...preparing for a flaming......aibu to not understand why everyone hates The Daily Mail?

(138 Posts)
mameulah Tue 06-Aug-13 21:46:59

That's it.

I don't get what the problem is?

Chubbymomie2012 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:51:57

watching with interest :-)

Anniegetyourgun Tue 06-Aug-13 21:52:33

It's a horrible hate-filled hypocritical rag, that's why. Next!

Two words - Lucy Meadows.

acrabadabra Tue 06-Aug-13 21:54:19

Me too. grin

<too bad I don't got popcorn>

AnythingNotEverything Tue 06-Aug-13 21:54:22

Do you read it?

foslady Tue 06-Aug-13 21:54:35

What nailed it for me was when their front page headline was along the lines of 'what benefit Britain means'....and it was a picture of Mick Philpott the day after he'd been found guilty.

Thanks. Really DM. Good to know you consider me the same as a murderer who has no conscience.

WorraLiberty Tue 06-Aug-13 21:56:21

Most tabloids are crap

The Daily Fail is apparently crappier than crap

I don't know, I don't read any newspapers...I get my news updates from the BBC.

I do wish for the love of all things holy, people would stop moaning about the Daily Fail though.

They probably get half their online readership through Mumsnet alone.

Bogeyface Tue 06-Aug-13 21:58:05

Because it caters exclusively to the monied middle Englanders that believe the immigrants, single mothers, benefit claimants, the disabled, children of single mothers, mothers who work, mothers who dont work, the low paid and anyone who isnt sitting on a wodge of equity and a final salary pension to be root of "Broken Britain". The DM then writes all its articles in order to uphold those beliefs.

Some say ignorance is bliss. I say that ignorance is what you get after reading the DM.

Artijoke Tue 06-Aug-13 21:59:12

Read 'Flat Earth News'. It's a book by a journo about journalism. It tells a horrific tale about the Daily Mail and how it seeks stories to suit its own agenda which is basically that only white, middle class families matter. The DM news room heard of a murder in the Midlands, while family slain in their beds, they immediately dispatched a journalist to cover said story. When he was on the train he got a call from the Editir who told him to come home: it turned out the dead family were not white, the DM wouldn't be covering the killing.

Bogeyface Tue 06-Aug-13 21:59:17

They probably get half their online readership through Mumsnet alone. Thats why a lot of MNers wont click on a DM link. They are often used because they are one of the few papers that doesnt charge to read it online, for a very good reason........

ICBINEG Tue 06-Aug-13 22:00:38

I hate the DM because it is full of lies....and I hate lies passed off as truth.

I flicked open a copy by mistake at my DGM's and found an article about how a woman had had a boob job to go from a 32A to a 36DD....yup that's right according to the DM a boob job changes your rib cage size.

I don't imagine for one second that this rate of factual inaccuracy in not representative for whole shit pile.

Shy wouldn't you hate that?

WorraLiberty Tue 06-Aug-13 22:01:57

I know what you're saying Bogeyface but often the MNetters who are adamant they don't read it, are the ones who seem to know the most about it...all the current stories etc wink

I don't give a shite what people read, but why not be honest?

The "Oh I read it a PIL's house/at the hairdressers/Doctor's surgery"...it's all a bit crap really grin

chihiro Tue 06-Aug-13 22:03:50

Because they deliberately appeal to people's basest prejudices, then seek to confirm and strengthen those prejudices. You could argue that all newpapers do this up to a point, but the mail does it to a terrifying degree from what I have read in it.

Artijoke Tue 06-Aug-13 22:05:00
KentishWine Tue 06-Aug-13 22:06:44

Aside from their editorial policy, which is to spread hatred and misunderstanding, they have a horrendously misogynistic view of women.
They think that:
Women who have children too young are morally corrupt
Women who have children too late are selfish
Women who don't ever have children are not real women
Women who leave their children in day care are heartless
Madonna is the devil (she is 50+ and wears 'sexy' clothes)
Young celebs breasts are public property

thismousebites Tue 06-Aug-13 22:07:45

Apparantly, going by MN rules, reading the Guardian is just as bad.
Would be interested to know what newspapers are seen as acceptable.

McNewPants2013 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:07:50

I like reading the daily fail links, it makes me laugh at the crap that they print.

Don't believe any of the stories in there.

Saffyz Tue 06-Aug-13 22:08:10

The DM is self-righteous, sexist and narrow-minded.

daisychain01 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:09:30

I read the Daily Wail at the weekend, but I also read the Times and the Guardian - howzat for a balanced journalistic diet?!

I tend to read all newspapers with an open, sceptical and cynical mind and base my opinion on multiple sources of information.

Alternatively I read some articles and just laaaaaarf at the crapinola staring out at me on the page. Who actually cares if Simon Cowell has made some bird preggers, bovvered??? Mee??

I also like the Daily Wail because I collect the Reward Points and get a nice £25 voucher through the post from time to time!

gordyslovesheep Tue 06-Aug-13 22:09:34

it's only poverty of aspiration if you think aspiration is only about money and material possessions - maybe people have different aspirations

PiratePanda Tue 06-Aug-13 22:10:19

Because they are engaged in a weird quest in order to divide all the worlds objects into things that cause cancer and things that cure cancer.

Oh, and because they have an unbelievably misogynistic agenda.

gordyslovesheep Tue 06-Aug-13 22:10:30

Oh FFS MN I did not even open this thread let alone intend to post that! what th fuck happened!!!!!!!

wanderings Tue 06-Aug-13 22:11:27

They make a huge effort to appear plausible and serious (just as the likes of Tony Blair and other liars do, and have done for generations).

It's when you start reading it regularly, and comparing it with other newspapers, that you start noticing their agenda.

Make people angry over their morning cornflakes. "Serial killer is spared jail for the third time."

Lots of statistics distorted, or probably made up on the spot.

They tell you about mansions for sale "for a cool £55 million". What for? To make everyone green with envy, and even angrier into their cornflakes.

You frequently hear the value of somebody's house, even if it has no apparent relevance to the article concerned. I guess it's so that readers can work out how high that person is in the pecking order.

You might hear a balanced debate on the radio in the morning. Then as you enter a shop, you'll see a DM headline screaming one side of the debate very loudly indeed.

This summer, we have gone from "Where did the heatwave go?????" to "Prepare to roast until the end of August".

What is more notable is what they DON'T tell you. For example, the murder mentioned by Artijoke.

(Funny how there has been no mention of drought this summer, not even by the DM!)

JumpingJackSprat Tue 06-Aug-13 22:11:30

I dont read it since i saw a story about a child hit by a car and they had a photo of her being worked on by the paramedics. they dont give a fuck how they get peoples attention. The story accompanying the photo was full of tributes because the girl died. made me want to throw up and ive not touched it or clicked on it since and i judge anyone that does.

Anniegetyourgun Tue 06-Aug-13 22:12:05

Has anyone linked the song yet?

Patchouli Tue 06-Aug-13 22:12:14

The scaremongering bugs me.
My MIL reads it. She's always going on about how scarey GM food is etc

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 06-Aug-13 22:14:02
Bogeyface Tue 06-Aug-13 22:14:22

artijoke that is a fascinating article that proves everything I have ever suspected about DM.

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 06-Aug-13 22:14:42

x-post Annie grin

WafflyVersatile Tue 06-Aug-13 22:14:53

They are trolls, effectively. Half their advertising revenue must come from people clicking on links in order to be disgusted at them. The ones that aren't disgusted presumably agree with them which isn't really what you want in a society that isn't filled with hatred for your fellow human.

gordyslovesheep Tue 06-Aug-13 22:15:26

long but worth watching

(right thread this time)

Punkatheart Tue 06-Aug-13 22:15:58

I have met and talked to many many Daily Mail journos. I would never read it. I know their ethos from the inside. I am a liberal, beardy, kind nature-loving gal - with a bit of fury still inside me from my earlier anarchist days.

Well maybe not the beard - which would upset The Mail - as I am a single mum who does not work (except a bit of decent journalism) and has had a child out of wedlock. The fact that I have cancer and my very successful partner left me would be ignored, if I was a statistic for them...

softlysoftly Tue 06-Aug-13 22:16:49

I don't like the DM though I'll admit to checking it online and finding it a bit readable like chat

BUT I hate the vitriol thrown at readers, the gross generalisations that they are all prejudiced and evil. Why are generalisations Ok here and not anywhere else? Is that not just as bad?

My DM reads the DM she very much loves her mixed race GDCs Thankyou very much, and her family who grew up sharing a tiny terraced house between 10 of them and my DGD who after being a miner wasn't a great provider.

She doesn't fit your damn generalisations but you would categorise and vilify her in the street due to her chosen reading material.

Can't believe people can't see the irony in that.

Anniegetyourgun Tue 06-Aug-13 22:17:13


ProphetOfDoom Tue 06-Aug-13 22:18:31

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OutragedFromLeeds Tue 06-Aug-13 22:19:02

'vilify her in the street'

Has that ever, ever, ever happened? Vilified in the street? Really? I think cats bum mouth is more mumsnet style tbh.

bearleftmonkeyright Tue 06-Aug-13 22:20:05

The reporting of the Philpott case. I did complain to the pcc about that. Op yabu, you know damn well why people find the daily mail a grubby shitty excuse for a paper.

Artijoke Tue 06-Aug-13 22:20:30

Softly, who on earth 'vilifies DM readers in the street'? People vilify the paper, nobody here had vilified the readers.

Chubbymomie2012 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:20:51

OK. so I do read it, not everyday but somedays. its easy to read but recently i have seriously questioned its stance on certain things.


what other papers do u read instead????

helenafalco Tue 06-Aug-13 22:21:18

Used to read it in my younger days umtil I realised it was talking about me not to me. Now I do judge when I see anyone engrossed in the filth

helenafalco Tue 06-Aug-13 22:21:37


bearleftmonkeyright Tue 06-Aug-13 22:22:24

Also the suicide recently of a teacher due to their "news" reporting.

gordyslovesheep Tue 06-Aug-13 22:22:46
capitola Tue 06-Aug-13 22:23:41

It's misogynistic, but even worse imo, it seems to employ people with a poor grasp of literacy to write its on-line version, or has not a single proof reader.

SleepyCatOnTheMat Tue 06-Aug-13 22:23:43

The Daily Mail supported supported Fascism in the 1930s. Some would argue it's not changed much since.

FanjoForTheMammaries Tue 06-Aug-13 22:23:57

Lol at 'vilified in the street'

I might vilify the people who make a living selling such shite but just mainly feel sorry for the sheeple who lap up the bile or dont see how harmful it is (my mum reads it, I hardly vilify her)

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 06-Aug-13 22:25:13

Might be something to do with the ignorant, hateful and frequently racist headlines and journalists they employ.


Yabu if you can't see that.

GinOnTwoWheels Tue 06-Aug-13 22:26:34

Yes Matilda, a large proportion of their stories are criticising women in a way that men would never be criticised. Everything from weight, looks, work or not, shopping habits etc etc etc.

They write complete bullshit about immigrants, public sector workers, cyclist and probably loads of other groups.

What I find particularly baffling is why it is so popular amongst older women like my mother.

IDontBowlOnShabbos Tue 06-Aug-13 22:27:43

I used to read it online sometimes but I found it really depressing and contradictory.
Just one example, a piece about anorexia. It was quite well written, went into how the young child felt pressured to look a certain way by society, so far so normal. But if you looked to the right on the 'side bar of shame' it was basically all pictures of young women in the public eye and the 'stories' were basically picking them apart for how they looked!

I don't judge people who read it though, just chose to ignore it myself.

CharlieAlphaKiloEcho Tue 06-Aug-13 22:32:07

I have first hand experience about how the DM will twist a story to suit their hate campaigns.

My DD was involved in an incident that they jumped on and twisted adding in racially linked words to sir it up. They made barely any mention of the victims involved as it didn't serve to enrage people enough clearly. Instead the entire 'story' was about the perpetrator and his supposed race that they were implying.

I will never ever read or click any of the utter crap they write.

I'm not sure that other papers are all the perfect but the Fail seems to care so little about using innocent minors in an attempt to spread hate.

softlysoftly Tue 06-Aug-13 22:33:42

Ok I may have gone a leeetle overboard. But there are many many times on here The readers not the paper are attacked.

It's not right.

<<crosses arms>>

squoosh Tue 06-Aug-13 22:35:11

Yup, the side bar of shame sums it up. A list of 50 or 60 celeb stories, 99% of them discussing a female celebrity's body, too fat, too thin, too much cellulite, no makeup, too much makeup, divorced, flaunting her curves. And they're not beyond salacious articles about under ages girls in bikinis.

Plus they're racist and I hate ALL their columnists. A lot.

I try hard not to read it but sometimes I crumble.

Didactylos Tue 06-Aug-13 22:36:17

Currently - Melanie Phillips, Liz Jones, Samantha Brick and the sidebar of shame plus
the daily mail oncological ontology project

Historically - facism, hitler and the blackshirts, Lord Rothmere and the publication of the Zinoviev letters

Its a source of continued outrage that just keeps on giving

Didactylos Tue 06-Aug-13 22:37:27

I havent said a word about the mouth breathing knuckledraggers that read it either.....wink

It is a bile inducing hate filled woman hating almost EDL like rag of the worst order. I can't formulate highly intelligent educated sentences like most here but by god I LOATHE the DM.

oh, and the "sidebar of shame". It is always, always women.

FutureNannyOgg Tue 06-Aug-13 22:40:08
x2boys Tue 06-Aug-13 22:41:06

I actually read the daily mail but they are very right winged and i believe they think their readership consists of upper middle class people who believe having to resort to austerity measures means yikes taking there children out of private school and sending them to some shock horror comprehensive probably some nice leafy comprehensive with educated working parents,and down grading there house from some large 4/5 bedroom detached house to a nice semi on a good estate but then again I think the BBC is very biased towards the labour party horse for courses

FanjoForTheMammaries Tue 06-Aug-13 22:41:37

TooOLd, loathing the DM is a very intelligent position to hold grin

PasswordProtected Tue 06-Aug-13 22:42:58

It is a tabloid. It is sensationalist, or so it thinks. The writing is poor, from a language point of view. It appears to cater for the American market.

ExcuseTypos Tue 06-Aug-13 22:44:45

It is a bile inducing hate filled woman hating almost EDL like rag of the worst order. I can't formulate highly intelligent educated sentences like most here but by god I LOATHE the DM.

You've hit the nail right on the head there TooOld.

kim147 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:45:02

Sidebar of shame

Calling BBC misogynists when the DM represents mysogyny at its worst.

Its attitude towards people who are different.

Obsessing with women and appearance. Tellling women how they should behave and look like but not doing that for men.

Paul Dacre

Its hatred of people who aren't them.

Its obsession with trans stories - but it's got better recently.

kim147 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:46:29

Richard Littlejohn

Samantha Brick
Liz Jones

It uses vulnerable people and allows others a mouthpiece without thinking of the consequences.

squoosh Tue 06-Aug-13 22:47:23

The print version of the Daily Mail and the DM website are very different things (although both equally awful). The print version is still very much about Mighty England whereas the website is completely geared to a more American market, I've never heard of half the 'celebs' they mention.

I read the Mail 30 odd years ago, during the Falklands War as my landlord took the Telegraph at home. The Mail would make me cry over my lunch, but I would get home and read the same story in the telegraph without crying.

I realised I was being manipulated.

Clever me.

mameulah Tue 06-Aug-13 22:51:05

Well, I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with the vast majority of your feedback.

All I can add, that hasn't already been mentioned...I really like their WEEKEND supplement thingy. In particular their 'soap saga' bit and the recipes at the back.

And, for the record, I am DEFINITELY NOT from 'middle money' England.

Dominodonkey Tue 06-Aug-13 22:58:08

The DM (in some ways) is no worse than many other papers. It does distort stories but so do others. The Mirror distorts to the left. And the Express is a sensationalist joke but neither gets the flack that the Mail does.

I think it is because The Mail has delusions of grandeur, it thinks it's for the intelligent middle classes but is actually read by aspirational working classes for the most part. It is also very factually inaccurate to the extent of making me seriously question the intelligence and knowledge of those who edit the website.

Undertone Tue 06-Aug-13 23:04:11

Thy publish and stand by e.g. Samantha Brick's column today which belittled rape threats. Apparently women just need to man up and get back in the kitchen.

They publish articles like this to cause outrage and drive click rates which boost their advertising revenue.

Thus not only are they airing extreme views in mass media, therefore removing a layer of critical skepticism about whether the view is legitimate, but they are also trivialising the issue itself (as a driver of income and not something that is affecting real people).

Most defences ("oh i don't read the trashy bits, or the columnists with which you take issue") don't address that selecting to ignore the damaging parts doesn't make the damnedest bit of difference to the whole.

If you love someone who is gay, and you're a DM reader, and you can look your friend in the eye and say you're ok with what Jan Moir said about Stephen Gateley... no sorry that would never happen.

I read Daily Mail articles so I know what the enemy is. People who say "meeeeeeeegh you're a DM reader because YOU READ AN ARTICLE on the website"... do i even have to explain my line of reasoning?

quesadilla Tue 06-Aug-13 23:04:54

The Daily Mail is bigoted, sexist and uses some very unethical tactics to get stories. It also appeals to a nasty, small minded type of person. I consider it -- on balance -- a force for bad.

And yet... There is something in the foaming at the mouth hysteria it generates in a certain sort of person which I think is almost as bad. There's a particular section of the smug liberal left for whom obsessing about the Mail is a type of blood sport and its faintly unhealthy. It is only a newspaper and there are others out there if you don't like it.

Undertone Tue 06-Aug-13 23:06:13

Oh FFS this is just a trolling thread. It wasn't about our opinions at all it was a plant to promote their fucking magazine.

Undertone Tue 06-Aug-13 23:10:32

OP doesn't care about what we actually think because it's a marketing ploy to bring attention to their WEEKEND supplement thingy. In particular their 'soap saga' bit and the recipes at the back

FUCK OFF. I do stuff like this for a living and at least i don't have the indecency to do it here.

And this is doubly offensive because you're effectively saying "yeah who cares about morals and stuff but AT LEAST YOU CAN READ ABOUT SOAPS AND TUCKING RECIPES because that's all we're good for isn't it, Daily Mail? Let's keep us in our place, eh?

ExcuseTypos Tue 06-Aug-13 23:14:33

Well I hope they have got the message loud and clear that's it a crop of shite. Especially the weekend supplement. It's like the Express only even more boring.

MacaYoniandCheese Tue 06-Aug-13 23:15:32

OFGS. The Daily Mail doesn't really count as a 'newspaper' does it? shock. It's absolutely farcical and you'd have to be brain dead to take anything in there seriously. It's silly entertainment and some of the commenters are hilarious. I enjoy it immensely but get my legitimate news elsewhere.

Xiaoxiong Tue 06-Aug-13 23:16:16

Because I know people who write for both the DM and Mail Online (they're actually not the same, Paul Dacre is the DM editor, Martin Clarke is the Mail Online publisher, and most of the online content is never published in the print edition) who openly admit that they are pressured to take contrarian positions with no evidence, make things up, exaggerate, or find ways to sex things up. And if they don't they find that someone else has done it for them between filing a story and seeing it online or in print.

Mail Online in particular is basically a troll site masquerading as news.

LovelyMarchHare Tue 06-Aug-13 23:16:54

Wasn't there also a story about them running a story about Stephen Lawrence (eg not such an innocent victim after all type of shit) shortly after his death and then Paul Dacre realising that Neville Lawrence had done some decorating round at his house and, wow, he was actually alright and so the murdered son might not actually be a criminal after all?

Ironically the only good thing the Daily Mail has ever done is push for justice for Stephen Lawrence but the way in which they got to the true story is typical of their knee jerk right wing reactions to everything.

LovelyMarchHare Tue 06-Aug-13 23:19:28

What I mean is that their assumption initially was that a young black man couldn't simply be a victim (which is typical of the DM mentality).

Xiaoxiong Tue 06-Aug-13 23:26:28

And to the troll hunters on this thread, mameulah has been around for a while, she ain't a troll.

ouryve Tue 06-Aug-13 23:27:18

If you don't know by now, you never will, OP.


BrokenSunglasses Wed 07-Aug-13 00:03:56

I'm probably not far off the DMs target audience, but just about every article I have read from them has either caused me to feel irritated or has had me looking like this hmm for its sheer ridiculousness.

It really is utter tripe. But maybe they do manage a half decent weekend supplement.

I read news on the BBC website or the sky news app.

Edendance Wed 07-Aug-13 00:11:33

I really like it too...

I don't agree with a lot of things people say it promotes so maybe I'm just not that brain washable... hmm

piprabbit Wed 07-Aug-13 00:19:24

I used to read the Daily Mail, back in the days when the decent papers were broadsheet format and I wanted to be able to read on the train. It seemed to have more print content than many of the other tabloids and would actually keep me reading for several stations.

Then I thought about what I was reading and how reading the DM always made me feel bad about my life choices, because it really didn't matter what or how I chose to live my life - I would always find other women in the DM being judged and found wanting by the DM. I realised that the health and science information they print is (to be frank) piss poor and generally downright misleading. That they will kick people and organisations (the NHS, benefits claimants) because they like a lazy, stereotypical story - not because the facts support the kickings they dole out.

So I stopped reading any papers at all until the Independent came out in tabloid format. Now I mostly buy the 20p I if I want some puzzles and a bit of news.

itchyandscratchy26 Wed 07-Aug-13 00:35:53

I HATE the DM with a passion so severe that I would wipe my arse with it, we're it not the fact that Andrex is softer.
This 'paper' has an editorial policy to undermine, slag off and bash doctors, especially GPs at every opportunity. The DM has started and perpetuated the myth that your average GP earns £250k for working 9-5 and gleefully prints daily tails of my cancer was missed by my shit GP, and repeat ad-nauseun. This rag is the voice piece of the current government, the press office of which steers the anti-NHS headlines to suit whatever agenda they have that week.

everlong Wed 07-Aug-13 01:35:14

Cannot understand how anyone can read it and say they like it enjoy it etc.

Absolutely don't get it.

justanuthermanicmumsday Wed 07-Aug-13 01:48:21

I agree with poster "anniegetyourgun"its a hate-filled hypocritical rag, that and it's not journalism so why pay for it.

my 6 year old can tell me,the news headline more intelligently without that trash, she just tunes in to Bbc world service at breakfast time.

Catsize Wed 07-Aug-13 05:28:19

It fuels hatred and prejudice.
And a friend who used to work there told alarming tales of the selection of stories, the bigotry and prejudice.
The only thing going for it is that it has a nice typeface.

exoticfruits Wed 07-Aug-13 05:57:03

I agree that it fuels hatred and prejudice - it is deeply depressive, and if you believed half of it and you would want to emigrate. I also find it very hypocritical.
I stopped reading it years ago over the story of some poor murdered prostitute who was a young and troubled girl. They were advocating 'tough' love - basically you love your child if they do as you tell them, otherwise you withhold the love until they do do as you tell them!
Just little things irritate me, I saw it yesterday as my mother has it, I can't remember the story but one party refused to comment - but, according to the Mail,they refused to comment 'from their house worth £250,000'.

itchyandscratchy26 Wed 07-Aug-13 06:50:45

Eeeewwwww that's another thing exotic, they always do that! e.g "little jimmy's grief stricken parents are believed to be staying at their £350,000 house in the Cotswolds" or insert done other comment. What point are they trying to make with these snide extra details?

ComposHat Wed 07-Aug-13 07:11:23

Because they are engaged in a weird quest in order to divide all the worlds objects into things that cause cancer and things that cure cancer.

That really made me guffaw!

Guerrillacrochet Wed 07-Aug-13 07:16:44

There was a great article in the New Yorker about the DM last year that is really worth a read:
Gives a great external perspective. One bit that stuck in my head about Paul Dacre is that he uses the word cunt so often in his editorial meetings they've been nicknamed 'the vagina monologues'. Says everything really.

MrsPatrickDempsey Wed 07-Aug-13 07:35:44

About two weeks ago the DM reported on a medical case. I was actually present at the inquest and when I read the DM account, questioned whether I had actually been in the right case! There were some inaccuracies but it was the level of assumption and the conclusions drawn from thin air that were shocking. The thing is, some people will use this as the basis of their knowledge without questioning it.

Lazyjaney Wed 07-Aug-13 07:49:08

They probably get half their online readership through Mumsnet alone

True Dat.

KingRollo Wed 07-Aug-13 08:00:47

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theodorakisses Wed 07-Aug-13 08:44:57

I don't like it, I regularly police it and report to PCC, have had 2 upheld. That said, I have also had one Guardian and one Independent upheld as well (is upheld the right terminology? I mean they agreed with me).

I will freely admit in the spirit of honesty, I hate them, evil shitty bastards but I do read it online, along with the Guardian which is also free. I don't think it has brainwashed me, for the stuff like big brother and horoscopes it is readable. My in laws read it and do believe it, they also read the Sun and Star and believe those, that is the danger. (I think a lot of people do secretly read it like me, if nothing else, it is probably the easiest and most pleasant to use website, if the others were of the same simpleton design, they would be more successful)

theodorakisses Wed 07-Aug-13 08:47:15

And I report reader comments such as this one, about a guy who proposed to his girlfriend in public and she said no:

Good. Getting married is a vile thing to do and I will never do it. I like to own my own house, thank you - and I like to be able to yell "GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!" at my ladies when I'm done with them.
- Pyewacket , Hampshire, United Kingdom, 07/8/2013 02:30

Dackyduddles Wed 07-Aug-13 08:58:15

You read it? You believe it? You repeat it in public?

It's hate filled mysoginistic (argh spelling?!?) bigoted right wing white superior scare mongering benefit bashing unquestioning cant think for themselves privileged tosh.

And to be truthful (and I realise potentially very hurtful) is how I expect readers of it to act/think. It ultimately makes me very sad. The sun for all its idiocy doesn't make me feel that visceral about it.

Dackyduddles Wed 07-Aug-13 08:59:59

Oh gosh yes liz jones. Who can actually make me ashamed of being female as she spouts such banal vacuous tripe like its a 'female' opinion.

theodorakisses Wed 07-Aug-13 09:06:05

Yes I read it, along with most of the people on this forum. Of course I don't bloody believe it, I am not thick. I just think if you do look at it for any reason, at least bloodywell admit it. Lot's of hypocrisy on here.

TiggyD Wed 07-Aug-13 09:06:07

It's by far the clearest, easiest to read and most attractive paper there is in my opinion. The problem is what it says.
"Comedian gets 40,000 complaints so must be sacked!" says the Mail.
Then a columist of theirs gets a similar amout for homophobic comments and they do nothing.
Then another one of their columists comes out with transphobic comments about a person who then kills herself causing over 250,000 complaints and they do nothing. They're going on and on about trolls at the moment. Trolls on the internet are bad, but they seem to be fine if they work for a newspaper.
They also go on and on about banning pornography while at the same time publishing picture after picture of semi-naked models and actresses.
They say "No long lens pap shots in this paper!" then do it anyway.
Sometimes they put pictures of "bikini clad beauties" in for absolutely no reason. "Claudia Bloggs has difficulty with her costume!" it cries online, followed by 5 pictures of a model adjusting her very small bikini.

TiggyD Wed 07-Aug-13 09:07:05

I always assume threads like this are put up by people who work at rival papers, for a laugh.

theodorakisses Wed 07-Aug-13 09:07:09

Luckily my in laws are so thick that they don't really get most of it, the Sun is their bible.

larrygrylls Wed 07-Aug-13 09:14:45

I don't think the DM is particularly bad. It reflects its readership's views as does every other newspaper to a greater or lesser extent. Anyone who believes the Guardian to be a purveyor of unvarnished and unnuanced truth is as gullible as a Sun reader believing the same. The broadsheets are in general a little subtler and the red tops unbelievably blatant, with the Mail and the Express somewhere in the middle.

Personally I read the Times (mainly for the cryptic Xword and killer Doku) but I also read Private Eye and its "Street of Shame" column to keep me suitably cynical about all papers. Love reading the DM when it is lying in a coffee shop, though...

KingRollo Wed 07-Aug-13 09:18:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Branleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 09:35:10

If someone cant see what the problem with the DM is, then theyre probably part of the problem.

Its the most vile hatred spewing shitrag there is

theodorakisses Wed 07-Aug-13 09:40:32

I don't think many people would disagree with branleuse, still most people seem to access tbe site

Boosterseat Wed 07-Aug-13 09:45:52

They hate women
They hate aging women
They hate young women who aren't sexy/slags or z list celebs
They hate women who work
They hate women who have kids
They hate women who dont have kids
They hate women who "let themselves go"
They hate women who achieve intellectual success
They hate porn because it competes with the sidebar of shame


BigcatLittlecat Wed 07-Aug-13 09:48:24

It is just a load of rubbish! Peddling lies! But people must buy it as it is the most popular daily paper!

TiggyD Wed 07-Aug-13 09:49:24

The Mail online today:
"Jennifer's Top flys low" and "Jennifer Hudson shows off her ample cleavage" A story about a woman with a low top that shows a lot of chesty substances.

"Enjoying the view?...Toni Garrn shows off her model figure in a black bikini" A story about Leo Decap's girlfriend wearing a bikini.

"Selena Gomez shows off her pins" You can see a model's legs when she's modelling.

Tulisa wears leather miniskirt to friend's party. Lots of pictures.

"Could this be the answer to sunburn?" With picture of lady in bikini rubbing lotion onto skin.

Jenna Dewan-Tatum "Flaunts her thin pins" (by wearing a skirt)

Chelsee Healey wears minidress to her 25th party. Lots of pictures.

"Bikin-clad model Leilane Dowding parades her incredible figure" by wearing a bikini on a beach and on a jetski. Lots of pictures.

"Kirstan Dunst shows off her super-toned physique in tight black gym gear." - Actress leaves gym not wearing a duffel coat.

Another "ample cleavage" actress.

Another "plunging white swimsuit" reality star.

Somebody"...shows off her fabulous legs..."

Another "....displays her toned midriff..."

"...Showing off her jaw-dropping cleavage..."

"...Toned midriff..."

"...shows off her svelte figure..."

"...shows off her fresh tan and endless legs..."

"...bares her toned midriff..."

They really do like midriffs at the mail don't they? All those quotes are from the lines accompanying photos of attractive female celebs. And we go on...

"Female lawyer swaps her wig and gown for a bikini..."

"...shows her racy side in plunging dress..."

"...shows of her 63-year-old bikini body..."

"...she dares to bare in sheer..."

"...photo of her pert bikini-clad behind..."

"Charlie Sheen poses with 3 topless women..."

"...is loud and proud...in a skin tight mini and thigh high boots..."

"...push up bra that can give anyone a cleavage..."

"...shows off her sensational swimsuit body..."

"Rihanna just covers her chest in jewelled bikini..."

Acrtess "...flashes some side-boob..."

Actor "...shows off ripped abs and bulging biceps as he joins male topless selfie trend..."

"...shows off her dancer's legs in tight trousers..."

"...covers up her bombshell curves..." Don't worry! The Mail put an older picture up as well to remind you of what whoever it was' bombshell curves look like!

Actress "...shows off her sensational figure..."

"...flashes skin..."

"...pants that will give you curves like Kim..." With pictures of Kim showing her curves...


CelticPromise Wed 07-Aug-13 09:55:30

And MMR, don't forget that.

I hate them.

I love the Guardian though, bad spelling and all grin grin

clarequilty Wed 07-Aug-13 10:14:04

I am a journalist, although not at this end of the market, but I do have a couple of acquaintances who have worked for the Mail.

It's worth remembering it is not a newspaper. It is an editorial sheet. As such it is not really in its remit to report news in an unbiased manner.

It is an irritant, and very good at it. It is as much designed to outrage as it is to win nods of assent.

For exampleDo you honestly think Samantha Brick is ingenuous?

Its majority readership is women, split 5:3 between the ABC1/C2DE demo.

It is very good at what it does (sell newspapers by winding up its audience and drive traffic to its U.S.-focused website) and wins copious awards.

I'm not sure what the problem is? To anyone with even a halfarsed education it is obvious it is biased, so it can be ignored if your quest is for spot news.

PiratePanda Wed 07-Aug-13 10:14:25

TiggyD, when you put it like that.... OMG what a vile piece of steaming online turd. Reading it is like drinking poison to kill off any shred of self-respect or self-esteem you once had.

clarequilty Wed 07-Aug-13 10:18:05

Pirate, just out of interest, why is your self esteem reduced after reading it. Why does it have that power?

HilariousLotus Wed 07-Aug-13 10:23:08
PiratePanda Wed 07-Aug-13 10:26:39

It's not, Clare, because I don't read it. But then you don't get why the DM is a problem, so I don't have much faith in your ability to put yourself in the shoes of the many millions of women who ARE affected by this kind of bilge.

clarequilty Wed 07-Aug-13 10:30:31

Yes, but why does a newspaper or a magazine or an advert have any power to affect your self esteem? It's a genuine question.

I am able to try to put myself into another person's shoes. I would just like someone to explain how the process of exogenous imagery informs a person's identity.

Unless we are all narcissists....(another debate worth having)

SofiaVagueara Wed 07-Aug-13 10:34:00

I can't stand the Daily Mail. It's full of crap and the comments section is full of reactionary nutters. Rabid loony right wingers and woman haters.

But I think that Mumsnet is the opposite end of the same battery.

It is also full of reactionary nutters. Rabid loony left wingers and man haters.

kim147 Wed 07-Aug-13 12:36:02

It's hypocritical - the headline today is complaining about the trolls who have cyberbullied children leading to them committing suicide.

That is a good headline.

Why can't the DM look at itself and its actions and just have a think about what they write and how that affects real people?

It's hypocritical.

LazyMonkeyButler Wed 07-Aug-13 12:48:33

It takes the hoiking of judgey-pants to a whole new level.

Everything is the direct fault of an "immigrant" (illegal if possible - although I suspect someone at the DM thinks all immigrants are illegal).

Nice women stay at home baking cakes & nurturing their DCs - however, they are also being selfish for not contributing financially to the household income. If they work, they are lazy & only doing so to avoid raising their own children.

Anyone who has ever claimed any sort of benefit is scum & undoubtedly "on the fiddle".

Need I go on?

Sallyingforth Wed 07-Aug-13 12:51:40

The Sun has just started charging for on-line access, so you can't post links to it any more.
I'm hoping that the Mail will follow suit very soon.

nennypops Wed 07-Aug-13 12:56:08

I don't think the DM is particularly bad. It reflects its readership's views as does every other newspaper to a greater or lesser extent.

But how can any journo live with the fact that their writing attracts people with the sort of views expressed on MailOnline? Seriously, I've seen comments rejoicing at the death of children because they were asylum seekers. Despite the fact that their rules forbid racism, their moderators seem entirely happy to let overtly racist comments be published. To say nothing of the very sad misogynists who never miss an opportunity to slag off women, and the damaged types who salivate over the notion of corporal punishment for children.

As for that Littlejohn column where he said that the deaths of five murdered prostitutes really didn't matter: how can anyone bear to be associated with a paper which thinks it's OK even to print that, let alone to continue to pay a fortune to the piece of scum who churned out?

BIWI Wed 07-Aug-13 12:57:58

Anyone with half a brain should be able to read what is written in the Daily Mail and work out why it's dangerous shit.

clarequilty Wed 07-Aug-13 13:17:39

It's only dangerous shit to people with half a brain

Babouche Wed 07-Aug-13 13:26:50

DM is lightweight rubbish.
I occasionally read it coffee shops etc and after a few pages it just irritates me.The opinion columnists in particular come across as being narrow minded.
So many reasons not to read it.
I much prefer the Times.

Quenelle Wed 07-Aug-13 13:33:23

Because it encourages otherwise sane and reasonable people like my parents and my ILs to come out with statements like:

We can't even give a child a cuddle any more.
Well of course Big Ears was banned from the Noddy stories.
Men aren't allowed in playgrounds unaccompanied nowadays.
What is wrong with voting UKIP?
A woman who accuses Rolf Harris of rape must be lying.
Well your uncle is lucky because he has that mobility car - I can't have a mobility car - and he doesn't have to queue to go up the Eiffel Tower.

ComposHat Wed 07-Aug-13 13:56:18

They hate women
They hate aging women
They hate young women who aren't sexy/slags or z list celebs
They hate women who work
They hate women who have kids
They hate women who dont have kids
They hate women who "let themselves go"
They hate women who achieve intellectual success
They hate porn because it competes with the sidebar of shame

All true and yet its readership is mostly female. It is the only national newspaper that has more female reader than male.

I've never understood that.

kim147 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:59:00

So women can look at the sidebar of shame and say "look at her".

nkf Wed 07-Aug-13 13:59:41

What don't you get? Have you read it? Have you read the sneers about it? It's not subtle.

clarequilty Wed 07-Aug-13 14:00:48

"it encourages otherwise sane and reasonable people like my parents and my ILs to come out with statements like..."

They were not sane and reasonable in the first place.

Quenelle Wed 07-Aug-13 14:11:41

I'll be the judge of that thanks clare.

ComposHat Wed 07-Aug-13 14:13:43

So women can look at the sidebar of shame and say "look at her".

All well and good, but the hatred of women goes beyond the trvial fluff you get in say, Heat magazine, yet its readership remains overwhelmingly female.

It would be like 'The Voice' newspaper containing nothing but wall to wall racist articles and gushing praise for the BNP.

GreenSkittles Wed 07-Aug-13 18:13:31

I have finally broken my DM habit. It's no good for my blood pressure.

I hate the way they employ female writers to be professional hate figures. I highly doubt Liz Jones and Sam Brick are so unreasonable in real life, but if they stopped infuriating people on the DM site they'd be out of work.

I hate the disingenuous articles, like the way they print photos of a famous woman looking a bit tired, no make-up, and gush about her outstanding natural beauty in the article, just so the readers can let rip with '30? She looks 50!' and 'I didn't know Gollum was a natural beauty!!'

I hate the misogynist baiting headlines, like when they annnounced young womens prison places were being cut, prompting 'Discrimination! This country hates men!!!' when the article goes on to say clearly that far more young mens prison places were being cut.

And the comments section.. The recent article about Doreen Lawrence being made a Baroness had the most disgusting comments underneath it, they had to have been coordinated by a racist group. And last year I read a story about a 13 year old girl who died during a PE lesson at school. Someone commented underneath 'That's what she gets for leaving the kitchen.' That comment had been approved...

lovecupboards Wed 07-Aug-13 18:21:51

Because its a load of shit, that fills gullible idiots with barmy ideas. The real question is why every other paper doesn't get the same rap, because they all fit this same description.

zatyaballerina Wed 07-Aug-13 18:27:58

I read the daily mail online, for the comments more than anything else, it's entertaining. I also read the guardian, telegraph, independent, huffington post and about a dozen other news sites and blogs, it doesn't mean I agree with any of them politically. You'll never know what the news is if you keep to only those you politically agree with because everyone produces propaganda to fit their agenda and hides items which don't and you won't see it if you think you're reading the truth (a rare thing). You have to read through the lines and if you read widely enough about any issue you'll know when journalists are lying or just ill informed.

GreenSkittles Wed 07-Aug-13 18:50:46

Another thing you can guarantee about the comments section - if the artcile is set in the UK but features non-white people, the top-rated comments will all be things like 'B-but.. surely there's some mistake! This can't possibly be the UK.... can it??'

Just a bunch of tossers.

TidyDancer Wed 07-Aug-13 18:53:54

My lovely lovely FIL was once the target of a daily mail story (well, series of stories actually) many years ago. Their hacks were camped outside his house for days on end, baiting and abusing him. When his child died in very sad circumstances, they tried saying despicable things about the little boy to get a reaction from him. I can't (for obvious reasons) say exactly what the original story was about (it was to do with his work), but he did fuck all wrong and was hounded and hounded for it.

Suffice to say, the daily mail wouldn't even be used as toilet paper in this house.

WafflyVersatile Wed 07-Aug-13 22:19:51

The only person I know who had something written about them in their they tried to make out his dad dying turned him into a drag queen. horrible stuff.

They hate my employers and therefore me. [proud]

Mintyy Wed 07-Aug-13 22:25:44

You are going to think me very rude for saying this op but if you don't "get" why people dislike the Daily Mail then you come across as a little short on basic common sense.

Fine to defend the DM if you must, fine to read it if you have nothing better to do, but, really, you must be able to see why other people hate it just by looking at one or two headlines therein.

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