To think this should be told to every mother?

(50 Posts)
HeyUGuys Tue 03-Sep-13 07:53:30

I heard my HV telling another woman not to swaddle her baby as it can be fatal.
Then my DM tells me a story from the newspaper where a woman has been reported to social services as she is 'willfully putting baby at risk' by swaddling.

Now i have never put any of my DC to bed swaddled, but i have used it to help them sleep in the day. Was it just me who hadnt been told how dangerous it is?

HV said it can cause SIDS, over heating, joint problems in the hips....

ILetHimKeep20Quid Tue 03-Sep-13 07:55:40

Because it's not true.

purrpurr Tue 03-Sep-13 07:56:36

Sounds needlessly inflammatory to me. Risks should be negated by doing things properly and following guidelines. I dare say if your idea of swaddling is to wrap your baby up tight in a duvet in July then you're going to have problems, but most people know how to swaddle safely, surely.

But yeah, omg, panic stations ftw wtf bbq.

meditrina Tue 03-Sep-13 07:59:52

Scaremongering.

Here is some more considered advice.

If there needs to be more publicity on safe swaddling, the why restrict it to mothers? Or are fathers to be excluded from caring for their infants?

Lorelei353 Tue 03-Sep-13 08:01:22

The midwife who ran our ante natal class did warn us about these risks but our NCT Ante natal teacher taught us how to do it. We didn't do it often but did make sure we did it safely when nothing else would work.

Mumof3xx Tue 03-Sep-13 08:01:41

My hv tries to swaddle dd!

Dd not into being swaddled she just likes to be tucked in

My hv also told me its very important they can get hands to face to learn to self settle and I don't really understand how they are meant to do that if swaddled

Mumof3xx Tue 03-Sep-13 08:01:52

Tried not tries

WestieMamma Tue 03-Sep-13 08:03:16

Actually it is true. Sort of. Swaddling can be a SIDS risk See here. Here in Sweden it's not recommended for this very reason.

Fakebook Tue 03-Sep-13 08:08:24

I've swaddled both my babies from day one. The only reason I was told to cut it down with DS was because his right hip was a bit immature and I was told to let him loose whilst asleep to allow his legs to move freely.
Even with swaddling both sucked their thumb and DS still does.

Your hv and mother are just scaremongering.

MrsBungle Tue 03-Sep-13 08:08:46

Both of mine were swaddled in hospital by the midwives (4 and 1year ago).

barbedgirl Tue 03-Sep-13 08:19:37

This is why i never listened to HVs. Utter nonsense.

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 03-Sep-13 08:19:45

Both mine loved being swaddled. They are 4 and 3.

Swaddling has gone on since the dawn of time. In the late stages in the womb, there is not much room for them to move their limbs around.

As far as I am aware, swaddling provides comfort, and as long as you use a light material to swaddle, and don't over-blanket them on top of the swaddle, it is perfectly safe.

The advice seems to vary. I think most parents need to know that if they choose to swaddle then only a thin swaddle is needed. The temptation is to use too warm a covering I think. I decided to swaddle after reading studies which suggested it was safe and promoted good sleep (don't have links, was about 6 years ago!)

I had a lovely swaddle blanket from Boots that worked well for DS. It was thin and stretchy. I kept his arms out mostly as he liked to suck his fingers.

wishwehadgoneabroad Tue 03-Sep-13 08:25:51

We swaddling in a huge muslin. (thin and stretchy!)

DD loved it. It settled her. And from 7 weeks she was sleeping 7-7 (with a break at 11 for a feed)

We followed the Harvey Karp method, it saved our sanity! And I'm sure it's why our LO now is such a happy little baby! Loves her sleep. Loves her room. Has been able to self settle from a young age.

We only stopped swaddling her when she was able to roll over (as recommended) but for quite some time she was swaddled and placed in her moses basket. Happy. As. Larry.

sparkle12mar08 Tue 03-Sep-13 08:27:13

Hairy has it ^^ - A thin cotton cot sheet is all that's needed for swaddling - our midwife swaddled both of ours before she left from our homebirths.

MortifiedAdams Tue 03-Sep-13 08:35:04

Dd was born just over a year ago. She was swaddled.by the MW within ten mins in three hospital blankets.

They tend to factor in stupidity and go.with the lowest common.denominator - just like cosleeping - rather than say "this is how you do it safely" they say "dont do it".

I used giant muslin cloths and will do so again with any future babies.

Dd1 was swaddled in hospital 8 years ago by a midwife who said that they aren't allowed to officially recommend it but they do do it. I swaddled ds because he was a huffy lump and it was the only thing I could settle him with. Dd2 hasn't needed it so far but if I felt she did I would.

HeyUGuys Tue 03-Sep-13 09:11:16

I've done it with all of mine, im glad its not just me then i felt awful thinking i'd been putting them at risk. I use a thin blanket, with the holes in, an dont do it through the night only when i am awake in the day.

MoominsYonisAreScary Tue 03-Sep-13 09:22:09

Ds1 is 18 and I remember even then being told not to swaddle as it can cause over heating, they were all swaddled in hospital, except ds3 who was really prem and on a heat mat. Saying that, it was bloody cold in the hospital

petitemarionette Tue 03-Sep-13 09:29:04

I had no clue about this. My preemie was swaddled by nurses three years ago! They meant to make her comfortable, it was already warm enough. Houdini wasn't having a bar of it though. grin

LEMisdisappointed Tue 03-Sep-13 09:34:33

I have two DC, one is 23 now, the other is 8! So imagine my horror on the maternity ward when i had loving swaddled DD2 (just like they showed me to do with DD1) and the midwife bitch came along, saw me feeding her swaddled and comfy, took her from me, practically unrolled her and she nearly rolled out off the bed! If it hadn't have been 2am I would have called DP and made him come and fetch us home angry

Willfully putting a baby at risk? <sprays cornflakess>

labelwriter Tue 03-Sep-13 09:55:46

When I had DD, which was only 5 years ago, we were advised by our NCT and HV to swaddle her. She really liked it and seemed to find it really comforting. We used very thin swaddling blankets. We tried the same with DS and he hated it so we didn't bother with him... and he never slept!

HeyUGuys Tue 03-Sep-13 10:46:54

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2404754/Can-swaddling-baby-like-Prince-George-raise-risk-cot-death.html

I think this is whay my DM was talking about

MortifiedAdams Tue 03-Sep-13 10:51:27

But shops sell swaddling cloths¿¡ Surely if it were that dangerous, tgey wpuldnt be allowed to sell them?

georgettemagritte Tue 03-Sep-13 11:10:57

We were in hospital for about a week after DD was born a few months ago and all the midwives swaddled her! DD hated it though and got free every time (she was unusually strong from birth and was holding head up and able to use hands to wriggle out of swaddles, midwives were all confused The lovely swaddling wrap we had bought went back to the shop unused....

marriedinwhiteisback Tue 03-Sep-13 12:31:39

My hv told me to wrap myself in a blanket and sit by the fire as a solution for such sore and cracked nipples I couldn't bear a silk nightie against me. Not a thought to two bouts of mastitis, difficulties feeding, antiibiotics and the fact I might have thrush of the inner breast tissues. Oh no, but mothers who put their babies frst breast feed. Oh no, she couldn't provide any expeet help, that's what the nCt were for.

HVs - still talking through a different orifice from the rest of us I see. That's why I never saw one again. Nearly 20 years on and still bitter, still upset at the pnd the hv drove me to. HVs pose extremely serious risks to mothers and babies in my opinion.

StephenFrySaidSo Tue 03-Sep-13 12:34:00

do no fathers ever put their children to sleep where you live OP?

IShallCallYouSquishy Tue 03-Sep-13 12:35:21

I swaddled from 6 weeks in the height of summer but with a super thin light weight swaddle wrap. DD fought her way out and found her thumb about 3 weeks later. It was a lifesaver for us.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Tue 03-Sep-13 12:37:29

I swaddled using either a lightweight blanket or an extra large muslin. Only swaddled arms though as it helped stop DS smacking himself in the face when he was falling asleep, and then waking up.

StephenFrySaidSo Tue 03-Sep-13 12:38:35

MortifiedAdams-lots of things that are dangerous for babies are sold in shops. have you ever seen the bottle holder cushions?

CheungFun Tue 03-Sep-13 12:39:41

I think it's a bit over the top to say swaddling can be fatal, whilst it might be in some rare cases, I think it's quite a strong statement to make. I think as with all things a bit of common sense is required and if you swaddle your baby, use a suitable blanket and check their temperature to ensure that they aren't too hot.

SilverApples Tue 03-Sep-13 12:42:30

I swaddled both of mine in a sheet from birth, and they started sleeping through the night from 4 weeks. I was careful about the temperature of both baby and room.

GrassIsntGreener Tue 03-Sep-13 12:43:23

My hv taught me to swaddle both of mine, 5 years ago and last year.

IceBeing Tue 03-Sep-13 12:44:37

wow there is a lot of shit on this thread.

People who are certain swaddling is the reason for their kids sleep pattern people announcing it is 'perfectly safe'.

Swaddling is like co-sleeping. It is dangerous if you do it wrong AND you are unlucky enough to have a SIDS susceptible baby.

I would think the best plan is to do it correctly!

IceBeing Tue 03-Sep-13 12:45:06

Although one very true thing has been said. HVs are a menace to health.

They really are.

ShadowSummer Tue 03-Sep-13 12:48:27

Sounds a little scaremongery to me.

I can see that if you were to swaddle a baby in really warm blankets in a warm room, then they'd be at risk of overheating, but surely if a parent is using thin cloths for swaddling and checking baby's at a sensible temperature, then it's not that risky?

Incidentally, when DS was in scbu after being born prematurely, the neo-natal nurses swaddled him quite often once he was out of the incubator.

baddriver Tue 03-Sep-13 12:50:12

Swaddling is hard though, eh. You need duct tape.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Tue 03-Sep-13 13:16:21

The MWs in the hospital swaddled DD. When I got home, the community MW was horrified and unwrapped her immediately. Not at all confusing, then!

silverangel Tue 03-Sep-13 13:18:30

DTs were swaddled in hospital (for 7 weeks) and we swaddled when we got home for a while too. Another example of utterly conflicting advice.

ToysRLuv Tue 03-Sep-13 13:20:56

WTF? I swaddled ds for 8 months (after which I did a gradual change to a sleeping bag), as he wouldn't sleep well (or basically at all) otherwise (poor boy was also propped up from all sides, to help with the reflux and prevent rolling while swaddled). He simply wasn't coordinated enough to self soothe with his arms. He used to wave them around madly and smack himself in the face thus waking himself up. Hence the swaddling in the first place. He had a dummy for soothing, which is known to reduce sids risk.

Even now at nearly 4 years old he loves the snugliness of a sleeping bag, and likes playing games where he is rolled up tightly in a blanket. There is nothing wrong with him and he is excellent at jumping and dancing. You just have to make sure that you're not swaddling too tightly or warmly and prevent older babies from rolling in their swaddle.

ToysRLuv Tue 03-Sep-13 13:25:33

Also, while we had a hell if a time with ds's sleeping, at least he didn't learn to self soothe by sucking his thumb. This runs in dh's family, and he himself sucked his thumb until he was 11. As a result he got wonky teeth and asymmetrical thumbs.. Dniece is now in the same situation, and I'm sure dnephew will be in her age, as well.

OnTheBottomWithAWomensWeekly Tue 03-Sep-13 13:34:55

You want to take parenting advice from the Daily Mail and pass it on to all parents?
The Daily Mail that one day tells you that coffee causes cancer, the following that it cures cancer? Do me a favour!

Thumbwitch Tue 03-Sep-13 13:40:28

I never swaddled either of my boys, partly because they both hated it, partly because they used to do a limb jerk as they dropped off and if they were restricted, it would wake them up again; but also partly because they overheated at the drop of a hat. Both are real hot-bodies and sweat through their heads; I had a job keeping them cool enough without letting them get cold.

DS2 was never that restricted inside me either - he had a little swimming pool in there (polyhydramnios) and was swimming around right up until my waters were broken! grin

Mutley77 Tue 03-Sep-13 13:55:12

In Australia they all seem to swear by it. We had never done it as I knew it wasn't recommended in the UK and tbh therefore never really bothered here with DC3 either. But when I have swaddled DC3 I have used a large muslin, not any kind of blanket.

ToysRLuv Tue 03-Sep-13 14:07:18

I think it's the case that some babies love it and need it, and some babies hate it. Mine loved it. It would have been easier not to bother had I had a choice about it, but I didn't. I didn't swaddle for the first month and was on my knees. Then someone (not a hv!) suggested swaddling. I'm still eternally grateful to her!

Oblomov Tue 03-Sep-13 14:09:36

Swaddled both of mine. Loved it.
Is this HV speaking the truth, recognised guidelines, new recommendations?
Or is she toxic and unprofessional and should Op make a complaint about her?

Oblomov Tue 03-Sep-13 14:11:16

Dh was better at swaddling than Me. He did it more than me. He was fab at it.

Retroformica Tue 03-Sep-13 14:11:43

We swaddled with a thin layer. Worked well

Madlizzy Tue 03-Sep-13 14:18:05

All 4 of my babies were swaddled in a cotton sheet and they all loved it. It helped prevent the startle reflex from waking them up. It's like anything, use some common sense and don't overload with blankets.

BuskersCat Tue 03-Sep-13 14:25:59

Several midwives and nurses tried to swaddle DD when she was a newborn in hospotal. She was having none of it grin That was 3 years ago.

sounds like the scaremongering shit that they come out with. They also sa it bout co-sleeping

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