To not be that concerned about moving close to a traveller site?

(55 Posts)
Buddhagirl Wed 07-Aug-13 12:44:05

Me and DH are looking to buy our 1st home. The best house on the market in our price range is about 200metres away from an established mobile home, traveller site.

I'm not bothered, if you look up the crime statistics then it is not higher in that area...the house is cheap, maybe because it is near there.

I don't know, DH thinks I'm mad to want to move there, am i over looking something?

WorraLiberty Wed 07-Aug-13 12:47:20

Just do as much research as you can

See if there's a facebook page/online reviews for that area and I'm sure any problems will come to light.

Rooners Wed 07-Aug-13 12:48:43

Depends really...it may lower the resale value particularly if things deteriorate re the site.

I would not want to live too near to ours, as I've had stuff stolen before and don't enjoy locking everything up all the time.

Not to say all travellers are the same or anything.

Rooners Wed 07-Aug-13 12:49:42

Sorry I should clarify, stolen by local travellers. (or so the police told me)

chesterberry Wed 07-Aug-13 12:54:53

I think every traveller site is different, some are awful and make awful neighbours and naturally those ones get into the press. There are plenty of non-traveller families who make terrible neighbours as well.

I have previously lived near a traveller site and they were fine - sometimes the kids could be a bit of a pain, but so can kids from any family. They were no worse than any other families I've lived near (and a lot better than some).

Maybe if your husband is concerned you could try and do a bit more research into this particular travel site and whether there have been any problems with it (eg: look on local newspaper's website, ask local residents if possible) before making up your mind.

SalaciousBCrumb Wed 07-Aug-13 12:55:16

You say first home, how soon would you be looking to sell it yourself? I think (like train lines, pylons and so on) there are people out there (like yourself) willing to buy these properties, but there's a lot who aren't. You may not find it easy to sell - even if nothing changes re the site.

Buddhagirl Wed 07-Aug-13 12:58:49

Good points everyone, I've googled it and there is nothing. Apart from the council agreeing to extent it to create affordable housing.

Buddhagirl Wed 07-Aug-13 12:59:04

extend*

MiaowTheCat Wed 07-Aug-13 13:15:01

Would depend on the site and the travellers using it. I've lived near a well established one before and had no problems - the kids came and went in the local school over the course of the year, the families said hello if they saw you in the street, the kids had their first communions with the other local kids... the only problems came from the anti-traveller bigots within the local community.

But this was a very well established site used by a fairly well-integrated group within the local community as they came back to it over the winter months before travelling again over the summer year after year.

MikeOxard Wed 07-Aug-13 13:52:59

Do you and your dh live separately? If not, what's the googling for if he's already made up his mind he doesn't want to live there? You need to find a house in an agreed location where both you and your dh are happy imo.

SnoopySnoopyDoggDogg Wed 07-Aug-13 13:57:44

I'm afraid I absolutely wouldn't go near it. We have only recently turned down our otherwise dream home becasue it was half a mile from a permanant site (although in this case the crime statistcs were also refelctive of this).

I've lived close to sites in the past, without exception it was horrible. Theft, drunkeness, general anti social behaviour, fighting the list goes on.

I wish I could bring a more balanced view to the table but these are my experiences. Also, if your DH is against it then you have to accept that, your first home, or any home actually, should be a joint decision.

beaker25 Wed 07-Aug-13 14:09:48

I live about half a mile from a permanent site. Generally not a problem at all. We had a bit of a spate awhile ago of people nicking metal/ copper stuff from the front of our houses. It wasn’t actually people from the site stealing it, but they were taking it to the site to sell. We see the kids from the site around but they don’t really cause any trouble. One bonus is that we never have to take anything to the tip. We can leave old chest of drawers etc outside our flat with a note and the residents from the site will take it for scrap pretty quickly!

Where I grew up, travellers used to pitch illegally and that used to cause a lot of trouble, crime, general anti socialness etc. I’d thought a permanent site nearby would be a problem, but actually it’s fine. I think when it’s a permanent site, people don’t want to cause trouble in their own community.

It is worth considering though, that even if you’re fine with it, when you come to sell other people might not be.

BrokenSunglasses Wed 07-Aug-13 14:22:04

We have a permanent site near us. I lived here for years before I even knew it was there, and it's a sought after area where house prices are ridiculously high. We also have a low crime rate according to that police website. I know a few people that live on the site through my dcs school and because some of them work in the local shops, and they are all lovely polite people that you wouldn't know were travellers unless you were told.

But on the other hand, there is a village not too far away that has had loads of problems with the small permanent site being made bigger illegally, and the travellers there have caused a lot of trouble.

Is there anyone in the area you like that you could talk to about the travellers there? It really could be fine, or it could be hell, you just don't know.

Fairylea Wed 07-Aug-13 14:25:02

Resale value would put me off.

beaker25 Wed 07-Aug-13 14:31:30

now I think about it, I don't think the permanent site near us has much of an affect on house prices near us, it's still a sought after area with quite expensive property regardless of the site.

On the site near me, alot of the reason there's no trouble is because the head of the site is really careful to make sure the residents don't cause trouble for the rest of the community. AFAIK, if the site has a good leader, then they will make an effort to do this. Might be worth finding out if the one near where you're thinking of moving has a stong leader within it, if you can.

Viviennemary Wed 07-Aug-13 14:34:10

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole if only because of the resale value.

It's not Crays Hill (aka Dale Farm), is it? I'm from Basildon, which isn't far away, and I'm afraid I wouldn't touch that area with a bargepole.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 07-Aug-13 14:37:10

I would not do it for fear of being stuck with a house you cannot later shift for what you paid for it. Many people would not consider a house in such location. Limited potential resale market is not an attractive prospect regardless of whether or not the particular site is problematic for neighbours.

YoniMitchell Wed 07-Aug-13 14:39:53

I wouldn't. I'd be thinking to the future and how I'd sell it on.

YoniMitchell Wed 07-Aug-13 14:42:35

Plus OP, you mention council permission to extend the site? How would that impact on the property? Thinking increased pressure on local roads, amenities etc. as well as the land development.

expatinscotland Wed 07-Aug-13 14:42:36

I wouldn't because of resale value. It is cheap because they can't sell it off.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 07-Aug-13 14:46:16

I wouldn't.
Not in a million years.

MrsApplepants Wed 07-Aug-13 14:56:54

I wouldn't, it will be more difficult to sell in the future

WooWooSister Wed 07-Aug-13 14:59:38

I've worked with travellers for over a decade. As someone said upthread there are good and bad in every community, and the prejudice that travellers face is appalling. Can you imagine transposing the word traveller in this thread with any other minority group? It seems like the last bastion of acceptable discrimation and it makes me so angry angry
On a practical level, why don't you:
* visit the site and talk to the people that live there
* Talk to the people who live in the same street as the house you're considering purchasing
* look up the planning application for the extension so you can see how it is going to impact (and if the application has not been submitted yet then call the local traveller liaison officer in the Council and ask their plans for the area)
There can be quite a difference between Council sites and privately-owned sites so check the ownership of the site too, and whether travellers live there all year round or whether it's a site for the migrant community. If it's the latter then you will have vehicles moving back and forwards at different times of the year and the population numbers and behaviour may change too.

dexter73 Wed 07-Aug-13 15:11:15

I wouldn't move either. There is a permanent site 2 miles from us and every other month it is reported in the local paper that someone from the site has been arrested for various crimes like theft, gbh, possession of weapons, intimidating witnesses, etc. Most of the kids get permanently excluded from school by the time the are in yr9.

Nope, I wouldn`t buy it, I would be to worried about the resale value, it would put so many buyers off.

Irrespective of the location, I have learnt the hard way that it was a mistake to persuade DH to buy a house that he had reservations about.

Every time something negative transpires, it'll be argument ammunition. sad

zatyaballerina Wed 07-Aug-13 16:25:13

I'd talk to the locals first, any neighbour could turn out to be a nightmare and not necessarily those you would expect. Travellers have a bad reputation because a minority behave appallingly and in some places the police refuse to do anything about illegal activity because they don't want to be deemed 'racist'hmm If you have crap policing in the area it'll be a magnet for anti social types of all backgrounds and life will be shit with no force prepared or able to protect you.

Find about before you move what kind of issues are problematic in the area, don't assume anything.

liquidstate Wed 07-Aug-13 16:29:40

I live just down the road from one. To be honest apart from looking untidy, the antisocial children who like to throw stones at passing cars, the flytipping and the fact they stole machinery from my husbands farm they are no bother.

We have never been broken into but then we do not have fancy gadgets in the house (old tv and laptop), plus we have a dog. We put a big warning sign up about the dog despite the fact he is an old softy.

We till bought our house knowing the site existed.

Buddhagirl Wed 07-Aug-13 22:04:34

So hard to know, probably not worth it due to reselling. Shame though. From the crime map it's clear that there is no higher crime rate there.

Also good point about argument ammunition, if it does turn out to be a nightmare I would feel guilty.

tethersend Wed 07-Aug-13 22:11:00

Well said, WooWooSister.

Regarding crime rate, it is worth being aware that certainly in my village, I am in the minority reporting the petty theft that goes on. Most people will not bother to report crime if they think it linked to the local site as they believe the police are powerless.

I have had many many chickens stolen from my garden by people from the site. Most were stolen for sheer pleasure, and had their necks rung immediately. I know this as a boy I know goes to school with the culprits and they were openly bragging about it.

there are many people from the local site who are very pleasant. Unfortunately there is a small but persistent minority who cause endless problems locally, through the generations. They appear to have no respect for others and are mindlessly and wilfully criminal. Many people are afraid of them which is partly why they don't report crime to the police.

Charlottehere Wed 07-Aug-13 22:21:39

I live on a housing estate which backs onto a permanent traveller site. Very little trouble. Houses are up to 700,000k on here!!

runningforthebusinheels Wed 07-Aug-13 22:28:16

We have a travellers site (a tiny one) just outside our village. Its a mile away from us, and we've never known any trouble (wouldn't know it's there tbh). There are 2 large houses, with a lot of land attached, adjoining it.

One of the houses say they are no problem at all, lovely people etc. The other - well you never hear the end of it! She's claimed they put rat poison down for her dogs, leave rubbish everywhere, and has raised petitions against them, claimed her house has dropped 2/3 of it's value etc. It's strange.

But I feel v uncomfortable even posting this, as someone else said - put in the word 'jewish', 'black', 'gay' etc - and you wouldn't even be having this discussion...

BigBongTheory Wed 07-Aug-13 22:34:13

I'd consider it if it were my final house but resale would put me off.

We've lost lots of sales due to being next to ex-council, privately owned flats that have never been any trouble. We decided then we'd never buy anything which would put people off before they've even looked at it.

monkeymamma Wed 07-Aug-13 22:36:34

We live right next to one (literally over the road) and we had lived here for 11 months before I realised it was there! No downsides for me whatsoever, DS also loves their horses which are generally tethered by the road or in the field opposite our house. I don't hear of any crime, trouble etc linked to the community there.

I'm sorry folks. I can't read this thread without my blood boiling.

Insert BLACK or PAKISTANI or JEWISH or any other group in place of "travellers" - why can you not see how racist this thread is?

I cannot understand why otherise kind, normal, educated, intelligent members of society still think it is acceptable to talk like this about the travelling community.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

OK sorry, apologies to WooWoo and others posting neutral or positive views. Cross posted with many of you

alwaysinamuckingfuddle Wed 07-Aug-13 22:49:51

I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Have lived in an area with a lot of travellers previously. I wouldn't recommend it.

I realise it makes people uncomfortable to hear "wouldn't touch with a bargepole" in this context, but when you've witnessed a woman squat down and take a piss right outside the main entrance of a large and very busy Tesco, you tend to come over a bit NIMBY.

I'm only being a little facetious.

Babyroobs Wed 07-Aug-13 23:34:51

We have 2 travellers camps close to us.There has been trouble with them intimidating people and thefts. I hate driving by them watching the awful way they treat their horses- big lads racing tiny shetland ponies buckling under their weight. They race horses and carts up the lane in the dark without a thought for anyone's safety. One day I went to my local tesco Express and their was a huge Shire Horse tied up to the rail outside lol .

ComposHat Thu 08-Aug-13 00:42:35

I'm sorry folks. I can't read this thread without my blood boiling.

Insert BLACK or PAKISTANI or JEWISH or any other group in place of "travellers" - why can you not see how racist this thread is?

I cannot understand why otherise kind, normal, educated, intelligent members of society still think it is acceptable to talk like this about the travelling community.

I don't think that really a valid comparison, the term 'travellers' doesn't refer to a single ethnic group in this context, but people defined by their mode of living. The term travellers includes, Pavees, English Travellers, New Age Travellers, Romanies and Show-people.

As people who have stressed there have been positive and negative experiences and I suspect that they . There is a spotless, beautifully landscaped travellers site very close to my parents on which there is never a wiff of bother.

When working for a Youth Offending Team, I had to deal with the consequences of a really bad site primarily occupied by Irish Travellers. The site itself was rancid, theft was pretty much a way of life (anything that wasn't nailed down in local people's front gardens was nicked, pets included as was anything brass, copper or lead, with the more enterprising turning their hands to a bit of car theft on the side.

Sleepyhoglet Thu 08-Aug-13 00:46:01

I wouldn't go there OP.

It isn't really racist in my opinion, although I do understand travellers do consider themselves a race. Is about circumstances of living. Would it be racist to be put off buying a house because it backs onto a council estate? Travellers are notorious for being work shy and somewhat opinionated. I know from personal experience that their attitudes to a lot of things differ from mainstream society. For example the way in which I've seen many children being withdrawn from school. Some schools need special mediators as well.

Sleepyhoglet Thu 08-Aug-13 00:47:16

Cross post with compos. Compos you said it so much better than me as well!

Tubemole1 Thu 08-Aug-13 01:18:13

Depends on the neighbours.

IMHO is does not matter that they are travellers. When checking out a new place wherever it may be it makes sense to knock on a few doors locally to find out what the neighbourhood is like.

If you love the house, do the research before pursuing it.

raisah Thu 08-Aug-13 05:20:46

There is one about a quarter of a mile away from me and the road that it's on has had cctv fitted & regular police patrols. The residents of that particular road have formed a group to monitor & patrol their property.

I would visit the road at different times of the day/night to see what it is like, are there large groups hanging around drinking / anti social behaviour etc.
The problems in the camp near me has been the usual theft, dv, assault but recently a murder.

Another issue is that the travellers are buying derelict land turning them into sites & these smaller camps are causing the problems. They are not council owned so can't be regulated in the same way.

Where I live is fine as there are settled travellers & they are a very private community so don't mix with outsiders. The main issue in my road is that the traveller kids like to race their quad bikes up & down the road so the noise is horrendous. I was knocked off the pavement once walking with my dc & the buggy, I moved the buggy out of the way but I was too slow and they just rode past me without a glance backwards.

Bunnygotwhacked Thu 08-Aug-13 05:49:14

The one we used to live near say 10 min walk from our house was fine other than getting the scrap guys come round say twice a month peoples perception of them was much worse then they are.
In my admittedly very limited experience they like most people don't tend to shit where they eat settled community tend to be fine as they don't want trouble either.
It's the travelling travelers that people tend to be more wary of but again IME other than rubbish being left behind i have never personally had a bad experience.
I would do the above of going and having a look round the area at different times also if you have children going to talk to the mums from the local schools to see if there children have a negative impact on the school environment again never something i have experienced personally but something that would cross my mind

ll31 Thu 08-Aug-13 06:34:53

I wouldn't buy tbh,because if site enlarges unofficially which is quite likely, then you may have difficulties, as described below.

If you are concerned about seeming racist have a look at 3 or 4 nearest traveller sites to you and make your decision based on that, ie on evidence not anecdote.

Runningchick123 Thu 08-Aug-13 07:05:06

Didn't the OP say that the council was trying to extend the site for some affordable housing? If they are putting affordable housing on the site next to the travellers then house prices are likely to rise as any development in an area is good.
I find the attitude towards travellers on this thread very distasteful. People have focused on crime which insinuates that the most travellers are criminals. The OP has already stated that the crime stats for the area don't indicate any increased crime in the area.
I can understand concerns about schooling, as traveller children (who do travel) will naturally come and go during the school year which can disrupt the education of others in the class due to the teacher havng to find out where the new children are up to with their learning on a continuous basis. I would have the same concern about a school next to a major family homeless unit for the same reasons.

Instead of looking on the Internet for statistics what the OP should do is go and find out what the local community is like, not just the traveller site, but schools, shops, community spirit, transport links, social housing, leisure facilities.

Has anybody thought for one moment what it must feel like to be a traveller? Stigma and prejudice springs to my mind and it must be quite hard to feel part of a community when you are aware that people hold such views about you and your family and have no understanding of why you choose to travel.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 08-Aug-13 12:03:53

Sorry but, I agree with Compos. I'm not from this country originally. I didn't know what a traveler was before I came here. I know there are preconceptions about them, which people from here seem to be embarrassed to have. However, I don't understand why it's un-PC to notice the facts. There are traveler sites south of our town, and to a one they are tips. Massive piles of rubbish everywhere, no effort at all to bring it to the actual tip as what, it's against their way of life? They want the freedom of moving around and having other people clean up after them?

People can throw out the argument that no way would I say this about an ethnic group, but that makes no sense at all. Of COURSE I wouldn't say it about black people/ jewish people/ etc because those groups are all part of our society, and the suggestion that they're comparable is insulting. Travelers live outside the society we have in the UK- they don't want to live in a house, they don't want to pay taxes, they claim this is their heritage and people should accept it. Well, all of these services we get come from our tax money- land, income, council, etc. As a community, they do none of these things. (Yes, again, a few do hold down jobs, and even have houses, but I'm obviously not speaking about them)

I don't see why any person in the process of purchasing a house would do so knowing that a traveler site is growing nearby.

Branleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 12:15:53

maybe go and talk to the other neighbours?

flatpackhamster Thu 08-Aug-13 14:29:54

OP, The problem is not "Do you mind living there". The problem is that when you come to sell it, will it be hard to sell because of its location.

Unless you're planning to stay in the house until you die, then it's not a great buy. You should be looking for the worst house in the best area, not vice versa.

Just a gentle reminder about our talk guidelines
Thanks

burberryqueen Thu 08-Aug-13 15:11:51

if you have checked the crime statistics for the area and you are happy, go for it.

ComposHat Thu 08-Aug-13 15:15:49

You should be looking for the worst house in the best area, not vice versa

I disagree, go for the best house in the worst street and then you can lord it over the neighbours.

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