To think the BBC are being deliberately provocative and should not be screening The Burrowers now

(63 Posts)
TheKingAndI Mon 19-Aug-13 22:41:50

The desperately long awaited badger cull pilot is due to take place this summer/autumn, which will be a huge relief to many farmers who are suffering the scourge of bovine tb. I just don't think we need the BBC to be so provocative by showing this program at the current time, with its "cute" badgers being fawned over and fondled by Chris Packham.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Aug-13 22:43:17


It is educational. Just because it doesn't suit one demographic doesn't mean all the others aren't interested.

sooperdooper Mon 19-Aug-13 22:43:18

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into the scheduling tbh

thebody Mon 19-Aug-13 22:43:49

this won't end well but I presume you knew this when you posted dearie.

bellablot Mon 19-Aug-13 22:44:16

Not seen this programme but I agree. Plus Chris Packham is a creep!

MardyBra Mon 19-Aug-13 22:44:39

I presume you mean The Borrowers.

And wtf has that got to do with badger culls?

violetwellies Mon 19-Aug-13 22:44:57

No idea, dont have a tv, but Id like to know is any work being done to see if the hedgehog numbers improve as the badger numbers drop?

Spikeytree Mon 19-Aug-13 22:45:20

And many of the farmers I know think the cull will achieve very little.

littlemisswise Mon 19-Aug-13 22:45:53

If it was just about badgers, maybe you'd have a point. But as it isn't, you don't!

MardyBra Mon 19-Aug-13 22:46:16

Sorry just realised I've finally lost the plot.

TylerHopkins Mon 19-Aug-13 22:46:18


bellablot Mon 19-Aug-13 22:46:31

It's all propaganda, there's no reason to put this sort if show out.

TylerHopkins Mon 19-Aug-13 22:48:08

Why shouldn't they show it, are badgers a dirty little secret now?

I thought she meant The Borrowers


Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Aug-13 22:50:20


Yeah how dare people be interested in wildlife and educating themselves - bloody propaganda, all of it!

LEMisdisappointed Mon 19-Aug-13 22:52:24

of course there;s a reason - i forgot this was on but there is usually a load of shite on the TV, hence me being on here most evenings, something about british wildlife is far more interesting than the usual barage of shite we hae to put up with.

Also, i get a bit fucked off with how its all seen as "necessary" a vaccination program would have been far more effective. ARe they actually planning on wiping out an entire species?

Nottalotta Mon 19-Aug-13 22:53:30

There are many people, farmers included, who have not been desperately awaiting a badger cull. And i don't really think the bbc would have been thinking about it when scheduling the program. So yes, YABU.

bellablot Mon 19-Aug-13 22:54:51

There's many a better way of educating yourself than watching the tele. If its a programme about badger culling then it is propaganda as they will only portray one side of the argument, typical BBC style. Why anyone would watch the tele these days is beyond me and Chris Packham is a creep - fact!

londonrach Mon 19-Aug-13 22:56:41

You are ill informed op. There is still no link between cattle, badgers and tb in fact it's possible the cattle give tb to badgers. I grew up in Somerset and alot of farmers are still unsure. The badger cull us political ly motivated with limited scientific evidence. On another point doubt the BBC would even consider the cull re documentary.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Aug-13 22:56:45

And some people like to see all sides of the argument.

The farmers desperate for the cull (by no means all) are hardly going to be presenting an impartial argument now are they.


TylerHopkins Mon 19-Aug-13 22:58:08

Well said londonrach

TylerHopkins Mon 19-Aug-13 22:59:24
MumnGran Mon 19-Aug-13 22:59:51

Goady? this takes the biscuit

notanyanymore Mon 19-Aug-13 23:01:40

Haha Mardybra glad I wasn't the only one!

Pachacuti Mon 19-Aug-13 23:02:49

They'll have spent years preparing for this series.

Only a third of it is even about badgers.

Not all farmers agree with you.


(bellablot, it's not a programme about badger culling. It's a natural history documentary about rabbits, badgers and water voles -- all animals native to the British Isles that dig and live in burrows -- over the course of a year, comparing and contrasting their ways of life)

edam Mon 19-Aug-13 23:04:28

It drives people with an agenda crazy that the BBC is independent and doesn't have to bend to the will of this bunch or that bunch. Not that the Beeb always gets it right, but the idea that they should ban any references to badgers just in case it upsets some anti-badger zealots is ridiculous.

FWIW, the science is very clear - there is NO evidence that a badger cull will achieve anything other than a lot of dead badgers. Look at the Krebbs trial. The only reason for the cull is so that the government can look as if they are doing 'something' - even if that something is pointless. Still, if it wins them a few votes from people who hate badgers, or who find it difficult to understand 'seriously, we've looked at it carefully and it really won't work', what do the politicians care?

Elsiequadrille Mon 19-Aug-13 23:04:50

I thought she meant the Borrowers too, Exit!

Yabu by the way, OP.

maddening Mon 19-Aug-13 23:08:08

Why shouldn't all sides be aired - not everyone wants the cull - surely everyone else can have an loosing opinion.

we can't go round randomly wiping out wildlife - we have to learn how to live along with it - working on a test that can test for tb without picking up vaccinated cows as positive would be the best bet imo.

maddening Mon 19-Aug-13 23:08:51

opposing not loosing :-P

TheKingAndI Mon 19-Aug-13 23:34:14

Of course the BBC knows what they are doing by putting this program out now. They have remained silent on the issue for the last 2 months, only for it to be back on Breakfast again this morning. I have friends who are BBC journalists and be under no illusion, they would have their own agenda for doing this.

I am fully aware of all the data/science on btb. I am married to a farmer and we have suffered with this problem for many years although luckily not for the last three or so. And my husband is actually high up in the chain of command in terms of organising the pilots so, trust me, we are very well informed in every respect of this disease and the reasons for doing it. In fact, it is pretty much all my husband (and many other committed individuals) have worked on for the last 2.5 years.

AnneUulmelmahay Mon 19-Aug-13 23:49:31

Okay so this is one of them threads:

OP Aibu
Hive mind Yup
OP but I ainnnnn't <wails>
Hive mind Sorry but Yabu my bab
OP Humph I have an AXE to grind doncha know AND my husband has vested interests
Hive mind ODFOD

Am I right?

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Aug-13 23:52:55

I don't think the disagreement can be attributed to a hive mind.

But yeah, basically what you said Anne

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Aug-13 23:53:27

I say that because I started the hive obviously grin

ThatVikRinA22 Mon 19-Aug-13 23:54:01

what a load of rot.
the programme features rabbits and water vole aswell as badgers. This programme is revealing things that science didnt know up until now - and the water vole is an endangered species now in the UK.

go and get a life. YABU. very.
do you know where the off switch is on your TV? if so then feel free to use it while i enjoy the programme in question.

you can tell me what to watch when i can tell you what to watch.

thecatfromjapan Tue 20-Aug-13 00:14:14

If "they" start showing repeats of Pete the ParkKeeper, with his cute, helpful badger mates, that is the sign that the Badger Resistance is to take to the streets. They have been secretly fund-raising for arms, and have been undertaking manouevres in the Outer Hebrides for months now.

Watch out.

Be Alert.

Start stocking up provisions.

And pack your O.F.R.

thecatfromjapan Tue 20-Aug-13 00:16:38

hmm <--- I know that that is technically a "hmmm" face, but I am using it as a stern face. At you Vicar .

How can you be so naive? The water voles are the brains behind the whole resistance.

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Aug-13 00:50:47

i am now picturing water voles in french macs sporting french accents allo allo style.....

feesh Tue 20-Aug-13 07:31:45

TheKingAndI you do realise that this programme was probably commissioned at least 3 years ago?! YABU.

Moxiegirl Tue 20-Aug-13 07:51:16

Badgers are going to be culled? sad

HappySeven Tue 20-Aug-13 07:55:39

I'm guessing the OP knew people wouldn't agree with her but wanted to get people thinking. This is an interesting article showing how country file steers away from such issues which we assume is, at best, not to alienate people but is possibly because of the threats presenters such as Adam have had to their family since they said they believed there was a link here

There needs to be a proper debate and by people who have real data. Perhaps mumsnet isn't the place to do it but it's never wrong to try and get people to see another point of view.

Morgause Tue 20-Aug-13 07:57:29

Badger cull helps solve Bovine TB problems = Bad science.

Educate yourself, OP.

HappySeven Tue 20-Aug-13 07:58:21

I should have said that Adam didn't say there was a link but merely reported that there was to be a cull. He tried to be balanced and now Countryfile avoids the subject. That's insane and not balanced.

Morgause Tue 20-Aug-13 07:59:14
Meglet Tue 20-Aug-13 08:04:26

Yabu. Huge over thinking IMO.

Did anyone see the baby rabbits, they only need one short bf a day then the mum flounces off out again. No cluster feeding for mummy rabbits envy.

inde Tue 20-Aug-13 09:02:04

God has it really come to this. The BEEB can't even put on a programme about our national wildlife without it being considered provocative to farmers. Do you really expect them to put out a memo to the makers of autumn watch saying no badgers please it might make farmers and their wives feel guilty.
Not a dig at all farmers by the way. Many of them respect and encourage local wildlife.

Pachacuti Tue 20-Aug-13 10:08:41

The Robin Page piece about badgers being edited out of the Countryfile hedgehog piece was interesting (although he rather detracted from his main point by spending the first half of the article complaining that they hadn't asked him to be on a programme that he doesn't like and doesn't watch; under normal circumstances I might well have skipped over the rest of the article at that point).

SoniaGluck Tue 20-Aug-13 11:29:31

YABU, OP. There is another side to the argument, as you well know. As has been pointed out not all farmers agree that a cull is the way to go.

God forbid that anyone might have a different way of looking at things, though, eh?

As to looking at all the evidence Happy, why assume that people opposed to the cull haven't already done so?

And, as an aside, I am totally fed up with constant attacks on whatever the BBC does. Quite often the people who lead the attacks have an agenda as edam said.

We will be very much the poorer if ever those who don't like the BBC manage to abolish it.

PenelopePipPop Tue 20-Aug-13 12:30:01

Erm is the logic of your post seriously that if badgers are to be culled then
communication about badger behaviour should also be suppressed?

To what end? If the arguments for culling are sound it should make no difference. You seem to think everyone who has a different opinion to you holds that different opinion because they think badgers are cute. Could you be any more patronising?

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 20-Aug-13 12:42:51

There's otters in the stream behind my house.

&#916; Pointless point but I do like nature programmes.

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 20-Aug-13 12:44:59

And FYI its the foxes behind the badger propaganda, didn't any of you see The Animals of Farthing Wood?

FreckledLeopard Tue 20-Aug-13 12:48:09

Well, anything that adds additional strength to those that oppose the cull is wonderful. Perhaps the misguided science behind the proposed cull might finally be recognised and the needless destruction of wildlife shelved.

quoteunquote Tue 20-Aug-13 14:13:26

what do you think of the badger friendly milk situation

I think killing a native species because it is in the way, is undoubtedly stupid.

The Australians have learnt by their mistakes, one of their quite recent relatively was the reason the rainforest were not regenerating, was because they had persecuted the cassowary, as the rainforest had evolved with the cassowary and it's predecessors, a lot of the key plants and trees had developed so their seeds nuts only germinated if they had passed through the gut of a Cassowary,

Cassowary are very territorial and attack anything that comes into their quite large space, with their lethal spurs, they can decapitate a human with one kick, a bit of a surprise for the first Europeans,

so they have a very delicate balance to maintain, it took a long time to identify why the rain forests were not regenerating, no one realised what purpose the Cassowary were performing.

Badgers have been living in harmony on this land for longer than the humans have, there really were here first.

We don't know what the price we will pay when we eradicate them, it would be foolish to deliberately wipe them out, without knowing the full consequences.

there are two things that target and eat clegs/horseflies, an insect that causes a lot of damage to livestock, (and humans) wasps and dragonflies, we filled in all the ponds so the dragonfly's numbers have bottomed out, and we wipe out wasps nests where ever we can,

our toad and frog numbers are critical and they have a virus,

The majority of farmers and councils cut the hedges far too early, and take the berries off, so the birds are not here anymore to deal with pests.

We are all going to pay for this deliberate ignorance.

I come from farmers, I live with farmers, I live in the middle of the countryside,

This is yet another massive mistake, it is not even a solution, so there for pointless.

Leverette Tue 20-Aug-13 14:28:43

I love Chris Packham, and badgers.

Fishandjam Tue 20-Aug-13 14:36:31

YABU, for all the reasons already stated.

And bella, Chris P is emphatically not a creep. He's one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable presenters we have on TV. If anyone will ensure that the programme does not involve cute anthropomorphism, it's him. (And he looks bloody amazing for his age, not that that's relevant.)

edam Tue 20-Aug-13 16:07:47

So, OP, you admit you have vested interests but somehow think the Beeb should be a propaganda tool for your side?

And you imagine a major factual wildlife series, that has taken years to make, has been dreamed up in two months just to piss you off?

'Some of my friends work for the BBC' - is that your version of 'some of my best friends are black'? You clearly didn't ask them how long it takes to make a series...

edam Tue 20-Aug-13 16:09:47

this has been around for years but no doubt TheKingandI believes it was dreamed up yesterday to wind her up, and the creator should be drummed off the net...

Here, have my first biscuit and I live in the countryside so not a town dweller. The neighbouring farm breed cattle and they do not support the cull - they are very protective of the badger sett on their land.

bellablot Tue 20-Aug-13 22:09:36

I'm lost this a programme on badgers in general or badger culling?

It seems like two threads in one.

RubyrooUK Tue 20-Aug-13 22:41:49

YABU. And I also have a vested interest as someone who has worked with the BBC and knows how long it takes to commission, film and schedule a series.

Oh and anyway, this programme wasn't even made by the BBC. It is made by a production company called Dragonfly and apparently took them a year to film.

All of which makes it very unlikely that the BBC are deliberately running this series to goad pro-cull farmers (which as others say, is in fact not all farmers anyway).

edam Tue 20-Aug-13 22:56:23

bella, it's a programme about burrowing animals. Trailers are being broadcast now. The OP has a vested interest and wants the BBC to spread her propaganda. She somehow imagines the BBC have rushed this wildlife programme out in a couple of weeks in answer to the government's proposed badger cull.

The OP clearly didn't stop to find out about how programmes are commissioned or made, she just jumped in assuming the Beeb were out to get her personally. But never mind, apparently she has 'friends' who have worked for the Beeb who have told her it's all a plot... hmm

AnneUulmelmahay Tue 20-Aug-13 23:07:18

Edam there ain't enough hmm s in the world to express how hmm my face is wrt OP

Viviennemary Tue 20-Aug-13 23:14:19

Badgers have as much right to be on this earth as any other creature. I think those culls are horrific.

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