Miley Cyrus, Robin Thicke and THAT performance

(94 Posts)
Sparklymommy Tue 27-Aug-13 01:59:22

AIBU to think someone/anyone should have told her this would be a huge mistake? Not going to link because I don't know how. But basically if you want to need eye bleach/ watch it its on YouTube. Miley Cyrus VMAs 2013.

WafflyVersatile Tue 27-Aug-13 02:05:36

In what way has it or will it be a huge mistake for her? I've not been paying attention.

Is it a massive mistake for Robin (?) Thicke too?

Sparklymommy Tue 27-Aug-13 02:12:23

Have you seen the performance?

Clearly over the last few months Miley has been very publicly divorcing herself from her Disney girl image but even so! Starting off in what can only be described as a furry teddy bear leotard which was hideous to Basically a skin tone bra and support pants and performing in a way worse than the video for blurred lines.

A clear attempt to shock and I am sure she will be in all the papers in the morning but I just think it could backfire on her. She is a young girl who could be sexy and provocative without basically simulating sex on stage in her underwear!

MidniteScribbler Tue 27-Aug-13 02:13:43

There's already a very long thread on chat about this.

Sparklymommy Tue 27-Aug-13 02:15:47

Oh is there? Shall pop over and have a read

mynewpassion Tue 27-Aug-13 02:29:51

I felt bad for robin thicke. He was like a pervert on the stage.

Sparklymommy Tue 27-Aug-13 02:55:30

I thought he looked like a humbug! I just think the choreographer and MTV are exploiting her.

NutcrackerFairy Tue 27-Aug-13 08:25:13

Can you link to the actual performance?

All I can find are news reports and photos.... although I think I probably get the gist!

the only full length one at the moment

SO wrong on so many levels.

RT is like a giant perverted humbug...

MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet Tue 27-Aug-13 08:38:04

she looks like she's on something to me!

Charliefarlie1192 Tue 27-Aug-13 08:43:02

CRINGE! That is all

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 27-Aug-13 08:45:48

She is so very clearly on drugs. The tongue thing is just ridiculous.

Whats with the tounge? Is that like her thing? sticking it out all the time cos its big? I presume shes like 16 or something. Its all a bit cringing.

MadeOfStarDust Tue 27-Aug-13 08:58:29

She is 20 - nearly 21.....

I am SOOOOOOOOOO glad the internet was not used so widely when I was that age!!!!!

NutcrackerFairy Tue 27-Aug-13 09:01:44

Thanks for the link.

I really hate this sort of thing, where fully dressed men have half dressed women cavorting about them.

The girls look like lapdancers whilst the men look like they have just paid them. The words smug and controlling come to mind.

Jessie J is another young female performer who wears bra and undies and looks like a plaything for rich old men despite the edgy hairstyle and snarling expression.

It would be so much more subversive and eye catching if a fully dressed female performer had men dancing around her in various states of undress... therefore for this Miley Cyrus/Robin Thicke performance they should have had Miley in a suit and Robin in a flesh coloured thong....

But they never will do this, oh no, because female bright young things must show how hip they are by wearing next to nothing whilst older male performers must display how cool and in control they are hmm

Boring and sexist!

NutcrackerFairy Tue 27-Aug-13 09:08:32

Sorry, should have said older male performers must display how cool and in control they are by being fully dressed.

Because of course they are not being assessed purely as sexual objects to be sleazed over.

I actually feel sorry for Miley Cyrus as I think she is getting some duff advice from her management.

She doesn't look 'cool' or 'hip' [or whatever the term is nowadays] she just looks out of control and OTT and a bit desperate for attention.

Madonna did this type of semi naked, simulating sex shtick centuries ago... with her Sex book, etc.

Miley needs to find her own USP.... and quickly.

EmpireBiscuit Tue 27-Aug-13 09:09:56

One massive step for feminism right there.....

ChocolateBridesmaid Tue 27-Aug-13 09:10:28

shock

AFishWithoutABicycle Tue 27-Aug-13 09:12:35

If she is ever lucky enough to look down at her own innocent DC and want to protect her/him from growing up too fast, only then she'll know how angry this stuff makes me. She is encouraging the next generation of girls to think taking drugs and behaving like a sex workers is 'cool'. And the next generation of boys to think girls are objects and available for their enjoyment. Shame on you Miley!

ChocolateBridesmaid Tue 27-Aug-13 09:18:44

She twerked on his crotch, just shock and yes very cringy.

Where the hell are her parents, surely after this they should sit her down and say Miley, no, just no...wrong direction babe. Leave it at that now and move on.

ChocolateBridesmaid Tue 27-Aug-13 09:20:54

Oh and put your tongue away.

Wishfulmakeupping Tue 27-Aug-13 09:23:24

Oh god what a mess the whole thing what was she thinking.
The tongue thing she must be on drugs mustn't she. It was just so desperate

SuperiorCat Tue 27-Aug-13 09:24:50

Well said AFish

emuloc Tue 27-Aug-13 09:27:56

Boring yes sexist yawn. I would be more worried about her state of mind tbh.

hardboiledpossum Tue 27-Aug-13 09:30:34

Afish, it is not mileys responsibility to make sure your daughter grows up in to a well rounded person, the responsibility lies with you. Shame on you for judging a young woman and not the production teams. I thought we had moved past slut shaming

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 27-Aug-13 09:31:57

Oh, Christ...... <<<<<<CRIIIIIIINGE>>>>>>>>

Thank fuck the Internet wasn't around when I was that age.

And what the fuck is 'twerking', anyway?

A dying for her. How excruciatingly embarrassing. Surely she will NEVER live this down.

emuloc Tue 27-Aug-13 09:33:35

Is a 20/21 year old to take no responsibility for their own actions?

Fakebook Tue 27-Aug-13 09:33:59

I think Will Smith's family's reaction speaks for everyone!

here

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 27-Aug-13 09:34:49

I hear what you're saying hardboiled and agree with you to an extent.

But don't lay the blame on the production team entirely and absolve Miley of any responsibility whatsoever. She's a functioning adult with a mind of her own, surely?

hettienne Tue 27-Aug-13 09:38:29

She looked like she was on drugs, he looked (even more like) a creepy pervert.

I feel really sorry for her. She seems like she is in a downward spiral - why isn't anyone on her side stepping in? I'm guessing we'll see a Britney Spears/Amanda Bynes style breakdown soon.

candycrushhater Tue 27-Aug-13 09:39:08

The tongue thing is her trademark, apparently hmm

MairzyDoats Tue 27-Aug-13 09:40:46

She definitely looks like she was on something. So sad that young female pop stars seem to feel they have to go further and further to prove how sexually 'up for it' they are.

Tee2072 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:41:34

She's not a child. She is old enough to decide for herself.

She's trying to be sexy. She looks sleazy instead.

We've all made bad choices in our lives.

bootsycollins Tue 27-Aug-13 09:42:00

Oh gawd I'm cringing even though I'm sat alone at the safety of my kitchen table. Wrong on so many levels. I gather that Robin Thicke has been around for some time but has never received much publicity until the Blurred Lines song with Pharell.

hettienne Tue 27-Aug-13 09:46:01

We all make bad choices, but if my 20 year old daughter was making them I'd at least try to stop her!

hardboiledpossum Tue 27-Aug-13 09:48:34

Facebook the smiths makewere watching lady gaga when that shot was taken.

Grand, yes if she were actually hurting anyone other than herself then i would expect her to take responsibility for her actions. She is not responsible for other peoples children though. Blame the industry and the top producers for the portrayal of girls as sex objects. Don't blame the puppet.

MusicalEndorphins Tue 27-Aug-13 09:48:39

Dh & I saw a clip of that on the Chelsy Lately show tonight and laughed our heads off. trying too hard came to mind. I guess she wants to make an adult impression.
Show business kids... I dread to think what I may have done had I been one! ;P

hardboiledpossum Tue 27-Aug-13 09:50:25

Fakebook

MusicalEndorphins Tue 27-Aug-13 09:53:49
Wannabestepfordwife Tue 27-Aug-13 09:53:51

She looked like she was on something to me. I really hope she watches it back and realises a change of image and management is called for

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 27-Aug-13 10:04:48

'Don't blame the puppet' is, to me, as bad as 'slut shaming'.

Give the girl some credit for a mind of her own, and autonomy of her own.

hardboiledpossum Tue 27-Aug-13 10:12:20

Do you remember the vanity fair photoshoot she did when she was 15 with her dad? She was half naked and 15. It seems that this was the path she was guided down from a very young age.

Whole thing is cringeworthy - especially thick who resembles and elderly pervert chasing MC around the stage. However it will have all been choreographed and rehearsed and approved by her management/Thickos management and the MTV VMA management before being performed.

MC is trying to establish herself in the same vogue as Rihanna or Kesha - nothing I saw on that performance was more disturbing than one of theirs.

What is really disturbing is the continuing objectification of women as purely sex toys for men, which is reinforced by Thickos lyrics. And the fact that MC is yet another child star being warped by the bizarre world they work in.

SeaSickSal Tue 27-Aug-13 10:14:19

Madonna did it all so much better 20 years ago.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 10:21:50

The first song and similar video has been on MTV for ages and that dancing seems to be her style. I think the performance will gain her record sales and publicity etc - I'm not a middle aged man or a wannabee porn star that it appeals to but the US can be pretty unsophisticated and its a different market.

Actually I find some of Beyoncé's dance moves much worse and more offensive in some of her videos. In fact thats possibly worse because she is marketed as a wholesome type of entertainer that women shoudl aspire to. Or the Britney snogging Madonna thing. The Grammys are usually a cringefest at some point, using shock value to gain publicity.

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 27-Aug-13 10:25:23

I was thinking of Madonna, too.

Been there, done that, a whole generation ago. It's not 'shocking' now; it's just deeply cringe-worthy.

BoozyBear Tue 27-Aug-13 10:25:55
Still18atheart Tue 27-Aug-13 10:26:50

ERRMMM

that is dreadful!!! I mean in what corner of her mind did she think that doing any of that was remotely a good idea??

Also, isn't she supposed to be engaged?? If I was her fiance I would be hitting the roof. Yes I know that performing life is different to RL but still

LazyMonkeyButler Tue 27-Aug-13 10:36:43

Oh dear, she definitely looks to be 'under the influence' doesn't she?

The "WTF?" faces of the celebs in the audience are priceless!

I know Robin Thicke is a huge sleazebag but, really, couldn't he have had the performance toned down a bit? He's a 36 year old man - does it really look good to have a drugged up looking/acting 20 year old rubbing herself up against him?

BlingBang Tue 27-Aug-13 10:36:43

Don't even want to watch, know I'll be hiding behind the couch.

Actually Beyonce annoys me as well, more clean cut my ass. Any of them who have to sing and prance in underwear or overly provocative - just think WHY?

BlingBang Tue 27-Aug-13 10:38:52

And the The Smiths faces were hilarious - no matter who they were watching.

LookAtTheTwain Tue 27-Aug-13 10:45:39

I've seen the same and worse from -

Madonna,
Rhianna,
Britney,
Christina,
Beyonce,
Jesse, and way more 'artists' what a joke tbh.

All separately and together sometimes.

Yawn...

AFishWithoutABicycle Tue 27-Aug-13 10:59:14

hardboiled
She's in her 20's I think. Old enough. and don't get me wrong i do blame the production team and the media and the general public and society and myself... But the buck has to stop somewhere and if every time I had a rant I had to be completely objective and point out all the other contributing factors my mumsnet contributions would be very long and boring

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 11:01:02

BlingBang And the The Smiths faces were hilarious - no matter who they were watching

Am I being too cynical to think that the highly media savvy Smith family choreographed this themselves?!

OctopusPete8 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:04:31

I think their reactions are pretty genuine tbh, he seems fairly protective of his family in that sense.

LoopThePoop Tue 27-Aug-13 11:12:55

LessMis,
I agree. The smiths are a company not a family.
Will would be giving the nod I imagine.
Did you see him with the son on graham norton a few months back. Brilliant, but you could see the young fella watching for his cues.

Miley, pah. She's not the first, she won't be the last.
It's actually not that shocking, just cringe worthy.

People are talking though, which is the whole point.

Lazyjaney Tue 27-Aug-13 11:14:31

What Look says.

She is just the next in a long line of teen stars that haste jump to sdult stars who choose to do so by taking off their clothes and dancing as if they were on heat. It's a well trodden path.

She's 20, her choice, her responsibly.

Fakebook Tue 27-Aug-13 11:29:28

Oh I don't care who they were looking at or if they were choreographed, the picture made me laugh!

specialsubject Tue 27-Aug-13 11:49:36

wow. She actually sings worse than Rhianna. I didn't think it was possible.

soverylucky Tue 27-Aug-13 11:58:35

It is Robin Thicke who looks stupid. She is 20 and desperate for fame etc. He is old enough to know better. Idiot.

FrenchRuby Tue 27-Aug-13 12:13:35

As a married man and a father he shouldn't have performed with her in that way, he just came across as a Percy sleazy old man, I bet his wife was really happy about it all....
She just looked like a teenager trying too hard to be controversial. Can't stand either of them.

FrenchRuby Tue 27-Aug-13 12:13:51

*pervy even!!

ILetHimKeep20Quid Tue 27-Aug-13 12:20:59

It didn't look like much of what she subjected him to was choreographed!

ChubbyKitty Tue 27-Aug-13 12:29:28

She's only two years younger than me. I am mortified by what I just watchedhmm

I have friends who are 20, if they tried doing that I'd have to sit them in a dark room with a sugary tea.

Cringe cringe cringe.

Part of me feels sorry for Robin Thicke. He didn't look very comfortable to me..maybe that's just me though.

Such a shame that her and her managements' quest for continued fame is leading her down this path.

She is gurning terribly - I'm not sure if she wants to suggest she's supporting the Bolivian economy, or whether she actually is. Either way, desperately sad.

The question is, where does she go from here? Madonna's journey to sex kitten built up fairly slowly by today's standards. The only way Miley Cyrus can "top" this performance is by actually having sex on stage. It becomes boring very quickly and has shortened her shelf-life as a performer, rather than enhancing it. Such a shame as she has a good team of pop song writers and could have had a much longer career if she had been well managed.

frizzcat Tue 27-Aug-13 12:34:58

Agree LookAtTheTwain all been done before and I'm not sure what's so controversial - Is it because she's a Disney girl? So was Christina, she got down n dirty in er, well Dirty....

Justin Timberlake cupped Kylies gyrating arse at the Brits.

Kanye West performed at the Brit awards with 50 dancers all female, painted gold and in tiny gold bikinis - no controversy there?

Madonna simulated sex on her tours

Prince as some seriously sexual lyrics, that would make Robin Thicke look like a nun.

Britney - sexy school girl outfits, PVC catsuits, flesh coloured diamanté catsuit in toxic.

I don't think Miley is on drugs and I don't think the tongue thing is an indication of that. The band Kiss based their whole image on face paint and big tongues. I don't think this performance would have the same attention if Robin Thicke danced with a random dancer.

I'd imagine that Miley Cyrus life was very controlled by her parents and Disney, as she had to maintain an image. As with all children they grow up and rebel, they get their own ideas - yes her rebellion is extreme but so then was her upbringing under the spotlight.

It's a 20/21 yo girl pushing boundaries - we've all been there we've just not done it this way, and yes in years to come she'll probably be embarrassed or play it down - but tbh I look back at myself at that age and cringe too ...

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 12:36:42
Pantone363 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:38:55

It's like Yates on a Saturday night.

And why is she constantly wanking an imaginary cock?

Wouldntyouliketoknow Tue 27-Aug-13 12:42:21

Really don't understand the big deal. As others have said, this has been done a million times before. Has no one seen Rihanna perform?

Obviously it's still quite disgusting to see any woman behave like this on stage but I don't see why Miley Cyrus is being singled out.

AFishWithoutABicycle Tue 27-Aug-13 13:03:28

Hardboiled I think it's a bit patronising to call her a puppet. If she was a 20 something man would you still think she was so blameless? Is thicke just a product of his parents as well?
I agree its my responsibility to help my daughter become a well rounded informed woman of the future but young people are impressionable and miley is a 'role model'. Also i cant control what other children watch and reenact in the playground.

ubik Tue 27-Aug-13 13:08:48

Oh

I thought it was a trailer for a remake of Beetlejuice... confused

ubik Tue 27-Aug-13 13:15:44

WTF is 'twerking?'

What's wrong with her tongue?

Why does she keep scratching her vagina?

SoupDragon Tue 27-Aug-13 13:17:43

She is 20 and an adult.

EsTutMirLeid Tue 27-Aug-13 13:21:33

I think all parties involved made a huge mistake. This whole sexualisation of pop music is a relatively new thing and I avoid switching on music channels full stop when my child is in the room. I think it's awful that the entire industry has gone this way. Women allowing themselves to be exploited by the industry and men exploiting women in this way through sex, drugs and violence. I think the music and recording industry has a lot to answer for. There should be ratings on some of the videos that are produced and they should be banned from televising until after the watershed in the extreme cases.

But miley cyrus, robin thicke et all and the producers of the Xmas got what they wanted... Publicity!

EsTutMirLeid Tue 27-Aug-13 13:23:37

Vmas not Xmas - bloody autocorrect!

doorbellringer Tue 27-Aug-13 13:27:37

Beetlejuice ain't half creepy.
She's just another trying-too-hard-to-be-sexy teen star rebelling against some perceived industry constraints blah blah. Sad and a bit pathetic but not new.

MusicalEndorphins Tue 27-Aug-13 14:06:31

If it is for publicity it works though. I have never heard her sing before tonight, so I went to youtube and checked out some video's of her.
Not for us I'm afraid. We have fussy ears. smile
But I thought her cropped hair looked good on her.

SquidgyMummy Tue 27-Aug-13 14:28:39

I just had to verify my age on YouTube (43) so i could watch Miley's performance and Taylor Swift's reaction (especially to the bending over in front of Robin Thicke bit.

I don't remember being that shocked by Madonna during her Erotica era.
Miley's singing was dreadful and the tongue just looked offensive.

Yes Robin Thicke, Pharrel etc are sleazy old men. But I do think RT can sing and I liked Blurred Lines; it was catchy and after something like 6 albums, people have finally heard of RT.

The only person who seems to have survived the whole sexualisation thing intact is madonna, but she does have the hide of a rhino and is very strict with her own kids hypocrite

EsTutMirLeid Tue 27-Aug-13 14:39:17

I think the thing about madonna was that it was just her, she shocked, she caused outraged, she had videos banned in some countries, she was and is hugely successful. She was unique and you could if you wanted avoid her. This is now mainstream, they are all at it and women appear to have to behave like this in order to be successful. sad

zatyaballerina Tue 27-Aug-13 15:15:02

I feel sorry for her, how mortifying. The performance was so unprofessional and badly done. She's trying very hard to distance herself from her child star past, it's understandable that she want's to create her own identity and rid the false persona given to her by a management team, the problem is she doesn't know who she is and seems to be mimicking what she thinks will make her popular, edgy, cool... coming across as desperate, needy, fake and unstable.

LessMissAbs Tue 27-Aug-13 17:28:01

She's incredibly popular. Did anyone see the British suoerfan on tv who had covered his body with tattoos of her?

She's just making a fortune out of the porn image (I suspect thats what the sticking out the tongue is all about) and the idea of a young Disney princess gone bad. Her career would be over by now otherwise. But it obviously sells, and she's just slightly more blatant than some.

I really do find Beyonce's dancing more offensive, worse still as she is portrayed as quite prim and IMHO normalises it more. I dont especially get the impression Miley Cyrus is that vulnerable - I might be wrong but i doubt she's another Lindsay Lohan.

I think really she just represents the way societies attitudes are going ie her management have tapped into that. Outside the videos and performances, her behaviour isn't as bad as Taylor Swift who is with a different famous man every week, but presented diferently.

NorfolkIngWay Tue 27-Aug-13 17:51:49

Miley - tongue in !
You look like my Mums Labrador grin

Pudden Tue 27-Aug-13 19:04:03

foul and utterly cringe worthy; tongue bleeuurggh...all flabby and coated and she looks like she's is primed ready to fellate cocks

NewGirlInTown Tue 27-Aug-13 19:44:02

God, how tiresome. Does anyone else just want to tell her to just close her bloody legs and put her tongue back in her stupid mouth? The Least Sexy Thing Ever, Official.

ZadokTheBeast Tue 27-Aug-13 20:03:03

Fuck, that was DREADFUL.
What NewGirl said. Absolutely.

ILivebytheRiver Wed 28-Aug-13 15:06:36

Robin Thicke is a dick. Sorry I just had to get that out my systems!

My suspicion is that if it had been some "nameless" model it would have been deemed "acceptable". Like the hundreds of other superfit, semi-naked dancers that gyrate round most acts these days. I seem to remember Justin Timberlake simulating anally penetrating a bent-over female dancer on a similar stage a few years back.

All this horror just because it's Miley makes me feel uncomfortable. Yes, it doesn't seem the wisest thing to do but the witch hunt feels horrible. I'm feeling quite conflicted about it.

Do feel enormous sympathy for her having her young life played out in front of the camera. It's like all the rubber-necking at the mental disintegration of Amanda Byres.

AmberLeaf Wed 28-Aug-13 15:33:50

I don't get the outrage.

I mean, it is nothing new and Ive seen far far 'worse' from other artists/women in music videos.

It is getting all this publicity because it's her/the whole disney child turning into the total opposite thing.

Im far more disgusted at the sleaze that is robin thicke.

I feel incredibly sad for her and for my daughters who are growing up in a world where young women think this is necessary! I wrote my blog on it this week if anyone's interested in some in depth outrage!! diamondsanddaisychains.com/outrage-over-twerkgate/

TheCunnyFunt Thu 29-Aug-13 12:27:22
TeaAddict235 Thu 29-Aug-13 13:53:07

Miley C is to blame. Point. When Rihanna, Beyonce or any young lady of colour dances in a provocative way, the media come down like a tonne of bricks blaming them for indoctrinating young "innocent" girls.

Miley C is desperate to be seen as an adult, and in no way did RT encourage her to gryate in front of his groin like that. Miley had and still has a choice in how she conducts herself, there is no point looking around for someone guilty other than MC.

Arnie123 Thu 29-Aug-13 14:52:01

Although I am no fan of her performance I think it was an act of publicity genius. Look at all the media attention it has grabbed. PR is about as subtle as a sledgehammer nowadays and I think it will massively help her career

SarahAndFuck Thu 29-Aug-13 15:42:13

There's an interesting blog here by a man who hopes his son doesn't grow up to behave like Robin Thicke, who he thinks is unfairly getting away without criticism.

Absy Thu 29-Aug-13 16:06:12

When I first saw it, I did find it quite funny that Thickos looked so hugely uncomfortable with the whole twerking thing, like he was being treated as a sexual object (rather than a real person), given all the controversy over his blurred lines video. I also am surprised that people are surprised, IYSWIM - I have unfortunately seen the video for MC's song while at the gym a few times, and that's what she does pretty much the whole way through (twerking and weirdy tongue thing).

It's just depressing, this performance and Lady Gaga's as well, both being practically naked the whole way trhough, the sexual overtones etc. etc. and that's what seems to be required to be a successful female star. You don't get a quarter, a tenth, hell, ANY recognition if you're dressed normally, not naked. The fact that it's so common and barely noticed that so many music videos consist of naked/nearly naked woman/girl and fully clothed man just makes me want to cry.

hackmum Thu 29-Aug-13 17:20:23

I have fond memories of the 1970s. Watch an edition of Top of the Pops from, say, 1978, and the female singers are mostly wearing jeans and t-shirts and minimal make-up. I don't understand how we've progressed in terms of equality in other areas but in pop young women have to dress like lapdancers.

It's not the fact that her dance is sexual that is so abysmal. It's the fact that she's behaving in a sexually submissive way and to a much older man. It's kind of horrible and creepy, like some middle-aged bloke's sleazy fantasy.

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