to ask if you can beat this for picnic bingo?!

(78 Posts)
twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 19:49:35

During picnic today with my DC, I saw a mum of a child around the same age as my DC2 (15 months or so) give her a pack of chocolate biscuits, fruit shoot, and those bacon rasher type crisps things.

All very amusing in an AIBU way, but really, is this what the next generation is being fed? confused

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 19:54:33

I doubt if it's what the entire next generation is being fed every single day no. It might well be what kids sometimes have on a picnic though.

Did you manage to eat anything on your picnic or were you too busy clutching your pearls?

gordyslovesheep Fri 23-Aug-13 19:56:33

is it what YOUR child is being fed? If not then it's not really representative of every 15mth old is it hmm

On picnics mine will have treats and I often have a can of cider - it is not what we do every day

YABU

CoffeeandScones Fri 23-Aug-13 19:57:00

Odd selection for a 15mo, but provided it wasn't accompanied by a glass of Sav Blanc and a Marlboro, she'll probably be okay.

pianodoodle Fri 23-Aug-13 19:57:20

Is this what you feed your child?

If not then there's your answer wink

pianodoodle Fri 23-Aug-13 19:58:00

X-post with gordy

LoganMummy Fri 23-Aug-13 19:59:35

Ling I think the OP was just looking for a light hearted chat. Nowt wrong with that.

I did recently see a family bring out a massive family sized trifle which they ate first with forks (!) before eating the sandwiches smile

NachoAddict Fri 23-Aug-13 20:00:33

Haha maybe it was me you saw but it was a snack pack of jammy dodgers, I shared a pack of Bacon rasher crisps with him and it was capri sun not fruit shoot. Picnics are for treats and we had fruit and cheese and breast milk too.

If it wasn't me then god forbid there were two toddlers eating junk today!

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 20:00:35

Oh come on, humour me grin

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 20:01:08

Oh good some of you are smile

UsAndThem Fri 23-Aug-13 20:01:52

To be fair, it's late holidays.

Our summer picnics began with pasta salad, sandwiches and fruit, but have now deteriorated to Tangfastics and a six-pack of crisps.

Mintyy Fri 23-Aug-13 20:03:10

Awful! Whether it was the child's main meal, snacks, or an occasional treat, those are all absolutely dreadful for a young toddler.

I thought this was going to be a thread about amazingly elaborate and fancy picnic fare, but instead it is just a sad one.

Poor baby.

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 23-Aug-13 20:05:26

What did your picnic have in it OP?

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 23-Aug-13 20:10:56

Xpost OP!

Ok then!
I was in McDonalds for lunch today and I saw a one year old with a fruit shoot, a bag of chips and nuggets. I nearly spat my quarter pounder with cheese out when I saw the poor child's brother dipping the little one's chips in his McFlurry before feeding them to her.
Poor Babba.

Top that OP! grin

pianodoodle Fri 23-Aug-13 20:12:24

OK then. In all honesty I would have cringed at the grub they were giving the baby.

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 20:13:48

I know Mintyy, never mind the kids starving in Africa, here in the UK there are 15 month olds eating Frazzles on a picnic. <snatches OP's pearls> for God's sake won't someone think of the children being fed inferior picnic food?!

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 23-Aug-13 20:15:29

Don't think if have noticed, too busy trying to stop my toddler eating worms, mud and licking trees

Alanna1 Fri 23-Aug-13 20:17:28

Loganmummy, if I'd managed to make a massive trifle, I'd definitely eat it first too! And not because of keeping all the cream cool!

raisah Fri 23-Aug-13 20:18:55

The only way I can get my ds to drink is to fill an empty fruit shoot bottle with water. Sometimes with a teaspoon of squash often not but as he has severe constipation it's the only thibg that works. Don't judge on appearances. I do get filthy looks from other mums but they have no idea what it's like to have a child with bad constipation.

onepieceoflollipop Fri 23-Aug-13 20:21:05

A picnic with no sausage rolls - shocking! shock

Astr0naut Fri 23-Aug-13 20:30:37

WhenI first started going on picnics with baby friends, about 4 years ago, we used to do it all properly: carrot sticks, fruit salad, crusty rolls, hummus, the lot.

One day, we realised that none of our previously bf, lovingly home-prepared food eating, natural yogurt loving, water-drinking pfbs were actually touching anything....until the crisps came out.

Picnics now consist of token cheese butties, crisps, biscuits and breasticks. Occasionally we throw in a bit of fruit, but that's mainly for the wasps. I've never noticed anyone else's picnic - I'm far too busy running away from wasps.

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 20:33:21

I wouldn't really have noticed if it was a 3yo eating all that crap, but it was an only-just-walking 15 month old. confused

Mintyy Fri 23-Aug-13 20:45:22

Roffle at you all with your relaxed parenting.

What the op describes is hopelessly awful food to give to a toddler.

Bunnygotwhacked Fri 23-Aug-13 20:48:02

I too thought it would be a fancy picnic food thread.
I remember once i got out picknicked by a couple of mums in a park. I was sat there unloading sandwiches and feeling pretty good about the home made cakes getting out the crisps inferior cheesy puffs and own brand frazzles don'tcherknow.
When behind me these two set up with a camping stove to cook hot dogs and beans flasks of soup home baked bread humous sludgy looking dip and all sorts of homemade looking wonderful things i hung my head in shame

Mintyy Fri 23-Aug-13 20:53:18

Oh god yes, I've been out-picknicked many times. I've brought along egg sandwiches and an apple sort of thing, uber mums have bought a salad with quinoa and home made cakes for all to share blush.

Frazzles, sweet biscuits and a fruit shoot for a 15 month old is dismal.

ElleBelly Fri 23-Aug-13 21:01:58

It is dismal, but perhaps okay just for a picnic treat? My daughter usually eats a varied diet but we had a picnic today that included mini sausages, party rings and cheesy balls!
Raisah, I've also done the fruit shoot bottle trick to try to encourage my (previously) extremely constipated child. It's a real battle to get her to drink so would try anything! (Very devious)

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 21:06:25

Out picknicked! Love it.
What I hate is when its not clear whether its a bring your own, or whether everyone is bringing loads to share. Ive sometimes felt really stingy when ive scrabbled together a picnic for me and fhe dcs (plenty of food, just not a wonderful feast) only to have other people offering us all home made goodies they've all brought to share.

Madladyintheattic Fri 23-Aug-13 21:16:29

I am ancient and out of the loop, I assume fruit shoots for kids are akin to absinthe for adults.

MrsAMerrick Fri 23-Aug-13 21:23:03

Mintyy, I trust your egg sandwiches were made with Columbian black-tailed organic eggs.
personally, I just take a Fortnums Hamper whenever we pop down to the park for a picnic. So much easier.

Mintyy Fri 23-Aug-13 21:40:49

Oh really MrsAMerrick? I find Harrods do a nicer picnic hamper than Fortnums.

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 21:42:43

I have the butler throw together some bits and pieces from the local artisan shops and the food we produce ourselves of course

Fakebook Fri 23-Aug-13 21:45:33

I gave my DS (19m) some coke on the way back home in the bus today. I got a few shitty stares but they soon stopped when the oldish lady and youngish man sitting opposite me started talking about their time in prison and how the lady was coming back from the police station again after a night in the cells. hmm. The man had apparently gone to jail for 2 years for handling a gun in public. They were talking about it openly!

My point is, there will always be something worse that will shock you. In the grand scheme of things, a bit of junk food doesn't mean the parents are bad. There are real "baddies" out there.

littlewhitebag Fri 23-Aug-13 21:55:57

I love frazzles and i want some NOW.

<misses the point of the thread completely>

olivo Fri 23-Aug-13 21:57:42

My DD had a smartie ice cream, a packet of gingerbread men and some sweet corn ring snack things for her lunch. She doesn't like the greasy stuff they serve at the play place we were at.

She remains unharmed by it..... Judge on....

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:17:35

Fakebook yes I know there are worse things out there. But I also know that feeding our DC healthy, nutritious food is a pretty important thing for the state of the nation. If we all fed our toddlers food like this, I'm sure there'd be many more pearl-clutchers out there in 10 years time, aghast at the outcome.
I would apologise for getting too serious on what I initially started as a light-hearted thread, but I'm quite shock at so many responses that seem to think this is acceptable food for a 15month old.

I'll retreat back to my home-grown humous and fairy-dust couscous now then wink

SlobAtHome Fri 23-Aug-13 22:20:08

shock are we meant to eat healthily on picnics?

Ah crap, I have failed at parenting many a time then grin

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:20:59

But why does 'treat' food have to be such crap?

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 22:22:46

No I'm with you OP. It would be bad for anyone to have this. Particularly bad for a 15m old.

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 22:23:33

And also people seem to justify it by saying about how it's a one off - ell we've had picnics most of the time I've been off this holiday.

amistillsexy Fri 23-Aug-13 22:28:08

In our park today, a mum/grandma(?) had spread a rug over the picnic bench as a tablecloth, and was encouraging a young (3 YO?) girl to slice cucumber for the sandwiches in the lovely bread they'd baked this morning (all discussed at length at LOUD PARENTING level). grin

Go on, OP, admit it, you wish you could come to our park, don't you?wink

SoftSheen Fri 23-Aug-13 22:29:43

YANBU. No need to feed a 15 month old that kind of rubbish. If a treat is felt necessary, ONE chocolate biscuit (after a heathy lunch) would be more than enough.

A few weeks ago we were having a coffee in Pret, and a woman in front of us was feeding her approx. 10 month old son a lunch of quavers and a Boots 'count on us' diet yogurt. She had a nice sandwich for herself, why couldn't she just have given her son a bit rather than feeding him unsuitable crap?

Thepowerof3 Fri 23-Aug-13 22:31:14

Coke for a 19 month old, really? I don't give a shit if hat makes me sound judgey

SaucyJack Fri 23-Aug-13 22:37:27

Sounds like the poor mum just stopped at a sweetshop on the way for snacks.

OnTheBottomWithAWomensWeekly Fri 23-Aug-13 22:40:24

Why could you give a fuck?
And how do you know how old the kid was anyway?

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 22:41:58

Meh. I'm with Fakebook. I just can't get worked up enough to judge stuff like this. If that kind of food regularly forms part of a 15 month old's diet then, yes, that's pretty shit. But as a one off? It's not going to do any lasting damage so who cares.

Crisps are a one off treat for my kids. As are biscuits. You could catch us on a day when they're eating those and assume that's all they eat but you'd be very wrong. Hell, their favourite snack is hummus and veg or bread sticks!! Doesn't mean they can't have the odd pack of frazzles once in a while.

Demonising food isn't a great idea in the long run. Our kids are going to have to make decisions about food on their own at some point, no way am I making junk food some kind of desirable forbidden food.

SpanishLady Fri 23-Aug-13 22:42:00

I bought my son a fruit shoot once and heard a child behind me in the queue ask her mum for one. Mother in judgemental tone informed child said drink was not healthy so no she couldn't. I had to smile that she was buying her kid a magnums adult ice cream ( saw kid eating it)..... After that couldn't be arsed to comment. Some people are too stupid to bother with (and that's me being judgy)!

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:47:14

I don't demonise food. I tell my DC that certain foods aren't healthy for us, so should only be eaten sometimes (biscuits, chocolate etc). I would hope that by providing them with a broad range of nice but decent foods, they don't feel the need to have 'treat' food at any possible opportunity.

DH's side are all very overweight. I'm very conscious of what messages my DC are picking up on.

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 22:49:13

Its not demonising food to jave sonethibg other than crisps and chocolate in a meal. When the child is just over a year

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 22:49:19

But how do you know this family have 'treat food at any possible opportunity'?! How do you know they don't, like you, have biscuits 'sometimes'?

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 22:50:15

SPB, how do you know the child didn't have something else? The OP didn't say that was all she had did she? And presumably she was watching her own 15 month old so she couldn't have seen exactly what the other kid ate

SPBisResisting Fri 23-Aug-13 22:50:49

True

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:51:48

Ling I think it was the combination of all three things together that made me shock
Any of them on their own...meh.
All three together... hmm (For a 15mo)

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:52:16

Ling I think it was the combination of all three things together that made me shock
Any of them on their own...meh.
All three together... hmm (For a 15mo)

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:52:50

Oops!

twosmallbuttons Fri 23-Aug-13 22:54:09

So if the child had eaten some tomatoes that would cancel out the crap then? grin

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 22:54:15

Bet she didn't eat or drink them all though...

Arisbottle Fri 23-Aug-13 22:54:17

I love frazzles.

I once saw (not on a picnic ) two mums with babies who must have been no more than 8/9 months old, one had hold of a pot noodle, the other had hold of a packet of that pasta n sauce stuff and they were debating which one their babies would like.

Feeding junk to kids was never my thing when they were babies but I do realise others make different choices. And never usually care. This was one occasion where I did feel sorry for the kids though mainly because the salt content alone could be far to high for them to safely eat.

LingDiLong Fri 23-Aug-13 22:58:18

Ok, well if this is picnic bingo then wheresmycaffeine has just got a full house! I'd join you in judging that!! Like you say, even as a one off that could be damaging to a young baby.

And no of course tomatoes don't cancel anything out but they at least have some nutritional value. A child eating just frazzles is going to be very unhealthy, a child eating food with nutritional value plus frazzles is going to be slightly less unhealthy!

Beechview Fri 23-Aug-13 23:02:38

I'm with you op. I don't have a holier-than-thou view to food but that is a lot of rubbish to feed a toddler.

I actually think we should demonise certain foods. Some food is so shit that no one should be eating it really.
I know that talk about how processed food is really bad for us etc often bores people but I actually think its disgraceful that so much crap is passed off as food.

StElmo Fri 23-Aug-13 23:53:04

Yeah the food is pretty gross but you have no way of knowing that was the child's mum. We may well see an AIBU 'to kill my friend/sister/sil/childminder etc. for giving my child bacon flavoured crisps in the park'

Fakebook Sat 24-Aug-13 00:02:49

Coke for a 19 month old, really? I don't give a shit if hat makes me sound judgey

Yes, why? We don't buy coke in our house unless I'm having a craving. My children are given 3 healthy meals a day with plain water or juice. My dd practically lives on fruit and salads and they both are a healthy weight and have clean teeth and (touch wood) hardly ever get ill, apart from the odd cold once in a while.
I can give them the occasional coke or sweet knowing full well that I'm not jeopardising their health for life and knowing they have a healthy relationship with food, where nothing is banned, but they know to have it in moderation.

I don't understand how people judge a whole lifestyle from one snapshot, in one day of a person's life. hmm...

mykingdomforasleep Sat 24-Aug-13 00:14:21

I'd be judgy about the coke more than sweets because of the caffeine.

Fakebook Sat 24-Aug-13 00:33:17

There's 10mg of caffeine per 100ml of coca cola, which is about how much ds had. As long as you don't put a teat at the end of a bottle and feed the whole 350ml to the child, they'll be fine.

RoxyFox211 Sat 24-Aug-13 07:18:21

Lol, I suppose it's pretty bad to have that all in one go! But spread out over birthday parties I reckon dd eats a lot worse, mainly because of having unlimited access to the food table and it being a complete nightmare to try and regulate whilst everyone else just tucks in.
It's one day. (and not really anyone else's business I guess).

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 24-Aug-13 07:36:31

My 18 month old ate chicken nuggets and chips from BK in a service station yesterday whilst we stopped off on a horrible journey on the motorway. Clutch your pearls at that. He also ate a banana and drank water.

One snapshot is not representative of someone's life.

I think it is worth pointing out though that something like a picnic is a great way to take the focus of eating as its fun and its different and if someone has a very fussy eater it may well be something they try. And whereas many people suggest (depending on age of child) making a healthy meal and offering no alternative and just taking it away after a set time whether its eaten or not. In extreme cases its suggested that the child be given something it's definitely going to eat so he or she is not upset and stressed and just has the option with no pressure to try other things when ready. Not saying that's what was happening with this baby. But next time you see a picnic full of what you deem "crap" it's worth thinking that there may be a story behind it.

hey guess what?
I occasionally ate sweets,crisps and fizzy drinks when I was a child and im still here!
im thirty five and my teeth haven't fallen out!
my stomache hasn't exploded.
my limbs haven't dropped off.
im not a junkie.
im not a serial killer.
im not a benefit cheat.
and yes, I eat humous.
and vegetables.
and fruit!
and sometimes I still eat sweets and crisps.

She might have been hungry on the way to the picnic and already eaten the sandwiches and houmous. Plus my teeny 3 year old is the same size and height as my friends 18 month old.

Those pasta and pot noodle girls I saw. I did feel sorry for the babies but I also felt sorry for the mums. They were very young and genuinely looked clueless as to what to buy and what to do with it all. The choices they were making weren't great. I'd go as far to say dangerous tbh but what was sadder was the fact that they looked so confused and probably had very little in the way of support and advice. Lets face it, just how much had they learnt at home, or school or from HCP that are supposed to help them, if they were seriously considering pot noodles for babies.

Glad you said that hophop. We took our ds (2 last week) on a picnic this week and he had his sandwiches on the way along with strawberries and grapes.
We got to the park and he had some of our crisps and a cookie. Obviously everyone would have thought I was a bad mother blush
(This is a child that I have always cooked for, never fed out of jars, never taken to McDonalds, won't touch ice cream and i wouldn't ever give him a fruit shoot/fizzy drinks as I always take out more than enough of his own juice)
However he is having a pain au chocolate for breakfast with his milk, it's Saturday smile

idiot55 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:01:08

I'm interested in watching what will happen with this generation of children, brought up on fruit, salad, watered down fruit juice etc. I suppose I mean the children who are brought up thinking they are better than others because they areonlyfedwith healthy food.

Will they rebel as teenagers,or earlier?

Or will the "healthy food" message stick ?

I think probably like most people that the healthy message is important but in general everything in moderation.

Cat98 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:15:24

I could have been the mum * Spanish lady* mentions - I'd have been likely to buy ds a magnum but not a fruit shoot! I don't see why that's so weird.

As for the op - it's not great, but it's not the worst thing in the world if its a one off - which you have no way of knowing! If the child is fed this stuff every day I agree it's terrible but you have no idea if this is the case...?

Cat98 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:17:11

Idiot55 - I doubt there are many children just fed on salad and fruit.. But I see your point. I believe in educating children about healthy choices and what food does for your body, plus allowing most types of foods in moderation.

Damnautocorrect Sat 24-Aug-13 08:43:01

Mmmmmm frazzles, I love frazzles

Bunnygotwhacked Sat 24-Aug-13 08:59:27

that is sad caffeinedrip you are right they were probably doing the best with the support and information provided to them and you know what I wasn't all that different when dd was born I never really knew how to cook I ate crap and just fed her crap our favorite thing was one of those rotisserie chickens and some rolls. It wasn't until ds1 came along and i met a woman i will forever be grateful to who recommended a recipe book full of stuff to cook for toddlers and i haven't looked back. That was because i had an interest in it though for people not interested in cooking it is doubly worse.
I was thinking about the op's picnic and whilst it is dreadful food those items can be bought in multipacks at the pound shop and perhaps that picnic cost her --working out that two were from 6 packs and you can get little 4 pack fruit shoots in there--about 57p you are lucky if you can buy an apple for that these days.
The same story everywhere crap is affordable healthy stuff costs loads

Thank god now for aldi where fruit can cost as little as 39p

Must be a huge help for those who can access one

This wouldn't bother me. My son gets mistaken for a nearly 2 year old all the time when he is in fact nearly 4.

I'm not strict on food and he has free range really in the house. He always asks if he wants something. He eats his meals and isn't over weight. He also doesn't bag for sweets/crisps or chocolate all day.

In fact its pasta and coleslaw he nags for. I'm sick of seeing the stuff!

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