About the All Inclusive holiday

(136 Posts)
teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 20:16:50

DP and I have recently returned from holiday. We chose not to go all inclusive as we like to have the option of getting out and about.

Most of the holidaymakers at our resort were All Inclusive. I have never seen people eat so much in all my life. Breakfast was a buffet and people were coming back with plates piled high with food (and made several trips too). DP and I had a slightly larger breakfast than normal as we were half board and a bigger breakfast meant we didn't want lunch. However, not only did a lot of these people have an enormous breakfast, but by 12 they were gorging into burger and chips from the pool bar, often followed by a mid afternoon 'snack' and an equally enormous dinner.

DP and I did work out that it would have worked out cheaper for us to be A-I, as we stayed in the resort of an evening and after a couple of cocktails it would have paid for itself - we would then have had a smaller breakfast along with lunch rather than just a bigger breakfast.

The one thing that struck me was how many of the people were clearly overweight and by quite a lot. I did start to wonder whether it is somewhat irresponsible of holiday companies to offer All Inclusive holidays which seemed to be 'stuff yourself silly at every opportunity' when as a nation we are struggling so much with the health implications of obesity.

This is probably more of a rant than an AIBU - I was just so shocked by what I saw!

Purple2012 Fri 23-Aug-13 20:19:51

I agree people eat because its free. We do all inclusive holidays but we don't do this. We tend to have a fairly decent breakfast and miss lunch then have our evening meal. We don't drink a lot either. I don't see the point in eating and drinking to excess when it makes you feel awful.

insummeritrains Fri 23-Aug-13 20:26:24

I agree. We've been all inclusive once and I have to say, I have never seen so many greedy people in my life - same thing, plates piled high and going back 2 or 3 times, so many drinks and then back to the pool bar a couple of hours later. It's almost like people are terrified of not getting their money's worth grin

I did notice a large amount of overweight people, in fact most were.

towerofjelly Fri 23-Aug-13 20:30:00

I noticed the same on a recent holiday. In fact I think I realise I have quite an issue with greed and felt really pissed off with the huge plate fulls. I am talking about you DH.

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 20:32:50

I've never been on an AI but my 2 work colleagues go every year, and being able to pile your plate high and eat and drink throughout the day is one of the main attractions for them. Horses for courses and all that, but it doesn't seem like a particularly healthy way to spend 2 weeks!

AtYourCervix Fri 23-Aug-13 20:33:16

It's not so much the piled high greed that got me. It was the piled high waste left on the plates. Like 6 hard boiled eggs left, or a plate with 6 pastries, and piles of fruit abandoned.

foslady Fri 23-Aug-13 20:34:42

Yep - same thing seen here, and the waste is awful. I find though that having all that food and drink available makes me eat less, and come home lighter - result! grin

NoComet Fri 23-Aug-13 20:34:58

Never noticed any particularly greedy behaviour in Majorca or Ibiza at all inclusive hotels.

We generally do 1/2 board as I like local stuff for lunch not pizza and chips. DD2 falls askeep waiting in resturants in an evening and you buy food she diesnt eat. Buffett then a stroll for a drink works much better.

AI is getting tempting as lunch out was very expensive last twice.

Figgyroll Fri 23-Aug-13 20:35:19

I have friends who always go away on All Inclusive holidays and boast about how much weight they've managed to put on in a fortnight - the most was one stone each. shock Goodness knows how much food they managed to put away.

DH and I recently had an All Inclusive holiday in a five star hotel in Majorca for a week (the first time we've tried it) and ate our usual amounts but admittedly did drink a bit more than we usually do (pina coladas, especially). I put a pound on, that's all. The food was amazing and plentiful but we witnessed people loading their plates then going back for more but leaving loads too - the waste was dreadful.

EndoplasmicReticulum Fri 23-Aug-13 20:36:11

Is it cause or is it effect? Are the people choosing all-inclusive because they are greedy people, or is the all-inclusive making them so?

My brother used to go on these, he would come back a stone heavier.

KittyLilith Fri 23-Aug-13 20:37:30

Why were you all so bothered about what other people were doing? They're not affecting you. I've been on an AI holiday and hadn't noticed it but I wasn't paying the blindest bit of notice ti other people.

BackforGood Fri 23-Aug-13 20:38:15

Maybe it's peculiar to certain resorts or hotels, as we've just got back from our first AI holiday, and didn't see much waste at all. Food was absolutely gorgeous, and I suspect we all ate more than we would have at home, but not to excess, and I certainly didn't see food being wasted.
It worked out SO MUCH cheaper than our previous self catering / going out for a meal in the evening holiday.

BestIsWest Fri 23-Aug-13 20:38:39

YANBU. What about the impact of All Inclusives on the local economy?

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 20:41:24

Kitty - the whole point of MN is to share your opinions on all sorts of things, otherwise it would be a very quiet and rather boring site to be on....

Altinkum Fri 23-Aug-13 20:41:25

I've been to AI once before, and we ended up in bed 5 out of the 7 days!!!

Never again.

However I do think YABU, not everyone gorges, people need to self limit their food and alcohol intake, that's their responsibility, people don't pile the food in their mouths.

Theirs temptation everywhere, it's all about self control, and if they can't do this, then that's no one else's fault but their own!!!

insummeritrains Fri 23-Aug-13 20:42:28

kitty I think it's human nature to watch what's going on around you and be curious about other people. plus I'm nosy

CaptainSweatPants Fri 23-Aug-13 20:45:44

Is it even possible to put a stone on in 2 weeks?!!

MrsBW Fri 23-Aug-13 20:46:26

Always go all inclusive. Never seen gorging of the type described in the OP...

Elsiequadrille Fri 23-Aug-13 20:48:03

We went on an all inclusive holiday many years ago (never again), it was the over-indulging (by others) on alcohol rather than anything else.

I remember attempting to take a scotch pancake from a pile of around 20+ and being informed it was a woman's breakfast (by said woman). She then proceeded to eat the lot. confused

Altinkum Fri 23-Aug-13 20:48:09

Captain I know a friend who puts on a stone to 2 stone in a week, if she gorges on food and alcohol, she looses it a week later, most of it is water retention however.

LeGavrOrf Fri 23-Aug-13 20:48:29

Oh I don't know.

I went AI in December and didn't really notice this behaviour. Mind you the hotel I went to only had a buffet in the morning, for lunch and evening it was waiter service with a menu. So you can't really pile your plates up like a pig.

I liked it not because of the cost issue (I didn't really eat that much anyway because of the heat) but just for the convenience of just having what you wanted for food and drink (cocktails especially) without having to fiddle around with cash or signing it to the room and having to check etc.

Mind you the hotel we went to had only a couple of British guests, the vast majority were Scandinavian so perhaps they behave differently. I think it is revolting to pile your plate high just because you can.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 20:49:41

I should have made it clear in my OP that I know not everyone does this - there were people eating sensible amounts. Maybe I noticed it more because I am constantly teaching children about how to be healthy.

Best is West - you are so right about the local economy. I remember as a child going on holiday and always going to a range of restaurants in the evening and them all being packed. On this holiday, the few restaurants in our part of the resort were deserted, including the newsagents and supermarkets.

ILiveInAPineappleCoveredInSnow Fri 23-Aug-13 20:53:30

We went on an AI cruise this summer. We were away 15 nights, and DH put on 3lbs, DS nothing, and me 6lbs (but I am also 29 weeks pregnant, so I have an excuse!).

I didn't see anyone gorging themselves, but I wonder if that's because of the environment, where it's posh restaurant type thing. We usually had toast, cereal, fruit or pancakes for breakfast and only had a cooked breakfast a couple of times, and at lunch had a sandwich, salad or soup, and then 3 (out of a possible 6!!!) courses at dinner which was an indulgence! We also had cake and coffee in the afternoon a few times, and twice we stayed up for the supper club at midnight but I don't think that's a particularly overindulgent holiday. Most people were pretty similar to us.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 20:54:59

Yes! Perfect. There should be legislation to stop people indulging themselves on holiday. People should be forced to eat porridge for breakfast and lettuce leaves for lunch and be limited to their daily points allowance for alcohol and there should be legislation in place to force this to happen. Why not throw in an enforced march or two to get the fatties moving.

It will do wonders for the economies of struggling countries because so many more people will want to go on holiday if legislation is brought in restricting the amount fatties can eat. Because so many more thin people will be able to go on holiday.

a) You didn't pay for all inclusive. Tough titties if you regretted it and felt a twinge of jealousy looking at all the other people with their free food and drink.
b) They were doing something called enjoying their holiday. You might want to try it next time instead of sitting monitoring everybody else's food and drink intake and working yourself up in to such a steaming fit of indignation you think legislation is an appropriate response to other people enjoying themselves on holiday.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 20:56:54

Yep that's me! We go all in as it does work out cheaper for us lot but if we want to eat out we do.

I will go back for seconds especially for desert because I'm on holiday so if I want to be a greedy bitch I will!

Jesus , who gives a fuck what other random strangers eat on holiday. You should be enjoying your holiday rather than judging what people have on there plate. As long as its all eaten and not wasted who cares?

none of us are over weight either, well dh has put weight on this year due to a footie injury but if we were why do you give a flying toss! We work hard all year so holidays are for indulgence.

Are you sure you were not just jealous that people were enjoying them selfs and you were just sat pissed off as you had to pay for extras?? Green eyed monster me thinks ...

LtEveDallas Fri 23-Aug-13 20:57:42

We go AI every year. Neither DH or I ever put weight on, and this year I think DD has probably lost weight as she was generally too busy to eat!

I don't care what other people eat. Maybe they just have large appetites OP, or maybe you were just at a particularly downmarket resort.

I do care about waste and have been annoyed watching people take large helpings of unfamiliar food and then wasting it when they realise they don't like it. I take very small helpings of 'new' dishes as I am keen to try new foods, but aware that there are a lot of things I don't really like.

But on holiday I certainly don't try to eat particularly healthily, nor do I force DD to. In fact I positively encourage her to have a pudding after every meal, or an ice cream and hour after dinner. It's a holiday, it's nice to spoil yourself once in a while. I save the healthy eating for the other 50 weeks of the year.

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 20:58:17

You sound most indignant there SeaSick <sniggers>

I've definitely seen this behaviour in an AI. I actually saw one man complain that the ice cream bowls weren't big enough as they only held 6 scoops; there were 4 flavours of ice cream and he wanted 2 scoops of each.

It is strange though how much some people over eat just because it's there in front of them.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 20:59:25

Ha ha cross posted with seasick!

EndoplasmicReticulum Fri 23-Aug-13 21:02:34

My brother does manage a stone in 2 weeks, as he has a very busy job (chef) and spends so long cooking for other people he forgets to eat himself. Put him on a sunlounger for 2 weeks with unlimited food cooked by other people, plus lots and lots of beer, and yes it's possible.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:03:54

I would have complain too!! I would wznt 6 scoops too!!

I have been know to take a whole French stick back to table to slice and share out, which all ways gets a 'omg youve took a whole fucking french stick' glance of one of food police

grin

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 21:05:22

Wow, get you

LeGavrOrf Fri 23-Aug-13 21:07:22

I love being a nosy baggage on holiday and watching what other people get up to. Surely that's what mirrored sunglasses were invited for. Watching other people and judging them whilst pretending to read a book from the comfort of a sun lounger. grin

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:07:32

down market resort yep as that's clearly where all the fat greedy working class people go!

I went St kitts and there were some large Americans there ... That certainly wasn't 'down market ' hmm

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 21:10:14

Seasick - not quite sure where I mentioned about there being legislation. I actually don't think there should be only healthy foods - everything in moderation. I am by no means a health freak but I was shocked by the sheer amount some people piled on their plates.

I get that people indulge on holidays - that is what it is all about - and I am certainly not referring to people who treated themselves to a 3 course meal each evening - this is just about the greed that some of the people exhibited.

I am not jealous of the people who went AI - we had everything we wanted - we chose not to go AI as we weren't sure what to expect. It wasn't a down market resort either - not that that has anything to do with it.

holidaybug Fri 23-Aug-13 21:11:31

YAB slightly U. We like AI sometimes as it's just easier with a youngish DS. We don't have to worry about where we are eating out and the places where we go AI you wouldn't normally eat out anyway (quieter parts of Egypt for example).

What people eat is their own business IMO but I don't like the idea of waste i.e. overloading the plates so tons ends up in the bin.

sparklingstars Fri 23-Aug-13 21:11:36

We went AI when we went to Turkey, we had a big breakfast but only went up once except for when getting a coffee after we'd eaten and then no lunch because it was too hot and then an average sized dinner. We had lots of drinks though - iced coffee whenever we wanted during the day and one glass of wine with dinner. Some people seemed to go completely mad and have three cooked meals a day.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 21:14:05

Acer I was going to comment on exactly the same quote! I think the whole subtext of this entire thread is that fat greedy working class people go on holiday and stay in their resorts not going to see anything cultural or local.

They probably even paid for their holidays with their benefits. It's tax payers cash paying for them to stuff their faces. Disgraceful.

Incidentally I spent this summer on the Loire. I wonder if the OP would have got quite as worked up over the middle class pensioners I saw out there swilling back vats of wine and fatty food every night?

I suppose that's okay because their food was swimming in Lardons and not Lard.

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 21:15:54

I don't see anyone getting worked up on this thread apart from you SeaSick

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 21:19:14

Actually, the resort was mostly made up of middle class pensioners. This has nothing to do with class - I don't give a flying fig how much money people do or don't have.

mirry2 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:21:31

yes, seasicksal, I agree with you.

Jan49 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:22:26

I actually notice this in the UK in B & B's when we're on holiday. I wonder how people who probably have a quick bowl of cereal or slice of toast on a normal day suddenly manage to eat cereal, toast and a 'cooked' breakfast and more when they're on holiday. We always say no to the cooked breakfast but it feels like we're the odd ones out.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:22:38

Teacher there just seemed to be a underlying tone to your post. Maybe it's because I'm one of those two week greedy girls!!

I can't help it! It's the pastry stations.. they do me in!

WorraLiberty Fri 23-Aug-13 21:23:41

I did start to wonder whether it is somewhat irresponsible of holiday companies to offer All Inclusive holidays which seemed to be 'stuff yourself silly at every opportunity' when as a nation we are struggling so much with the health implications of obesity.

No. It's irresponsible of the holiday makers to stuff their own bodies silly and to allow their kids to do the same.

You can't blame a holiday company for how much people choose to eat, any more than you can blame a supermarket.

If me, DH and our 2 DC went on an all inclusive holiday, we would doubtless save money when you take everything into consideration.

But none of us would be stuffing ourselves silly.

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 21:25:30

I don't see any underlying tone at all

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 21:29:31

You're right, it isn't really the holiday company's responsibility, but I still think there may be a link between things such as this and the issues some people have with food. Maybe just to do with a culture of doing things to excess.

I've also never taken children on holiday so have no idea how it works out with children (our resort didn't allow children so wasn't something I wash thinking about).

I've wondered about going AI but as we don't drink alcohol (or very little anyway) and tend to go HB and just miss lunch, I'm not sure whether it would be worth it.

FondantNancy Fri 23-Aug-13 21:31:06

"It's not so much the piled high greed that got me. It was the piled high waste left on the plates. Like 6 hard boiled eggs left, or a plate with 6 pastries, and piles of fruit abandoned."

shock That stuns me. How stupid are these people? I don't give a shit what other people eat on holiday but that is disgraceful!

WorraLiberty Fri 23-Aug-13 21:32:43

To be honest I don't know if there is a link

If these people were overweight then it's quite probable that they regularly eat too much.

Unless they go on more holidays than Judith Chalmers

insummeritrains Fri 23-Aug-13 21:35:15

Seasick, I think you doth protest too much! Some people think it's ok to pile and pile your plate till you're fit to burst and other's think it's piggy behaviour. Get over it.

NotAsTired Fri 23-Aug-13 21:37:18

Just came back from A-I holiday. First time. It was great. I was one of those that had 3 good meals a day inc double helpings of pudding. Yes, people's plates were piled high but also a lot of people were in the pool or in the sea all day, burning up the calories and quite a few were in the gym everyday. There were only a few people who were really obese.

Out of us four adults that travelled together, one lost weight, I maintained and two others put on 2 lbs only. This is despite eating more than usual.

theoriginalandbestrookie Fri 23-Aug-13 21:38:01

Figgyroll what was the name of your hotel? I have never really fancied AI, but if it includes pina coladas .......

cantspel Fri 23-Aug-13 21:39:13

It is better to pay for AI and stuff yourself then to pay for bed and breakfast but nick extra rolls and cold meats to make sandwiches for lunch as they are too tight to pay for one.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Fri 23-Aug-13 21:40:47

Perfect MN thread......... grin

Judgey ( but OK as its fatties, not benefit claimants or nurses)

With a side order of implied snobbery.....smile

You go, OP !!

34DD Fri 23-Aug-13 21:41:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Firsttimemummy33 Fri 23-Aug-13 21:44:33

I put on half a stone in a week of all inclusive and that was without alcohol because the wine came out of a tap and was rank! I never eat 3 meals a day at home but couldn't resist the buffet. It was the same food for lunch and dinner every day and by the end of the week the smell made me nauseous. Lovely puddings though!

littlemisswise Fri 23-Aug-13 21:53:13

We've never been AI because it would work out more expensive for us. We like to support the local businesses and restaurants and not just line the pockets of the hotels and tour operators. We aren't big drinkers, wouldn't drink throughout the day anyway, if it was free or not. We just drink water which was 80c for 8l in Majorca recently.

My parents went AI to Cape Verde, my mum commented on the amount of food that was wasted. She said people would just take piles and piles and leave it untouched, especially fruit.

VelvetSpoon Fri 23-Aug-13 21:53:48

There's something a bit mean-spirited about this thread.

I have been on a AI holiday, eating 3 decent meals a day. But lots of fruit, veg included in that.

After a week I had put on a pound.

I didn't see people overindulging or gorging on food (what an unpleasant term that is) just eating well. It was a holiday after all!

Trills Fri 23-Aug-13 21:55:35

YABU rather silly.

What exactly is it that you have a problem with? Overweight people eating a lot of food?

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 22:00:21

No - the OP explains what she doesn't like upthread, and others have agreed that greed and the resultant waste are really not that nice to witness.

Trills Fri 23-Aug-13 22:01:09

We go AI because we do drink throughout the day.

I don't want to buy a big bottle of water and drink warm water. I want a nice (small) cold glass of beer, which I finish, then go and get a cold glass of sprite, and finish it, then have a cold glass of something else.

As LeGavrOrf said - I don't want to bother paying money or signing to the room every time I want a drink. I don't want to have to think about it. I just want another cold drink.

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 22:07:16

That's fine - why wouldn't it be?! That's not the point of the thread though - it's about people who pile their plates high to the point of greed, just because they can, and then leave it, and whether, given the levels of obesity in the UK compared to the rest of Europe, if this is something that should be encouraged.

Everyone pigs out a bit on holiday, but piling your plate high and leaving food and letting it go to waste is sad

SirChenjin Fri 23-Aug-13 22:08:00

Baaad grammar there! blush

cantspel Fri 23-Aug-13 22:08:04

I have been to some wonderful AI hotels. Fresh ice cold fruit served to on your sunbed on the beach. Help yourself fridges and freezers dotted around the resort full of soft drinks, cold water, beer and ice lollies.

HeffalumpTheFlump Fri 23-Aug-13 22:08:42

I agree about the wasted food, but the rest yabu.

Those people have paid good money to have an all inclusive holiday where they can pig out if they want to. Not having to worry about finding food away from the resort is just so much easier. Personally I love ai as i love having all the different choices of food. I definitely eat more on holiday than at home, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. 99% of the time I have a healthy, balanced diet, so what does it matter if for one week out of a year I overindulge? I would take small plates of food at a time and go back a few times so that I didn't take more than I could eat though.

Trills Fri 23-Aug-13 22:09:34

Actually the thread was not about people leaving food, it was about people eating lots of food.

Someone else made the much more reasonable point that wasting food is horrible, but the OP did not mention waste, only greed.

Backtobedlam Fri 23-Aug-13 22:09:47

So what if you see people eating loads and putting on weight? They are on holiday, its 1/2 weeks out of the whole year-how do you know they don't eat healthily the rest of the year? We went AI earlier this year and it was great...the kids could try lots of new foods at the buffets without having to waste an entire meal if they didn't like, and we also had a la carte restaurants for more formal dining. I ate loads more than normal as it was in front of me without cooking, washing up and without having to feel guilty about cost. You may be surprised to hear I'm actually quite slim as hardly have chance to grab a sandwich at home!

BlingBang Fri 23-Aug-13 22:11:57

The last AI I went to recently the majority were very fit and slim. 1 or 2 weeks or AI isn't goings to turn folk obese.

littlemisswise Fri 23-Aug-13 22:13:17

I didn't drink any warm water when I was on holiday, either Trills. We go SC so we had a fridge, the water we drank was cold.

Each to their own. I dislike AI holidays because they don't support the local economies.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 22:18:54

Sirchen the original post wasn't about piling food high then leaving it... You've just made that up to make it sound better.

cantspel Fri 23-Aug-13 22:18:58

A1 hotels offer jobs, they buy food in bulk from local suppliers and they often have their own shopping malls giving local business a captive audience of shoppers.

cantspel Fri 23-Aug-13 22:22:05

Where as if you go sc in majorcia you will be doing your food shop in a supermarket like lidl or carflor and you might as well be buying from tesco.

littlemisswise Fri 23-Aug-13 22:30:38

We don't do any shopping in a supermarket like Lidl or Carfour in Majorca!

cantspel Fri 23-Aug-13 22:31:46

You might not but plenty do and i have myself.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 22:33:07

insummertrains I happen to have this funny idea that what other people eat is their own business.

Novel, I know, but for some reason I can't manage to pretend to give a shit whether other people are stuffing their faces or eating one lettuce leaf. It's none of my business and I really don't understand where other people get off thinking that it's theirs.

I may have a slight vested interest because I went on holiday last year taking the anti-depressant (and appetite stimulant) Mirtrazapine and couldn't stop eating for a moment. I'm sure a few people gave me the cats bum face when I went for my third portion.

Now I'm on Venlafaxine instead (which is an appetite suppressant) and I can barely bring myself to eat a few lettuce leaves and a bit of chicken without a massive effort. And this year I had all the tutting from people who thought that I was being a spoilsport and ungrateful.

I do wish people would fuck off watching and judging what people eat and what shape they are. I think our society would be a much healthier and happier place.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 22:33:42

It was obvious that a lot of the people did not just behave like this on holiday. Many were not just overweight, they were obese. It was something I have not witnessed before (very little experience of holidays). There wasn't a lot of waste, it all got eaten. As I've mentioned earlier, maybe part of the reason I noticed it was because of the some of the stuff I teach.

By the way, in case I didn't make it clear, I am well aware that a lot of people go on AI holidays and eat more than normal (who doesn't on holiday?) - there was just something about the excessive amount that shocked me. It does concern me what will happen in a few years if something drastic isn't done to change some people's attitudes towards food.

I've been all-inclusive twice. I will only go if the activity outweighs the greed grin Skiing, diving and the like mean that the piles of crap I eat get used up and I don't come back heavier.

The problem for me, because I don't really care if people want to pig out on their own holiday is that they are shit for the locals and small businesses. If I go to Belize, I want the Belizians, Belizoids, Belizeans to make the cash.

acer12 Fri 23-Aug-13 22:42:11

Teacher an honest question.. Would it have bothered you so much if the people that had there plates piled high were slim and not over weight?

BestIsWest Fri 23-Aug-13 22:44:38

I have just been self catering for two weeks (Portugal). Ate out most evenings. I put on eight pounds. Gah. And it took me 4 weeks to lose 4 pounds before I went.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 22:54:02

Why do people's attitudes towards food need changing? You would have to be a complete imbecile not to have noticed the media saturation, not to mention the diet industries, that being fat is no good for you.

But a hell of a lot of people would rather have a shorter life and eat nice food, get pissed and smoke fags. If it was just a matter of educating people nobody would smoke, drink or eat to excess. But people do because they are adults making and informed choice that they want to and they have decided that the risks are ones they are prepared to take for the benefits they feel they get from eating, drinking and smoking.

Incidentally in many cases they save the treasury an awful lot of money by dying younger and needing less care. Not to mention leaving a full estate not eaten away by care fees to their mortgage laden offspring.

At the end of the day you can't blame it on holiday companies or be outraged. People have been dying of greed since our sovereigns used to die from surfeits of peaches and lampreys.

Greed is part of the human condition. If people choose to do it then it's their choice. They don't need somebody bossing them about telling them that they should or shouldn't do it - we've had plenty of that and people in possession of all the information still decide that they want to eat another eclair.

revealall Fri 23-Aug-13 22:57:02

I agree with the Op. People do take more than they need if it's offered whether it's their holiday or just going round to a mates BBQ.
Free bars are the worse. I've seen people go crazy drinking themselves stupid forgetting their glass and just getting more - any party host will have seen the same I think when they come to clear up.
It's not so much a problem for the individuals but I can see the larger implications for countries that host AI holidays.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:01:59

Acer - I'm not sure. I would have noticed it (I'm a nosy parker) and thought 'what a disgusting amount of food' although I'm not sure it would have played on my mind so much. By the way, I don't care what people look like, but I am genuinely concerned about some people's health.

Coconutty Fri 23-Aug-13 23:07:23

I love all inclusive, ultimate lazy holiday.

None of us put on any weight this year in Cape Verde and the food was amazing. Ate loads, we were on holiday FFS.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:14:12

There is a difference between eating loads because you're on holiday and eating to utter excess. I ate more than usual e.g. having seconds, desserts that I wouldn't normally have. This was different. I remember seeing one man with an enormous stack and my initial thought was that he had also got it for his wife - but this was just his.

Xmasbaby11 Fri 23-Aug-13 23:14:42

It's the same at all-you-can-eat buffets. They do encourage people to eat more. And it's generally low-quality food anyway. I try not to stuff myself at buffets, but surely on holiday, people eat what they want - it's only 1-2 weeks!

What you say is true, but I don't know why it bothers you!

HeffalumpTheFlump Fri 23-Aug-13 23:17:23

I don't get why it bothers you so much though op. No one is asking you to eat that much! What difference does it make to you what other people choose to eat?

LayMizzRarb Fri 23-Aug-13 23:22:40

Seasicksal
I do wish people would fuck off watching and judging what people eat and what shape they are. I think our society would be a much healthier and happier place
Thank you putting it so beautifully. You are soooo right.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 23:24:51

teacherandguideleader after reading your later posts I realize that you are genuinely concerned for other people.

But in all honesty people have the right to be informed, which I think they are, but after they are informed to carry on doing whatever the fuck they want.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:26:23

I wasn't actually that bothered by it, it was just a musing I had while on holiday - does the rise of the AI holiday go hand in hand with a culture where we are increasingly doing things to excess. However, posting on here about my musing has riled me up (think it was the comments about me trying to have a dig at certain social classes that did it)...

Mumoftwoyoungkids Fri 23-Aug-13 23:26:42

We've been on loads of AI holidays. IME what people eat/drink is a bit like a cosine graph. First few days - stuff their faces. After that they realise that there is always more food and drink so they can just eat what they want. Then the eating slows down. By mid holiday it hits a minimum before revving up again before the last "blowout" meal.

From a combination of tan and food consumption I can usually peg where people are on their holiday.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 23-Aug-13 23:27:46

I have only been on one all inclusive holiday

Never again the greed of many of those staying in the hotel made me feel ill they just ate and ate. Gluttony is horrible to witness not something that should be celebrated

HeffalumpTheFlump Fri 23-Aug-13 23:28:01

At the end of the day if your issue is the effects of obesity on our healthcare systems, then the choices people make on a week or two holiday is really not the problem. It is the day to day choices people make about their diet and exercise for the rest of the year.

It's slightly ludicrous to think that stopping ai holidays would do anything to beat obesity. Or that all inclusive has any real effect on the obesity epidemic at all!

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:29:07

Seasick - a close friend of mine is a paramedic - a patient nearly died recently because they could not fit him in the ambulance and they had to wait for the special one. It is for reasons like that that I give a damn and just don't get why some people don't.

Haggischucker Fri 23-Aug-13 23:31:27

Think it depends where you go. We always go 5* or 4* all inclusive as calculated (on uk prices) that it can cost up to £100 a day for food and drink. This is a standard breakfast, salad lunch with wine, cocktails in afternoon, 3 course meal and few drinks after.

The only time I have came across what the OP is describing was when we went to costa brava to a 3* as it was cheaper to go there and get a train to Barcelona than a Barcelona mini break.

If you want amazing all inclusive look towards the Thomson couples hotels or the karisima hotels which are gourmet all inclusive, amazing! smile

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:32:27

Heffalump - in reality I know that AI holidays haven't caused it, and in the great scheme of things 2 weeks probably won't make much difference. However, I remember when I was younger, I never really heard of people going on AI, and if they did it always seemed really expensive and to luxury places. It seems to be different now (I may have got this wrong) and whenever I hear of someone going AI it seems to be all about being able to eat and drink as much as you can - I think we have a culture now where this is seen as normal.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:35:21

Haggis - this was one of those amazing AI hotels! I have to say, the food quality was fantastic.

scrazy Fri 23-Aug-13 23:37:35

I would never do it again. I feel sick at the international buffet. It depends what you pay, friends of mine are going AI at a very expensive resort without a buffet in sight. I could stomach that.

HeffalumpTheFlump Fri 23-Aug-13 23:38:40

I don't think the two things are necessarily related to be honest. I think that it just makes better economical sense to go ai these days, otherwise spending money can really get out of control on food and drinks. I think plenty of people will eat and drink more on a holiday, but this doesn't mean they are all making poor choices about diet and exercise at home.

However, if you are greedy and eat too much, you will do it at home or on holiday, whether you go ai or not!

It's about the hotel chains making as much money as possible. Not about people's choices.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 23:42:25

teacherandguideleader someone like that actually has an eating disorder. Just like somebody has anorexia.

People who get that huge don't get that huge because they like pigging out on all inclusive holidays. They get huge because of biological, psychological, emotional and physical factors.

Despite the fact that we have huge amounts of calories cheaply available people who die in the manner you describe are still really few and far between.

There is a massive difference between dying because of chronic over eating and being fat because you eat loads on holiday and you like watching telly and playing on the X-Box more than you like playing tennis.

SeaSickSal Fri 23-Aug-13 23:44:40

And teacherandguideleader. Your name does give away quite a bit. Just accept that you can't boss everybody around all the time. And then breathe.

And then go an set a good example to the children that you obviously do. You do a hell of a lot more to encourage healthy attitudes than a lot of other people do, so relax and be happy with that. And enjoy your next holiday without worrying.

TylerHopkins Fri 23-Aug-13 23:47:20

I do wish people would fuck off watching and judging what people eat and what shape they are. I think our society would be a much healthier and happier place

Someone needs to keep a look out, some people need educating on eating habits and nutrition. More and more people are being diagnosed with heart disease and diabetes on a daily basis. What the hell though eh, as long as they're having a good time it's no-ones business.

I thought that SeaSick. You find it hard because you give good lessons to your DC. I do too. I just don't care what people who aren't my DC are eating. I think you are probably used to being listened to, and being 'right'. No problem with that because I am very bossy but these people are on holiday.

I do have a little mental image of your skinny family sitting on holiday eating dry toast with cat's bum mouths. I'm sure it wasn't like that.

ourlittlestreet Fri 23-Aug-13 23:48:56

We have just come back from an AI holiday which was mostly upper middle class (we won it) lots of stuffing but not much waste.

Having said that their AI meant no soft drinks included or alcohol and only four of the evening meals were included. It cost a crazy five grand for three of us for seven days so maybe they were just trying to get their moneys worth!

PosyNarker Fri 23-Aug-13 23:55:13

I went AI this year but a Lakes and Mountains holiday. What it meant for us was a fab breakfast, packed lunch ready, beer and cake when we returned from a walk and no money spent on evening drinks. I loved it, but we were primarily their hillwalking so obvs didn't gain weight and we did maybe partake a bit more of the local schnapps of an evening than we would have otherwise hmm

I was quite shocked by the people who just sat in our hotel munching in the afternoon because to be frank it wan 't that brilliant a hotel. Wouldn't like it in a foodie area either. There were people all inclusive I'm our hotel when we were in Sorrento and I really thought they were missing out.

teacherandguideleader Fri 23-Aug-13 23:56:47

MrsTerryPratchett - I don't have a family and I hate dry toast smile

BrokenSunglasses Sat 24-Aug-13 00:11:48

I've done a few AI holidays, and Ill be honest and say I do tend to eat more on an AI holiday than I would at home.

On days we spend by the pool or on the beach, lunch breaks up the day, and we eat later in the evening than we normally would at home. I don't even eat breakfast at home, but I always do on holiday, so that's one extra meal a day. None of us have ever put on extra weight because of it though as we do a lot more walking and swimming too.

I like AIs as I have one fussy child and a fussy husband, and it's easier to encourage them to try new things when I don't have to cook it myself take a chance, plus there's always something they will like. It does mean we end up wasting a few things, but I can live with that.

On holiday in Cyprus last year, one of the locals we met told us that local businesses were struggling because of newer hotels that provide absolutely everything for their guests, so it does have that downside.

nannynewo Sat 24-Aug-13 00:29:48

Never been on an AI holiday myself but can see the attraction. I guess a person like me (average weight, neither fat nor skinny) going on an AI holiday, I would just think 'what the hec, I am paying' so would make the most of it as I like to treat myself whilst on holiday. I don't really see the problem tbh. A holiday is meant to be enjoyed whether that be eating lots of nice unhealthy foods then so be it.

You've ruined it for me, OP. Very mean.

VestaCurry Sat 24-Aug-13 00:55:48

Never been AI, but would as long as I could check no cheap spirits going in cocktails. Nothing worse than a shite vodka martini.

SeaSickSal Sat 24-Aug-13 04:07:35

TylerHopkins.

Someone needs to keep a look out, some people need educating on eating habits and nutrition. More and more people are being diagnosed with heart disease and diabetes on a daily basis. What the hell though eh, as long as they're having a good time it's no-ones business.

Why? Why does everyone apart from you need someone to 'keep a look out'? Are you completely unable to comprehend the fact that other people can make educated decisions about what they put in their bodies without needing your total approval?

Are you only prepared to validate the decision of

No matter how much control you or any of us try to exert we will all die in the end.

And I find it absolutely bonkers that people have hissy fits

GertBySea Sat 24-Aug-13 04:25:07

I really think it's up to the individual whether they let themselves get fat or not and whether a holiday pig-out has anything to do with them being lardy. .

I don't think that holiday companies can be held responsible for people's dietary health (aside from hopefully choosing resorts with good standards of cleanliness in the kitchens). I don't overreat at AI resorts, but I certainly drink money's worth at the pool bar. Should the holiday companies stop people having a few drinks on holiday too? Where would it all end...

insummeritrains Sat 24-Aug-13 07:41:07

I think this thread is in danger of becoming a bigger vs thin debate, with people becoming offended by all the wrong reasons.

OP has explained her reasoning well but there are people who are determined that she is having a go at overweight and working class confused people?!

There was a very valid point made about this type of gluttony/excess becoming the norm in our society - I agree.
Another point made about people being the same at bbq's or a free bar - I've seen this so many times. Also when something is being given away free and there is a huge queue to get one, even if its something that people wouldn't usually eat/use, just because its free. It makes me hugely uncomfortable as its such greedy behaviour!!

DigestivesAndPhiladelphia Sat 24-Aug-13 07:43:29

People who eat massive amounts at home are likely to do the same on holiday. People who eat healthily at home are unlikely to suddenly binge on sausages, cake and beer just because it is available.

Last time we went all inclusive, I lost 5lb in two weeks without trying. I was delighted as I had a stone of 'baby weight' hanging around that I hadn't been able to shift. I think it was because, given a choice, fresh salads, fruits & grilled fish and very appealing options. At home, I cook for the family (salad doesn't go down well with our fussy toddler) so I end up eating more pizza & pasta which can be fattening.

Also, at a salad bar, it's lovely to pick a selection of five different salads to try, whereas at home, I would be unlikely to make five different types & dressings. I found that having food constantly available also made it easier to eat small portions because you are not eating to last until the next meal time (all inclusives usually have snack bars that are open between meals).

Themarriedwoman Sat 24-Aug-13 08:01:45

Isn't the food pretty dire though?
I can't imagine eating that badly for any length of time, I am a greedy fucker at the best of times, but I do like good, fresh food, not lukewarm processed crap.

LtEveDallas Sat 24-Aug-13 08:30:25

It depends where you go themarriedwoman. We've been quite lucky in general, and it helps really that food isn't a huge part of our holiday. For some people I expect it is, and I can see the appeal of eating gourmet foods. We had one holiday in Mexico where the food was bloody amazing, filet mignon, sushi, teppenyaki and so on, but it came at a price! We've also had a holiday where the food was dire (morocco) but luckily everything else about the hotel was great, so it didn't spoil our experience.

TripAdviser makes me laugh though. Brits posting about their holiday in a Muslim country and complaining about the lack of pork sausages and bacon at breakfast - I always wonder if these people really have a British fry up every morning at home, and if not, why does it become such and issue when you can't get it abroad? grin

Icedink Sat 24-Aug-13 08:59:32

Yanbu! We went AI this year because it worked out cheaper and theres more chance of finding something dcs will eat at a buffet but I was shocked at the people piling up plates of cakes and fruit on their tables and leaving them half eaten. There was one family in particular who would do this at every meal and try a bit of each, so rude and wasteful!

BlingBang Sat 24-Aug-13 10:55:07

We went AI o the Carribean, the food was really good and I didn't see folk stuffing themselves, plus there was loads of activities. Most people were really fit and sporty looking - the gym and tennis courts were well used. Maybe there are AI and AI - the class and cost can make a huge difference in who goes to which. Ours was nothing special or super duper though.

Mumsyblouse Sat 24-Aug-13 11:16:25

I think I would like an AI holiday as I find cooking on holiday a pain but eating out expensive (more than once a day).

But- it is true unfortunately that I've just got back from holiday and that the locals were all slim and lovely looking and once you heard a British accent, it would be the largest people around. I count myself in that, our family is a little porky. We are so much larger than in other countries we just don't notice it now- overweight is really normal. Fine if you don't mind, but I do, I don't like being big overweight family all the time.

As to whether some people consuming large amounts on AI contributes to this, not really, it's only two weeks and it won't be that which makes them overweight but it is symptomatic of a dysfunctional excessive relationship with food and often crappy food which is not the same in other cultures.

That said, I'd still get my money's worth from the buffet, hence why I am overweight in everyday life not just on holiday.

specialsubject Sat 24-Aug-13 11:32:00

the issue seems not to be eating loads, but WASTING loads. Anyone who wastes food is disgusting. Especially in this environment when you can go back for more if still hungry.

AI is always terrible for localities but that's another issue.

ColinButterfly Sat 24-Aug-13 11:51:28

I've just been to an AI in Ibiza. I didn't see much of this there. After the 2nd day, chips lose their appeal I suppose. EVERYONE in the hotel was slim, it was quite weird. The existence of AI is sad for the local economy but when it's so expensive to drink and eat out and about and the euro is crap, you can see the appeal. Some of the clubs were charging €15 for a spirit (large measures) and mixer and some of them are €40 to get in. So the hotel was full of people getting tanked before they left.

I did put on a few pounds but that's not because I gorged on LOADS in particular but substituting my usual healthy cereal for pain au chocolat and lunchtime salad for chips and pasta added to alcohol consumption will do that. But I go on holiday to enjoy myself and let go. Then I have a health kick when I get home - and I'm back to my normal weight.

Jengnr Sat 24-Aug-13 11:54:51

Oh ffs, who cares?

You sound horrendously judgemental. Not everyone can be as perfect as you after all.

Viviennemary Sat 24-Aug-13 11:56:04

We went on holiday not long ago to an all inclusive but didn't go all inclusive for the same reasons as you. I didn't think there were more overweight people than usual. But I know I would have eaten more if I was all inclusive so glad I wasn't in a way though the food did look nice! We did have breakfast included and there wasn't much wastage there. But I was surprised that ice creams through the day were only free for children.

BuskersCat Sat 24-Aug-13 11:58:56

If we go AI I gorge, it's free, so get my monies worth. I also drink myself into oblivion, again it's free!

SarahBumBarer Sat 24-Aug-13 12:01:49

Many of the AI hotels are serving excellent food. We go to a particular chain and they do the most amazing fresh salads with all kinds of oils and dressings and spices in addition to fabulous fresh fish and meats and the usual stews/tagines/pastas etc. We always go a few stars higher with AI than we would with a SC holiday because you are going to be spending a lot more time in (and eating in) resort with an AI holiday than we would with a SC holiday. We do AI because we have young DC and it just comes in to its own in terms of budgeting and not worrying about getting extra drinks/ice-creams/snacks.

We undoubtedly eat too much on AI holidays (pancakes with chocolate sauce for breakfast) and the salads are not healthy [but still delish] when they constitute an extra salad course rather than a meal on their own grin but we are on holiday and the food (nice hotel remember) is part of the treat.

But it is true that there are a lot of very overweight people on these holidays and also at the all you can eat buffet restaurants that are so prevalent these days. I don't mind the greed, it is none of my business, other than in a generic concern about the health of our nation kind of thing.

More problematic or annoying to me is that there is an observable basic lack of manners at such places in a significant proportion of the people. This is not a fat/thin thing or a cultural/nationality thing - the English are by no means inherently more polite than any other nation despite the invariable review on Trip Advisor complaining about rude Germans/Russians!

FWIW - we would always go either SC or AI. B&B only if it was the same price as SC but HB or FB is a bit pointless in our view - restricts your choice (unless you want to pay twice for the same meal) without the benefits of included drinks/snacks etc.

Jins Sat 24-Aug-13 12:04:43

I've done AI a couple of times and I did eat more than I would at home but I was also swimming and walking a lot more so came home a bit lighter grin. The food was amazing though in the Barbados AI but not so much in the European one. We also didnt bother with lunch or snacks as we were out most of the days but we certainly got our money's worth of soft drinks and icecreams

Faced with a buffet I think most people have eyes bigger than their bellies to start with. Portions reduced after the first few days for most people. For some it didn't but I suspect they were big portion people anyway.

Trills Sat 24-Aug-13 12:11:36

Maybe in your everyday life you just don't see other people eating very often.

This may have very little to do with the AI holiday - it's quite likely that the obese people just eat a lot all of the time, but you don't normally see them.

If you're asking "AIBU to be shocked that obese people eat a lot" - you can see that's a silly question.

(yes I know some people have illnesses or medication that can make them be obese without significant overeating but most people who are obese eat a lot)

BlingBang Sat 24-Aug-13 13:05:43

OP. - you need to go to a Sandals resort, just been checking out their website and resorts and there are no fat folk in sight.

HappyYoni Sat 24-Aug-13 13:14:41

My names happy and I am a piggy, I would stuff myself silly at an AI and I would bloody love it!

NoComet Sat 24-Aug-13 14:31:47

Yes, to getting far more exercise than at home.

DDs are total fish, so I spend a lot of the day either in the pool or way out to sea as DD1 goes right out to the safety buoys, snorkelling.

Evenings also consist of long strolls along the sea front. Not to mention water parks, with thousands of stairs, bikes made for 4 and even horse riding.

At home I live in the middle if nowhere and have to drive.

On holiday, I earn a second visit to the buffet.

Trills Sat 24-Aug-13 14:51:47

I am allowed a second visit to the buffet even if I have been horizontal all day.

Because I am an adult and I get to make my own decisions and deal with the consequences.

theoriginalandbestrookie Sat 24-Aug-13 19:11:18

There is a book about this, it's brilliant called Mindless Eating by Brian something or other. Basically they did lots of whizzy experiments and discovered that people will eat more if more food is available.

I envy those of you that wouldn't eat extra at an AI. When we were in Sardinia it was half board. All the thin elegant Italians would waft around with some lovely parma ham and a slice of melon for starters and an equally enticing main course. Me, I couldn't resist trying everything and ended up with mounds of everything on my plate that all slopped together and ended up not tasting as nice.

So now I have decided I prefer someone bringing my food to me.

Trills Sat 24-Aug-13 19:25:30

The key is to put a bit of melon and parma ham on your plate, eat it, then go back and try something else, eat it, then go back and try something else.... etc

It helps if you are good at identifying "things that will probably be there every day" and "things that are just this meal". smile

TSSDNCOP Sat 24-Aug-13 19:43:13

I'm not entirely sure AI impacts local restaurants all that much. Presumably the same people would opt for half board if AI weren't an option.

Isn't it strange how so many posts refer to the other people in the hotel being so greedy.

We find AI useful with children, but only to a point, there's nothing to stop you going out to eat/drink too. We do that 2 or 3 times a week to avoid siege mentality.

Also I find that if I go to the gym for an hour before breakfast I can enjoy croissants and marmalade or breakfast and not gain a pound. I don't eat breakfast like that at home, but I'm on holiday and someone else is delivering the menu. Mine would be a plate that would earn cats bum mouth looks.

Bowlersarm Sat 24-Aug-13 19:54:28

Oh my word. I should never do AI, I don't think.

I always put weight on when we are just bed and breakfast. At home I don't eat breakfast. At a hotel I eat muesli (because it's good for me), a full cooked breakfast (because I never do at home), brown toast and marmalade (because it's good for me, and probably will mean i won't eat lunch-ho ho ho, that thought lasts until ooh about 1 o'clock). Plus copious amounts of coffee and fruit juices.

Times that by 3 meals, i would put on stones.

theoriginalandbestrookie Sat 24-Aug-13 20:01:14

Strangely I'm actually ok for breakfast when it's included.

I know that I can't eat pastries or sweet things as they knock my blood sugar completely out of whack so I eat high protein say eggs and smoked salmon if available and love having fresh fruit salad that someone else has prepared.

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