To hear that they have charged rolf harris

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londonrach Thu 29-Aug-13 12:53:06

Was a massive fan of rolf harris in the 1980s watching his art shows after school. I cant believe he has now been charged with activity from the 1980 to last year. Am i being unreasonable to be upset on hearing this news despite the fact ive never meet him.

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 12:54:40

There is already a thread about it . smile

I agree its a shock.

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 12:56:41

It's the third thread on it

Why are you shocked?

youmeatsix Thu 29-Aug-13 12:57:23

i said exactly the same thing. Jimmy saville was always a bit confused but rolf harris seemed a genuinely nice man, sad

OHforDUCKScake Thu 29-Aug-13 12:57:26

NO. He is actually charged now?

I didn't think it would happen. I didn't believe it.

So let me get this straight, is this charge one against women or children?

londonrach Thu 29-Aug-13 12:59:46

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youmeatsix Thu 29-Aug-13 13:01:54

Rolf Harris charged with nine counts of indecent assault in the 1980s and four of making indecent images of a child in 2012 sad court next month

livinginwonderland Thu 29-Aug-13 13:03:48

I'm not shocked. I did say that when it came up in the news before, but I got a barrage of criticism from everyone on here for it.

CocacolaMum Thu 29-Aug-13 13:04:03

that's shocked me. I honestly didn't believe it either

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:04:25

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BiscuitDunker Thu 29-Aug-13 13:04:28

He's being charged with:

Six offences of indecent assault relating to a girl aged between 15 and 16 from 1980 to 1981.

Three offences of indecent assault relating to a girl aged 14, in 1986.

Four offences of making indecent images of a child between March and July 2012.

ClartyCarol Thu 29-Aug-13 13:05:19

Why are you being unreasonable to hear it? hmm

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:06:49

I think its shocking if you were a child when you watched him on TV.

You then look at him as a kid today -can't believe it maybe?

looking at him from the eyes of an adult( perhaps) would always have been different?

I think for those of us that grew up in the 70'S and always had those characters on the TV , it would be weird not to be surprised.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 29-Aug-13 13:07:42

I always saw him as such a legend, saw him at Glastonbury and he was brilliant. How disappointing, and horrible for those involved.

I'm not sure what yabu about.

londonrach Thu 29-Aug-13 13:09:00

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Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:10:07

I am sure there will be many more to come unfortunately.

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:10:11

No. I'm 44 and grew up watching him too. It's still no surprise to me.... I found him irritating. Too enthusiastic, over zealous.

ViviPru Thu 29-Aug-13 13:10:18

I know what you mean, OP.

All the others you're like, yeah - filthster, that's no surprise but RH was part of the fabric of my childhood culture in a way all the others really weren't. I'm shocked in the same way I would be had Johnny Ball or Tony Hart been charged, all childhood beacons of wholesomeness sad

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:10:46

What do you mean by him having a wife op???

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:12:19

hey then you probably never liked him IYSWIM?

Did you actually suspect him of what he has been charged with? smile

I didn't like JS, when he was found out , it was no shocker.

To my mind, Rolf just painted confused

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 29-Aug-13 13:12:28

I'm not shocked. The 70's and 80's (my childhood) seem to have actually been a time of real nastiness lurking underneath the surface.

HeffalumpTheFlump Thu 29-Aug-13 13:12:41

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Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:13:39

My smile looks odd, I meant it so as not to look argumentative.

PivotPIVOT Thu 29-Aug-13 13:13:42

I'm just disappointed rather than shocked. I loved Animal Hospital when I was a kid and Olive the Ostrich is shite wothout his voiceover.

YouTheCat Thu 29-Aug-13 13:14:48

I'm reserving judgement until he has actually gone to trial.

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:15:11

When JS stuff came out I had a trip down memory lane ( maybe here on MN actually) and there are quite a few children's tv people from back then who wouldn't surprise me if similar came out about them.

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:17:37

hey yes, I don't think I'll be that surprised the next time another one gets found out!

Its dreadful that we are getting more used to it.

specialsubject Thu 29-Aug-13 13:19:31

I STRONGLY disagree with the statement that 'any human being is capable of this'

Most people are NOT child abusers!

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:21:22

I thought hey was thinking that any human could cover it up?

nice man image...

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:22:38

No but they are capable of being!

HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 13:25:24

Anyone, male and female.... Our own families ( most likely), people in the public eye.... Anyone.... Your own DH's, the local shopkeepers.... It could be anyone. There is no particular 'look' or type. Anyone is capable of this.

I'm an ex officer tho, so guess I've seen more than I needed to

MrsApplepants Thu 29-Aug-13 13:28:11

I'm just so disappointed with him. Is no one genuine anymore?

londonrach Thu 29-Aug-13 13:31:20

Anyone cant do this surely. ( Sitting here shocked and thinking might need chocolate). Just spoken to husband why im so upset about someone ive never meet and he says its because he is part of a carefree childhood and the memories are slightly darker with his news. Hes also upset and shocked. It just makes you think who else... I am being unreasonable for being upset by this arent i.

Feminine Thu 29-Aug-13 13:33:52

No, YANBU.

It is still a shock, if you had previously seen him in a different light.

I don't think anyone would do it. I think all different types do.

Not just those that look creepy.

EldritchCleavage Thu 29-Aug-13 13:35:14

He's only been charged, not found guilty. People are bound to have opinions, but until a trial has taken place I think people should be a lot more restrained about expressing them.

fluffyraggies Thu 29-Aug-13 13:39:54

Making indecent images of a child? sad sad sad My mind is boggling.

I never thought he'd be charged. JS and the others so far ... horrified but not 'shocked'. If that makes any sense? But RH??

It sounds soooo pathetic to say it - but i'm going to say it anyway - i loved Animal Hospital sad

Babyroobs Thu 29-Aug-13 13:45:44

I am thoroughly shocked. He came to the local primary school in our village in the 1980's and everyone thought he was wonderful.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Thu 29-Aug-13 13:54:22

Babyroobs, he was meant to be a guest speaker at our final assembly one year, but he couldn't come.

Instead we had another guest speaker, but he sent a recorded little speech, saying how sorry he was he couldn't come and how he hoped the people going off to new schools would be successful etc. I always thought how nice and thoughtful that was smile

I don't think YABU to feel upset, OP, it's such a big switch in thinking if it is true.

wannaBe Thu 29-Aug-13 14:14:35

innocent until proven guilty...

My ILs used to live in the same town as him and he had a reputation for being a miserable bastard, but let's not forget that he hasn't actually been found guilty yet.

I think the 70/80's were a whole different era. A time when young girls fawned over these celebrities and the celebrities were cocky and took advantage on a level they at that time thought was perfectly ok, because they saw it as sixteen year olds throwing themselves at them (it wasn't seen the same back then). I'm not referring to the likes of JS who was blatantly a predator (who the fuck would have wanted to throw themselves at him anyway he was repulsive!) but these on-screen types who were over flattered by attention and failed to see the inappropriateness of acting on it. iyswim.

They were still in the wrong, no question, but I'm not sure it's as black and white as that all these celebs were out and out predators looking for a victim, more that they were cocky idiots who didn't see sleeping with a sixteen year old as wrong in the way that it's seen today. But it was of course wrong and now they are being brought to account.

Child images are of course a whole other league....

RebeccaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 29-Aug-13 14:22:00

Hello

Please be very careful not to say anything that could prejudice a fair trial.

Notalone Thu 29-Aug-13 14:33:38

I remember him making an educational video which we were shown at school about child abuse where he sang the "body song" about keeping our bodies to ourselves. If he is proven guilty this is all the more shocking as he was involved in child abuse campaigning when all along he was allegedly an abuser himself. Link here talks in more depth sad

www.theguardian.com/g2/story/0,3604,610727,00.html

HellonHeels Thu 29-Aug-13 14:41:04

fluffyraggies "making" an image can include downloading existing images, not just making new images. Both are crimes.

ShellyBoobs Thu 29-Aug-13 15:36:07

How can you be unreasonable "to hear that they have charged rolf harris"?

confused

KissMeHardy Thu 29-Aug-13 17:42:00

wannaBe - you are SO right about it being a different era and what went with it. But you will NEVER convince most of the MNs of that. They didn't live then, so it didn't happen/was the same as today. It wasn't.

I grew up with RH on my TV. I am not shocked.........just sad.

CaptainCapybara Thu 29-Aug-13 18:06:39

I am shocked to hear it, I was in rolf's cartoon club as a child. He has never given off dodgy vibes the way Saville did.

valiumredhead Thu 29-Aug-13 22:25:40

I disagree, even as a child I thought he was very strange. A friends who has spent time with him told me years ago 'he is definitely not someone you'd leave your kids with.'

Taffeta Thu 29-Aug-13 22:29:54

I have met him. He helped me out with something about 20 years ago. He is a lovely man. sad

Pagwatch Thu 29-Aug-13 22:37:52

Do you know, I am getting kind of irritated by the 'but he looked so nice' stuff

Do people still not get, really not get,that child abusers look exactly like everyone else. They have a vested interest in appearing charming and/or harmless.

I get the shock of a 'well loved celebrity' being involved.
But to talk about being surprised because he didn't see the type is just nonsense. They often don't seem the type.

its how they get away with it

Pagwatch Thu 29-Aug-13 22:41:02

And it perpetuates the myth that you would spot, you should spot a paedophile because there would be some odd vibe about them.

Its part of the mind set which contributes to why victims don't get believed.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 29-Aug-13 22:41:05

another 70's kid who finds it very unsettling. js, is not a suprise. rh is.

whitesugar Thu 29-Aug-13 22:54:40

I suppose its easier to understand when you consider that one in four people who are abused are abused by people they know well, a close friend or family member. In reality its just a handful of celebs. Its just more shocking because they were part of the fabric of our childhood. What surprises me is that I am shocked because I somehow assumed that they were decent people because they were on the telly in our living rooms. We have absolutely no idea what they are like in RL. I still keep thinking Ken Barlow wouldn't do that but its not Ken Barlow ... Television creates a bizzare state of reality v unreality.

valiumredhead Thu 29-Aug-13 22:55:33

They get away with it because the are nice people, that's precisely why!

valiumredhead Thu 29-Aug-13 22:56:56

Taffeta, except he's not is he?confused

ShellyBoobs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:02:38

Taffeta, except he's not is he?

He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

galletti Thu 29-Aug-13 23:04:38

Again, innocent until proven guilty. Having said that, dh and I were discussing this recently aftyer Stuart Hall's conviction, and both felt in some way, diffficult to explain, but part of our childhood was a bit tainted by it. Grew up almost idolising Jimmy Saville because of Jim'll Fix It, Laughed lots with Stuart Hall on It's a Knockout, loved watching Gary Glitter in his ridiculous 70's outfits on TOTP.

Ones that have not been convicted - Rolf Harris - his art programmes, painting amazing pictures in seconds and that xylophone thingy we he advertised that we all wanted cos of him. DLT- Listening to Radio One in the mornings as a teenager.

soverylucky Thu 29-Aug-13 23:09:45

Another thread where mn is judge and jury before the trial. Innocent until proven guilty!

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 29-Aug-13 23:26:48

Ken Barlow? How did I miss that!

sewingandcakes Thu 29-Aug-13 23:32:58

Notalone I remember watching that exact terrible video when I was a child, and the irony of him making a children's sex abuse educational video at a time when he is alleged to have been abusing children is staggering. Not surprisingly it's no longer available on YouTube.

Lumpybumpymuma Thu 29-Aug-13 23:42:32

Yanbu OP, 'two little boys' was one of my fave songs.

And now I'm a bit confused and shock.

HeffalumpTheFlump Thu 29-Aug-13 23:48:03

"Having completed our review, we have concluded that there is sufficient evidence and it is in the public interest for Mr Harris to be charged."

^This statement was released today. This is what makes people assume he is guilty. I will admit I am finding it hard to believe that they would charge him without being 100% sure. It's too high profile to go to court on a whim surely? (Sorry to mnhq if I'm not allowed to say this, I'm a bit unclear on what would or wouldn't prejudice a fair trial.)

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 30-Aug-13 00:12:08

I am saddened. I have a signed postcard from him and loved him performing at Glastonbury sad

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 30-Aug-13 00:13:35

And agree with the right to a fair trial. I will assume innocent until proved guilty too.

ShellyBoobs Fri 30-Aug-13 00:35:03

I am finding it hard to believe that they would charge him without being 100% sure.

If they were 100% sure, there'd be no need for a trial.

Do you think everyone who is charged with offences is guilty?

McNewPants2013 Fri 30-Aug-13 00:44:54

Threads like this twist my mind ( not because of posters comments)

I would never disbelieve a person who has found the courage to report this type of crime.

however i believe in innocent before guilty.

HELP

SamHamwidge Fri 30-Aug-13 01:17:25

He painted a big emu and kangaroo when he visited my former primary school in 1979. It hung in the assembly hall for years. sad

AmberLeaf Fri 30-Aug-13 02:11:31

you are SO right about it being a different era and what went with it. But you will NEVER convince most of the MNs of that. They didn't live then, so it didn't happen/was the same as today. It wasn't

Yeah an era of young girls and women not being believed and being blamed for the things men did to them.

Its changed somewhat now, but clearly those stupid mindsets remain for some.

Also there are plenty of MNers who were alive back then, do you think we are all 21?

Mimishimi Fri 30-Aug-13 02:16:25

Well, I'm Aussie and I always felt there was something a bit weird about him (saw him in concert as a kid) but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. He shouldn't get trial by media though because false accusations do happen.

Lazyjaney Fri 30-Aug-13 07:32:26

I would never disbelieve a person who has found the courage to report this type of crime

At some point this whole thing is going to turn bad as all sorts of people get on the bandwagon.

however i believe in innocent before guilty

That is a very good approach IMO.

biryani Fri 30-Aug-13 07:46:22

He's been charged, not tried. Perhaps best to reserve judgement till he's actually convicted?

lotsofdogshere Fri 30-Aug-13 08:00:53

Sexual harassment at work and socially was less hidden in the 50's, 60's an 70's than it is now. Most sex offenders look like everybody else, unlike JS, they are often married, with children and so appear "normal". It's a great way to hide in full site. This thread confirms how hard it is for people to believe that someone they "know", even if it's only via the TV, can abuse children. There will be a trial, but to have been charged the CPS must believe it's in the public interest and that there is a high probability the evidence is strong enough to convict him.

Sparklysilversequins Fri 30-Aug-13 08:04:45

CPS don't tend to take cases to court unless they feel they are likely to lead to a conviction. They must have some pretty strong evidence.

Awomansworth Fri 30-Aug-13 08:14:42

Sadly I believe this is just the latest name of many more to come.

It does make you wonder how many more from this era are sat at home waiting for the knock on the door.

valiumredhead Fri 30-Aug-13 09:56:51

Sparkly-quite! A fair trial at this point is going through the motions, they will have very strong evidence.

I agree with whoever pointed out that sexual predators look like everyone else, normal, run of the mill every day people. The commenst about him 'looking like a nice man' are ridiculous.

My family learnt this to our detriment when we found my cousins daughter had been groomed and abused by a family friends husband, a successful, handsome, utterly charming man who turned out to be a sick and depraved monster.

They really do come in all shapes and sizes and because of this I do not trust any man who isn't her father, 100% to be alone with my DD.

MiaowTheCat Fri 30-Aug-13 10:40:53

And I see the great internet jury already have him tried and convicted. That always saddens me. I shall remain firmly sat on the fence until he goes to trial and the proper mechanism and not some internet vigilantes delivers its verdict.

But don't let legal process get in the way of a good trial by media huh? It always disgusts me.

Cookethenook Fri 30-Aug-13 10:46:55

Yanbu. It's horrible to think about.

I think it was last year, a member of a band I used to like when I was younger was convicted of some truly horrible things involving babies. It makes me feel physically sick to think that I bought their albums, went to their gigs and admired them. I was really quite distressed for a while after I heard, to think that I'd basically supported this guy while he was doing these disgusting and cruel things.

AmberLeaf Fri 30-Aug-13 11:13:17

At some point this whole thing is going to turn bad as all sorts of people get on the bandwagon

Turn bad?

Oh yes what a fun bandwagon to get on eh.

prettybird Fri 30-Aug-13 12:53:57

Whatever the verdict of the trial, this is sad for everyone concerned sad Sad for the girls involved, sad for the public to whom Rolf Harris has given pleasure to over the years, sad for Rolf (if found innocent), sad for his family....

Re the pictures that were "made" last year, I hope it doesn't turn out to be something like this case where a grandfather was accused of having child pornography when it turned out it was innocent pictures of his own grandchildren playing in the back garden on a hot day (which he hadn't been able to recognise due to the lascivious way in which they were described to him - and the CPS hadn't even been given copies when they made the initial decision to prosecute, only the written description from the police) hmm

ShellyBoobs Fri 30-Aug-13 13:29:20

I think it was last year, a member of a band I used to like when I was younger was convicted of some truly horrible things involving babies

Are you sure that this trial has happened?

It's just there's a case due to be heard in November which involves the lead singer of a well known UK rock band and the abuse of a baby. The person I'm referring to has been held in custody for quite some time.

There wasn't another similar case last year was there?

EldritchCleavage Fri 30-Aug-13 13:43:28

Agree Shelly- there has been no trial as yet.

I hardly imagine that there will be a queue of women lining up to claim they were abused when they in fact were not. Allegations of historic abuse are notoriously hard to bring to court and many women who have been abused feel shame and hide it. To state otherwise buys into the belief that women lie about abuse for gain and so cannot be trusted.

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