to think miley cyrus should stop now

(128 Posts)
MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 08:34:51

Something about that girl gives me the creeps.

Maybe she is too masculine, to full on, to manic.

Its the same with riannah its not big and its not clever I wish they would vanish.

Aaarrrggghhh rant over

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Tue 27-Aug-13 08:37:17

Do you know why she keeps sticking her tongue right out?

I don't 'get it', it doesn't look good at all

<old gimmer>

Fortunately my dd was never into the likes of Hannah Montana. I always find it odd though when naturally really pretty young women who already look lovely, think that the next step is to hack off the hair, wear virtually nothing and call jumping everything in sight dancing.

There is honestly no need, can't anyone be pretty, slim and talented AND normal anymore?

I don't particularly like her music but I find it interesting that you say you don't like her because she's too masculine... I don't think you can require anyone to be masculine or feminine in their behaviour.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 08:43:00

It looks like she is really thirsty all the time?

she is unrecognisable from her days as hannah Montana.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 08:43:52

Ok ill reword then, too, overtly sexual.

Hannah Montana was a character though right? So she looks and behaves differently to that because that's not who she is.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 27-Aug-13 09:03:16

She is clearly taking drugs, hence the tongue stuff.

I am actually really uncomfortable with the reaction. Rather than questioning why a vile song like Blurred Lines is even being performed at what is allegedly a 'family' show, all the blame and censure is going onto this young woman.

Whoever set up her singing with Robin Thicke must have had a pretty good idea what would happen. That is the person who should be being slated all over Twitter and the press today.

118sbigmoustache Tue 27-Aug-13 09:04:42

Too masculine is reworded as overtly sexual?! Okay then.

AngelsWithSilverWings Tue 27-Aug-13 09:07:43

I found it vey uncomfortable viewing. It just seemed like she is trying too hard to shock. Her performance just reminded me of a drunk women on a tacky hen night.That tongue thing she does is just odd.

I didn't feel uncomfortable during Lady Gaga's performance - even when she came out wearing next to nothing , she seems able to make it seem arty and theatrical rather than overtly sexual. I can't really explain why.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 09:11:28

Exactly angels I dont have a problem witn ga ga, she is waky but doesn't set my teeth on edge.

Bellini28 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:12:43

I guess the is what replaces actual talent these days. She looks mental in the pictures I have seen this morning, literally not all there. They all bore me anyway... Crotch thrusting seems to have become the norm so hardly shocking behaviour.... Just desperate and pathetic.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 09:15:10

She had the nerve to call kelly Clarkson fat and pitchy too I know who id rather be.

I don't think how she dresses or behaves is any worse than how Madonna has done in the past. I also don't think there's a problem with her behaving in a sexual way. She's an adult. I don't think it was appropriate for a family concert and I don't think the performance with Robin Thicke was appropriate but that's because it's a horrible song anyway and it was gross to perform it with someone young enough to be his daughter. But overall, I think she's entitled to dance and dress however she wants to.

Wishfulmakeupping Tue 27-Aug-13 09:25:12

The while performance on the vma was just so desperate. Felt very uncomfortable watching it

Wishfulmakeupping Tue 27-Aug-13 09:25:26

whole performance

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 09:25:33

In her own time, and not in my face all over the media.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 09:26:25

Her hair is AWFUL! It makes her look like a pinhead! She's got two silly tiny bunches and her tongue lolling out...I agree she seems to be on drugs.

Auntfini Tue 27-Aug-13 09:27:05

I think it's a shame. That's what they've created, now she's obviously rebelling against her youth and the producers are probably pushing that. It's really just cringey though.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 09:32:06

Oh dear sad I have just watched that performance and feel bad for commenting about her hair as if that matters when she's obviously mentally unwell.

Poor girl seems to be misdirected and unsure...someone needs to intervene now before it turns into a car crash situation.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 09:34:11

You can't compare her to Madonna because her shocking performances were very artfully carried out...she never set a food wrong and she was heavily choreographed and always looked perfect and stunning....she was brilliant at what she did. Miley seems to be under the effect of drugs which are making her feel invincible but which are affecting her performance skills.

BalloonSlayer Tue 27-Aug-13 09:35:57

"She is clearly taking drugs, hence the tongue stuff. " - don't get that, sorry? Does taking drugs make you stick your tongue out?

actually I didn't watch it so have no real opinion. I read an interview with her in the Sunday Times the other week and she came across as intelligent and likeable. This was in massive contrast to an interview in the same edition of the same paper with Vanessa Hudgens (from High School Musical) who appeared not to have two brain cells to rub together. The contrast between the two of them, given the similarities of their careers up to this point, was remarkable.

justanuthermanicmumsday Tue 27-Aug-13 09:37:09

I don't know who she is googled said incident. if people can wear underwear in public and you have society saying what's big deal she can wear what she wants what a morally depraved society we live in. We're desensitised to these images if we're constantly exposed to it, and consequently view them as acceptable viewing hey let's all sit together as a family and watch! I'm sure you wouldn't allow your kids to walk out in nothing but their underwear then gyrate their body over any random person coz hey it's just for fun! but it's ok when this girl or madonna p, britney, or gaga does it. Apparently it's exercising artistic creativity lool

To be fair she's not the only star doing this, this trash is rampant in music and movie industry I wouldn't expose my kids to this filth. Yet most of society allow their kids to worship these low life as if they have some talent?

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 09:43:38

Manic it's not the wearing of skimpy clothes or the dancing but her performance which is off...she's out of rhythm and manic. She's on something clearly. The Guardian are wondering if she's taking MDMA and it certainly looks that way.

StupidFlanders Tue 27-Aug-13 09:45:28

Meh. She's young and was wearing more than at least 3 other performers. I think she presents herself well.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 09:48:18

Stupid wtf.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 09:51:40

OP Maybe she is too masculine, to full on, to manic

Wheresmycalf I always find it odd though when naturally really pretty young women who already look lovely, think that the next step is to hack off the hair, wear virtually nothing and call jumping everything in sight dancing

Yes, of course, she should concentrate on being pretty and insipid and getting dumped by boyband members. Taylor Swift seems to shag a hell of a lot of different men but because of her girly image is deemed beyond criticism.

I actually find Miley Cyrus beginning to grow on me. Her songs are growers too. Shes slightly refreshing in a jaded business, and has a massive fanbase. She looks so much better with short hair and is slim and athletic. I don't really find her terribly shocking, its all pretty stage managed anyway. Theres a long history of rather aggressive female singers who do very well.

But yes, how dare she have short hair!!!

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 10:18:40

Less there's nothing refreshing about what she does....it's all been done before. People are concerned that she appears to be on drugs mainly. Her performance was all over the place...not professional or interesting....just awful.

Fairy130389 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:21:34

I think it is sad. I cringed watching the performance. I couldn't put my finger on what made it so uncomfortable, agree that it felt manic and also thought she had taken something.

StupidFlanders Tue 27-Aug-13 10:22:30

lessmissabs explained it better.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 10:25:00

Neo People are concerned that she appears to be on drugs mainly. Her performance was all over the place..

I suspect its choreographed to look like that. Her video for the first song has exactly the same style of dancing and has been on MTV for months.

As I said on the other thread, I actually find some of Beyoncé's dance moves more offensive, because she is marketed as a wholesome type of entertainer that young girls are meant to aspire to. Miley Cyrus is marketed slightly different, and the perceptions of the audience are tweaked accordingly.

Dahlen Tue 27-Aug-13 10:27:16

I just had to do a bit of googling to see what the fuss was about, but nothing I've seen makes me feel more appalled than anything I've come across in the recent past.

Music performances today are basically soft porn. I have no problem with 'artistes' representing themselves in whatever way they want to, but let's call it what it is and slap an age certificate on it to prevent the continuing trend of sexualisation of young children, particularly girls (interesting how all the men seem to wear suits and it's only the girls who are half naked).

I can accept that performers don't want to be pigeonholed as child entertainers. I can accept that they haven't necessarily signed up to be role models and so have the right to express themselves in an adult way. However, given that it is well known that the main fan-base (those with the spending power who launch these stars' careers) are young people, would it really hurt the music execs and performers to produce two videos for each song which can be aired at different times and to lessen the porn element when performing at events that are known to have a family audience?

RobotHamster Tue 27-Aug-13 10:30:22

Its all just publicity, isn't it?

And its working smile

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 10:31:13

Abs when you look back a year or two, her performance and dancing were FAR more slick....she was singing Gypsy Heart live and yes it was rocky and not very disney but it was also well exectuted. She IS all over the place and I'm not talking about a bit of freestyle dancing here...she's off the beat and her voice isn't right either.

Tiredemma Tue 27-Aug-13 10:37:19

I think she is also on drugs (tongue rolling etc)

A car crash.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 10:40:32

Why someone in her circle isnt saying what we are all thinking is beyond me.

If she watched herself when sober im sure she would feel the same

pictish Tue 27-Aug-13 10:40:37

LessMiss has it for me. I couldn't care less about the girl, but am amused at all the outrage that she dare have short hair and be overtly sexual. It's her life people! Hannah Montana was a long time ago. It was about a little girl. Miley Cyrus is no longer a child, and you all need to get over it now.

I aw all the media fuss, watched the video and thought so what?

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 10:42:17

She us trying to be sexy and isn't thats what jars me somewhat.

Sexy isnt whatever she IS doing.

pictish Tue 27-Aug-13 10:45:17

In your opinion. She's entitled to do whatever the fuck she likes I think. She doesn't owe us anything.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 10:46:49

She can do what she likes yes, wont stop comments of her when she puts herself in the public eye.

LookAtTheTwain Tue 27-Aug-13 10:47:32

I've seen the same and worse from -

Madonna,
Rhianna,
Britney,
Christina,
Beyonce,
Jesse, and way more 'artists' what a joke tbh.

All separately and together sometimes. Oh Lady Ga Ga too.

Yawn...

OctopusPete8 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:48:44

I think masculine is perhaps more childlike?

she doesn't look like a woman at all and is a similar age to me. The fact she looks like a child makes it more creepy.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 10:49:52

Pictish I have no problem with short hair or wild dances...be sexy do what you like and be happy I say...but she's not looking "right" somehow. I hope she gets some help.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 10:51:46

Maybe thats what it is, not womanly.

Sexy to me is, Marilyn, nigella, etc.

pictish Tue 27-Aug-13 10:51:53

Some of us have better things to do than go in the huff because some el crappo child star has the audacity to grow into a woman who doesn't pander to the expectations that she will be a wholesome little girl forever.

She hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before a million times over, by many.

This is not Myley Cyrus's problem, but that of those who are easily offended and stuck in their ways.

She's not Hannah Montana any more. Move on now!

MorphyBrown Tue 27-Aug-13 10:52:50

Whatever she is, you calling her 'too masculine' and then changing it to 'too overtly sexual' is odd.

She's just not very good at it. It looks try hard and jarring. The tongue thing is part of the 'branding'. Look at the image on the t shirt she was wearing when she performed with the bear.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 10:53:28

OP Why someone in her circle isnt saying what we are all thinking is beyond me. If she watched herself when sober im sure she would feel the same

Because the whole performance is choreographed like that to make her a fortune. Because you, and people like you's outrage, will make her famous and the money will roll in. Just as it did with Madonna 20 years ago. The Grammys always go for shock and awe tactics, and surprisingly, it is still working.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 10:55:53

It was the vma's but anyway.

pictish Tue 27-Aug-13 10:56:18

I should imagine she has watched the video and is punching the air in triumph, while you lot clutch your pearls and pass round the smelling salts.

Job done.

justanuthermanicmumsday Tue 27-Aug-13 10:57:13

Ok neo maxi, I never thought of that, but the fact is they are controlled from a young age. Have u noticed how the biggest stars had someone apparently look after them as a child until they made it big and throughout their career i.e Michael Jackson, madonna, britney. To me there's something sinister there. Britney wouldn't be the first to say "I'm sick of them handling me" as soon as she shaved her hair off. It makes me wonder about the industry. The same is happening with this girl. She will have a breakdown soon I'm sure just like britney, and some actresses I can think of.

I must be the only one who thinks underwear is for the bedroom but each to their own. She can do what she likes yes but not in public. Aren't most of her audience supposed to be kids and young teens. Clearly she's too overrated for them now, no sane parent would take their kid to her concert she's not child friendly.

As for masculine element, maybe she's aiming for the androgynous thing, madonna and prince pushed the boundaries here, I think it's simply to get more attention and a bigger fan base. As for the tongue thing I reckon that's sexual marketing I'm sure she's been told to do it, unless she copying canine behaviour.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 10:58:02

Maybe thats what it is, not womanly. Sexy to me is, Marilyn, nigella, etc.

That would Marilyn who died young of a possible drugs overdose and slept with abusive, famous married men? And Nigella who recently divorced an abusive, famous man? So that "womanly" image has done them a lot of good!

I'm actually uncomfortable with you describing women as sexy, as if it is some end goal that all must work towards to attain, above all others. I can appreciate other women's attractiveness, and for me, I admire female athletes and an athletic figure, not what a traditional middle aged man wanting an affair would go for. Or what they would like to condition us to think.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 10:59:46

The issue is NOT her clothing...it's NOT her hair....it's not even fucking twerking on that Thicke man...it's the fact that her performance skills seem to have foundered.

Like her or not she is or was a highly talented singer, dancer and showwoman and now she seems to have lost that.

candycoatedwaterdrops Tue 27-Aug-13 11:00:08

I don't think she's behaved any worse than any of the above mentioned artists. It did what she wanted - got people talking.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 11:00:48

Bollocks. She's on drugs and fucking up.

volvocowgirl Tue 27-Aug-13 11:02:18

With the exception of about 6 seconds with a foam finger it all looks very choreographed, which isn't surprising considering the size of the stage. She just appears a little over enthusiastic,but from what I've seen she's often like that, it was just in that context it came across differently.

Personally I think it's no more inappropriate than 45yr old woman snogging a 21yr old at the VMAs ten years ago, (if that had been an older man there would have been uproar). Or what about Britney's almost nude outfit? Or Kanye West being the most disrespectful t@sser known to man? Or Lil Kim's boobage? Or just generally some of the violence that has been reported at the VMAs over the years?

Also VMAs aside, saying Madonna hasn't set a foot wrong is glossing over a lot of behaviour (and really terrible acting). But so what, it's up to her!

Miley's young and finding her place in the world, most people act out a little at that point, I feel for her because she's got the world's judgey little eyes on her and a while lot of people who can't help but wag their fingers and tongues at her in disapproval.

No one else seems to be getting this much rubbish slung at them over this incident and there would've been a lot of people with a lot bigger say in the whole display than her. Plus, whilst I'm moaning, I'm fed up with that fake Smith Family photo doing the rounds too.

MorphyBrown Tue 27-Aug-13 11:02:22

Teddy bear furry bustier with the bear doing the tongue out thing.

She's just not very good at what she's trying to do. Unlike Rihanna.

MorphyBrown Tue 27-Aug-13 11:05:18

'If that had been an older man there would have been uproar'

No, it wouldn't have been news because it's pretty standard.

pictish Tue 27-Aug-13 11:09:01

It's a lot of fuss over fuck all.

Dahlen Tue 27-Aug-13 11:34:00

Miley Cyrus may not be doing anything different to a multitude (of female) stars before her, and I have completely failed to be shocked by this, but I wouldn't consider it nothing. I think it's a sad reflection of how female performers have, in the main, have to conform to a fuckability standard in order to keep their star in the ascendent - something which has important ramifications for other women and in particular young girls who go around emulating the costumes and choreography they see on their heroines.

peanutMD Tue 27-Aug-13 11:53:33

I think she's rebelling against the crappy image she was stuck with as a young girl, once you've been that sweet little teeny bopper I imagine its bloody hard to be taken seriously as a grown up artist.

That says I think her performance was awful from the start and RT's awkward posture when she was grinding up on him suggested to me that he was uncomfortable.

Either way she's cocked up but i'm sure she'll come back

brightnearly Tue 27-Aug-13 12:08:04

I just wonder why there seems to be the equation of growing up = becoming overtly sexual in their performances instead of growing up = doing some really good, interesting music and image changes that don't hinge on sex alone.
It's boring this way!

peanutMD Tue 27-Aug-13 12:12:30

Totally agree Bright.

Unfortunately though decent music seems to be a thing if the past as most "artists" seem to concentrate more on how they look or are being perceived rather than their musical talents (or lack of as the case may be)

I don't like slut shaming other women and to be honest it's not much different to what Madonna did back in the day BUT the problem is she is shite.

118sbigmoustache Tue 27-Aug-13 12:16:33

I think they become overtly sexual because up until that point they aren't allowed to be sexual at all because of whatever innocent character they are playing at the time. So they then go maybe too far or too extreme because it all happens at once. Kind of like how some teenagers will get everything pierced when they turn 18 after not being allowed even ear piercings before that.

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 27-Aug-13 12:17:48

OP she is a woman not a girl.

It looked,to me,like she was taking the piss out of Rihanna,Beyonce and the like and their *Oh look at me,panting and grinding,I'm so sexy type of performance.

volvocowgirl Tue 27-Aug-13 12:26:01

MorphyBrown - I do agree it's more acceptable (when it shouldn't be) but there's also huge backlash - look at Courtney Stodden and Doug Hutchison.

brightnearly Tue 27-Aug-13 12:27:21

moustache To me, the problem seems quite the opposite: very early sexualisation and awareness of it, and nowhere to go from there except outrageousness...
Also, when comparing Cristina Aguilera's Dirrty with this performance, somehow the former seems more genuine in that Aguilera comes across as knowing what she is singing about, whereas I think Miley seems fundamentally clueless.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 12:28:15

Does nobody else think her performance skills seem to have disapeared? She was very good at what she did a few years ago...

ShakeAndVac Tue 27-Aug-13 12:32:35

*I should imagine she has watched the video and is punching the air in triumph, while you lot clutch your pearls and pass round the smelling salts.
Job done.*

Exactly this! I said the same thing on one of the other million threads on here about the same thing.
It's done to shock and get publicity, and the fainting and squawking outrage still works, and always has done - all these threads about it proves that!

less no she should concentrate on her talent. Which was supposed to be singing. If she wants to be taken seriously as a performer surely relying on talent rather than what she perceives to be "outrageous or sexy" of which its neither it's tacky and quite frankly revolting.

No one now will remember what she was good at, just some OTT grotesque dance routine that's been done 100 times before, it's boring and predictable and not one singer has ever lived that part down if they make it at all afterwards to look back ten years from now.

peanutMD Tue 27-Aug-13 12:36:19

Hold up Volvo, you mean to tell me that people had heard of that Courtney Stodden person before big brother??

I was baffled when she announced that everyone was obsessed with her lol

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 12:37:18

Shake what bollocks you speak....I for one am totally unshockable having had a very wild youth myself. I don't judge or feel disgusted by the way she dances....I am just worried she's on drugs and will have some kind of car crash situation soon.

And I have to say I agree with neo. If I saw anyone in a pub or club doing that my first thought would be drugs. Naive that may seem but that's not just moving away from a "clean cut Disney image" .

I would be worried for that woman if i was her friend or family.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 27-Aug-13 12:51:29

It's the sheer scale of her tongue that upsets me. It's like something I saw being sliced in a butcher's in the 70s.

IfYouLoveSomebodyLetThemSleep Tue 27-Aug-13 12:57:36

Can everyone who has commented on Mileys dress sense and her dance moves please, PLEASE take a look back on themselves at that age. Where you all wearing roll neck jumpers and not doing anything inappropriate?

She's a young girl who's going through a very normal rebellion stage, she just so happens to be doing it in front of the worlds press.

BramshawHill Tue 27-Aug-13 13:07:34

I saw it just now, I'm not disgusted or appalled or shocked, I'm just embarrassed for her - the way people were probably embarrassed for me when I was younger and experimenting with my image. She's had to play a wholesome, good girl character for most of her childhood and now she's going off the rails exactly like Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes et al.

livinginwonderland Tue 27-Aug-13 13:26:13

I'm 24 and I've never done what Miley did. It's perfectly possible to rebel as a teenager without gyrating everywhere in your underwear.

MrsBucketxx Tue 27-Aug-13 13:27:55

I used to dance in clubs, professionally. But never acted like that.

I have too much self respect unlike mikey it seems

I had a few piercing and drank sometimes. I never Pranced about in next to nothing or humped inanimate objects everywhere, and my tongue could stay in my mouth.

LesMiss and Pictish have it.

Whether or not she is on drugs is nothing to do with the pearl-clutching slut-shaming going on. If she's on drugs that's tragic. If she's to be reviled because she cut her hair off and doesn't want to dress like 'real women'-Marilyn, Nigella-that's also pretty fucking tragic.

Wellwobbly Tue 27-Aug-13 15:28:39

I totally agree with you. Just - eeuw.

They are a terrible role model to young girls. We women have sad thread after sad thread in relationships, about struggling with men who can connect emotionally, exchange shallow infatuation/sex with proper connection, and here they are modelling that shallow to girls.

As opposed to Beyonce and even Lady Gaga - two intelligent feisty, independent women.

ThereGoesTheYear Tue 27-Aug-13 16:36:18

The tongue thing looks like it was planned - mirroring the teddy on her outfit. I don't agree that it's a sign she's in drugs.
The whole performance would have been choreographed and rehearsed. I'm unhappy that the outrage is focused on the 20 year old woman, not the 36 year old man who also agreed to and rehearsed this performance. This awful man's rapey song is about a 'good girl' - that would be former child star Miley, I presume. It is all publicity for both of them.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 27-Aug-13 17:03:55

Year no. It's a general "thing" with her...she does it all the time. the outfit was a comment on that.

12thDoctorsCompanion Tue 27-Aug-13 19:07:10

Agree with Manicmumsday (great name btw!)

12thDoctorsCompanion Tue 27-Aug-13 19:09:44

Another Lohan/Bynes/Britney, and if it carries on, probably another Amy Winehouse/whitney Houston/.

and all to be 'cool' (or whatever the current 'street' word for it is!)

isshoes Tue 27-Aug-13 23:05:29

Some interesting views on here. I find the references to 'pearl clutching' rather patronising. I thought it was an embarrassing and uncomfortable performance, because she did not seem in control of herself, any the dance with Thicke seemed very wrong, particularly given the age gap and the fact that he is married. It's all a bit grotesque really, I hope she isn't heading for some sort of Lohan/Spears-type breakdown.

AmandaHoldenmigroin Wed 28-Aug-13 02:07:51

I like her new look - not sure the whole but thrusting is all that good but it's certainly got her a lot of attention - so in those terms it's been successful.

differentnameforthis Wed 28-Aug-13 02:52:35

can't anyone be pretty, and talented AND normal anymore?

I fixed it for you, slim doesn't need to come into it. People can be large & still be pretty & talented.

PeriodMath Wed 28-Aug-13 03:01:21

I'm interested to know why people think Beyonce and Ga Ga are somehow in a different league.

Beyonce never stops shaking her arse, dances in a very suggestive, sexual way, wears next to nothing on stage. All this has increased with her age. She is also non-sensical when she speaks and is married to a rapper who decided when his daughter was born that he would no longer refer to women in his songs as whores and bitches. hmm

As for Ga Ga, please google her VMA outfit - particularly the rear view and tell me she's classier than Miley.

I have no idea who she is or what she's done. She needs to wear a pettitcoat and stays by the sound of it, however.

Who the fuck watches the MTV awards anyway?

Hats off to anyone with the confidence to dance in public. I doubt there'd be drugs strong enough to induce me to, but then I'm not a gorgeous young performer in her prime. Er, very not, in fact.

AmandaHoldenmigroin Wed 28-Aug-13 03:43:24

I am going to order a foam finger. Looks like fun!

MrsBucketxx Wed 28-Aug-13 07:20:06

Different adel fits all those criteria and more.

isshoes Wed 28-Aug-13 07:55:10

Beyonce and Gaga are, whenever I have seen them perform, in control and on their game. Plus I have not seen them do things that were quite as explicit as what Miley did. I must admit that one thing that may jade my view is although Miley is 20, she looks younger, and that makes it all seem worse somehow too, although of course that is not her fault. I also think that the fact that just a few years ago she was a children's entertainer and now she is performing in such a provocative way is wrong.

diff I wasn't talking about anyone else I was talking about her.

This is seriously why I don't watch performances any more. Because it all seems to have stopped being about how well someone can sing. And more about how "sexy and outrageous" they can be.

I don't think it's sexy at all. And it s certainly isn't a role model to aspire to is it. Lets teach all these young girls that to make it you have to show off your figure by wearing virtually nothing and dance like your on drugs.

Don't most if them mime these days because you can't possibly bound around like that and sing to the best of your ability.? Which proves its all about "looking good"

What would be nice would be to see them in a regular outfit with just a guitar and a microphone, be interesting to see how well many of these singers would do then.

Yeah she's lucky enough to have that kind of figure right now, god knows I'd trade my flabby frame for it. But she just didn't have to be so , well, full on and cringeworthy.

DropYourSword Wed 28-Aug-13 08:56:27

How can anyone here categorically state she's on drugs?!

She's a performer. Performers need audience reaction. That's what she's getting from this. We are discussing it on a mums forum. People who hadn't seen it have now gone and googled it because it's being discussed here. Therefore, job done for her. Same as the blurred lines song... All to provoke the reactions they are now clearly receiving. Best thing to do if you find it shocking... say nothing.

Also, this had happened right throughout the ages. Elvis, the stones, Madonna, Marilyn Manson. Take your pick!

BistoBear Wed 28-Aug-13 09:14:44

My 19 year old flatmates constantly post pictures of themselves sticking their tongues out in all directions. I think it's the new duck face...

PeriodMath Wed 28-Aug-13 14:05:32

Isshoes, I think you're are absolutely right that Miley's appearance - she really doesn't look more than 16 to me - colours our perception.

dubstarr73 Wed 28-Aug-13 15:23:50

Ok neo maxi, I never thought of that, but the fact is they are controlled from a young age. Have u noticed how the biggest stars had someone apparently look after them as a child until they made it big and throughout their career i.e Michael Jackson, madonna, britney. To me there's something sinister there. Britney wouldn't be the first to say "I'm sick of them handling me" as soon as she shaved her hair off. It makes me wonder about the industry. The same is happening with this girl. She will have a breakdown soon I'm sure just like britney, and some actresses I can think of.
Madonna wasnt a child star and she did it bigger and better than all the pretenders

ByeByeBirdiee Wed 28-Aug-13 15:53:41

I find this thread rather embarrassing.

It's a publicity stunt geez. How many people are talking about her? There was like 300,000 tweets every minute about it or something.

The VMA is about shocking - Kayne West interrupting Taylor Swift and Madonna kissing Britney.

I watched a video of her on the Ellen show having a tea party with Sophia Grace and Rosie.

Intervention?Drugs? Lol this place.

eineschlampa Wed 28-Aug-13 16:28:33

I find the bitchiness on here laughable tbh. She is a young, good looking and very successful Woman.
The jealousy emanating from the majority of you on here is quite frankly embarrassing. Live and let live she is doing in no one any harm.

Dahlen Wed 28-Aug-13 16:39:13

I wish people wouldn't ascribe motives to others. I am NOT jealous, offended, shocked, or any of the other emotions other people seem keen to ascribe to me simply because I don't like Miley Cyrus's performance.

I don't know her and haven't really come across her beyond this thread so I can't comment on whether I like her or dislike her, but the fact that I don't like her performance is not a reflection on her personally. That's part of the sad thing about it. Her role could have been fulfilled by any young, sexually attractive woman.

Her antics weren't particularly shocking in the context of a mainstream pop-music setting. That's what makes me sad. At some point in the last 20 years it became normal for female singers to parade around half-naked gyrating like models in a porn film. That's now as much a part of their performance as their voice. For every Adele there are numerous Mileys.

Sadly, all this does is reinforce over and over again that women should be judged on sex appeal first and talent second. It trickles down to all of us, leading to the objectification of ordinary women on the street and jewel-studded bras for 9-year-olds. I don't like that. It doesn't make me jealous or pearl clutching.

Miley Cyrus is not responsible for this culture and I don't blame her for doing it - few would say no when given vast sums of money for doing it and a little artistic input that can give them the delusion of being 'empowered'. But I think it is very damaging for women everywhere.

forehead Wed 28-Aug-13 16:45:45

I do not believe that posters on this thread are jealous of MC. On the contrary, i think that many pity her.
IMHO, people are not shocked by the lack of clothing or suggestive dancing. It is the fact that MC, does not appear to be in control.
Her behaviour was almost manic
However. she has the attention she wanted. We are all talking about her.

TheCraicDealer Wed 28-Aug-13 16:46:33

Leading on from a PP I read an article in the Sunday Times Magazine a few years ago, just after Hannah Montana wrapped up. According to the people interviewed, she was the driving force getting that role in the first place. Her Mum and Dad weren't keen, producers thought she was too young, but she just kept on auditioning until she got what she wanted. She was 11!

I find it hard to believe that someone who shows that much drive, ambition and canniness at that age would behave in such a way that could potentially risk her career and present fan base without there being an "end goal".

She tweeted yesterday saying "Smilers! My VMA performance had 306.000 tweets per minute. That’s more than the blackout or Superbowl! #fact."- if that doesn't prove awareness of what she's doing then what does?

FWIW I am jealous of her- Dolly Parton is her godmother.

PeriodMath Wed 28-Aug-13 17:24:47

Dolly Parton is her godmother? shockshock

I have never been so jealous in my whole life.

dubstarr73 Wed 28-Aug-13 18:43:02
nomorecrumbs Wed 28-Aug-13 19:11:01

I'm sure Dolly Parton is reet proud of her right now.

isshoes Wed 28-Aug-13 19:53:59

Why would this thread, or the comments on it be embarrassing? confused

And jealousy? That's amusing. No one is shocked, no one is scandalised, no one is clutching their pearls, the overall message on here is one of concern for a young performer who seemed out of her depth and out of control.

The OP was distinctly cruel in tone. There was no sense of concern in the words 'gives me the creeps'.

isshoes Wed 28-Aug-13 20:50:16

Well I said 'the overall message' which is not an all-inclusive term.

Bakingnovice Wed 28-Aug-13 21:42:36

For me it's really sad. She is probably on drugs and has issues from being handled all through her formative years. And some male fat cat record exec is rubbing his hands with glee at all this press.

I thought gagas performance was worse. She creeps me out and I don't like all the subliminal messages in her songs and performances. Her nudity is not art for me. She would shock and interest me more these days if she wore clothes. Same for Jessie j and rhianna. Surely everyone is desensitised to the dancing in underwear phenomenon by now?

isshoes I know-I just thought it worth pointing out as a lot of the posts on the thread are directly responding to the OP's posts.

duchessandscruffy Wed 28-Aug-13 22:42:27

The thing that was most disturbing for me was that a 20 year old girl was manically gyrating and pretending to masturbate with a foam finger alongside a guy who was fully clothed, cool as a cucumber and technically old enough to be her dad. It just seemed very wrong. God, I sound like such an old gimmer!

And you really cannot compare her with beyonce - yes beyonce is very sexual in her performances and I am always a bit hmm at her 'girls run the world' attitude when you look at the lyrics of her husband's songs. However, when she performs she is pitch perfect and the dancing is spot on, it is perfection!

Wellwobbly Thu 29-Aug-13 06:19:58

I found something that really catches why I dislike these stupid young girls, and truly consider them to be narcissistic morons who are absolutely betraying young girls on what it is to be a woman:

"People are bombarded with images of women as sex objects in advertising and marketing campaigns. Over and over, the message to men is that the good life includes a parade of sexy women in their lives. Women *inadvertently buy into this image and strive to achieve it.*"

from 'Why people have affairs' by Peggy Vaughan

Teenagers who are grappling with the vital existential questions of 'Who am I? and 'What do I want?' get the strong message that they have to be 'hot' and totally sexual/available to men without connection, in order to 'be somebody'.

It is horrible, and it is wrong.

Wellwobbly Thu 29-Aug-13 06:22:18

Sorry, last sentence again

It is horrible, and it is wrong because it is a path to emptiness, unhappiness and self-loathing.

I really hope for a backswing one day, against all this shallow vapid self-absorbtion for ££££££.

ZeroTolerance Thu 29-Aug-13 06:41:50

Seriously Duchess? So Beyonce gets away with it because she's a better dancer? She can sexual exploit herself but so long as she hits every note that's ok? hmm

StupidFlanders Thu 29-Aug-13 07:21:16

Agreed zerotolerance. This thread is infuriating.

Therealamandaclarke Thu 29-Aug-13 07:54:16

Women and girls are sex objects. That is the truth of the world we live in.
When miley was a kid she was cute and wholesome. That's what was required by "society". Now she's all grown up she has a choice. Be sexy and get objectified or sink without a trace.
We live in a cruel superficial world where we're teaching our children that girls are there to be looked at if they're sexy or ignored if they're not.

Anyone who doesn't buy into it, or who claims not to like the status quo grin can conveniently be accused of being out of touch or jealous. Easy peasy - man's world sorted.

isshoes Thu 29-Aug-13 07:57:15

I think Beyonce's performances are very different from what I saw on the VMAs. Yes Beyonce dances in a provocative way. But her moves are more subtle, and she appears in total control of herself. Miley's moves were more explicit than I have ever seen Beyonce be, and she seemed out of control.

MrsBucketxx Thu 29-Aug-13 08:12:07

Exactly isshoes, simulated masterbation with a big giant foam finger, isn't something beyonce does.

PavlovtheCat Thu 29-Aug-13 08:15:01

My initial thoughts were that she was on drugs. Overt strutting, her posture was all wrong, she was out of rhythm, huge over-emphasised grinning and gesticulation, and the tongue thing was very typical of someone who was on MDMA, xtc or some other upper - it not only makes you feel great and that you are amazing (and I expect when the crowd is cheering you, that sense of ego is inflated even more than normal when on drugs), but it makes your muscles work overtime, so everything you do is much more pronounced as the muscles stretch out. So, what she might well have anticipated as being choreographed sexy dancing, in fact was far too over the top with lots of bending her back arched. She knows better than that. That was not dancing.

A huge public meltdown not completely unparalleled to Britney Spears is what it looks like to me.

(Although, I thought her hair looked ridiculous with those little things on top, but generally, I love her short hair on her, it suits her).

JerseySpud Thu 29-Aug-13 09:04:01

It made me uncomfortable.

What got me more was the men were all dressed in suits, the women in various stages of undress.

Says alot about society now i guess.

MrsBucketxx Thu 29-Aug-13 11:02:56

I have done loads of e (mdma) and have never seen the tongue or done it myself.

Gurning like a haddock yes tongue no.

I watched it again earlier and the more I watch the more I think its an act, to get a reaction.

Plus all shots beforehand look much more normal, in the black outfit, no massive eyes etc.

AmandaHoldenmigroin Sat 31-Aug-13 14:13:29

well Miley's new album is number 5 already and it only comes out in October - such is the demand after her stunt. Clever girl

Tasmania Sun 01-Sep-13 18:37:25

Please don't take it out on the girl. She is an adult now. Not Hannah Montana.

I don't deny it was provocative - but that's what shows like this dictate. The VMA is a show where you go to be the most extreme version of your on-stage persona. And yes, it might not have been as polished as Beyonce's or even Madonna's showpieces of the past - but the difference between the performances may be the same as that between a stripper and a Burlesque dancer (essentially, they are doing the same thing... just in a different way).

She's young, and will learn.

And having watched the performance, there wasn't THAT much wrong there. The questionable moments may have amounted for a few seconds of a 6 minutes plus performance...

To be honest, I remember doing similar type of dancing when I was of similar age - and yes, it was aimed to be a show... but seriously?? It was nothing but just a bit of play-acting... in fact, I was probably one of the most innocent girls at that age (a bit of a Sandra Dee)!!!

What you have to remember is... it's a show! The audience would be bored just watching "normal" people... or Sandra Dee.

SarahAndFuck Sun 01-Sep-13 19:03:48

I assumed she was drunk for that performance.

But I think it's Robin Thicke that needs to stop.

Back2Two Sun 01-Sep-13 20:06:28

Her sticking her tongue out is totally voluntary.
Nothing to do with taking drugs. Which drugs supposedly make you do that?

She looked disinhibited and slightly out of control.

She wasn't pushing any boundaries. What boundaries are left to push? She was just pushing a spongy finger around like Kenny Everett.

I just don't know where some of these female performers are going. It doesn't feel liberating, it feels desperate.

But, I'm from a whole different generatIon. What do I know?

SleepOhHowIMissYou Sun 01-Sep-13 23:41:26

Oh I am just so tired of all the slut-shaming in media nowadays! Sorry if I am repeating, I have skipped to the end of the thread, but where's the berating of Robin Thicke, a man in his late 30s, stalking and frottaging a 20 year old girl round the stage whilst singing his rapey little ditty about coerced a@se sex?

Miley Cyrus is NOT Hannah Montana. Hannah Montana is a role she played as a CHILD for goodness sake. She is trying to make her way in a cut throat industry and her fans from her Disney days are growing with her so she needs to keep up with the Zeitgeist if she wants to retain them as well as attract new fans. Either that or she can fade away and try to scrape a living on the residuals of the work she's already done, but the amount of Hannah Montana cr#p you see at car boots and in pound shops would suggest this is not a lucrative route.

She's not a sweet little girl anymore, and she should be free to express her sexuality as she pleases without a barrage of abuse when she's no worse than her contemporaries in the industry. "How dare she get out of the box we've so neatly filed her in! How dare she grow up!"

I took great delight in Robin Thicke's rather terrified face when he encountered her raw energy at the start of the duet. He who seeks to label our young women as 'good girls' (grrrrrrr); good girls just begging for it really, 'you know you want it'. She owned the stage, and she owned him!

More power to your foam finger Miley!

ZeroTolerance Mon 02-Sep-13 01:45:15

Sleep, I like your perspective.

I guess she did turn his misogynistic little song on its head. She definitely had the upper hand. I still think it's a seedy way to go and I can't stand how sexualised female popstars make themselves BUT you're right, in that night, she owned the stage.

All power to the foam finger grin

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