to think you cant judge a book by its cover!

(57 Posts)
ineedtogetoutmore Wed 31-Jul-13 20:22:07

Dh and I have been saving for a few years for a caravan and have managed to save enough for a pretty decent van. We are in our mid 20's and dress pretty hippie so possibly don't look like typical caravan types...we want one so we can take dd all over the UK and Europe to explore.
We saw Glossop Caravan advertised on Tv so made a 2 hour journey to go there and have a look at what they had.

We were looking round and saw a camper can (which I would prefer) so dh and I went inside to look around. While we were in the an older looking gentleman came into the van looking pretty mad at us and asked why we were inside? We told him we were looking for a caravan / camper and just wanted to see inside (all the vans and campers were open for viewing as was this) he then said in quite an accusing way why are the keys in the van? Apparently they were on the front seat we hadn't noticed. I told him he should perhaps ask his staff why as we had come in to look around.

He then said what are you doing here, so I said looking for a caravan. And he said to me and you think you can afford one of ours do you? (we could) so I said we'd seen some within our budget. So he demanded to know my budget., so I just told him it depended on how much we liked the van. Which was vague but he was being so rude.

I walked away to look at other vans and he disappeared to talk to a younger. Man who also worked there. This man then.came over to tell me he had some great vans to show us we went along and he took us to another part of the center where he proceeded to show us the most disgusting smelly used vans ever. He tried to sell us one for £600 that stunk of smoke, had mold on the wall and a dirty carpet that needed replacing. In fact the best thing anyone could have done with this van was scrap it. I thanked the man and said its not quite what I had in mind at which point he tried to secure the sale by throwing in a used toilet!

Now I know from the way I chose to dress I.e. jeans and tops I possibly don't look like the richest girl in the world but am I bu in thinking this company should have been a little less judgemental of younger people buying a caravan as tbh they'd have probably sold the camper to us today but now I will never go back there.

shaggyrogers Wed 31-Jul-13 20:25:03

YANBU. I thought it was well known that some very rich people look almost like tramps!

littlemissnormal Wed 31-Jul-13 20:27:06

Think that calls for a Pretty Woman moment!
You and DP driving past waving and beeping in a lush camper you bought somewhere else grin

shaggyrogers Wed 31-Jul-13 20:28:20

Just realised that might sound like I think ou and your dh look tramps! Not at all!

ineedtogetoutmore Wed 31-Jul-13 20:32:01

Hahaha well we probably do look like tramps a lot of the time but better than usual today grin
I said to dh I felt like buying the camper to make a point but they were just so rude!

kinkyfuckery Wed 31-Jul-13 20:34:30

YANBU. What an asshole. Definitely don't buy anything from him - even if you love it!

NatashaBee Wed 31-Jul-13 20:34:48

YANBU. Do they have a FB/ twitter page? I'd be inclined to post a comment on there so other people can see it.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 31-Jul-13 20:37:06

I hate it when they do that. Bloody ignorant arseholes.

I'd go back in there with my bank statement, wave it under his nose and say THIS is what we WERE going to spend, but you were such a TWAT that we wouldn't buy from you if you were the last place open.

MalcolmTuckersMum Wed 31-Jul-13 20:39:22

YANBU - I cannot stand that kind of prejudiced attitude. You really really should let them know that they made a huge mistake and they've lost a sale. And you should share that opinion with as many people as possible.

I so wish I'd done what you want to do when I was your age! Good luck!

Have you heard the story about when Michael Caine bought his first Rolls Royce. They were equally rude. I think you should do what he did.

maddening Wed 31-Jul-13 20:53:49

My dbro wears a hoody, trainers, is often unshaven and does extreme skating - he doesn't look like he is a doctor of physics - am sure he is judged by his appearance a lot.

celestialbows Wed 31-Jul-13 20:53:51


Do what Hecsy said, I would. YANBU btw!

ToysRLuv Wed 31-Jul-13 21:30:36

My DF is very well off due to having been a rather important business man before retiring, but often looks quite a lot like a tramp. People tend to do a double take when he gets into his brand spanking new sports car Merc grin You really shouldn't ignore any potential customers, and any salesmen who do are spectacularly stupid..

MairyHoles Wed 31-Jul-13 21:57:07

My dad looks quite unkempt most of the time but actually makes himself look worse on purpose if he's making an expensive purchase - he says he wants to buy from someone who isn't judgemental. Although I think what he does is unnecessary I see his point in only wanting nice people to profit, I personally look like a bag of shit most days and just recently got curtain samples thrown down in front of me in a small local shop, so I walked out, with my 3 under 5s and my crappy double buggy. Bugger them, I'll make them myself, I needed 4 pairs of 90inch drop curtains and was willing to pay for them and support small businesses. Back to the point, that old guy is a dick.

Bogeyface Wed 31-Jul-13 22:04:36

A friend of mine is a long haired rocker who does look scruffy and unkempt. He is also a senior systems analyst who earns more in a month that I could in a year.

He wanted to buy a new car and decided he wanted a Suburu (each to their own hmm) and the one he wanted was brand new and v expensive. So he went to the dealer who took him on a test drive, and then said "Right, you've had your fun now on your way" friend was a bit WTF? And the salesman said that he only took him out as he had nothing else to do and he clearly wasnt going to buy the car.

Friend went to the next city, bought the car then drove it back to original dealer and did a Pretty Woman on him! Not that friend has even seen PW but we knew what it was!

I agree that if they have a FB page you could post a picture of your lovely new camper "Isnt it marvellous? We bought at X place after we visited Glossop and decided not to give our money to such a self important rude snob!"

cjel Wed 31-Jul-13 22:16:21

I remember the story of a BMW rep who wouldn't spend time with my friend when he went to buy a car. He spent his 40 grand on a merc!!

I also went to hire a dinner suit for my ds and had left it till the day of the prom as he came out of school on the night and said he wanted one.( I had muddy shorts and flip flops as had just left garden and didn't know I was going shopping) male assistant snootily said they only had them for sale not hire but they were really expensive - hackles risen I told ds to try it on - with shirt tie and shoes and bought!! I was very curt with him and ds didn't speak to him, took it to another assistant to pay.

babybythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 22:22:54

Please, MrsTP, what did Michael Caine do? I need to know after that cryptic comment.

Or is it a hint that OP should become a globally famous actor? Because that might not fit with her own career plans...

TheRealFellatio Wed 31-Jul-13 22:23:56

YABNU, although I am not sure what you mean by 'jeans and tops' - doesn't everyone, rich or poor wear 'jeans and tops' much of the time? confused Especially when shopping for caravans?! grin

That happened to us once when we were out one Sunday afternoon in
jeans and tops very scruffy clothes. We had nipped out to B&Q or something and ended up popping into a BMW dealership. We got the same sneery looks up and down and a very dismissive attitude from the jumped up salesman. Which is funny really because he could have bought anything in that showroom brand new if we'd wanted to.

TheRealFellatio Wed 31-Jul-13 22:24:36

Ha! crossed posts with cjel

Talkinpeace Wed 31-Jul-13 22:28:25

Had the same the other week. DH, DS and I went to look at cars.
We looked scruffy but they humoured us. Ish.
DH looking at estates. Me looking at convertibles.
"why are you and your husband looking at different cars"
"because we will be buying one of each from the right dealer"
cue jaws on floor and much fawning from that moment!
but they had already lost the sale

cjel Wed 31-Jul-13 22:30:27

I've herd so many stories like that of BMW,
We went once on a saturday to try and test drive with really excited ddc and were told they didn't do test drives on saturdays as serious buyers don't shop on saturdays! we went to merc and kids were climbing all over sports model without roof that princess Di had at the time, rep came over and we thought we would be told off and he just said morning sir, madam can I get you all drinks while you wait for salesman!!we bought merc. Tried BMW again a couple of years later but they didn't have model we wanted in new. They had exact car in second hand but wouldn't let us test drive it because we weren't interested in buying it!!!!
We bought merc and never tried BMW again.

HarrietSchulenberg Wed 31-Jul-13 23:37:21

Speaking as someone whose bag-lady dress sense causes her to be followed round expensive shops by store detectives, I feel your pain. And I absolutely insist that you revisit the dealership with your shiny new van from elsewhere, just to show them the sale they didn't have.
I've even been followed round JJB Sports ffs. Maybe because my hoody was a stripy knitted number rather than Nike grin .

Bogeyface Wed 31-Jul-13 23:41:38

Harriet that reminds me of a time I was shopping with my sister. She worked at a Spa that was running a deal where if you booked a 2 day spa break with them you got a whole load of freebies to take home, one of which was a "luxury bath robe". All was good except the bath robe delivery didnt turn up so she and I had to go into town and buy all the "luxury" wink bathrobes we could find.

All was fine until we got to Primark, having cleared out every other shop. We were carrying ten bathrobes each and were being very obviously followed by a security guard. It was laughable, as if you would walk out loaded down like that! So in the end Dsis (who is far gobbier in RL than me, I am just gobby on here!) turned to him and said "If you are going to follow us then you can carry these for me" and handed him her pile of robes.

It was bloody marvellous! grin

dubstarr73 Thu 01-Aug-13 14:49:19

Haha good on her Bogeyface.His face must have been [shock[

dubstarr73 Thu 01-Aug-13 14:55:13

shock obviously

Crinkle77 Thu 01-Aug-13 14:59:08

God that it awful. I think you should have told them where to stick it. My mum and dad went to price up new kitchens about 10 years and the guy was showing them these quite expensive ones. But then he turned round and said 'oh but you probably couldn't afford them'. He lost himself a sale that day as they could have afforded it but he just made an assumption based on what they looked like.

cjel Thu 01-Aug-13 22:31:02

Just remembered when we built our house I was having a chat with the new salesman when an old one looked over his shoulder and said 'you don't mean metres you mean feet' and started to tell us we didn't have room for xyz. We didn't mean feet our kitchen was going to be 30ft square, huge! we went elsewhere!!!

DeWe Thu 01-Aug-13 23:11:33

We got refused entry to a restaurant when we were students. Funny thing was that we very clearly got refused because one of our party was wearing jeans.

This was particularly funny as he was the boyfriend of one of us-the only one who wasn't a student. he was an actuary. grin

PasswordProtected Fri 02-Aug-13 00:01:51

Always buy a Merc! Much better cars & much better service ;-)

SarahAndFuck Fri 02-Aug-13 00:12:51

I love that on MN you can find yourself asking the question "what would Michael Caine do?" grin

Apparently it was this:

"And I said ‘Oh yeah, Rolls-Royce. How much is that one?” He said “How many do you want?” (laughs) I said ‘I only want one. Are you usually this rude to people who come to buy Rolls-Royces?’ He said “Get out!” So I said ‘I’ll tell you what, I’m going to call you next week, and I’m going to drive by here in a Rolls-Royce I’ve bought somewhere else and I’m going to give you a wave, okay?’ He said “Get out!” (laughs) And that’s what I did. I drove by and I gave him a very particular wave.”

Bogeyface Fri 02-Aug-13 00:53:23

I want a WWMCD bracelet! I am assuming that the "special wave" only utilised a couple of his fingers? grin

shewhowines Fri 02-Aug-13 01:06:10

We had the same experience at BMW when we were younger. What is it with BMW?

MidniteScribbler Fri 02-Aug-13 01:51:48

I get the same experience a lot. Single mother, so they automatically think "benefit scrounge". I had a really hard time when I was looking for a new house. So many snarky comments from agents. When I found this one, I was discussing making an offer. "Won't you need to call mummy and daddy and ask first?" "No, they're dead." "Oh, well you'd better call your bank, they might not lend that much money to you." "That won't be necessary. I'm paying cash." Cue real estate agent practically falling over himself. Idiots.

I was once very obviously followed around Primark by a hostile-looking security guard type. I don't look like a shoplifter afaik and I had DS2 in his buggy. I was so offended that I boycotted Primark for about two years.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Fri 02-Aug-13 02:49:16

DS (21) has run into this recently. He is looking for a specific car, a Toyota MR2, he has the money burning a hole in his bank account and is looking in earnest. Good ones are hard to find so we've covered a few miles in his quest to find the right one. Recently he saw one advertised at a dealer's about 90 minute drive from here so he called them up and asked them if he could come and view it and take it out for a test drive, he dealer said it would not be a problem so we got in my car and set out. Upon arrival the dealer changed his mind, apparently DS was 'too young' to be 'serious' about buying this car and demanded a £1k deposit before he would allow DS to take it out.

ineedtogetoutmore Fri 02-Aug-13 09:16:25

I always loved Michael Cain ... I can't believe some of these stories I can't believe some businesses manage to stay in business when the staff are so rude!

cocolepew Fri 02-Aug-13 09:31:10

That's priceless Bogeyface grin.

When me and my exbf went to but my engagement ring the shop wouldn't let us in! I was wearing a t-shirt coloured, pattered leggings (it was the 80's blush)and beaten up Converse. You had to be buzzed in to the shop and the security guard wouldn't do it. We were left standing there like idiots.

BF opened his wallet and waved the cash about hmm. They nearly tripped over themselves to open the door. As soon as they did we turned and walked away.

Midlifecrisisarefun Fri 02-Aug-13 10:37:36

We had this a few years ago, DH and I went to look at cars at a Nissan main dealer, the salesman looked us up and down, went to another suited customer then eventually came back to us. I told him our requirements (3-5 adults/dog/wheelchair space and able to pull a caravan), he didn't listen and pointed to the far corner where the part exchanges were. None were bigger than a small hatchback!
We drove 25 miles to the next one..Within an hour we were dealing with the paperwork to buy a pathfinder.
I still avoid the original garage which is 3 miles from home due to the attitude we received!
He had made an assumption and as a result lost his branch the sale and future services!

SsimTee Fri 02-Aug-13 11:01:20

Similar thing happened to my husband when he was younger. Went into one car dealership where he got taken the mickey out of so he walked out and went straight to another dealership almost opposite. Bought a brand new car from there with CASH. He then went back to the first dealership and showed them his receiptsmile

DanceLikeJohnTravoltaNow Fri 02-Aug-13 11:52:23

It amazes me that some salespeople are like this. Even if they think you cant afford it, what do they think gives them the right to comment?

My parents don't dress to impress, but are loaded and have bought cars and houses with cash in the past, but my mum was told by a snooty sales assistant in debenhams that she couldn't afford some perfume because it was 'very expensive'. Mum was buying perfume gift sets for 5 people that day and went to Boots instead.

guiltyconscience Fri 02-Aug-13 11:56:50

OH bless you my lovely take no notice what wankers!

Talkinpeace Fri 02-Aug-13 13:36:36

funny, my un named dealer was indeed a BMW one wink

LessMissAbs Fri 02-Aug-13 14:18:03

cjel re BMW We went once on a saturday to try and test drive with really excited ddc and were told they didn't do test drives on saturdays as serious buyers don't shop on saturdays!

My DH had the same experience with BMW, and he was dressed smartly and turned up in an S class Mercedes and had actually booked a test car over the weekend! Waste of time as it "wasn't available" when he turned up to collect it. We suspect that the test cars actually go home with the staff at weekends.

Mercedes is an entirely different matter and this is why I still drive them. I turned up once, without an appointment, in my usual running gear and muddy trainers, and was given an E class to test drive for 36 hours and staff were very helpful. I did buy one in the end. The sales talk wasn't pushy either. I like to make up my own mind.

I was quite shocked at BMW tbh. They seemed very odd. Who on earth do they sell cars to? It was very off putting and disorganised.

Back to the OP - my tendency is towards scruffiness, via my running gear. I do sometimes make an effort if going somewhere new though as it can create a good impression. I don't see why you should bother with this for a bloody caravan park though!

hollyisalovelyname Fri 02-Aug-13 17:17:08

Same with the snooty assistants in designer shops and concessions in department stores. Whi do they think they are????

Bogeyface Fri 02-Aug-13 20:40:36

Can I just ask something?

Arent you supposed to judge a book by its cover? I mean, it has the writing on the back or on the sleeve. Isnt that sort of the point?

Bogeyface Fri 02-Aug-13 20:41:03

Oh and pictures, they have pictures too which help.

cjel Fri 02-Aug-13 22:10:51

Ha Ha bogey, I think the idea is not to choose a book because of shiny pictures, because the tatty ones have been more loved so are probably better!! Thats my excuse for being tatty on the outsidesmile

Bogeyface Fri 02-Aug-13 22:40:15

I am tatty on the outside too! I think I may have missed the point a bit then.... grin

KnitMinion Sat 03-Aug-13 00:14:32

I was at a Nissan garage once, looking to buy a new car - was with DH and DS and also a friend and her DS because she was looking to buy a new car too.

We must have been there for a good 45 minutes, looking at the various cars, trying out all the boots to see if my wheelchair would fit, trying to see if I could get in and out of each car etc - and in that whole time, not 1 member of staff came to speak to any of us.

So we left, went to Citroen and bought 2 cars from them instead grin

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Sat 03-Aug-13 12:57:02

Bogeyface - that is brilliant! What did he do? Did he follow you round carrying the stuff for you?

Bogeyface Sat 03-Aug-13 13:01:45

Yeah he did! It was marvellous, I would never have dared to do it but she is fearless grin

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Sat 03-Aug-13 13:11:52

please tell me she kept adding more stuff to the pile.

I am SO going to do this.

I almost want to get followed now! grin

Bogeyface Sat 03-Aug-13 13:17:37

Sadly not, I think we would have been chucked out. It is my second favourite story about her, my favourite being the time she got her squaddie ex (who cheated on her) the nickname Clap Craig because she told his CO that CC had given her an STI. He hadnt, but he had to have some very nasty tests in order to find out! grin

I love my sister!

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Sat 03-Aug-13 13:21:26

Is your sister single?
[girl crush]

Bogeyface Sat 03-Aug-13 14:29:11

No, very married to man who I hope for his sake never cheats on her grin

Talkinpeace Sat 03-Aug-13 19:18:01

many many moons ago I lived in a rather odd rented house
one night DH and our housemates wandered up to the pub. I stayed in to watch the end of Morse.
Then started wandering up, car pulls up alongside me (you can guess the type of area) I kept walking as I had a pint waiting for me.
Suddenly a warrant card is flashed in my face "vice squad"
Ha ha says me, how many tarts wear top hats and sunglasses at night
we don't believe you
ok, give me a lift to the pub then
instead they followed me - crawling along at walking pace till I indeed went into the pub
they looked SO disappointed

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