To just stop taking the citalopram

(151 Posts)
filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:49:08

It's messing me up, I've barely been able to move today and my head is spinning.

I am actually in fear of taking tomorrows installment and having another day of this nasty smacky gurning crap

Seriously considering just not bothering

You really need to talk to a HCP before you do. Sorry you're having a hard time thanks

Trigglesx Tue 30-Jul-13 22:52:31

IIRC when H was on it, he was told he had to go off it slowly, in case of a rebound effect. I would check with a HCP first. If you're concerned that you're having some type of reaction to it, again you need to be seen by a HCP that can assess you.

How long have you been taking it?

oopsadaisymaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 22:52:56

I really would encourage you to stick with it. What dose have you been started on?

McNewPants2013 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:53:31

How long have you been on them.

Sorry you are having a hard time, but don't just stop taking the medication you need.

I am on them and for the first few weeks it made me feel like you described and the doctor said it was likely to settle but if not come back in a few weeks.

Please don't just stop taking it wean yourself off, I was on 30mg and found out I was pregnant so cold turkeyed it and ended up very ill, completely suicidal and under the CPNS , drop by 5mg a week.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:53:55

I've taken two tablets, one at around 4pm on Monday and one today at around 10am, my doctor said to take it in the morning, though fuck knows why because its just made me a yawny gurning mess all bloody day and now I can't ducking sleep.

GiddyStars Tue 30-Jul-13 22:55:26

How long have you been on it? I stopped after a week as it was sending me loopy and I couldn't get up to look after the kids.

What the Dr said to me at the time was for the first 2 weeks you'll feel worse, third week others will notice an improvement and fourth week you will notice an improvement yourself.

Obviously I didn't make it that far grin

I went down the therapy route instead which has worked brilliantly for my needs but it some drugs are brilliant for some people and rubbish for others.

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 22:55:34

Have you just started it or been on it for a long time?

If you've been on it for a while you need to come off gradually as the side effects are awful. I was signed off work for 2 weeks last year when changing meds as even with gradually reduced dosage I couldn't cope with the physical and emotional withdrawal symptoms.

If you've only just started it then keep trying with it as side effects shouldn't last long. If you're still suffering after a week or two then go back to the docs and see if there's something else they could put you on but tbh most anti depressants have similar side effects. Citalopram seems to be the generic starter one though but it isn't right for everyone.

Hope you feel better with it tomorrow

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:56:45

I don't have 'a few week' to just take off from the whole of life in order to not feel like I've necked half a smacky extasy tablet upon waking up.

It's not a luxury afforded to me, I have two children, a job looking after people and a house to run. I can't do the 'wait on the sofa for 3 weeks and it will pass'

I am thinking I've only taken two, I'll phone the emergency doctor tomorrow and let them know I am not taking them anymore and that if that is all that is on offer to help me with depression I will just have to carry on being miserable and anxious some of the time and every few months fucking my life up.

GiddyStars Tue 30-Jul-13 22:57:22

4pm and 10am might be too close together as you have only just started on them. Double whammy.

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 22:57:37

Yep remember the tiredness. My doc suggested taking it mid afternoon, tbh once you're setted on it there shouldn't be much difference regardless of the time you take it.

Stick with it, it does get better

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:58:53

I work evenings though, til 10pm some nights

GiddyStars Tue 30-Jul-13 22:59:09

If you want to stop taking them you'll be fine after just a couple - maybe just one or two interrupted nights of sleep. But do ring the Dr in the morn and tell them if you plan on doing that.

Rosduk Tue 30-Jul-13 23:00:49

I took citalopram for anxiety and depression. The first few days were horrendous, next few days were better then a week later it all kicked in and I had my life back. It changed my life but you do have to get through the first few days which is hard but it certainly wasn't two weeks for me.

Good luck and if all else fails speak to your gp before you quit.

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 23:00:50

You are depressed presumably to be given citalopram, therefore feeling pretty shitty in general. See if you can take a smaller dosage of 10mg or even 5mg per day and build up to what the doc wants you to be on. There is no magic cure, whether therapy or medication or both it takes time and effort and pain. A few weeks of struggling through will pay off but only if you stick with it. Otherwise you'll just go right back where you were and what was the point of feeling like this for 2 days?

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 23:03:27

Then I would suggest about tea time maybe? Not just before bed but not so early you're dragging your feet through custard all day

ADs are strong medicines and do have side effects but its almost all in the first few days (and on withdrawal but after 2 days that shouldn't be much of an issue for you).

Btw my time off was from withdrawal rather than initial side effects.

dancingwithmyselfandthecat Tue 30-Jul-13 23:03:59

Whatever time of day you take it, you must stick to the same time and not two doses with in 18 hrs.

My doctor prescribed me beta blockers for the times in the first week or two when you feel really activated. Might be worth asking?

Echo giddy stars advice.

If you do keep on it, don't have alcohol or caffeine for the first couple of weeks.

If you don't, don't be disheartened. Not all anti deps work for every body.

Thinking of you. X

Lonelybunny Tue 30-Jul-13 23:04:35

Take them at night , just before bed , I had ad insomnia when I first started and like you couldbt move from the sofa. I was so drained all day. I started taking themat night so they knocked me out , took / weeks till I felt more normal , keep going

Spikeytree Tue 30-Jul-13 23:05:52

It is not advisable to just come off ADs, I've done it a few times as I do it to punish myself, but it is not a great idea.

You need to take your meds at the same time each day. 4pm one day and 10am the next is too close together. I used to take citalopram at night. Yawning is a side-effect of many ADs.

What dosage are you on?

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:06:17

There is a difference between feeling shitty, which yes has massively affected me and more than anything my concentration and made me confused and disorientated the last few weeks and I also suffer dreadfully with anxiety usually for a week or 10 days of every month (on average sometimes more sometimes less)

But I can go to work being a bit depressed and sort of shake myself off and get on with it

But this stuff, I feel like I am hanging out of my arsehole on it, not to mention the diahorrea and the farting (not a good mix might I add) its bloody horrendous, I feel like I can't properly leave the house and I am sketching out at people who need to trust me.

The side effects do wear off.

I love citalopram, it's helped me with panic disorder and anxiety.

I also have 2 dcs and work looking after people until 10pm some nights. Are you me? wink

I hope your GP is helpful. If it were me I'd ring asap for a telephone appointment and talk about halving the dosage. What mg are you on? If it's straight on to 20 then that may be too high? I started on 10 but you can start on 5 afaik?

katiecubs Tue 30-Jul-13 23:06:28

What dose are you on? I started on 10mg per day which was horrible for the first few days. It gradually got better and after a week or two was fine. I then upped to 20mg andI by week 3 or 4 the benefits really started to show and it was really worth it.

I really feel for you as it can be so horrendous at first, I was so anxious and panicking the whole time but stick with it if you can as it won't be for l

katiecubs Tue 30-Jul-13 23:06:41

McNewPants2013 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:07:39

Filee you need to look after yourself and if you need time off work then you need it.

You will be no good to anyone if you don't sort out your MH problems.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:09:20

I'm on 20mg a day

I will give one more day a go and take one tomorrow evening at around 6pm then and see how I get on, if it is still a nightmare on Thursday I will phone the duty doctor and tell them I am not taking anymore

liquidstate Tue 30-Jul-13 23:09:33

I have been on it for a month now and the first week is the worst. Do take it at night (that was the best Mumsnet advice ever...). I take it when I go to bed at 11pm and wake up at 6am.

I don't have children so I can afford to have a little lie in if tired in the morning but I found this has lessened over the last few weeks. I still have lucid dreams (quite saucy ones actually) and yawn a fair bit during the day but otherwise am functioning really well. I am so much happier so it is worth it.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:11:30

I do need to sort out my mh but I really need to pay the bills and feed the kids first and foremost

Which is my main concern, this shit is leaving me a zombie and I can't do my job (in life not just work) with it affecting me like this

Lonelybunny Tue 30-Jul-13 23:11:52

I too started on 10mg have 3 dc abd work 2 jobs 1 looking after ppl and get home at 10. I have bad health anxiety , citalopram has saved my sanity , I'm now on 20 mg I love it . Please keep trying op it's worth it

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 23:12:54

Rather than give up altogether see if you can go down to 10mg for a few weeks and build up to 20mg.

PP mentioned lucid dreams, omg I never used to remember my dreams til I started taking citalopram and the same on duloxotine and venlafaxine.

Good luck with it, I'll be thinking of you

RobotHamster Tue 30-Jul-13 23:14:46

A 10mg dose for the first couple of weeks will help you get used to it without as many side effects. You would need to go up to 20mg though after that.

I took mine in the evening right before bed because of the gurning yawning fucked up smacky feeling, it helped a LOT.

The worst of the side effects were gone in the first week. The first 5 days were hell though.

Having said all that - if you don't think its the right drug for you don't take it. Its hard to get used to but its an absolute bitch to stop taking it and it took me 6 months of very gradual dose lowering to come off them.

I think it's too high tbh but that's my opinion.

A gp once put me on 40mg, I ended up have some sort of seizure during the night. I halved them myself and saw another GP who agreed with me.

katiecubs Tue 30-Jul-13 23:15:26

Yes definately try dropping to 10mg first rather than stopping altogether.

It really is a wonder drug for many people and the side effects are only signs it is starting to do its thing.

McNewPants2013 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:16:12

Could you take some holidays leave?

Spikeytree Tue 30-Jul-13 23:16:18

I'd get an appointment with your GP and ask about starting on a lower dose. Side-effects do generally improve. I think citalopram was the least bad of all the ADs I've been on.

Hope you start to feel better soon.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:16:55

Has anyone else had the diahorrea?

Two days on any antidepressant will never make you feel wonderful. I've never been on any anti-d that didn't have an initial shitty period.

I agree with asking about a lower dosage to start with though. Shouldn't be quite so tough then, but you still want to allow for at least 2 weeks for it to start to help.

katiecubs Tue 30-Jul-13 23:17:14

To add a differant experience to the above poster it was find for me to come off. No problems at all.

SaucyJack Tue 30-Jul-13 23:22:51

Oh YANBU. Citalopram is fucking eeeevilll stuff.

Trigglesx Tue 30-Jul-13 23:24:00

filee777 Yes, H had it that initially, but it balanced out within a few days. You might want to boost your fluid intake to counteract it in this heat so you don't end up dehydrated.

Spikeytree Tue 30-Jul-13 23:25:48

I came off it cold turkey no problems. Wouldn't advise it though.

RobotHamster Tue 30-Jul-13 23:28:33

Those of you who found it ok to stop taking - did you have horrible initial side-effects?

Spikeytree Tue 30-Jul-13 23:33:22

I started on 20mg for two weeks then straight up to 60mg, although I believe 40mg is the max dose now. I found no side effects other than an increase in suicidal ideation and yawning.

When my GP mixed it with lofepramine, that caused serious side-effects.

Turniptwirl Tue 30-Jul-13 23:35:41

Citalopram was horrible to come off but nothing compared to duloxotine partly because I had to have a week of nothing in between. Was dizzy and nauseas and cried constantly. I've read that venlafaxine which I'm on now is even worse and not looking forward to that nightmare withdrawal!

newestbridearound Tue 30-Jul-13 23:40:21

Citalopram has nasty side effects for a while, I started at the same dose as you and was a mess for a couple of weeks. Whether you think you can cope with them is up to you, but please talk to your gp first if you decide to stop taking them so they can talk to you about other options. Some anti-ds are better suited to people than others.
After 3 years I decided that I no longer needed my tablets and just stopped taking them which was really rash- I wouldn't recommend it, although after only a couple of days the withdrawal is likely to be less. It's not normally a good idea to just stop though. I hope you feel better soon.

DoctorAnge Tue 30-Jul-13 23:43:37

Stick with it the first few weeks are bloody awful but after 6 weeks it changed my life. Try to
Stick with nice spaces doses. it will pass I promise.

GiddyStars Tue 30-Jul-13 23:58:32

I had a couple of sleepless nights coming off. Nothing like stopping Tramadol though. That made me feel like I had the plague sad

The thing that shocked me most about citalopram was that I couldn't orgasm on it blush grin

I know it sounds pathetic but it really freaked me out because it just killed any feeling down below dead. Was like I had pins and needles in my fanjo shock

plus orgasms were one of the few pleasures in my life at the time

Eanair Wed 31-Jul-13 00:17:11

OP, I had the diarrhoea, the yawning, the brain shocks and some absolutely bizarre hunger/carb cravings. It evened out in about 4 days, and probably saved my life. That being said, there are other treatments available, so I'd suggest exploring alternatives rather than leaving your mental health issues untreated (and I hear what you're saying about needing to work, look after kids etc). Hope things improve.

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 31-Jul-13 00:23:11

im on sertraline - the side effects at first were horrendous but they do wear off. now i can see how ill i was with some clarity of mind i would say either stick with it (the side effects DO wear off) or ask to switch to another AD.

sertraline has saved my life. i wouldnt have said that 8 months ago when i was in the throes of horrendous side effects - but they only lasted 6 weeks and the benefits have far outweighed the side effects for those few weeks.
i was signed off work while i got over the worst.

Eanair Wed 31-Jul-13 00:28:57

I switched from citalopram to Sertraline last year. Apart from the doctor getting the dosage wrong on changeover (she divided rather than multiply; easily changed after a quick call to the practice), I had no side effects from the changeover.

Either, in my experience, will affect your ability to orgasm. I still enjoy sex, but orgasm is problematic.

hiddenhome Wed 31-Jul-13 00:52:34

Take it at night. You'll feel a lot better.

Eanair Wed 31-Jul-13 00:55:50

Yes, meant to mention that as well. Morning works for me, but night works for a lot of people.

catgirl1976 Wed 31-Jul-13 07:06:58

It is grim but it only lasts about a week IME

Don't just stop

Give it a bit longer and talk to your GP

Hope you are ok

cannotfuckingbelievethis Wed 31-Jul-13 07:59:08

Sorry you're feeling so crap.

I took it for about a week but felt like a zombie. I actually fell asleep on the room floor one afternoon when I was supposed to be watching the DCs. Luckily they didn't burn the house down whilst I was passed out on the floor but that was the final straw for me and I stopped taking it. I don't remember any terrible side effects to be honest. Found therapy to be more useful for me but everyone is different. And yes I do remember the farting and the runs....on a plus note I was always guaranteed a seat to myself on the train !

Doubtfuldaphne Wed 31-Jul-13 08:04:58

Taw it just before you go to sleep every night so the worst of it can be slept off. It will make you feel awful for the first few weeks but please stick with it because once your body has adjusted you will feel so much better.
Don't suddenly stop taking it as this will make you feel worse than you did before citalopram! If you really can't take it any more ask to be switched to another type as there are many but most are started off on citalopram.
I would stick with it though as its a fantastic medication once your body is used to it

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:06:24

Also the not being able to wake up, I feel like I've not woken up properly for days sad

It's bloody awful and really makes me wonder what the hell is this crap to do this too me?

I'll phone the doctor this morning and tell them I am not taking anymore. I actually shit myself last night in bed, thank goodness I had pjs on rather than a nightie.

That's about the last straw for me though, actually shitting myself and being unable to wake up.

If this is all they are able to help me with then they can keep it.

GiveItYourBestShot Wed 31-Jul-13 08:07:15

I took it for 2 days and stopped - I'd never felt so ill in my life. Couldn't do my job, could barely think. Felt like the worst hangover ever. Went back to counselling which I prefer as I think my MH problems are due to my life experinces not a chemical imbalance in the brain.

BridgetBidet Wed 31-Jul-13 08:09:51

2 tablets? I think you are having placebo effects.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:11:29

The only counselling available to me right now is group workshops, great for an anxiety ridden mess who still feels partly to blame for her abusers treatment of her.

Nope the nhs have made it quite clear that there is no suitable help for me, I'll just have to ignore my own issues and concentrate on my own family for now.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:12:28

'Placebo effects' wtf are you talking about?

GiddyStars Wed 31-Jul-13 08:13:46

Bridget hmm there are plenty of medications where two tablets or even one can give you massive side effects. What an odd comment,

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:15:43

Properly odd!

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:28:32

Right I'm waiting for a call back from the doctor now, feeling better already that I no longer have to take one of the small pills of zombie/shitty/nastiness

2rebecca Wed 31-Jul-13 08:31:17

If you feel like you haven't woken up properly for days yet have only had 2 tablets in the past 2 days then the tablets aren't the only thing making you tired.
What dose are you on? 10mg is the lowest dose and I'd try 1 of those at night for a week.
It sounds as though you've decided to stop. With the soiling yourself at night I wonder if you have a co-incidental bowel infection as that is very usual with them.
Tablets have a limited effect for anxiety and are better for depression, cognitive behaviour therapy is better for anxiety but has huge waiting lists on the NHS.
I'd go back and discuss it with your GP. Other antidepressants have antianxiety effects to, but with most tablets the side effects are worse for the first week and the beneficial effects take a couple of weeks to kick in.
The group workshop might be better than you think, it's unlikely you'd be the only anxious person there who has been abused. The first meeting will be stressful, but everyone there will be stressed by it. After that you'll feel more relaxed and may make friends as well as learning antianxiety techniques and getting mutual support.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:34:44

Doctor has taken me off the evil things immediately, says it sounds like an allergic reaction to them and that though uncommon the diahorrea sort of points to that.

She's put me back on my lovely Valium and I can just take that on an adhoc basis which is better I think than a drug daily.

I'm going to make a 1-2-1 meeting with a psychologist too.

She was very helpful doctor!

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:35:53

I have had very nasty bowel infections in the past and I have never ever ever shit myself in the night before.

It was definitely the evil things

LEMisdisappointed Wed 31-Jul-13 08:39:40

filee, i am glad you spoke to your doctor first, your side effects sounded awful, I usually tell people to persevere past the side effects but you needed to stop. There are other ADs out there that may suit you better, you cannot be on valium long term (i wish you could, id be there with you!) though so you need something. Why on earth can you not have one to one counselling? I think you need to stamp your feet a little bit for a referral. Good luck x

Numptywallice Wed 31-Jul-13 09:36:58

Stick with it. I was completely out of it when I first started taking them but after a few days I was much better. I still take them now. If after a week your still bad go back to doctors and they will try you on something else.
Hope you feel yourself again soon xxxx

Eanair Wed 31-Jul-13 09:39:13

Glad your doctor was able to help.

Bridget, SSRIs are well-known for having an immediate physical impact, even after just taking one. When I took my first citalopram, I started getting brain shocks within an hour and dizziness and massive hunger within two hours.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:05:48

I absolutely have stopped taking them and the doctor agrees it is for the best

dirtyface Wed 31-Jul-13 10:08:44

how long have you been on it, and how many mg are you on?

(sorry if answered already)

am on 10mg and am on my 3rd week now and its working really well, am much more chilled. i was warned by the doctor that the first week or two i may feel worse so if you have not been on it long it might just be worth riding it out

as others have said dont just stop taking it as side effects can be bad. try and get a docs appt asap x

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:15:10

She put me on 20mgs, on Monday.

To be honest it's had a bit of a reverse psychology effect as now I feel thankful to be alive and not zombiefied!

I seriously feel fine and loads better, I took my second and last one at 9am yesterday morning

StraightJacket Wed 31-Jul-13 14:52:51

I'm surprised you were told to take them in the morning, I have been on them twice in total and both times I have been told to take them at night.

But yes, sounded like you definitely needed to come off them. I haven't had any sort of reaction like that. In fact, with my depression, I suffer with insomnia and I was told hopefully Citalopram would help me sleep once they kick in but I am still waiting sad

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 15:36:13

Wow she told me if i took them at night they would interfere with my sleep! I am quickly beginning to think the woman doesnt have a clue what shes talking about.

TedMoseby Wed 31-Jul-13 16:08:36

They are supposed to be taken in the day, as my dr said "so that you can get full benefit from them in the day". Most people, including myself, quickly realise that they're better taken at night to sleep through the side effects.

When I took them in the day I felt so so tired. I couldn't stop yawning and gurning and had terrible nausea and insomnia. All solved by taking at night as it would knock me out.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 17:34:02

Surely I would have just soiled the bed every night though had I taken them at night? I took the first one at 4pm And I literally woke up covered in it.

SirBoobAlot Wed 31-Jul-13 17:51:15

There are lots of ADs available. Citalopram tends to be one of the first they prescribe. If this one has disagreed with you, try another one.

They do all have side effects (am on day three of re-starting mine, feeling somewhat more normal today), but hopefully not as drastic for you next time.

RobotHamster Wed 31-Jul-13 17:52:36

My GP said to start taking them in the day too, but also said that if it didn't work for me then to switch to taking them before bed.

ilovesooty Wed 31-Jul-13 17:52:44

She's put me back on my lovely Valium and I can just take that on an adhoc basis which is better I think than a drug daily

Since it's only for short term use, what plans has she mentioned for after that time has passed?

neverbefore Wed 31-Jul-13 17:55:44

i knew some one on this made them feel shit at first , they took it before bed not in the morning , it made them feel light headed and sick if taken in morning.

Toohottohandle Wed 31-Jul-13 17:56:46

I am on 20mg of citalopram the first few weeks are awful but worth it
I took mine just before bed much better
Please try and carry on it will be worth it in the end

Valium is not a long term solution, there are lots of different anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds with different side effects. I would ask to try another one, maybe from a different family of anti-depressants.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 18:17:01

I am absolutely NOT continuing a treatment that has made me shit the bed.

I am also not expected to, the doctors have removed it from me and put it down as an allergy in my notes

I think what I will do is speak to the doctor in 3 weeks time (I have an appointment booked) and try and work out me getting signed off work for a week so that I can adjust to a different script.

To be honest I wish I could just keep taking Valium on an adhoc basis, I can't see why that is 'worse' than taking an AD daily.

I do need something though.

ilovesooty Wed 31-Jul-13 18:23:24

To be honest I wish I could just keep taking Valium on an adhoc basis, I can't see why that is 'worse' than taking an AD daily

Because clinical guidelines allow benzos only to be prescribed for limited periods and not on a maintenance basis. They are addictive in ways the newer ADs aren't.

ilovesooty Wed 31-Jul-13 18:24:13

Oh and there are also issues around illicit/street supply and use.

StraightJacket Wed 31-Jul-13 18:26:01

If you read the leaflet that comes with Citalopram, it says to take in the morning or evening, so not necessarily supposed to be taken during the day. Depends on the person, side effects, and what you are taking them for I would assume.

But either way, the diarrhea obviously was too much so you can't carry on. You need to go back to discuss others, because there are various ones out there which you can try so don't give up because this one didn't agree with you.

Good luck.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 18:37:09

I've had a valium script for around 6months, I only take them when they are needed, when i have anxiety so a box of 28 usually lasts me around 3 months.

I will definitely speak to the doctors about a different AD and possibly taking a week off work to make sure they are working well before i return.

SirBoobAlot Wed 31-Jul-13 19:37:55

You should probably try and see the GP earlier than three weeks time.

I use valium too, and need to use them less, when I have a mild anti anxiety dose.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 19:45:27

What anti-d do you take for your anxiety sirbob

2rebecca Wed 31-Jul-13 21:07:25

Valium doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it. Antidepressants replaces neurotransmitters you are lacking. CBT is best for anxiety as it teaches you to manage without any drugs. Valium just makes people feel that when they are anxious they need a tablet rather than to look at why they are anxious objectively and get things in proportion. Fine for a short term crisis but 6 months is about 5 and a half months too long for a short term fix and is becoming a habit.
They aren't "lovely" valium at all.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 21:11:19

They are lovely when you are sitting with so much to do that you can't work out what to do first and why. When you are so anxious that you just forget to function...

I'll try and make an earlier appointment with the doctor but I still stand by my lovely Valium!

McNewPants2013 Wed 31-Jul-13 21:12:06

I am glad you have spoken to the doctors and hope you find a treatment that works for you.

Turniptwirl Wed 31-Jul-13 21:13:27

Yeesh after your nasty nocturnal incident I changed my mind and agree coming off them is best (obv you care what I think!) glad your doc supports you in this. That is absolutely not a normal side effect that you should just put up with!

To those saying "placebo effects", you don't know what you're talking about. ADs are very powerful drugs and can have an effect immediately even though the desired effect usually takes a while to kick in fully. When I switched to venlafaxine, after a hellish withdrawal from duloxotine and a week of no meds, within a couple of hours of the first tablet I had stopped feeling dizzy and sick and my mood improved. At my check up I said this to the doc and that I thought it was prob a placebo effect to have happened so quickly but she said no not placebo they can act quickly and are powerful

Turniptwirl Wed 31-Jul-13 21:13:46

OP hopefully your doc can put you

Turniptwirl Wed 31-Jul-13 21:14:18

On an alternative AD, although I understand you may well be reluctant to risk the side effects again.

filee777 Wed 31-Jul-13 21:22:39

I would like to try an alternative AD but it will have to be with careful planning, so a week signed off and one that doesn't make me crap myself because that was a bit too much.

SirBoobAlot Wed 31-Jul-13 21:51:31

You won't necessarily react the same again next time; though it is well worth discussing with your GP what happened so they can work out what would be best of prescribe you.

I'm on Venlafaxine and Respiridone again, have been on them both before. Expecting the venlafaxine to take the usual amount of time to start working, but respiridone works incredibly quickly and my anxiety is already decreased.

Irishchic Wed 31-Jul-13 22:09:09

Is valium not highly addictive though and really difficult to come off? I suppose it depends on how often you take the valium OP, its prob not daily is it?

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 31-Jul-13 22:40:05

Just read whole thread. I think 20mg was a bit high as a starting dose, 10mg od would have been better I think. Out of interest, had you been taking valium regularly and then stopped when you started the citalopram

If you are referring to valium as lovely (the feeling it gives you is lovely, I'm sure) and wishing you could stay on it indefinitely, then in the nicest possible way, I think you need a reality check. Valium is highly addictive and masks your anxiety whilst giving you another problem to deal with - that of increasing tolerance and dependance over time. SSRIs, whilst having varying degrees of nasty side effects and difficulties in coming off them, don't have the same issues with tolerance and needing larger doses. It works well as a short term measure, but there's a reason you can't keep taking it and it isn't just to stop you feeling lovely.

Regarding citalopram, I've been on it for about 8 years now. It's had the best, most stabilising effect of all the ADs that I've taken (venlafaxine, on the other hand, was absolutely fucking disasterous for me and my life, and made me briefly suicidal and manic). However I've always been able to reduce my dose in the summer when I'm more stable, and increase it in the winter. The last two years I've found that harder and this year I've had a real bugger of a time reducing it this summer, despite being in a better headspace than previously. If I miss just one dose I start getting brain shivers and feeling very odd, which absolutely did not happen previously. I've had to reduce incredibly gradually, reducing by 5mg every other day (so cutting 10mg tablets in half and taking 40mg one day and then 35mg the next, then 40mg, then next day 35mg again, then every two days until I'm stable on 35mg each day Then I've done the same down to 30mg per day). This has never happened before - I've been able to reduce by 10mg at a time - but this time I've been fine, reduced the dose and just crashed a week later. It's put the wind up me a bit and I want to try coming off them.

Anyway sorry for rambling on. My point is that it takes trial and error to find an AD that suits you, so you're right not to put up with unacceptable side effects. Keep with it though - when you find the right one then you will feel better, promise. wink

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 07:07:45

I've only ever taken Valium on an adhoc basis, so feel a bit anxious and take one, not able to sleep - take two

I usually have 28 tablets last me 3/4 months

It's certainly not something I would ever dream of taking every day.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 09:23:11

Okay I've arranged to have a phone appointment with my doctor on Monday, I'm going to arrange a week when I can possibly be off work to allow the drugs to calm down if they are going to affect me adversely

I'm also going to speak to work about when that could be because I don't want to mess them about at all or leave them in the shit.

Glad you have a plan now smile

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 12:43:12

Okay I spoke to work and they have no convenient sick days for me until the first of September! Which is a complete arse, but they realise if I do go off sick then it will be because I have to and stuff

Anyway I am working tomorrow and then a couple of hours on Sunday so I am planning on starting something new tonight and having that time to recover

I spoke to the doctor this afternoon and she is writing me a prescription but wouldn't tell me what for.

I have to pick it up at 2.45

StraightJacket Thu 01-Aug-13 14:04:12

Strange she wouldn't say, but fingers crossed for you that these ones won't give you any side effects, or at least nasty ones!

valiumredhead Thu 01-Aug-13 14:09:13

It's worth taking a half dose to start with and building up to a full dose ime. Very usual to have side effects to start with and they usually wear off.

You might have to take some time of sick just as you would with a physical illness.

Hope you start feeling better very soonsmile

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 14:12:40

Well I wanted them today because I will have time to adjust...

Well a bit of time! We are off to longleat on Sunday and I do have an hour or twos work also.

But I'll battle through and work will understand if I am off and Liam will be home to look after me.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 14:37:59

Sertaline, morning or evening?

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 16:35:42

I just took it, around 4pm. I can't afford to have it stop me being able to drive tomorrow and i should know afterwards if i am unable to work tomorrow night because of it.

RobotHamster Thu 01-Aug-13 17:21:42

I took sertraline at about tea time. Hope you're ok on it. Apart from feeling a bit dozy I was fine with that. Totally different to the citalopram.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 17:44:40

Well it hasn't bent me sideways like the citalopram did, I am a bit chilled out but nothing more...

StraightJacket Thu 01-Aug-13 18:28:27

I have been on Sertraline before but I honestly can not remember what time of day I took them. Think I was on 150mg in the end. What dose have you been started on?

Here is hoping no other side effects appear!

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 18:31:05

I'm on 50mg at the moment, 150mg sounds huge! Do you find them good for anxiety and depression?

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 18:47:55

Just tried to eat dinner. Not happening

CinnabarRed Thu 01-Aug-13 18:53:53

I had Sertraline and no side effects. I was on 100mg - 50mg morning and the same of an evening.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 19:31:27

Bit nauseous so far, jaw a little tight, definitely don't want to eat anything but craving fizzy drinks.

Couldn't eat my dinner, one bite and had to give up.

Am heavily obese so not too worried about that side effect!

CinnabarRed Thu 01-Aug-13 20:19:55

Ha! Every cloud and all that!

Sounds better than the previous, anyhow.

Assuming you don't zombify or shit yourself or vom, and no reason to think you will, then it's worth ploughing through the appetite/nausea thing. Well worth it.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 20:28:34

I could probably deal with a bit of vom in the interim, shitting myself can sod right off though!

Am definitely not hating it nearly as much as the last stuff, still haven't had any dinner though really enjoying a bottle of ginger beer, hopefully will be able to eat something small tomorrow morning

CinnabarRed Thu 01-Aug-13 21:11:55

You know, the heat probably isn't helping either. Should be cooler tomorrow.

Hope you have a good night.

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 21:16:41

It's really unlike me to be off my dinner! I didn't get to 15 stone by being easily distracted from food!

The only thing I fancy is fizzy pop and fruit!

kali110 Thu 01-Aug-13 21:30:43

Goodluck op. in last 9 years iv been on loads it really is trial and error!im back on sertraline again.have found that this does work for me most of the time. Hope it works for you. Iv allways took it in the morning when i wake up.

kali110 Thu 01-Aug-13 21:32:01

Omg iv never fort iv ever had cravings but i cant stop drinking pop!

filee777 Thu 01-Aug-13 22:10:54

I think I'm going to start drinking fizzy water to quench my fizzy pop needs!

I love mixing soda water and apple juice, it's unbelievably yummy.

kali110 Thu 01-Aug-13 23:27:07

That is a great idea

Sertraline has literally saved my marriage, my relationship with my DCs and my life. Stick with it xx

FloweryOwl Fri 02-Aug-13 00:06:05

I really didn't like citalopram, they did nothing for me except make me feel shit. I stuck with them for months but my depression/anxiety didn't improve at all. Saw a new doctor and got prescribed 100mg sertraline and they're a bit better but my anxiety isn't improving much.I've not slept or ate for two nights, this will probably be my third. My anxiety makes me physically sick and has started to control my life so I now have to go to psycho cognitive therapy and counselling and take it from there. I think you should see your doc again and see what else they can do for you.

FloweryOwl Fri 02-Aug-13 00:08:41

And I take them before bed so if I get to sleep I wake up okay. If I take them during the day I end up wired all night

kali110 Fri 02-Aug-13 15:21:13

Flwoery im only on 50mg doc thinks thats hugh enough even tjo im breakung down crying continously'

filee777 Fri 02-Aug-13 15:27:52

Second tablet of sertaline now taken, I have work for the next 6 hours so hoping nothing weird happens!

valiumredhead Fri 02-Aug-13 15:33:08

Kali-how long have you been on them? They can take a good 6-8 weeks to get the full benefit of them.

I'm only on 50mg with the option to increase if I need to.

kali110 Fri 02-Aug-13 21:39:33

Been back on them for about two years now. I had them when i was first really ill.i homestly didnt know you could go up to 150mg. My doc was saying 50mg is high enough. I was thinking she isnt bloody me.
Is there another name for valium in uk?

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 07:14:13

vallium is diazepam. which i am slowly beginning to rely on to fall asleep because this stuff is keeping me awake! Am moving the time i take it back by hour increments until I'm taking it in the morning.

Speaking to the doctor on Monday, so going to find out if there is anything less addictive that i can use to help me drop off at night.

Turniptwirl Sat 03-Aug-13 07:19:14

Glad you're doing better on sertaline OP

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 08:15:44

Hi OP, well done for for your commitment - its so easy to give up when tablets seem to make things even worse. I really hope you get a good result from the sertraline. I have had massive, life changing effects from it. I'm so relaxed these days, never really have a cross word in our house! I would say be careful with benzos, I sent myself a bit unstable with them, but then you sound a lot more stable than I was at the time. At least I had the insight to bin mine.
I take my Sertraline as soon as I wake up and then take a Doxepine before I go to bed/sleep. Doxepine is a trycyclic, it makes me sleep very well. I see a psychiatrist periodically, I think they are (naturally) better at prescribing ADs than GPS. If you are concerned about your weight then mention it to your psychiatrist or whoever is prescribing because some ads will make you very hungry and put on weight. I find that I have a smaller appetite on my tablets but I drink about 3 litres of carbonated water a day!
Well done and keep going - you sound immensely strong but you need to look after yourself. Have a big hug and keep us updated. BTW, I've had unbelievable support on the mental health topic here.

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 08:32:54

Thank you turn

art that was such a lovely post! I am finding myself much less hungry on my sertraline, well i wouldnt say i am less hungry, i would say i am less inclined to eat and eat and eat.

Yesterday i had fruit for breakfast, a lovely soup for lunch but the real change came in the evening when i didnt overload myself with food and did have 1 biscuit in the evening rather than eating the whole packet.

i definitely need something to help me sleep though, or i am just going to keep taking vallium for it. I can't afford to be unable to sleep, I have young children that wake very early in the morning and i need to be able to sleep at night!

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 08:42:19

Yes sleep is key. I think that's been a major part of me getting well - just the fact that no matter what's been going on I can just take my tablet, snuggle up and zonk out. No more panic attacks or crying at 3 in the morning (in the guest loo so I don't wake others!) Are you doing anything nice today?

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 08:49:49

Its my weekend off (woot) so today we are going to pick up my sons birthday present, it was his birthday last month but it got delayed and then they wouldnt deliver it in any reasonable way so we are going to have to travel to collect it.

Then i think we might make a roast dinner. Tomorrow we are going to Longleat Safari park for the day because DH's work have a deal going on tomorrow where we can go for a fiver each, see all the attractions and get £36 in food and drink vouchers! Not bad!

so yes a very nice day/weekend indeed

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 08:59:31

That sounds great. Have lovely time x x

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 09:39:48

Are you up to anything nice this weekend?

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 13:21:12

We were going to go away but one of our guinea pigs is poorly and I want to keep an eye on him. He got heatstroke bless him, he's on the mend but I still need to give him electrolytes and stuff. Good luck for your next appointment.

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 13:38:54

Well we went to waitrose and saw an old friend who invited us to a festival she puts on in a few weeks, unfortunately of the two friends that have really screwed me over the last few months are going to be there and I just don't think I can see them, they have contributed a lot to this recent bought of seriously feeling shit about myself and I just don't want to be around people right now I don't want friends because they just hurt me and I don't want to have to deal with this

I now feel awful.

kali110 Sat 03-Aug-13 14:16:10

Omg longleat i am sooooooo jealous! Have obsession since that zoo program was on tv.
Didnt realise if was diazapan, no wondet my doc rarely prescribes that even though its only tjing that stops my back spazming.

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 20:13:34

Sweetie, even if your nice reasonable side wants to accommodate people and see the best in them, now you have to stop. It maybe that the whole thing is in your head cos of existing depression but hey, y'know, if they are try friends then they'll pick right back up with you in a few weeks or months. Your mental health is your priority right now. You can still put yourself first and you must do, even if you are still caring for DH and DCs. Take the path of least resistance for your brain, not for others. As the Mama you are a very important person to your family's success. Family first and you most important. PM me if you want to chat x x

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 20:15:15

True friends. Not try friends.

filee777 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:29:33

Ii think you're right, though I don't think I have Ny 'true friends' I prefer t just be me and my boys now because it's easier, its not that people are bad, its more that I cannot have a normal friendship, I get really involved and end up hurting and then being hurt and hurting others. I was always taught that crying was a sign of weakness so I rarely cry but I get so frustrated and lash out emotionally. I'm jus not a very nice person, really.

ArtVandelay Sat 03-Aug-13 23:26:14

That's a load of shit, really! You are a nice person, I bet you are. You just need to chill out a bit and meet some nice people. I'll be your MN friend - I'm really laid back and hard to offend and I don't get judgey smile

filee777 Sun 04-Aug-13 06:43:28

Thanks Art, I'll pm you when I'm back from the park so I don't lose you in the midst

kali110 Sun 04-Aug-13 11:59:30

Filee777 dont give up on true friends. I had 2 bestmates who i always supported but when i needed them they werent there. Said i was too much dramA and apprantly put on a show when i lost my dad. Bitch. Other one married an ex. Iv tried to make peace but now even though it hurts i dont fucking bother.theyre ones missing out! When i needed someone people i worked with who hadnt known that l

kali110 Sun 04-Aug-13 12:00:16

Ong where there and now are best friends i could have wished for. There are good people out there x

EvenCowgirlsGetTheBlues Sun 04-Aug-13 17:53:36

I took CITALOPRAM for 5 days and I had severe side effects and I just wanted to end it all!

I stopped taking it after 5 days as I just could NOT carry on the way I was! I am appalled that this drug was given to me so easily! I had continual heart palpitations and thought I was going to die!

I decided to get on a train and go to the seaside, have a massage and TALK to some friends!

CITALOPRAM was not the answer for me and I think it is a very, very dangerous drug to be given out so very quickly.

Was never 'great' on drugs in my 20s and the doctor never once asked me about if I had ever taken any recreational drugs before and how they had effected me ... this I find very worrying indeed.

I wanted to end it all when I was taking it! My hair fell out the first day, I could not stop going to the toilet, I could not sleep, I cried for 4/5 hours and was so, so, so tired ALL the time. My dreams were very scary and I was hallucinating. I could not eat and lost 1/2 stone in 3 days.

I am so very glad I came off it and I am annoyed at myself that I did not know what this drug was before I took it as I had done no research on it at all - not like me ...

I am going through a horrible separation from my partner of 21 years and it has nearly destroyed me BUT I am not going to be defeated by all of this and the best thing I did was STOP taking CITALOPRAM. Oh and leave my partner who had a new 'girlfriend' from 'work' only 4 weeks after we separated!!!

I needed the sea, the sun on my face and to TALK to someone and not take CITALOPRAM!

Good luck OP and talk to someone about all of this and get out of the house as this was a killer for me too.

I am looking at 'alternative' therapies as drugs just don't do it for me and I was very scared taking this.

I was given 20mg!


EvenCowgirlsGetTheBlues Sun 04-Aug-13 17:56:07

That was meant to read :

' I cried for 4/5 hours every day, if not more ... '


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