school.
Some of the crowd either don't take anything now or only have an occasional smoke, but for every one of them there are two or three addicts and there have been 7 deaths in the last couple of years.

I'd have to disagree with those who say its not a gateway drug.

ilovexmastime Fri 06-Sep-13 14:04:10

No. Unless they're stood outside a school selling it, then I'd have a problem with it. If they're just selling their surplus to friends then no problem.

superlambanana Fri 06-Sep-13 14:06:02

Yes I would definitely report it.

BuskersCat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:06:06

I would tell my child to not sell drugs, I would also help them out of the situation. I would not be calling the police on them at all.

When DD becomes a teenager I would be happier with her coming home stoned than pissed (I'd prefer neither but weed over booze all the time)

usualsuspect Fri 06-Sep-13 14:06:17

I've seen far more people die from alcohol related illnesses.

ilovexmastime Fri 06-Sep-13 14:09:49

In answer to Snooping...

If my kids got involved to the point that they got prison sentences for dealing then I would be horrified that they'd been so stupid.

No, I wouldn't want that for them anymore than I'd want them to grow up an alcoholic. But I also recognise a middle ground, where people drink sociably and where people also smoke sociably.

I wouldn't intervene if I saw kids necking cider either. In both instances it's not because I feel that there's nothing to be done, rather that I believe people should be free to make their own choices.

WafflyVersatile Fri 06-Sep-13 14:10:19

NotYoMomma

I hope you are campaigning for making alcohol illegal, or don't you caaare? sad

Disagreeing with the illegality of cannibas isn't the same as not caring.

ilovexmastime Fri 06-Sep-13 14:10:28

me too BuskersCat!

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 14:14:29

IloveXmas fair enough.

I can't help thinking that kids don't really know what they're doing when they get involved in drugs before leaving school. It's frequently a dark world before they've even experienced true adult freedom.

Sad. Just depressingly sad.

hardboiledpossum Fri 06-Sep-13 14:17:45

I wouldn't. I'm not sure why not. I think that i think most drugs should be legalized and controlled. But i don't agree with drug dealers and i would hope that other people would report them. I am a bit confused about how i feel about this one.

I smoked weed and took e and coke in my teenage years but it really messed me up. I hope that my children never touch drugs.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:21:52

I would actually support tge legalisation of it actually but as it stands it is breaking the law, and people dont care about that.

I view that as a slippery slope.

I also would hope once it was legal peopke would talk more openly about it like tobacco

except rather than 'tobacco causes cancer, it stinks and is horrible' it would be 'weed can make you mentally ill, cause paranoia, wastes money, stinks and is horrible'

and hopefully legalisation would actually make use of it decline as sadly there IS a culture of 'its alright Man, its only weed, its cool' about it all.

so that is my full view - but I HATE the idea that it does NO harm, and people wouldnt report it. it is illegal. THE UNDECLAIRED income is not my vandetta but it is also annoying

MrsOakenshield Fri 06-Sep-13 14:26:33

unless you can prove they are selling it, then no. I know someone who got a 2-year prison sentence for intent to supply because he was growing a lot of weed at home - it was for his own consumption (he did share/give it to friends but never sold it).

If you are sure they are selling it, then yes, report them.

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:27:14

I would if I knew they had kids.
I wouldn't want anyone taking mind altering substances and being the responsible adult for a child.
Things could go wrong.
Otherwise, I'd probably leave it.
Unless I had suspicion they were selling to children or vulnerable adults in which case I'd also report.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 14:28:00

I would tell my child to not sell drugs, I would also help them out of the situation. I would not be calling the police on them at all.

When DD becomes a teenager I would be happier with her coming home stoned than pissed (I'd prefer neither but weed over booze all the time)

This. ^^

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:28:25

how can you tell who is a vulnerable adult at a glance tHough?

if they are selling it to anyone it should be reported

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 14:29:00

I wouldn't report teenagers if I saw them drinking cider either.

BuskersCat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:29:26

Never have a glass of wine in the evening Aint?

RoxyFox211 Fri 06-Sep-13 14:31:16

No.

MrsDavidBowie Fri 06-Sep-13 14:32:18

Definitely.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:32:27

thats not currently illegal buskers

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:32:59

I dont anyway mind!

garlicbargain Fri 06-Sep-13 14:35:37

NotYo and others, I don't blindly uphold the law and I do not consider myself wrong in this. I wouldn't have reported a gay couple before 1967, or a neighbour throwing out food during WW2. Would you?

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:36:09

Not I mean someone I know is a vulnerable adult. I naturally couldn't tell from a glance.

I just feel out of all the drugs weed is the least dangerous in the sense it can't kill you. However, I think it does create a bit of a state of 'blahness' as people seem to get really lazy when they take it.

HepsibarCrinkletoes Fri 06-Sep-13 14:39:16

Nah. I'd take a bag too

BeenFluffy Fri 06-Sep-13 14:39:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NotYoMomma Fri 06-Sep-13 14:39:57

no of course I wouldnt but it is hardly comparable

1) a gay cpupke in love diesnt affect anyone else and shpuld be no ones business

2) growing weed in a residential area, causing (no doubt) a stink! and damaging communities.

yes lots of people smoke and are alright Jack and have a drug dealer who just sells to mates adults but there are plenty who dont. at the minute there is a line and I would report

Pantone363 Fri 06-Sep-13 14:40:10

No.

I know people who grow and sell. The idea of dealers hanging around schools "pushing" to kids is ridiculous. It just doesn't happen, they have more than enough adult business to sustain them. That's not to say those adults don't then go on to deal in small amounts to teenagers, but the idea of someone pushing outside of schools belongs in a 1980s dangers of drugs booklet.

Elsiequadrille Fri 06-Sep-13 14:41:57

Yes

cory Fri 06-Sep-13 14:42:13

Not so sure it doesn't kill people. I thought the link with schizophrenia had been proved. And schizophrenia does kill.

Just adding another no vote.

gingermop Fri 06-Sep-13 14:50:11

interested in answers as hav same issue but family are my neibours, growing it in loftspace which goes ovrr part of my kids bedroom (now swapped rooms with them) so sumtimes smell is very strong.
im in a quandry what to do.

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:51:49

I wasn't aware that schizophrenia could kill. I know schizophrenia can cause delusions and therefore means you could hurt yourself whilst seeing a delusion or put yourself in grave danger, but I don't think in a direct way it kills you or have I got that wrong?

I also think it doesn't necessarily cause schizophrenia but it makes those predisposed to it more likely to get it, so it's a trigger if you will.

I have tried cannabis a few times and it's alright, but would never be a regular user because I like having control of my own body and feelings and it makes you so dopey that getting anything done would be so unlikely. Now I have a little girl now I only have one glass of wine or two lager shandies and that's it, because I want to stay in control and for my daughter to be safe under my care.

But this is a personal choice and if someone else wants to smoke cannabis I don't judge them. But if they do it when looking after a baby or toddler, I think I would judge them because they could make a dangerous mistake or fall asleep and not wake up quick enough if the child was in distress.

MrsBungle Fri 06-Sep-13 14:55:00

Personally, I probably wouldn't. I would stay out of it. I understand why others might, though.

LadyInDisguise Fri 06-Sep-13 15:02:05

Using No
Growing No
Selling it would depend on how is sold, quantities etc... Selling to a couple of people/friends, I wouldn't have that much issue. At the scale the Op is talking about... I probably would Yes

Frettchen Fri 06-Sep-13 15:04:49

Yes. If you're sure that's what's happening, then you should report it.

I support the law banning it. If an adult chooses to smoke it then I'm gonna hoik my judgey pants but probably not do anything, but if anyone under 21-25 is smoking it then that's when I would have to get the authorities involved. There's just too much of a risk on the developing brain, and I really don't think kids, teens and young adults understand what they're potentially doing to themselves.

This person is profiting from something illegal, and you have no way of knowing who they are selling to - whether they're old enough to make their own decisions, or are a young teen trying to look cool.

Please let us know what you did, if you feel safely able to do so.

TimothyClaypoleLover Fri 06-Sep-13 15:10:31

Pot smokers don't burgle houses to feed their habit. I see it as a totally harmless activity. People that report are just annoyed at the tax free income

It is not a totally harmless activity. I reported a house in our street for being a cannabis factory. For months we had all sorts of undesirables hanging about the street, rival dealers crashing into parked cars after trying to raid the factory, fights between rival dealers. Elderly neighbours were too afraid to leave their houses. The police were fairly ineffective as all they were able to do was mount a surveillance for a few weeks to try and catch the main people rather than the gardener.

I have also reported a neighbour for taking cocaine in their garage whilst young children were neglected.

In both instances the police were quite upfront in saying they do not have the resources to deal with drugs as they are overstretched.

So yes, I would report but don't expect the police to come swooping in.

ToysRLuv Fri 06-Sep-13 15:17:00

I wouldn't, unless the person was actively pushing drugs (unlikely) or something like that. I'm in favour of legalization, education and freedom of choice for adults. However, I would be likely to report if it was someone I didn't like

NightScentedStock Fri 06-Sep-13 15:20:28

Yes I would.

Hissy Fri 06-Sep-13 15:27:16

Who's house is it? Is it his own, or do they rent?

How much are they growing?

Report them, for sure.

burberryqueen Fri 06-Sep-13 15:27:55

AmberLeaf I thought you might be a RL friend of mine! but I guess it is not you from your replies.....would have been funny!

LadyEdith Fri 06-Sep-13 15:34:59

No. Keep out of it.

cory Fri 06-Sep-13 15:35:29

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat Fri 06-Sep-13 14:51:49
"I wasn't aware that schizophrenia could kill. I know schizophrenia can cause delusions and therefore means you could hurt yourself whilst seeing a delusion or put yourself in grave danger, but I don't think in a direct way it kills you or have I got that wrong? "

That is what I meant. Also, suicide out of fear that you will hurt your loved ones during an episode or because you cannot live with the knowledge that you have already done so. Several MNers have had friends who have killed themselves for these reasons; it came up on another thread about weed. A very dear friend of ours committed suicide after having tried to set the house that contained his partner on fire.

IRCL Fri 06-Sep-13 15:47:37

Yep. Without hesitation.

No. None of my business if it's not directly affecting me i.e. smell, customers at all hours etc.

BlingBang Fri 06-Sep-13 15:53:33

If I liked them, no.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 16:14:09

I think what I most dislike is the attitude that you can pick and choose which laws you obey because you find them silly or unfair or just plain disagree with them. And you can't use the argument that if they werent doing it, someone else would be because it's still illegal. I don't think I break the law at all and if everyone did that this country would be a much nicer place to be. Incidentally, we were burgled and the profits from the sale of my largely irreplaceable cd collection were used to buy skunk.

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 16:21:00

Yeah its illegal,so are a lot of things.

strokey Fri 06-Sep-13 16:26:31

Have you really never broken the law nora? Ever? You cant expect individuals to obey a random collection of rules that they at no time agreed to adhere to. Just because you have a strong sense of conformity doesn't mean everybody else does.

You should've backed up your CDs if they were so irreplaceable. And how do you know they were sold for skunk anyway?

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 17:51:46

Saying alcohol is worse than weed is no argument at all.

Alchohol is not good in excess. Weed is not good full stop.

It is like the debate which says some sort of health and safety thing is ok because you take more risk going in a car.

Two things can be bad. hmm

WafflyVersatile Fri 06-Sep-13 17:59:02

Can you link to evidence that weed is not good full stop? This is the first time I've heard anyone claim that.

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 18:01:57

Cant be bothered. Google if you are at all interested. And take it if you want to or if you are ok with your kids taking it.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 18:02:05

That's your opinion though yellowballoons

You say alcohol is not good in excess, but weed is not good full stop?

I have to disagree, having a spliff or two on a night or having a couple of glasses of wine or beers or G&T's is all the same to me. One just happens to be an illegal drug whereas the others are not.

TheBigJessie Fri 06-Sep-13 18:03:40

Once upon a time, I think I would have said yes.

But these days, I've read a lot about how the sales of illegal drugs imported into the UK fund organised crime, human suffering, slavery, drug wars, etc. How the West's desire for nice neighbourhoods and illegal drugs causes masses of suffering in the countries that supply it. About Narco-states. The stuff I've read was mainly concerning cocaine, but before I did any reporting I'd read to see whether the same issues were associated with cannabis production.

If they do, then... I think that I might much rather the local spliffheads gave their money to some guy who grew the stuff in England, without slave labour, and spent the money at Tesco, even if he didn't pay tax, than they funded organised crime cartels in other countries, who were involved in sex trafficking, murder, torture, and all the rest of it.

I'd like to know a lot more about his customer base before I made the final call, for obvious reasons, but if he does actually have any scruples at all and he's working on his own, human suffering caused by drugs would remain the same in the UK after he went to prison, because local users would just find another dealer,but suffering in the rest of the world could increase.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 18:04:26

Here is a link to some information on how cannabis can be useful.

www.cannabis-med.org/index.php?tpl=faq&red=faqlist&id=278&lng=en

fluffyraggies Fri 06-Sep-13 18:07:57

I would love to go into details. However i daren't.

I was so hoping for a clearer majority one way or the other. I've been wrestling with this for a few months now.

I can safely say a few things;
The bloke is in his 30's - not a teen.
He is using cocaine as well as weed.
He is most def selling the weed. No doubts about it.
He is making between 1 and 2k every couple of months. Undeclared!
It's grown in his home. rented.
He has a normal job too.

I'm worried about the anonymity of reporting. There would be terrible repercussions if it was worked out that it was me who reported him.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:20:47

I can expect individuals to agree to laws, yes. Because your argument sounds like a petulant teen saying 'I didn't ask to be born'. And yes, I have broken laws but have come the conclusion outlined above. And the laws I broke were often related to drugs. And I dealt a bit. Acid and speed, in case you were wondering.

I know for a fact about the CDs because of a long and boring story. And it was in 2001 and facilities to back them up were not quite so readily available. And part of the reason lots of them were irreplaceable was that family members and friends are musicians and they had given me things that were never available in the shop.

I am pretty sure I don't break laws now. I hope I don't. I even do 68 miles an hour on the motorway.

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 18:23:15

Is he likely to work out that it is you? He would probably have many people in mind who he was suspicious of. I doubt that you would figure highly on his list.

Your gut says report, doesnt it?

TheBigJessie Fri 06-Sep-13 18:24:12

Okay. Given your update, not a sweet old hippy then.

Nasty violent criminal with enforcers, eh?

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 18:27:34

Why are you talking about peoples kids yellowballoons?you dont win a debate by saying oh youre not thinking about your kids.thats what you are saying.whether you shop everyone you know or not its down to the individual who chooses to participate.

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 18:33:15

Ginger. If you knew for sure that your mental health would be affected somewhere along the way doing your current lifestyle, would you stop taking the weed?

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:33:33

Might be a sweet old hippy that has kids that the op doesn't want to see taken not care?

headlesslambrini Fri 06-Sep-13 18:33:58

in answer to the original op - yes, without a doubt.

To all those who say No - it's none of their businesses, don't moan then when your kids start smoking it. I am genuinely shocked at those who wouldn't.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:34:01

Into ffs

DragonsAreReal Fri 06-Sep-13 18:35:05

No I wouldn't, wouldn't be my business. Why do you feel the need to involve yourself OP?

candycoatedwaterdrops Fri 06-Sep-13 18:36:15

Yes! What's with this "none of my business" stuff? This is why bad crap happens in communities....because everyone shuts their eyes and doors to things like this.

yellowballoons Fri 06-Sep-13 18:37:48

LimitedEdition. Would you say that kids as young as 8 or 9 , or as young as 15 fully know what they are doing?

It is up to parents what they allow or teach their children.

If they wasnt to say to them that if you take weed, then there is no problem, that is up to them.

TheBigJessie Fri 06-Sep-13 18:38:41

Yes, because children with crackhead parents always have perfect home lives, eh?

Violent drug dealers who intimidate their neighbours into keeping quiet make such good fathers, eh?

Social service involvement will split apart a modern idyll, eh?

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:42:28

I was merely speculating on why the op might have said it would have huge repercussions.

Oddsocksrus Fri 06-Sep-13 18:43:59

Report

MariaLuna Fri 06-Sep-13 18:47:01

There's always going to be a market for it so no, I wouldn't report it. Because it's none of my business and I don't feel I can judge. There's a reason it is prescribed medically.

Google Rick Simpson and read how people are being cured of cancer etc. with hemp oil.

It's big pharma that has a stake in keeping it illegal.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:52:27

There's a big difference between prescribing something medically and selling it for recreational use. I would condemn someone who said Valium for recreational use.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 18:56:37

Googled him and found this : Dr Grinspoon said: 'Simpson, who does not have a medical or scientific education (he dropped out of school in ninth grade), apparently does not require that a candidate for his treatment have an established diagnosis of a specific type of cancer, usually achieved through biopsy, gross and histopathological examinations, radiologic and clinical laboratory evidence.

'He apparently accepts the word of his "patients".  Furthermore, after he has given the course of "hemp-oil" there is apparently no clinical or laboratory follow-up.'He apparently accepts the "patient's" belief that he has been cured.  

Snoopingforsoup Fri 06-Sep-13 19:09:17

fluffyRaggies, he'll get caught sooner or later anyway. They always do.

Not sure that makes you feel any better, it's a tough choice to make if you're close enough to him to know the ins-and-outs of how much he makes.

His conscience will be clear until the day the cuffs are banged on and he's in a prison for a few years. Scruples or not, he's breaking the law and on that scale of dealing, he's going to get caught. The stuff stinks for a start! Lots are found by the helicopters tracking lofts for heat.

If it was a great helpful drug, Pfizer would be selling it for a lot more money!

fluffyraggies Fri 06-Sep-13 19:11:16

My gut says report it yellow, yes.

dragons - why do i feel the need to involve myself? I keep trying to answer that and then deleting it again. What i can say is that my reasons for NOT reporting it would be a) it's not my business, live and let live, b) if he gets stopped someone else will probably just fill the void and c) there is a small risk he might think it's me. Repercussions etc. He's very paranoid about getting shopped. I don't like the guy. He knows for sure that i know about his dealing.

The huge repercussions i was on about pertain more to me and my family than him and his. However he has a young son, yes. Who he sees regularly in the property where weed and drugs are dealt and used. Not good, but if he went to prison the son wouldn't see his dad any more.

acer12 Fri 06-Sep-13 19:14:40

This always happens on MN when weed is mentioned, it turns in to a debate of alcohol and weed.

Weed is illigal as when it's abused it causes serious problems. Serious mental health issues, higher risk of heart attacks and more dangerous than just smoking and of course causes certain cancers .

Does weed have certain medicinal properties when used right ? But the highest percentage that use it are addicted and abusing it. It's not some granny with ailments.

When abused, it sucks the life out of people, I've got to pot head in my family.

Does alcahol when abused cause severe issues? Certainly.

I live on an estate where it's normal to see very young teenagers with spliffs walking about, do I want my daughter to be around it? Hell no! Infact our local GP was actually part of the governments drug scheme and moved here to help fight the problem if young men and weed.

These people DO need reporting! They won't be paying tax on it and selling it to our kids!

I'd feel the same if they were selling knock of booze too!

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 19:18:04

yellowballoons

I've already stated earlier in the thread that I don't smoke it anymore as I quit smoking cigarettes (because of the cost of cigarettes) so the weed had to go as well. I smoked weed for about 11 years.

If I hadn't quit smoking I would have carried on smoking weed. It didn't affect my mental health.

shrinkingnora Fri 06-Sep-13 19:22:02

I also stopped smoking weed when I stopped smoking cigarettes. With the benefit of hindsight I can say it definitely did affect my mental health.

cjel Fri 06-Sep-13 19:22:17

YES OP I would. His son would at least learn that his dads rowing and supplying of drugs was wrong and not a life to follow, even if he went to prison it wouldn't be for long as his son would see him after.

It is not a harmful pastime, people get damaged and he wont care which ones he sells to.

quesadilla Fri 06-Sep-13 19:25:21

No, unless they were claiming benefits for it or I thought it was likely to get someone else I knew into trouble.

No don't get involved, unless it is having negative impact on your life why does it bother you? I don't smoke weed, tried it didn't like it, but if people want to let them get on with it.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 19:28:58

Shrinkingnora

See this is where the similarities of alcohol and weed start.

It all depends on the person how it will affect them. Some people can drink a few glasses of wine on a night and never turn into alcoholics. Some people can have a spliff or two and never turn into dopey lay abouts who do nothing all day.

Some drinkers can poison their body and die from alcoholism. Some weed smokers who just happen to be prone to psychotic episodes can trigger it off.

So just because it is true for one doesn't mean it is true for others. Like I said before, all the same to me apart from the legalities.

usualsuspect Fri 06-Sep-13 19:29:18

Once again the myth that 'estates' are the only places with a weed problem.

usualsuspect Fri 06-Sep-13 19:30:28

The biggest stoners I know do not live on estates.

ProjectGainsborough Fri 06-Sep-13 19:30:55

Opened the thread to say no. Know lots of people who have done all sorts of drugs with no ill effect, including nice old buffers who smoke weed to relax. I have, however, known an alcoholic whose life was ruined by perfectly legal booze. (Or rather, was raised by one).

Reading the thread has given me pause for thought. Although, in my experience it has been harmless, I guess that's not everyone's experience.

I still wouldn't report, though, unless I knew for sure that he was dealing to children or such like, because based on my experience, it's extremely unlikely to cause harm.

acer12 Fri 06-Sep-13 19:32:10

Well your very lucky then ginger but its not the same for every one else is it? You can't say that if you had carried on smoking it it wouldn't have effected your out look on life/ mental health. Maybe you stopped just in time...

acer12 Fri 06-Sep-13 19:34:50

project so because you know lots of ex druggies who seem fine, drugs are ok? hmm
Clearly you have never met any any one in the claws of heroin?

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 19:38:24

You can tell your kids not to do something they will still do it if they choose.We were all kids once.
im sorry are you saying you know 8 and 9year olds who smoke weed?
I smoked weed for 6 years,i worked full time,went to college and ran our household.You would have no idea to look at me then or now that i did.I wasnt and am not now a dopey layabout.I have never taken any other drug or have ever wanted to,i dont even take painkillers and I dont drink.I never harmed anyone or put anyone at risk.

GingerBlackAndOriental Fri 06-Sep-13 19:43:14

acer

Like you can see in my previous post I agree it's not the same for everyone, just like alcohol it affects everyone differently.

I can say for sure if it was going to affect my mental health it would have done in the 11 years that I smoked it. I smoked a lot. I don't drink and never have, I only ever got stoned, laughed my ass off and ate yummy food when I got the munchies.

notanyanymore Fri 06-Sep-13 19:52:43

So why should alcohol be allowed for recreational use? That is the only truly legal high in this country and if reclassified today would more than likely be a class A due to the effect on motor control, aggression, emotion and level of addiction.

Alcohol is extremely addictive, extremely destructive to developing brains and bodies and the issues are far more widely documented than any strain of cannabis which has grown and been consumed by mammals for far longer than we have been creating ethanol.

If you are stupid enough to think that any growing child should be allowed to consume anything that could alter the development of their brain then you should not be allowed children. That includes caffeine, nicotine, cannabis, valium, ecstasy, cocaine, alcohol or heroin and so much more. Also if you don't want them to become fat and depressed, you shouldn't give them a lot of sugar.

If you are a bad parent, and you don't teach these things to your children and teach them why they shouldn't do it while they are young then it will come back to bite you in the ass.

If you also didn't teach your child good manners and the value of hard work, then i wouldn't be surprised if you would be the kind of person who would blame cannabis for your own failings when they hit puberty and become naturally rebellious.

There's a lot of cannabis about and sadly the sale of it is still not regulated in this country and therefore its a lot easier for kids to get hold of. We need to teach our kids about the consumption of intoxicants as a whole and how the effects of using underage, overusing and mixing substances can be extremely tragic.

If you lie to your child and they find out you lied, they will just not trust you about that subject.. not any any more.

ProjectGainsborough Fri 06-Sep-13 19:54:28

No, acer I'm lucky enough not to know anyone addicted to heroin. The OP asked for a straw poll of what we would do in that situation. I would base my decision on my experience.

I suppose in my experience, weed or pills or the like wasn't the gateway to the really damaging stuff, although I note that that hasn't been the case for everyone on here and that has given me food for thought.

LimitedEditionLady Fri 06-Sep-13 19:55:21

Btw i havent said dont tell your kids the dangers,i said that you can do that and they can still choose not to listen.I knew what i was doing.I still did it.

SlowlorisIncognito Fri 06-Sep-13 19:56:14

I agree it is a myth that most weed users live on estates. The places I know with the most users of weed and other drugs are student areas. A lot of universities have real drug cultures.

I accept weed is dangerous, particularly to those with a history of mental illness. Scitzophrenia is partially genetic (to what extent is not really agreed), and I would definately advise someone that if they had someone in their family who had scitzophrenia or other psychotic illnesses, then they should not smoke either. Also, as most people smoke weed with tobacco, they have all the associated risks of smoking. Obviously driving whilst taking drugs is very dangerous, just as drink driving is.

I do think alchohol is more dangerous. For starters you can overdose on alchohol and die of that overdose fairly easily. Alchohol seems more likely to make people agressive/wreckless, and lots of people every year die due to accidents they have whilst drunk (the one I often hear of is people swimming in the sea whilst drunk). I think alchohol is much more likely to directly cause death. It is also linked to more health problems, if you take tobacco out of the equation.

I do think some softer drugs should be legalised. I think this would help demystify them and make them more regulated. I think it would help with the issue of "gateway drugs". It might make it easier for people to seak help for their addictions, as they are not also admitting to commiting a crime. It would also help remove drugs as a funding source for organised crime.

All of that said, if this man is dangerous and often high, chances are his weed growing opperation will not be safe- it is a fire risk and can sometimes cause other damage. For this reason alone, I think it's worth reporting. However, if you are really worried about reprocussions and think he might work out it was you, then you should take care of your personal safety first.

ProjectGainsborough Fri 06-Sep-13 20:05:28

Surely alcohol is the biggest gateway drug, anyway?

portraitoftheartist Fri 06-Sep-13 20:16:53

No I wouldn't report. Nicotine and alcohol are infinitely more harmful. If the government could charge tax on weed, that would be legal too.

acer12 Fri 06-Sep-13 20:17:16

project it is!!

Consils Fri 06-Sep-13 20:17:39

Leave it be.

KatyPutTheCuttleOn Fri 06-Sep-13 20:19:14

Yes. Growing for their own use, perhaps no. Dealing, yes without a doubt.

ZingWantsCake Fri 06-Sep-13 20:20:21

In theory I'd like to say yes, but in reality I would be worried about any retaliation and potential harm caused to my children by angry drug lords with guns.

(I watch too much tv)

so I'm afraid I probably wouldn't. blush

candycoatedwaterdrops Fri 06-Sep-13 20:21:14

I'm surprised it took this long for the "cure for cancer" line to be brought up. hmm

ProjectGainsborough Fri 06-Sep-13 20:23:44

Goddammit, acer you're supposed to disagree with me, so we can have a proper bunfight wink

Re-reading the OP and the mention of repercussions, I would tread carefully if I did decide to report..

OnTheBottomWithAWomensWeekly Fri 06-Sep-13 20:40:10

nope.It's weed, they aren't cooking meth.I couldn't care less.

DownstairsMixUp Fri 06-Sep-13 20:40:53

For selling yes I would. I wouldn't report for someone personal using if they didn't have kids living at home with them.

maddening Fri 06-Sep-13 20:41:42

If he were part of gang culture/ criminal culture then I would - it's that part of thr illegality of the drug that I don't like - but I am not against weed - I think alcohol is worse than cannabis and it's the illegality of it that makes it part if a dark world.

Like alcohol there are imacts on health of varying degrees and that risk is down to the consumer who does so these days knowing those risks.

If your friend is just growing it himself and selling to adult individuals (ie not part of a drug ring or however you define a criminal drug network) then I would probably not report it.

CharityFunDay Fri 06-Sep-13 20:45:54

I wouldn't report them to the police, because I don't believe cannabis use to be a major social evil, and I don't think dealing in it makes you a bad person.

maddening Fri 06-Sep-13 20:48:29

Ps I always thought that weed was a gateway drug more because it put he user in touch with dealers /criminals and so access to harder drugs - any drug even alcohol could lower a persons inhibitions and perception so much that they might try drugs if offered. One example is non smokers that smoke socially when drinking. And someone who smokes weed is more likely to drink and smoke and be (due to it's illegality) in more permissive circles if friends - but again if legalised would be less of an issue.

acer12 Fri 06-Sep-13 21:02:10

project grin its true though! I have done a tiny bit of work with youths in my club about drugs/alcahol . Nearly all of the kids that said they had used had said they had been drinking first. Also weeded being laced with more addictive substances is on the rise and the strength of the THC is being manipulated. So it's not the same as it was back in the day but that's what happens when dick heads set up a grow.

I hate pissheads as much as pot heads. Both used in moderation is fine, but the majority will over indulge and that's when the shit starts .. On both issues.

No one should be producing any thing to be consumed with out being regulated alcahol/drugs. Fake alcahol is just as bad!!

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