AIBU To have not realised that diamorphine...

(144 Posts)
Mammagaga Thu 22-Aug-13 22:25:14

... IS actually heroin :-0 am I the only person who thought it was diluted morphine?!

littlewhitebag Thu 22-Aug-13 22:27:28

Well heroin is derivative of morphine so much the same thing really.

MamaMumra Thu 22-Aug-13 22:28:08

YANBU. One wouldn't necessarily know smile

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 22:29:16

Morphine, heroin...

Why are you concerned?

purrpurr Thu 22-Aug-13 22:30:28

No shit? Wow. I loved that stuff. I'm off to get me some heroin.

Tortoisegirl Thu 22-Aug-13 22:30:46

and when used at the right time, for the right reasons, a wonderful thing!

badguider Thu 22-Aug-13 22:30:52

well, yes, but it's not exactly street heroin...

Sanctimummy Thu 22-Aug-13 22:31:24

purr

I actually LOL'ed

Morphine is heroin...

PGRated Thu 22-Aug-13 22:33:20

It made my birthing experience so much easier but I'm sure it's different to heroin on the streets grin

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 22:33:26

Can anyone score me some of that pethidine? I was The Lizard Queen. Thirteen years ago now and I can still remember.

badguider Thu 22-Aug-13 22:35:33

I believe that diamorphine/heroin is actually LESS addictive than morphine.

Mammagaga Thu 22-Aug-13 22:36:14

Surely they should let people in labour know it's heroin... I knew it was an opiate but didn't actually realise it was heroin itself!!!

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 22:37:30

It was very important giving birth to DD that the apples were red and not green.

Having a dry birth with DS a few years later and half a Junior Disprin wasn't half as much fun.

AtYourCervix Thu 22-Aug-13 22:38:16

Urgh.

Opiates.....

Itchy.

Funghoul Thu 22-Aug-13 22:38:35

They told me after I has it! My brain has never connected the dots! I really can't understand why people like feeling like that it wasn't nice.

Sanctimummy Thu 22-Aug-13 22:38:41

Talking of birthing drugs.. I loved loved loved gas and air. I'd had it a few years before when I broke my little toe and the doctor had to straighten it out for me. So when I went into labour I was seriously looking forward to the gas and air.

Pethidine just made me sleepy.. not great IMO.

Can you get gas and air in the shops??? <raises eyebrows hopefully>

grin

I have a cupboard full of morphine, it works well, I was on it nearly a year and had no withdrawal symptoms at all. It's one of those lovely instant things, as soon as it goes down the throat your whole body just floats away. grin

purrpurr Thu 22-Aug-13 22:39:33

They should tell you at the start of pregnancy,

"Now ladies, folk are going to be somewhat hysterical about what you're 'allowed' to eat, drink, take, do, etc whilst you're pregnant - pay particular attention to which painkillers you're allowed (not many), but DO retain your sense of humour because let me tell you now, when the time is right you can have heroin, the rreeeeeeeally really good stuff. Hoo boy. Just smile at anyone who says you can't eat mayonnaise or some other outdated shite. Heroin baybeeee!"

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 22:40:51

I'd have taken crack itself when I could feel every bone in DS' body as my uterus crunched down on him for hours. You're not an addict and it isn't as instantly addictive as say, nicotine so what is the problem?

Mintyy Thu 22-Aug-13 22:41:12

Are you allowed diamorphine in labour these days then?

wharrgarbl Thu 22-Aug-13 22:42:36

I'd imagine they don't tell people in labour it's heroin to avoid the whole freaking out 'I'm a drug addict' thing, since the propaganda about heroin is pretty gruesome.
In itself, it's a wonderful anaesthetic and obstetric drug. One dose won't make you an addict, though some anti-drug campaigners would have you believe it.
Used incorrectly it's a hellish slide to oblivion, though people who want to spend their lives being anaesthetised are obviously not happy people to begin with.
And heroin /= morphine. They're related but not the same.

There are much stronger opiates out there too, for those of you who are interested. I hate opiates though. They make me vomit and give me a sore neck/headache.

The bastards gave me pethidine with no anti-sickness drug when I was in labour with DS1. I vomited copiously / felt dreadful until it wore off. They were evil in that hospital.

quesadilla Thu 22-Aug-13 22:42:50

It is heroin. Diamorphine is the chemical name for heroin (its morphine on steroids, its much stronger).

By the way on its own its not actually harmful at all (other than the fact it's highly addictive). The problem with street heroin is that its cut with all sorts of other shit.

wharrgarbl Thu 22-Aug-13 22:43:13

Hah, so incredibly slow, me.

CaptainCapybara Thu 22-Aug-13 22:45:15

I can see why people who have had difficult lives and want to forget stuff end up heroin addicts, I had diamorphine in labour and there is a huge chunk of time I have no memory of (not the actual birth though, it was a long labour).

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 22:47:48

purrpurr, quite.

You must never take medicine for hellish migraines, D&V or use nit lotion or eat runny eggs but all bets are off when you are in labour. Bring on the heroin!

oscarwilde Thu 22-Aug-13 22:52:51

Had a lovely 3hr snooze during labour on pethidine. Set me up nicely for the next 12 hr stint ...confusedconfused

missingmumxox Thu 22-Aug-13 22:55:41

Seriously? so what? what you get in labour was not cut down some back ally...

and Dia means 2, twice, double, so is made morphine only at 11,

missingmumxox Thu 22-Aug-13 22:56:58

Ahh! phone, made from morphine only at 11, it is 1 better smile

ArtemisFowl Thu 22-Aug-13 22:59:40

Heroin is just a street name for morphine and is far less likely to be a clean supply.

Wasn't there a dental anesthetic that was banned because it could be based back to crack cocaine too? I think most dental anesthetics are from the same family as cocaine too

cafecito Thu 22-Aug-13 23:00:40

it's good stuff in moderation.
You were being unreasonable OP for not realising, but now YANBU because you have realised.

ubik Thu 22-Aug-13 23:01:05

diamorphine was like falling back into a feather bed which went on and on and on...

actual morphine made me puke though

IKnewHouseworkWasDangerous Thu 22-Aug-13 23:06:58

While we are in the family shall we talk codine too....

Chibbs Thu 22-Aug-13 23:07:42

interesting. ..

Mintyy Thu 22-Aug-13 23:09:31

So is pethidine diamorphine then?

maddening Thu 22-Aug-13 23:12:13

Your body breaks down codeine into diamorphine or a derivative thereof - all in the same happy fuzzy family. Don't do a lot for the old bowel movements though.

Doubtfuldaphne Thu 22-Aug-13 23:12:20

Why does morphine make you itch? I had some after my c-section but didnt feel any different, just really itchy!

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 23:14:53

Thank Christ the interns from Matthew Wright work to rule or are too coked-up to see threads like this grin

LazyMonkeyButler Thu 22-Aug-13 23:15:36

YANBU, if you've never had a reason to know, why would you?

Morphine is an amazing drug for those who need it, but, like any drug, causes problems when it is abused.

Ifancyashandy Thu 22-Aug-13 23:17:34

I spent three weeks in bed with them lovely Drs & Nurses giving me Oramorph on a 4 hourly basis. Despite the leg that was broken in 4 places, life was very good. Everything (apart from said broken limb) was fluffy.

SomethingOnce Thu 22-Aug-13 23:20:06

Sanctimummy, yes you can, sort of.

Bunnyjo Thu 22-Aug-13 23:21:30

FYI. Diamorphine isn't double strength morphine - it is diacetylmorphine, meaning it has two acetyl groups attached to the morphine. It has the same potency and strength as morphine.

Administered as a one-off during labour or for pain during acute illness, it is usually fine and non-addictive. Problems arise when it is prescribed for chronic illness, although oramorph is less potent than IV morphine/diacetylmorphine.

There are far more potent opioids, such as fentanyl, which are used in spinal anaesthesia and epidural anaesthesia - and again they are usually administered with little complications.

(am a biomedical science student, so this kind of thing interests me)

AnneUulmelmahay Thu 22-Aug-13 23:22:43

I had morphine on a drip, 5 min press button thingie. Fuck me it was good shit. Obvs the op I had beforehand was grimola, but cloud/silver lining and all that!

HepsibarCrinkletoes Thu 22-Aug-13 23:23:45

Mmmmmmm. Diamorphine.

CorrineFoxworth Thu 22-Aug-13 23:24:17

Ifancyashandy do you mind me asking how you managed three weeks in bed feeling fluffy?

I'm not going to like the answer as to how you broke your leg in four places though, am I?

I hope everything is okay now.

Mouthfulofquiz Thu 22-Aug-13 23:27:44

Labour is one of the only times you get to try heroin safely and legally - every cloud........ Hahah

Bunnyjo Thu 22-Aug-13 23:28:03

Mintyy, no morphine and pethidine have different chemical structures. In terms of classification, they are both opioid drugs, meaning they act on the similar receptors in the brain to produce an analgesic effect (pain relief).

justmyview Thu 22-Aug-13 23:28:56

YANBU for not knowing

Only had it once - amazing - instant result

Street heroin totally different - mixed up with all sorts of cr*p. Apparently about 75% of street drugs lifted by the police have no illegal content whatsover - no wonder people get sick if they're injecting talcum powder etc. Pure heroin is (I believe) not dangerous in itself, other than the risk of becoming addicted

mignonette Thu 22-Aug-13 23:29:34

Does it make any difference? Heroin is just the trade name of a type of Morphine. You aren't going to turn into Keith Richards from a clinically therapeutic dose, you know grin....

Patilla Thu 22-Aug-13 23:29:46

Had kapake once for burnt arm.

That was lovely, made everything all fuzzy and distant for a week.

Mintyy Thu 22-Aug-13 23:32:25

I wasn't aware that you could have diamorphine in labour! Is this a new thing?

japonicabumsplatt Thu 22-Aug-13 23:33:17

shandy come on. I want the whole sorry tale.
I used to work with substance misusers and they would do whatever it took to get medical grade morphine/diamorphine/codeine or whatever. the stuff they got on street corners had possibly less heroin in it than the average tip of a match. the rest is up to anyones imagination to work out. laxatives, baking powder,talcum powder, crumpled up stock cubes....I could go on. then the inventive ways of getting it into you when all your veins have collapsed or your leg is a supperating mass of sores and you are likely to have it amputated but fuck that...need another hit.
That is what heroin does to a person who lives a certain life and all the damage that builds up. not what one quick pop of it during labour will achieve.
personally, love a bit of opoid. it makes you itch cos it does something to the adrenal gland makng it release histamine.

Mouthfulofquiz Thu 22-Aug-13 23:35:28

I don't think it's a new thing... I had a couple of half doses (5mg I think) and it really did the trick!

missingmumxox Thu 22-Aug-13 23:37:16

BunnyJo thanks, I sort of knew I was wrong but not why (I is just a nurse DH is a scientist and did once or more than once correct me on this, but I tend to switch off as he does go on, your explanation was nice and short) however it does still go to 11 smile

wharrgarbl Thu 22-Aug-13 23:37:24

Heroin is just a street name for morphine

No, it really isn't.

Mouthfulofquiz Thu 22-Aug-13 23:37:27

I did however, between contractions, believe that a famous american person was telling me 'you can do it gurrrrrlfriend' and it really helped!

Mintyy Thu 22-Aug-13 23:38:07

In 2001 I wasn't given the option. Have things changed since then? Sorry to be a bore but this is actually quite an important question for me.

prettybird Thu 22-Aug-13 23:41:25

Diamorphine, rather than pethidine, seems to be the drug of choice for labour in Scottish hospitals.

I had it when I had ds - lovely stuff! smile

burberryqueen Thu 22-Aug-13 23:42:48

shame i am too old to squeeze out another if they are doshing out the diamorphine.

prettybird Thu 22-Aug-13 23:43:40

Mintyy - I think it depends on the protocols of the hospitals you are in. In Scotland, as I mentioned, it's diamorphine that is offered. In England, it seems to be mostly pethidine.

AnneUulmelmahay Thu 22-Aug-13 23:44:18

No nor me mintyy

Gas and air, pethidine (waste of time) failed epidural, stupidly long delivery in agony then next birth gas and air, nowt else offered, baby got stuck, em cs. Ho hum. Most recent 12 yrs ago.

acer12 Thu 22-Aug-13 23:48:08

Wow it all makes sense! Blissed out days of opiate pain relief . hmm not too sure I like the fact I'd probably enjoy being a smack head!

OctopusWrangler Thu 22-Aug-13 23:50:07

I was given pethidine. Wasn't given much option. Made me hurl. Tramadol keeps my back working when it goes foom about three times a year. Codeine just about keeps my migraines at bay once a month. Say what you like about them, but opiates can stay in my painworldsad

Ah now I came here to give a big shout out for Oramorph, but I see someone had got there first! Seriously seriously addictive though. a nurse might've had to gently say 'No dear, I think you can have paracetamol now blush

Oh. I didn't know that either.smile
But rest assured I will not be taking it ever again as it made me very sick, very ill and sleepy.
Pains were gone tho!

wharrgarbl Thu 22-Aug-13 23:57:48

I was given some pethidine for a migraine once. The registrar came into my lovely dark quiet room and asked me how I was feeling. 'Flooaaaty' comes the reply. 'I think we might have given you a bit much' 'Noooooo'
It was lovely - there was awful pain happening somewhere, but it was somewhere else, over there, maybe? Magic stuff.

SignoraStronza Thu 22-Aug-13 23:58:25

Mmm. Morphine. Post c section bliss.shock

Ifancyashandy Fri 23-Aug-13 00:01:23

Corrine & Japonica and all the other addicts out there, I fell down one step at work. Slipped on the bottom one and skidded, couldn't catch my balance and that was it; smacked it against a wall & fib & tib broken, each one in two places. Oh and my leg was dislocated from knee down. It was sticking out at....(ready?!)... a right angle!

It hurt. A whole heap of a lot. Until the nice ambulance man put the pure morphine drip straight into my heart arm...

And due to the swelling caused by said accident, they couldn't operate. Plus I had break blisters (you should see them!!!). So I had to stay in until the swelling & blisters went down. Took three weeks. And I was in pain. A lot of pain. Especially when they tried to manipulate the break in order to prevent the tendons going weird. And they told me to not be in pain and to take the drugs. So I did!

Hospital is FUN smile!

I loved having that, but for all but my first, I was on pethidine.

For a short while, I was Queen Elizabeth. Was great. I miss my old royal days sad It ended half an hour or so before DS3's birth, and lasted for a few hours.

Ifancyashandy Fri 23-Aug-13 00:05:42

They gave me dihydracodeine too. With the Oramorph. Them two gap together created some seriously happy times!

Ifancyashandy Fri 23-Aug-13 00:06:28

* random 'gap' possibly an indication of a previously drug addled brain...

CorrineFoxworth Fri 23-Aug-13 00:16:19

I was The Lizard Queen and you were Queen Elizabeth, Roasted.

David Icke would have something to say about that.

japonicabumsplatt Fri 23-Aug-13 00:17:12

Lord help us folks. IFancy story is a text book reason for the administration of some serious knock out drops. I don't care what they call it, if my leg was in that sort of shape then knock me the fuck out and don't wake me up till it is back where it was before I went over on me arse. How is it now IFancy? I do love a recovery story. You sound cheerful enough about it, so thats another reason for good pain relife. lessened the trauma I hope. Isn't that what medazalin does too in theory? Puts you on the ceiling and you have no recall of the horror? Or ddid i just make that up?
I had Oxycontin after my back op in November. Meh! don't know what all the fuss was about. Couple of co codamol are much more fun. Though I think they have taken all the good times out of Oxy, what with all the trouble in the States.

HoneyDragon Fri 23-Aug-13 00:22:08

I certainly looked like Keith Richards after giving birth and that was without drugs.

So I reckon with the addition of morphine the odds of turning into actual Keith would be pretty good.

unlucky83 Fri 23-Aug-13 00:23:29

Another vote for oramorph...in fact morphine in general
In hospital in agony with a mystery pain - gave me a morphine injection - it was bliss ...
Then on Oramorph - sent home with some and then given a 500ml bottle on top ...
A week later - pain much better and realised I was spending all day, everyday in my pjs lying on the sofa, watching trashy TV, not bored and not doing anything I should have been doing...nearly didn't bother going to GP appointment.... made myself take rest of bottle back to chemist ...
(actually really surprised how much I was given to keep at home - and how flippant they were when I took it back ...if I had been short of cash (and not so chilledsmile) I could have easily flogged it...)

MariaLuna Fri 23-Aug-13 00:25:38

Thank God I had a natural birth.

onenutshortofasnickers Fri 23-Aug-13 00:37:35

Pethadine( cant spell,) is rubbish, but morphine; sweet, warm, fuzzy morphine smile

It does the job and it does it well!

I was on that in hospital for a week once (i.v then to oramorph- i.v is best,) boy was everythinh warm, fuzzy and cuddly and floaty and nice!

Don't get on with it to great though, I throw up most opiates and did throw up the oramorph alot, probably the taste though!

Deathbyladybirds Fri 23-Aug-13 00:46:54

I had the 5 minute button diamorphine thing. Damn good shit.
Gas and air is more fun though.

Azultrailer Fri 23-Aug-13 01:16:39

A looong time ago I worked for the manufacturer of kapake. We went on conference and got arseholed beyond belief, and then dropped a couple of kapake. Not just a few of us, a load of the sales team and honoured guests. Result? No hangover, and a deep sense of wellbeing until the next bender started!

<it's not big and it's not clever> disclaimer

Azultrailer Fri 23-Aug-13 01:20:52

I had to have bi-manual compression (google this if you have a strong stomach) via an undulated cervix after a Caesarean section and a big bleed. The doctor had hands like a goalie but with the diamorphine he could have taken out my tonsils whilst he was up there and I wouldn't have given a shit.

In the words of Russell Brand: "Opiates deliver."

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 23-Aug-13 01:23:07

It is really good shit for giving birth. I would highly recommend it for a first birth. I was off my tits for transition and pushed out a nine and a half pounder perfectly. Didn't even really notice the pain on crowning. Didn't have a y drugs for my subsequent three births of big babies and the ring of fire smarter like a fucker.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 23-Aug-13 01:32:33

Minnty, I had it in 2004 and it was standard pain relief then in my NHS area for labour. Had been for ages before too. A year or two later however pethidine became drug of choice due to a diamorphine national shortage. I kicked up a fuss and had diamorphine prescribed by my GP and available at my subsequent homebirths. I had heard pethidine was shit poor by comparison and i wanted to stick with a drug that i knew fucked me up adequately to make birth easy. I didn't use it though as did not feel I needed extra help those subsequent times.

sashh Fri 23-Aug-13 08:56:37

What is wrong with me?

I have had both oramorph and morphine for pain, and they kill the pain but I don't feel any side effects.

I spoke to someone on the phone after oramorph, they said I sounded as if I had had a couple of drinks.

I want to be the Lizard Queen, or as I reading RR Martin I might be Deanerys. Boo Hiss.

On the plus side, I can take tramadol and still work. Correction, I can take tramadol which dulls the pain enough for me to work.

Pigsmummy Fri 23-Aug-13 09:07:19

I was asking for drugs in labour and wasn't offered diamorphine, it didn't get mentioned in ante natal class either. This is the first time I have heard of it being used in labour. I wonder if it is a regional thing? (had gas and air after 9 cm but wanted something stronger).

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 23-Aug-13 09:11:50

It depends on your hospital, my hospital didn't offer it either. Some offer pethidine, some offer diamorphine. Morphine is a great analgesic, but not everyone gets on with it.

mrsjay Fri 23-Aug-13 09:14:21

I remember being on morphine for a while and i started seeing spiders and MR men confused it is even stuff

hackmum Fri 23-Aug-13 09:14:59

I had no idea they gave diamorphine in labour. My mother had it when she was dying of cancer.

In labour, I had pethidine, which gave me a lovely floaty relaxed feeling, but I have friends who hated it because it made them hallucinate.

Ifancyashandy Fri 23-Aug-13 09:15:49

It's all fine now. Creaky but fine! Good surgeon said I had fab legs <<preens>> so he was determined to do a good job with the plate and pins.

They had to put the dislocation back before they could move me to hospital. That was pleasant. But they gave me morphine AND gas and air for that. Gas and air is fab! Like being drunk. But not. Like the efect of the first glass when you're afternoon drinking! Great stuff!

mrsjay Fri 23-Aug-13 09:16:06

I had diamorphine in 98 didnt see spiders that time grin the midwife said it can slow down labour and I could get a sleep

QueenofKelsingra Fri 23-Aug-13 09:17:54

I had morphine when admitted with pancreatitis - it was the most wonderful feeling! I remember feeling it spread through me, pain disappeared instantly and I floated into a beautiful fluffy place! I remember a nurse trying to wake me up a bit and telling me they had given me too much, I told them no, I had newborn twins, I was just that tired! (it was true, but they still didn't give me more for a while and kept trying to interrupt my happy floaty place!)

blissful stuff......

Hopasholic Fri 23-Aug-13 09:25:41

I had a kinda outer body experience on it. I was on the ceiling looking down at myself during --my 66 hour--labour. Thank god for morphine!

Don't know what I was given as my pre meds for surgery once but I was convinced the anaethatist was Dr Robert Winston from child of our time and kept asking him why he was at my local hospital blush.

Wouldn't mind but when he came to check on me after the op, he was a very large black man so god knows where that came from!

pianodoodle Fri 23-Aug-13 09:27:49

You can get diamorphine in labour? No one offered it to me!

Due again at Christmas I demand a double dose to make up for last time!

pianodoodle Fri 23-Aug-13 09:28:13

Maybe one for labour and one to take home after.

elliejjtiny Fri 23-Aug-13 09:49:33

I had oramorph and codeine after my section. Don't remember feeling floaty but I remember telling off the nurse in special care because DS4 was sleeping on his front blush. Also I was on the ward for about 3 hours before they took me down to see DS4 and my memories of that time was mostly blank. I'd like a homebirth if I ever have DC5 but I wouldn't mind a stay in hospital afterwards so I can take loads of drugs for the afterpains.

Saltire Fri 23-Aug-13 10:03:59

I have codine at home for my fibromyalgia, makeme feela bit airy fairy but apart from that I am fine.
Tramadol is different - curly spiral colour tunnels with big blue spiders, pink elephants and dinosaurs was the effects of that. oh and the itch. Poor DH actually rang NHS24 at one point because he was so worried about me!

cushtie335 Fri 23-Aug-13 10:14:38

Apparently it made my voice go really high...not helium high, just other-worldy floaty high. I kept telling the old man how much I wanted to shag him as well seemingly. This was after a huge operation and I had tubes from every orifice so I doubt he was terribly enthused by the offer.

I was offered diamorphine in labour. Off my head on gas and air I shouted at the midwives. "I don't want heroin".

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat Fri 23-Aug-13 10:30:00

Codeine for slipped disc pressing on spinal cord; yummy. To quote Harry Hill, "the trouble with heroin is, it's really moreish". It is!

MotherofDragons82 Fri 23-Aug-13 10:40:29

I had diamorphine and it barely took the edge off the pain -just made me feel a bit trippy and out of it. I'll remember not to bother trying heroin either...

midori1999 Fri 23-Aug-13 11:09:07

I had diamorphine with DSs 2&3. It definitely took the edge off and was much better than the meptid (like pethidine) I had with DS1. Although with DS2, Beetlejuice was on the TV. That was a weird film to watch on diamorphine! grin

The hospital I'm booked at now use remifentanil, so ill be opting for that if I need more than gas and air this time as it doesn't really affect the baby.

I had pethedine. To be honest I'm quit glad to hear I'm not the only one who suffered memory loss as a result.

filee777 Fri 23-Aug-13 11:14:53

All nerve deadening drugs (novacaine, epidurals etc) are derived from the same place as cocaine.

Groovee Fri 23-Aug-13 11:17:37

I had a big dose in my first labour and 6 weeks later when Harold Shipman was on trial, I had a meltdown cos I'd not known either. I kept seeing the missing rabbit from the nursery in the corner. It was not pleasant. When I had ds I got small doses, every so often and it really helped.

pingulingo Fri 23-Aug-13 11:23:04

Another vote for diamorphine and oramorph. I had diamorphine before the birth (was an early labour they were trying to put the brakes on) and then oramorph after my C-section. Both were bloody lovely!

Mouserama Fri 23-Aug-13 17:31:16

YANBU!

I found out that diamorphine was in fact heroin when I was about 34 weeks pregnant. I very quickly changed my birth plan to say absolutely no diamorphine (or pethidine for that matter). Unfortunately, my birth plan went out of the window when I needed an emergency c section. I remember being in the operating theatre when they were giving me a spinal, and I overheard them saying 'get x ml of diamorphine ready' - or words to that effect. Couldn't have cared less at that point, and I didn't feel any pain so it must have worked!

mrspremise Fri 23-Aug-13 17:39:16

oooh, co-codamol was nice and snoozy-feeling... Pethidine is shit though, just made me sick and angry. I agree about buying gas and air being a good idea, though, lol

Blueberryveryberry Fri 23-Aug-13 21:25:53

I had morphine after my EMCS and it was the best thing ever (was still a bit drugged from the c-section). After it wore off I remember I was offered it when I was awake and I declined because I thought it would not be safe when breastfeeding (it doesn't affect breastfeeding I found out later).

Gas and air... Lovely too, I had it when I couldn't take another fisting (sorry, but they couldn't reach my cervix and I was in pain).

I am so glad I have never tried any illegal drugs I can see now how easily someone can get addicted.

LeGavrOrf Fri 23-Aug-13 21:29:37

Haha, I also had a nurse in hospital say (when I buzzed for more morphine) 'no dear, I think we will give you a tramadol and Paracetomol instead, I don't think you are in that much pain are you'

She was right. I just wanted more morphine. It was delicious.

Made me as sick as a dog and itchy as hell but it was a lovely sensation.

Quite disappointed that I didn't have pethidine in labour, just for the buzz.

LeGavrOrf Fri 23-Aug-13 21:32:06

The Daily Mail is currently full of terrible drug related stories of people getting smashed in Ibiza and Thailand etc.

Next headline will be 'selfish labouring mothers demanding DRUGS for their own depraved pleasure'

sneezecakesmum Fri 23-Aug-13 21:35:42

i had pethedine, phenergan, and morphine in a difficult pre elamptic labour.

DS didnt wake up for 3 days!

I knew, that's why I was furious when they told me after giving it to me as they had to sort out my PPH (sorry tmi) after having ds. At least tell me what they're putting in to me!

sittinginthesun Fri 23-Aug-13 21:42:11

Well, I had no idea about this.

I had it during my first labour in 2003, and I absolutely hated it. I was still in agony, but felt so out of it that I couldn't talk properly. I had the bloody theme tune from Rainbow going round my head, and everything was either dark or fuzzy.

After ds1 finally arrived, I was rushed to theatre for stitching with an epidural. The drugs were still doing their thing, and I was alternating between flirting with the aneathatist, swearing at the consultant and sobbing.

It took the whole night for me to come down - I was itching and seeing rainbows in the recovery ward.

iamadoozermum Fri 23-Aug-13 21:43:28

Mmmm, I luffs morphine. Had a very pleasant afternoon once after a gallbladder flare up on morphine. So relaxing! Tramadol doesn't work on me at all though. I've had tramadol twice this year, both times after surgery and it didn't even touch the pain sad. Drs didn't believe that I was still in pain though and I had to ask for ages to be given something else angry. I've since found a medical study which suggests around 10% of people don't respond to tramadol.

jammiedonut Fri 23-Aug-13 21:48:26

When I asked my midwife she said they are nw beginning to favour diamorphine over pethidineas the effects on mum and baby are slightly better. Not sure how true that is. Violently allergic to morphine so was refused pain meds on the grounds it was too risky for ds during labour!

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Fri 23-Aug-13 21:50:06

I have tramadol and morphine every day grin which is great at first but I hardly notice the effects now <sigh> wink

DoItTooJulia Fri 23-Aug-13 21:52:19

I was given morphine after an operation at 15. My mum and dad came to visit and I was scratching my nose like nobody's business and I whispered to my mum "have you seen the chickens? The nurses think they're patients. Oh and the doctors wear really weird space suits, they look like tin men." My dad who had a "colourful" youth couldn't stop laughing...like a chip off the old block, he said.

My mum was furious and demanded I was taken off it. Bitch.

DoItTooJulia Fri 23-Aug-13 21:54:41

Oh, and in labour with ds1, on gas and air I shouted really loudly "this is the shit. Better than being stoned!" blush

boschy Fri 23-Aug-13 21:54:42

can you become allergic? Because I had a morphine drip after spinal surgery (absolute bliss for 5 days while DH and inlaws coped with 2 under 4s). Then I had oramorph 10 years later after breaking my leg in 2 places, and although it was a great painkiller it made me itch life fuck.

Panzee Fri 23-Aug-13 21:58:05

All posters who didn't know obviously never saw the euthanasia storyline in Brookie. grin

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 23-Aug-13 22:00:20

I had some and g&a when the spinal wore off half way through my elcs, thank fuck for opiates I say! I could still feel way more than I wanted to though

LayMizzRarb Fri 23-Aug-13 22:04:38

I take Tramadol when my pain gets really bad, once or twice a week. It dulls the pain, but I don't get any trippy effects!

MrsFrederickWentworth Fri 23-Aug-13 22:05:59

I was send home with masses of the stuff ( please don't sell it on the street, dear"), and discovered that although it makes me as itchy and as constipated as hell, it goes magnificently with red wine.

JennySense Fri 23-Aug-13 22:06:51

I blush when I remember "negotiating" with the nurse when she came to take my self-administering push-button thing away. Her roar of laughter made me realise that I wasn't the first to try and keep the heroin.
Thank Fuck I never had access to it before or since!

I didn't get it for any if my 3 labours and am very disappointed. I want to have been Lizard Queen or the Actual Queen. I know I would have loved it. Fucking NCT talking me into a drug free labour.

I ruddy loved gas and air. And my v. Kindly midwife let me hold on to it while she was weighing DS3 and gave me a morphine enema because I'd been so brave. I'm still a bit in love with her. I drifted off and imagined I was out shopping. Then DH reminded me I had a newborn to feed . Magically memories.

boschy Fri 23-Aug-13 22:12:18

codeine is weird though, it makes me feel as if the bones in my upper arms are made of cotton wool <too many prescrp drugs> emoticon

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 23-Aug-13 22:17:40

I like codeine and tramadol, I've never thought I was someone else though! I can't have been doing it right grin

softlysoftly Fri 23-Aug-13 22:20:19

I wasn't offered it in labour envy had it before after a riding accident and during a complicated miscarriage though was amazing stuff.

I shamed myself with g&a I loved it so much with dd1 when I had dd2 she was nearly born on the pavement by the time the midwives got hold of me she was already out but dh has a video shock of the following

"Can I have gas and air? "

Mw "but babies here love"

"Yes but I didn't get any g&a, can I have mine now"

Lovely Mw "erm suppose so"

"DH don't let me drop dd2 I've got jelly arms" blush

unlucky83 Fri 23-Aug-13 23:53:53

Ah codeine too...had that for kidney stones ...can't remember feeling out of it etc but I suspect I was ....
...did manage to arrive late and then only attempt half of a chemistry A level mock (mature student) - only realised it was a double sided A4 sheet 5 min before the end - had sat there for best part of 1.5 hrs puzzling over why everyone else was still busy working away ...blush

CorrineFoxworth Sat 24-Aug-13 00:05:11

"Can I have gas and air? "

Mw "but babies here love"

grin

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 24-Aug-13 07:49:45

Am I the only one who thought gas and air did fuck all during labour, but the mouthpiece was quite good to bite on?

MrsLouisTheroux Sat 24-Aug-13 07:53:13

I was 2 weeks overdue, waters had broken, contracting and was given diamorphine to slow things down and send me to sleep. They were having a busy night!
The doctor who saw me the next morning went berserk.
I was still in a hazy little world of my own and didn't realise what was happening until I read my notes later on.

MinnieBar Sat 24-Aug-13 08:09:43

DD2 was a two-hour home birth, so the second midwife didn't arrive until after she was born and I didn't get any G&A either sad.

I think I might have registered my disappointment too…

RoxyFox211 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:34:27

Haha purrpurr, pretty much snap. I always joke about it giving me a taste for the stuff (it really did though!).

FrigginRexManningDay Sat 24-Aug-13 09:05:55

I loved the gas and air,it was truly wonderful stuff.
When I broke my hip I was given morphine and something else I can't remember what it was called (probably cause the old morphine has addled my brain). It was the best month of my life,although there are chunks of time missing.

weebarra Sat 24-Aug-13 09:17:31

I was given morphine last week to try to discourage DD from arriving. I hate it, makes me feel sick, and god, the itch!
DD is here now and as with DS1 & 2 I am very much enjoying my tramadol!

AndHarry Sat 24-Aug-13 09:43:22

I was stuffed so full of opiates after an operation a couple of years ago that DH and an ICU nurse had to take turns to wake me up to breathe. I was so happy and warm and sleepy. I can easily see how an addict could die if they got access to medical-grade stuff. After I left the ICU I was put on a 5-minute button press thing, which was useless. I'd get dosed up enough to sleep, would drift off and then wake up 20 minutes later in agony because, as I kept trying to explain to the nurse who told me I just needed to keep pressing the button, I am not able to press buttons in my sleep hmm

mignonette Sat 24-Aug-13 09:48:30

I am allergic to Codeine. Even handling the tablets makes my hands and arms come out in hives which has been problematic because I am a nurse. I develop anaphylaxis if I am given it.

Other opiates though; no problem smile....

Sunrunner Sat 24-Aug-13 10:15:38

My dsis was given oramorph a couple of months ago but it didn't help with her pain at all, she swears by tramadol though.

When I had oramorph before getting a massive abscess drained it was great. I knew that it really hurt but I didn't care, it also didn't bother me when the doctor said that he needed a much bigger needle. I was all floaty.

Chunderella Sat 24-Aug-13 11:41:34

I like the cut of your jib softlysoftly.

TruthSweet Sat 24-Aug-13 13:24:58

Midori - Congratulations on your new pg flowers I had remi with DD4 and that coupled with G&A meant it was actually painfree as opposed to so much pain I had a seizure.

Top tip - as soon as a contraction ends hit the remi button as it takes a few minutes to work and you get pain coverage before the next one starts.

The itching is awful. Just awful. I have scars on my back from scratching furiously in my sleep.

softlysoftly Sat 24-Aug-13 18:45:48

Welsh midwives minnie, a very reasonable bunch I feel wink

TeaCuresEverything Sat 24-Aug-13 22:34:08

morphine makes me hurl copiously so I declined it after my cs as I didn't fancy chucking with a gash in my belly. I just lay there writhing in pain chomping down on paracetamol while my fellow c-sectioners lie there looking all blissed out and smug. very jealous I was!

MrsFrederickWentworth Sun 25-Aug-13 10:56:33

Pobble, yes, me.

Arbitrary yes, awful. But better than the pain.

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