to think that a hca shouldnt tell me all assylum seekers should go home?

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In hospital. Hca brought me tea then proceeded to pick uup my newspaper and flick.through it. She said she wanted to see what it said about assylum seekers. Then said yes yes thats what I think they should all be sent home. The lot of them.

I just ignored her. I feel like shit and don't have the energy for an argument. I feel guilty now I didn't say anything.

MammaTJ Thu 05-Sep-13 21:49:23

Oh dear!! Not good! Shame you are not well enough for an arguement! Actually I don't give a shit about the arguement you are not well enough to have, how are you and why are you in hospital?

You would not have changed her opinions anyway!

So how long are you going to be there? What is going on with you?

I can only speak a few words at a time, very breathless so my argument would have been crap. Think my ignoring her did give a good hint.

Had a terrible asthma attack today was in resus all afternoon. Scary.

Am better now and glad am on a nice ward with high nursing levels and phone signal.

Serves you right for bringing the DM in with you.


WorraLiberty Thu 05-Sep-13 22:11:53

Why do you feel guilty for not arguing with her?

It's her opinion and she's entitled to it.

Yes it's a bigoted opinion but you having an argument with her, is very unlikely to change her opinion.

Just concentrate on getting well, and put the ignorant fuckwit out of your mind.

MammaTJ Thu 05-Sep-13 22:14:36

Aw, hope you get your proper breath back soon! It is proper fucking scary not being able to do that basic thing that everyone takes for granted!

Concentrate on that and fuck the ignorant HCA! Someone more well will educate her soon enough!


AFishWithoutABicycle Thu 05-Sep-13 22:15:10

This is why we need a 'did you mean to be that rude' badge. You could have just pointed to it.
Hope you feel better soon op. thanks

In the wonderful world of the NHS we're not allowed to voice our opinion. hmm

I tell my workmates "I'm not racist, ageist , sexist whatever-ist. I hate everyone equally "

Obviously I'm kidding about hating everyone grin

Misspixietrix Thu 05-Sep-13 22:41:57

YDNBU. But I dont care about her misguided opinions. You're too poorly to waste your energy on someone whos opinion you wouldnt be able to change anyway smile My Dd is Poorly with her asthma tonight. Hope you are feeling better soon OP flowers

maras2 Thu 05-Sep-13 22:56:27

Hope you feel better soon,Giraffes.Just ignore shit for brains and get well.

WestieMamma Thu 05-Sep-13 23:26:40

You could have unleashed a torrent of abuse and then blamed it on your meds. What a missed opportunity. Never mind, I hope you feel better soon flowers

HopeClearwater Fri 06-Sep-13 00:12:50

What newspaper was it?

Glasgow news or something. Was a free one. Headline was actually about how the "go home" posters are racist

Misspixie did you used to be a different pixie? Hope ds better soon

Misspixietrix Fri 06-Sep-13 12:06:26

Giraffe no. I think there's a few on here with Pixie in the name. I just havent been on for a while but Im making up for it now grin. Thanks shes been put on Steroids & AB's by the GP this morning. How are you doing this morning? ~

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 06-Sep-13 12:11:53

Agree the hca has freedom of speech. As long as she stopped short of actually inciting hatred then she can express an opinion. I think you dealt with her well. Ignoring her was probably better than having an argument ent when you are unwell. Hope you are better and out of hospital soon.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 12:21:26

She might have freedom of speech but poor giraffe obviously found it stressful and her needs trump the hca's 'rights'

This sort of comment would have really wound me up. Not something you should be subjected to when you are ill.

Plus that stupid twat will be caring for people from all kinds of backgrounds. I would hate her being near my family.

Why is it that people are so thick that they imagine that everyone shares their views.

Now stop messing about giraffe and get your arse out of hosptial!

ilovesooty Fri 06-Sep-13 13:13:49

I would have thought that kind of comment expressed in the workplace would breach her employer's equality policy.

WestieMamma Fri 06-Sep-13 13:20:25

'Freedom of speech' is an American concept, there is no such thing in the UK.

But I like my hospital dose of nha potatoes. Pasta and chips for lunch yum.

A student dr today told me I didn't look like the type of person to be ill with chest problems. And another hca told me I looked like I was young and fit so she would just disconect me from my monitors and I could walk totoilet...cue needing nebs and oxygen on my return. Perhaps cos I am wearing a tunic and leggings not a gown or pjs. I forgot wearing a dress made you unable to have lung problems wink

I seem to invite these random comments.

I disagree with her opinion however I respect her right to hold it...but she is in her uniform surely you can't say all asylum seekers should go home while wearing an nhs uniform? What if the lady behind the curtain was anasylum seeker?

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 13:34:29

I don't respect her right to hold it.
She is a knob end.

Pixie there used to be a poster called pixieonaleaf and her ds had brittle asthma and was often in itu.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 13:37:04

Someone told me DC5 was too big to be in a buggy last week.
He was an employee of the London Underground.

I immediately got him the sack.

(I didn't, DC5 is a massive trougher and is practically breaking his buggy but I cba to drag him about the place)

That little anecdote was just to lighten you day giraffe. You are welcome.

Well I don't really either tbh! I guess I can't control what she thinks but surely you can't say things like that when you are in a professional role


JustGiveMeFiveMinutes Fri 06-Sep-13 13:40:26

You aren't well and didn't have the energy to argue with this idiot. You didn't do anything wrong.

I was really proud of DH and DS1 and DS2 who all went for their hair cut recently. The barber was talking about how there are too many 'foreigners' in the UK. On their walk home they all decided to never go back to him again. DS2 (7) said he wanted to tell the barber how he has lots of friends who were born in India.

Get well soon btw x

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 13:58:19

My favourite 'send 'em back' ranter is Greek Cypriot confused. I've known him for 20 years and I've never plucked up the courage to point that out.

I really don't understand why people say contentious stuff and expect you to agree. Doesn't it occur to them that you might not?

ChestyNut Fri 06-Sep-13 14:07:16


That's awful!
Yes she is entitled to an opinion but not to express it when she is in uniform representing the trust.

HCP should be non judgemental.

I'd mention it on way out, very unprofessional.

thanks as cant find the grape emoticon.

Hope you feel better soon giraffes

TrueStory Fri 06-Sep-13 16:02:30

Why shouldn't she speak her mind? No-one else is listening to her (politicians).

Roshbegosh Fri 06-Sep-13 16:06:59

She shouldn't say this but while I am not affected by immigration we all know the people working on the minimum wage, like HCAs, are affected, so I would just leave it.

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 16:59:05

That's true roshbegosh

Misspixietrix Fri 06-Sep-13 18:45:29

I hate HCA's one made my Dd spend another Night in Hospital when she kept fucking ignoring me when I told her she was getting worse. Felt so much of a shit badgering half the ward and arguing with a consultant but If they had listened in the first place and gave her a neb in the morning we would have been home by teatime! ~

Madlizzy Fri 06-Sep-13 18:49:55

Whilst the HCA is in her workplace, she is not allowed to spout racist views and has to abide by non discrimination rules. She is out of order. Oh, and her job won't be affected by asylum seekers, seeing as they are not actually allowed to work.

sameoldIggi Fri 06-Sep-13 19:00:29

The right to seek asylum is part of the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Unless she thinks Britain should leave the UN, it is not something over which we have a choice.
And totally out of place in her workplace. I'd be offended that she thought I wouldn't be offended, iyswim!

Roshbegosh Fri 06-Sep-13 19:03:43

misspixie so you hate all of them, that's discriminating and stereotyping so why is that ok?
madlizzy that may be the case initially though in the end there is competition for resources and I am not excusing the HCA but I think if I were cleaning shit on the minimum wage I would be angry with everyone.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 19:18:56

Nothing wrong with a HCA job.
Sounds like you are projecting your own issues.

HCA is an interesting as an interesting and fulfilling job as many.

Ridiculous to suggest it is such a terrible, demeaning job you have a right to be angry at everyone.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 19:21:11

She is not necessarily on NMW either.

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 19:30:23

madlizzy I've come to agree with*rosh*.

The woman wasn't spouting racist views. Xenophobic ones, but I can see her point.

I bet she's competing for scarce resources at the bottom of the heap, which drives her resentment.

It would better be directed at the people who are really screwing everyone, like the people who take advantage of depressed wages, no matter where the person comes from.

But really, what can you do?

<God, I hate being corrected. But it has to be said>

<I still hate the people who chunter on about how British people are lazy, benefit claimants are lazy gits and there's no point poncing around at university>

<oh, and 'they think the world owes them a living' arseholes>

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 06-Sep-13 19:31:47

I think her comment is unprofessional and as hcp we are meant to be non-judgemental (regardless of what we're actually thinking).

Misspixietrix Fri 06-Sep-13 19:42:52

Rosh I didnt say it was. Thats just one example. Im allowed to form my own opinion. After all im not spouting mine whilst in NHS Uniform like the OPs HCA person Is. If youve dealt with HC Professionals as much as I have you would understand where Im coming from.

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 19:44:18

I have a joke that if I have to use the mimsy word 'unprofessional' I should get aggravated damages, because it embarrasses me.

I used it on Wednesday morning. It was true, but it made me wince.

The person I complained about was earning a great deal more than I guess the woman in the OP was.

Interestingly, he was also an migrant; English to the US, complaining about how England wasn't England any more.

I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make, except that people at the bottom of the pile sometimes lash out at the wrong targets and always fruitlessly, and sometimes I don't blame them.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 19:45:10

Bottom of the heap?
Fucking hell. How insulting. The woman is a HCA not a mudlark in 1840.

She is in an important position. She does a valuable job.

These posters who think they are sticking up for her are really just displaying their own prejudices.

Misspixietrix Fri 06-Sep-13 19:53:04

Was a bit confused then MrsDeVere. Glad in RTFT qgain! grin

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 20:10:07

mrsdevere I assume your reference to 'bottom of the heap' refers to me. Apologies if it doesn't.

You might have seen my previous posts on this thread.

I don't think anyone is right to be racist or xenophobic. I mentioned my confusion and disgust at a Greek Cypriot immigrant railing against immigrants from other countries.

But I also resent people at the top of the heap, of whatever colour or creed, shitting on the economically-disadvantaged. I'm increasingly counting myself amongst them.

That's what's happening today and is spreading hatred between people who are indeed the bottom of the heap wherever they come from.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 06-Sep-13 20:15:44

Bottom of the heap? Wtf? HCAs do a valued job. Certainly do on the ward I work on anyway.

ilovesooty Fri 06-Sep-13 20:18:11

To be honest if someone expressed that view to me while they were in a work setting I'd report them in a heartbeat (health permitting of course).

I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to do her job who either don't hold xenophobic views or at least have the decency to keep them to themselves at work.

Misspixietrix Fri 06-Sep-13 20:20:26

Anyway OP how are you this evening? Have you planned your escape yet? wink

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 20:20:54

No, sorry, its still offensive to refer to someone in this way.

She has a job
She is a trained professional.
She may not be on high wages but she probably isn't on NMW.

She isn't bottom of the heap.

Asylum seekers...they are bottom of the heap. No money, no jobs, no recourse to public funds and even when people make offensive comments about them its ok.

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 20:31:27

I tell you what would be nice. It would be if people said what an HCA was, rather than assuming that those of us who don't work in the industry knew what it was.

I get similarly frustrated when people talk about PALS and other confusing jargon.

You could also talk about what the banding was so I understood what this woman earned.

I really don't want to defend racists but I do understand why people at the bottom of the heap fight amongst themselves rather than banding together.

hettienne Fri 06-Sep-13 20:31:30

She can hold any opinion she wants.

She just can't impose it on vulnerable patients while she is at work.

If you want to rant about asylum seekers, do it in your own time.

MrsDeVere Fri 06-Sep-13 20:47:54

Who is at the bottom of the heap and why do you assume they are the ones fighting amongst themselves?

Nigel Farage is a well known Xenaphobe and Nick Griffin is a big fat racist.
Both are doing pretty well for themselves.

I don't like the assumption that people who object to racist/xenophobic twats are somehow removed from the real world.

I live in an area with loads of immigration, lots of asylum seekers as well as established communities. I don't hate immigrants or want asylum seekers sent home.

limitedperiodonly Fri 06-Sep-13 21:06:57

Asylum seekers...they are bottom of the heap. No money, no jobs, no recourse to public funds and even when people make offensive comments about them its ok.

I understand what asylum means and I'm disappointed that you don't seem to get that, because in previous posts on many threads I've expressed that.

Also I've expressed my disgust at the way benefit claimants of all kinds are vilified.

Maybe you haven't noticed. But why should you hang on my every post?

However from now on please be assured that I do understand quite deeply and I'd like you to note that from now on.

However, I maintain that people who feel they are at the bottom of the heap lash out, usually at the wrong targets.

I find that really frustrating.

But is it so hard to understand?

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 06-Sep-13 21:14:55

What is it with this bottom of the heap stuff?

ilovesooty Fri 06-Sep-13 22:34:38

How is PALS "confusing jargon"?

Ty pixie still in, struggling this eve but overall been better today.

Misspixietrix Sat 07-Sep-13 06:41:29

Aww hope you get to come home soon flowers glad your starting to feel better. Have they started you on Steroids?

SPBisResisting Sat 07-Sep-13 06:55:58

How are you feeling giraffes

ChestyNut Sat 07-Sep-13 09:22:23

HCAs are not "bottom" of the heap and do a very valuable job and don't get paid minimum wage in hospitals.

Stop making excuses for why this persons behaviour was acceptable. It wasn't.

limited PALS is patient advice liaison service.
HCA is healthcare assistant and in hospital the work on the wards assisting the qualified staff but often do majority of the hard slog as qualified nurses are so tied up with paperwork and discharges.

Yeah been on steroids since wed. And atrovent, salbutamol and saline nebs. And singulair and potassium and flixotide and seretide and magnesium one drip.

Waiting to see dr this morning.

SPBisResisting Sat 07-Sep-13 10:42:47

thinking about you x

EduCated Sat 07-Sep-13 10:43:55

So if the person in the bed next to Giraffes was an asylum seeker, would that be ok for the HCA to say it? Or if Giraffes had an asylum seeker DP?

Aside from the fact that we don't have freedom of speech, it does not give you the right to say potentially offensive things unsolicited when you are representing the NHS and caring for sick and vulnerable people.

EduCated Sat 07-Sep-13 10:44:46

(Also get bloody better giraffes! Sending healthy chest vibes in your general direction thanks

Misspixietrix Sat 07-Sep-13 15:42:30

Dds been happily wheezing away but theres no point taking her down because will get told the same as next time. OP you havent heard it from me but GP always told me that they believe (I appreciate all practice differently but still think Its worth mentioning) that giving steroids without abs for an asthma exacerbation can make things worse. I only know this because GP went batshit at an OOH once for sending Dd home with just this and she ended up back down the Doctors worse sad hAve you had visitors OP? Keep your spirits up smile flowers

Misspixietrix Sat 07-Sep-13 15:44:20

Last time not next Sorry (was told she looked too Well to do anything for her despite her heartrate sky high and her chest working ten to a dozen) ~

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