To think Educating Yorkshire is a really bad idea?

(79 Posts)
GetStuffezd Tue 20-Aug-13 14:06:57

So, here's the trailer.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NQGPVv1wDU
It's basically showing the workings of a Yorkshire secondary school from day to day, going into classes and following certain teachers and pupils - from what I can gather anyway.
Is it just me who thinks it's a really bad idea? For parents, I can't imagine film crews in classes, encouraging children to "perform" is a popular idea. And as a teacher I would rather die than have my lessons disrupted with all that hassle. Maybe I'm being miserable but the whole thing seems a crazy idea to me, and possibly a massive ego trip on the part of the new Head.

Plus that teacher with the beard and messy hair irritated me after about 0.6 seconds.

I thought you were going to say that kids from Yorkshire didn't deserve to go to school hmm

I agree btw, I think it must be quite awkward for the teachers and chikdren.

ilovesooty Tue 20-Aug-13 14:10:35

The HT felt it would be beneficial and the article I read indicated that the pupils found it a positive experience. You can't compell anyone to be on TV if they don't want to.
I'll reserve judgment until I've seen it.

ilovesooty Tue 20-Aug-13 14:11:23

Very few pupils chose to opt out.

PrincessFlirtyPants Tue 20-Aug-13 14:12:09

They have done this previously in a show called 'Educating Essex'

GetStuffezd Tue 20-Aug-13 14:13:14

Well why would the pupils opt out? Chance to be on telly, get yourself noticed! I agree about reserving judgement though and I will give it a go.

GetStuffezd Tue 20-Aug-13 14:13:51

Really, Princess? I must have missed that one!

BuskersCat Tue 20-Aug-13 14:15:39

I also thought it was going to be about not teaching children who lived in yorkshire, gave myself a wedgie for no reason!

Loved the series Educating Essex.

noblegiraffe Tue 20-Aug-13 14:16:27

Educating Essex was brilliant. And a real eye opener for many who don't understand the problems faced by your average bog-standard comp. I'll definitely be watching this one!

WhyIRayLiotta Tue 20-Aug-13 14:17:30

The girl with the eyebrows at the end absolutely cracked me up! So funny! grin

adds nothing to serious debate as you were.

Sirzy Tue 20-Aug-13 14:18:32

Educating Essex was very good. I think it's good to show people some of the day to day challenges in schools

GetStuffezd Tue 20-Aug-13 14:21:07

Oops, sorry for the ambiguous title grin
It's interesting hearing other views but I just couldn't imagine taking part myself. Even the most hardworking classes must surely be distracted by the presence of cameras and crew? It would drive me insane.

JogOnKitty Tue 20-Aug-13 14:24:05

Another here who thinks Educating Essex was good and hoping the Yorkshire one will be the same. I used to live very near to the school that is featured and it was a underachieving school with a reputation for bad behaviour. I hope this programme shows the huge progress that has been made by staff and pupils.

tabulahrasa Tue 20-Aug-13 14:24:21

Educating Essex was good - very nicely done I thought, a pretty fair representation of school life without exploiting anybody.

Sirzy Tue 20-Aug-13 14:29:07

A lot of educating Essex was hidden cameras rather than camera and crew I think

mrsjay Tue 20-Aug-13 14:30:56

the girl who is in eastenders was in educating essex I loved it I am really nosey though will be good to see what teenagers get up to at school

mrsjay Tue 20-Aug-13 14:31:13

LOLA sorry i forgot the characters name

mrsjay Tue 20-Aug-13 14:31:55

It is hidden camera like cctv isn't it ?

tabulahrasa Tue 20-Aug-13 14:33:22

Even if there's someone in the corner with a camera...they soon forget they're there.

We used to work in pairs filming each other for assessments at uni and even in a strange environment with a stranger teaching them, they forgot it was there after a few minutes.

Though you always got a few minutes of preening at the camera at the start of every session, lol.

maja00 Tue 20-Aug-13 14:34:00

I enjoyed Educating Essex.

I assume they are filmed with fixed/hidden cameras like 24 Hours in A&E rather than an actual film crew getting in the way.

Educating Essex was great, I didn't know that there was a new series starting. I'll be watching it.
I also laughed at the thread title, grin

clarinetV2 Tue 20-Aug-13 14:39:01

There seem to have been quite a few of these across the years. I remember one done in the 80s in a comprehensive in Corby. Don't remember much about it though. And didn't they do one called 'Head on the block' about a guy who took up the leadership of a failing school in Islington or somewhere? There must be lots of people like mrsjay who are nosey about what teenagers get up to in school!

WillyandTig Tue 20-Aug-13 15:15:17

The girl who played Lola wasn't on it was she? Isn't she too old?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this new series. I always find it interesting to see how the teachers deal with different situations although I'm sure its very edited!

DidoTheDodo Tue 20-Aug-13 15:30:28

Anyone know which school it is?

floatyflo Tue 20-Aug-13 16:39:57

Lola actress was on Jamie Olivers dream school, not the Essex one smile

mrsjay Tue 20-Aug-13 16:46:07

oh was she tbh I didnt recognise her but the dds told me she was on the essex one blush

EstelleGetty Tue 20-Aug-13 16:47:14

This is strange, I just gave a lecture this morning on representations of education in British film and TV, and one of the examples I used was Educating Essex.

From watching and doing some research around that show, I really liked it. There were 65 CCTV cameras around that school, and people were only filmed right in front of a camera if they were being interviewed about something specific. The Daily Mail, unsurprisingly, hated it. But they completely got the wrong end of the stick.

I think showing bad behaviour, expulsion, etc, gives viewers a look into the challenges teachers face. The pupils were a real mixed bunch, but in the end I felt real compassion for all of them. The Mail would rather believe teenagers are just hooligans, truants, idiots. You saw a lot of very bright, kind, determined kids on that show.

StephenFrySaidSo Tue 20-Aug-13 16:51:23

another one here looking forward to more from the girl with the eyebrows grin

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 16:53:26

I watched 'educating essex'

I thought it was great.

Every school should have a MR DREW! Loved him!

StephenFrySaidSo Tue 20-Aug-13 16:55:30

on a serious note- if the school played this right they could use it as a very good lesson on how tv exposure might not be a positive thing, how the media edit to suit their agenda and how public perception of you might be very different to what you expect. there are a lot of 'reality' shows about now and I think a lot of people don't realise when they go into it how mentally/emotionally damaging the public's reaction can be- and also the dangers of suddenly having a massive following on twitter/fb where people might not always be 'fans'. it would be great if the school were using the show in this way. not sure if they will or not. does anyone know?

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 16:56:19

www.channel4.com/programmes/educating-essex/4od

For anyone wanting to watch it [grin[

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 16:56:53

Grin fail ..grin

manticlimactic Tue 20-Aug-13 17:01:17

DidoTheDodo I think I saw Thornhill Community Academy on one of the computers.

hazelnutlatte Tue 20-Aug-13 18:03:03

This isn't a new idea - they did this I'm my school in the 90's - not with hidden cameras though, don't think the technology was up to it yet, and it mostly just followed around lots of troublemakers! The series was called 'Cowley High.' I wonder if anyone remembers it?

YoureAllABunchOfBastards Tue 20-Aug-13 18:09:42

We were approached to do this and said no - considered it for a while, but felt it was too intrusive.

Holly94 Tue 20-Aug-13 18:34:12

They should have come to my Yorkshire school. One of my best friends had an affair with a teacher (he's now in prison for that) and there was repeated drugs/drinks incidents on the school grounds in daytime.
It was also rife with teenage pregnancy. There is a 14 year old girl in my sisters year expecting a baby next month and I'm currently 17 weeks after finding out I was pregnant the day after leaving sixth form.

Holly94 Tue 20-Aug-13 18:34:38

Oh and not to mention the time one of the school blocks got burnt down in an arson incident!

colleysmill Tue 20-Aug-13 18:42:46

Educating Essex was fabulous and another Mr Drew fan here. I thought he was marvellous.

harrietlichman Tue 20-Aug-13 18:45:15

Educating Essex was fantastic, a really interesting insight and very thoughtfully done, I thought. As a teacher, we had lots of discussions about the programme at school, and everyone loved it and could relate to it. I hope Educating Yorkshire is just as good.

soul2000 Tue 20-Aug-13 19:23:13

Holy 94 it sounds like a "OFSTED OUTSTANDING SCHOOL" .

Holly94 Tue 20-Aug-13 20:06:58

soul2000 haha! They got a pretty poor Ofsted rating on our last inspection. However we all managed to do pretty well in our A Levels and 2 people I know are off to Cambridge.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 20-Aug-13 20:23:25

Educating Essex opened my DPs eyes to what I actually face on a daily basis. Not just dealing with bad behaviour, but how emotionally draining some days are, and how sometimes its impossible to simply 'leave it at work'.

GetStuffezd Tue 20-Aug-13 20:40:27

Ok, it seems Educating Essex was very popular.
I'd also like it noted that I was clearly being unreasonable but NOT ONE PERSON gave me a YABU! Hahahaaaaaaaa!!!
grin

headlesslambrini Tue 20-Aug-13 20:44:31

when is educating Yorkshire starting?

SoulTrain Tue 20-Aug-13 20:48:02

Educating Essex was bloody brilliant! We can't wait for Educating Yorkshire!

soul2000 Tue 20-Aug-13 20:49:59

Holy94, you must have been HeadGirl/Teachers pet then,stil i bet everyday was memorable and different,
so much more fun than a straight faced academic all Girls School.

DollyGrey Tue 20-Aug-13 21:58:02

Holly did you go to a school in a seaside town beginning with B? Rings a bell!

threepiecesuite Tue 20-Aug-13 22:01:26

hazelnutte - I didn't watch Cowley High but would love to see it re-run now, I'm very familiar with this school!

WorraLiberty Tue 20-Aug-13 22:02:15

Loved Educating Essex, can't wait for the Yorkshire version.

LessMissAbs Tue 20-Aug-13 22:05:27

I think the main purpose of schools should be to get children through exams with good grades.

My dn seems to spend most of her time baking cakes and fundraising for the school, during school hours.

Excuse - I went to a private school...

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 22:28:50

Educating Yorkshire starts on Channel 4 on Thursday September 5 at 9pm

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 22:29:17
soul2000 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:30:28

It seems the site wont let me put Holy"s school name on the site.

I loved Educating Essex. It was filmed in a non-intrusive manner and edited sensitively; staff and pupils were portrayed very fairly, unlike a lot of reality television I've seen. The impromptu speech at the leavers' assembly by the boy with AS was beautifully moving. It is one of the best pieces of reality television I've ever seen.

FloweryOwl Wed 21-Aug-13 00:54:08

What school did you go to Holly94? Is it in Leeds by any chance?
I can't wait for educating Yorkshire to start! It's at Thornhill in Dewsbury. I knew quite a few people that went there.

Holly94 Wed 21-Aug-13 12:10:30

FloweryOwl no not Leeds. It was in East Yorkshire.

Skelacia Wed 21-Aug-13 13:25:54

hazlenutlatte, I don't remember the series but my cousins went to Cowley High in the 90s, I wonder if you knew them. Or are one of them! grin

acer12 Wed 21-Aug-13 13:26:15

There won't be a film crew it will be big brother style cameras.

frumpet Wed 21-Aug-13 13:32:01

Where in Yorkshire are they filming ?

NGO Wed 21-Aug-13 13:46:02

I loved Educating Essex. I liked Mr Drew but I thought he was a bit too sarcastic and abrupt at times with some pupils.
I thought the Headteacher was marvellous though, really nurturing. He cried at one point because he felt that he'd failed one of the pupils.

ShellyBoobs Wed 21-Aug-13 13:46:42

Thornhill.

It's near Dewsbury but in Huddersfield area, I think.

inthenextlife Wed 21-Aug-13 18:46:12

I actually think that guy with the beard is very hunky. Can't wait to see more of him in the series. The bald Scottish one looks gorgeous too. Yum!

CakesAndVeg Fri 23-Aug-13 03:26:50

This is probably the worst school in britian.

CakesAndVeg Fri 23-Aug-13 03:27:51

My daughter has just left the school and my son is there.

RyanL Sun 25-Aug-13 05:06:26

Hello everyone. I was a student of this school when filming was going on, and it seems many of you don't understand what they really were like with us when filming.

So, we had set classrooms which were rigged with Cameras. These cameras could be used at anytime, but only 3 could be recording at any time.

Some time tables did have to get changed around to make it easier for them to get in classes that they wanted to record. Which did come as a problem for the maths department.

When they first visited the school, they came around the school and asked every student if they wanted to be on the show. Most of us said yes, including me, and a couple said no.

However, teachers took it differently, as almost all of them said No to the cameras. It was left with mainly the higher ranked staff in the school.

Most teachers who I talked to (I am a very chatty person) about this, said, they didn't want the conversations they have with the students to be on TV. As many teachers are caring and do help students out in privacy. Especially the P.H.S.C.E class'.

When it come to students, only a few selected ones actually got recorded and wired with microphones. My friend called Jac (who will be shown in Episode 2) was wired with a mic, as soon as he entered the school gates.

He never complained about it, and most of the time, we forgot it was even there. And it was only taken off when he walked home.

These select people only got told to do certain things in photo shoots. Which you would expect. We were never told to play up or react in a certain way, we were always told to be ourselves.

The only time it got annoying for us, was when they interrupted our class' because the needed to get a picture of out teacher doing something stupid. And/or if they brought in a actual movie camera to record whilst on the move. Because they got in the way, and in peoples face.

The cameras used to record in the classrooms were all wall mounted cameras. They were distracting at first, but you do get used to them after a while.

When it was GCSE results day, my parents were told to come in to talk to my carriers advisor, and when we started walking through the front gates, they brought out a camera which you could see from a mile away. And the first thing my mum said was, "Yeah, I can see how that would be annoying." But I really have to say, it wasn't all bad.

If you wasn't someone they focused on, then they never bothered you. If you was someone they focused on, then they bothered you. Sometimes ever going into town and filming you get drunk. (Which they did for a group of girls) Which they didn't find annoying. However, I know I would, and my parents would have something to say about it too.

But all in all, stop moaning about it please... haha.
It was perfectly fine and hardly effected us or the school in anyway.

Hope this helped you understand!

AnneUulmelmahay Sun 25-Aug-13 08:04:05

Thank you RyanL, v informative.

Mojavewonderer Sun 25-Aug-13 08:23:01

I can't wait for it the Essex one was brilliant!

SueDoku Sun 25-Aug-13 09:41:17

That's really interesting RyanL - I really loved 'Educating Essex' as I thought that it showed with great clarity some of the challenges that teachers (and pupils!) face, so I am looking forward to 'Educating Yorkshire'.
I have several relatives who teach (or taught), and I worked in an FE college until recently, and I know that some of the situations shown were par for the course when dealing with today's students - but many of my friends were gobsmacked to see just what it's like on the chalkface in education today. smile

I also loved Educating Essex. I grew up a few miles from the school and I knew a couple of people who were working in the school at the time.

I liked the fact that it showed the reality of teaching, the high points and the hard parts. I am looking forward to the new version.

LadyMilfordHaven Sun 25-Aug-13 10:10:22

agree - I think it does a lot of good for people understanding schools and teaching.

the only thing is obv they cant show a lot of the social problems each kid comes with due to their age. That, for some kids, totally changes their school experience

'Do you like my eyebrows? I shaved them off' grin grin

Can't wait for her and the show! Loved Educating Essex.

GiveTwoSheets Sun 25-Aug-13 18:37:10

Looking forward to watching it, found educating Essex great didnt show them in a bad light like most of these reality shows do

sparklekitty Sun 25-Aug-13 20:42:34

It's the same as educating Essex. They don't have film crews, they use the same little swively cameras that they use in OBEM.

I loved Educating Essex and I'm really looking forward to this.

beatback Sun 25-Aug-13 21:17:29

It is so typical for the television companies to choose a school in a a economically deprived area, because they are not intrested in the School and just want to see fireworks. I wonder whether the television crew choose Thornhill Community School because it was in Dewsbury with obvious links to Shannon Mathews, the television progam is just voyeurism looking in to the lives of the underprivileged and educationaly disadvantaged.

If the television company were intrested in showing a School in a positive light they would not be chosing Schools like Thornhill. The television company would not choose a high achieveing girls Grammar School would they, because if the viewers only saw girls sat in their chairs and listening to their teachers it would make boring viewing. This is the kind of television program that gets its ratings out of the misfourtune of other people, thats ok in shows like "JEREMY KYLE" because at least their adults but to show kids in sterotypical ways is just bad.

Schools like Thornhill are just desperate to get a little bit of attention so will agree to a program that does not benefit the School or the pupils in any way apart from the pupils saying i have been on tv.

LadyMilfordHaven Sun 25-Aug-13 21:27:04

Last one didn't come over Jeremy Kyle at all. Think you're talking bollocks

Darkesteyes Sun 25-Aug-13 23:31:12

I watched Educating Essex and am planning to watch this. However having recently doscovered that im dyscalculic watching the maths teacher yell DO SOME MATHS at that young blonde girl in the trailer gave me some 1980s flashbacks.....not good ones.

lade Mon 26-Aug-13 22:20:37

I'm looking forward to watching it.

The girl with the eyebrows just summed up everything about teaching for me (and everything I love about it too grin). A student will suddenly get something into their heads and out it comes. They don't stop to think, they just say what comes into their head; whether it is appropriate / relevant or not. Sometimes it can be challenging, sometimes fun, but always unexpected and that's the joy of teaching.

yorkshirepuddings Mon 26-Aug-13 22:33:11

I'm a secondary teacher and the girl with the eyebrows cracks me up every time I see the trailer. There are so many moments like that every day - the kids are the best part of the job.

coco27 Fri 06-Sep-13 18:50:58

beatback is spot on.
These children are going to one day be adults looking for jobs.
Would you as an employer want to hire someone who had a history of making false allegations of Racist abuse, for example?
The kids may well give their consent but they are too young to appreciate the ramifications.

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