Nursery Policies

(121 Posts)
mamalovesminky Wed 24-Jul-13 14:53:31

My child had a temperature last night but it went down this morning so DH dropped her off to nursery with a bottle of Calpol to be administered by staff in case it rose again.

They asked DH if it was prescribed by the doctor or bought. He said it was bought.

A few hours later, the nursery staff range me to say her temperature had risen but they couldn't administer the Calpol as it wasn't prescribed. I said it WAS prescribed - the doctor gave prescribed it a few weeks ago when she had chicken pox.

They said that's not the info they had received from daddy so they couldn't administer and I had to come and collect her. I said that daddy wouldn't know as she's with me when she's not at nursery but they said they HAD to take the word of whoever drops her off (even if the person who drops her off is not the person with the correct info).

AIBU to think this is madness? I'm obviously more than happy to take time off from work and collect her from nursery if she really does need to be at home but if DH had said the Calpol was prescribed, they would have administered it, her temperature would have gone down and she would not have had to be dragged away from nursery in tears.

She loves her 2 days a week at nursery and it is really not nice to see your child upset completely unnecessarily IMHO. What do others think?

Maryann1975 Wed 24-Jul-13 14:56:31

If it was prescribed it would have a label on it with name of child and dosage on, surely? It's quite a big responsibility to administer medicine to someone else's child. If that is their policy you have to go with that.

AmandinePoulain Wed 24-Jul-13 14:56:59

I think that if you're child is ill they shouldn't be in nursery at all - it's not fair on them, other children or the staff.

Lorelai Wed 24-Jul-13 14:57:41

Well to be fair, that particular bottle may have been prescribed, but not for this illness - it isn't quite the same thing.

maja00 Wed 24-Jul-13 15:00:13

The child is ill - they need to go home. Many nurseries won't give calpol anyway - if a child is unwell enough to need medicine then they are too unwell for nursery.

If the medicine was prescribed, it would have a label on it. I can see the nursery being suspicious that one parent says it wasn't prescribed, but then when they have to pick the child up suddenly it is prescribed.

Maryann1975 Wed 24-Jul-13 15:00:36

And yes, I agree with amandine, if your child had a temperature she probably shouldn't have been at nursery anyway. The temperature may have gone, but she was probably still ill (obviously was as the temperature returned) and passed her germs around her little friends.

Our nursery won't give calpol prescribed or otherwise, nor will it give any other medication that isn't a necessary daily medication or for a condition like asthma that isn't going to go away. You're lucky your nursery would give prescribed medication full stop.

wigglesrock Wed 24-Jul-13 15:16:36

It's pretty standard as far as I'm away. The fact that the Dr prescribed Calpol for her, when she had chickenpox is of no relevance at all. She doesn't have chicken pox now. We have a big bottle of generic Calpol prescribed by the GP for dd2 (tonsillitis), but that doesn't mean I would expect school/ nursery to give it to her if she had an earache just because she already had it iyswim.

mamalovesminky Wed 24-Jul-13 15:18:48

Thanks Maja - I can see now that she fed me that line about having to take the word of whoever dropped her off because she suspected I was lying (I'm not - there was a label on the packaging but not on the bottle).

It was the lack of logic in the argument that annoyed me rather than picking her up, because DH is not to know whether the medicine was prescribed or not and although he should have called me to check, it was an innocent mistake that I felt DD shouldn't have had to pay for.

It also sent alarm bells ringing in my head in case he gives them the wrong info on other matters relating to DD as he has dyslexia and sometimes gets my messages confused.

Incidentally, there's always at least 1 child in her room at nursery being administered Calpol and she has picked up her fair share of bugs from her little friends (the latest being chicken pox) so I don't really feel it was unfair of me to have dropped her off given that her temperature was normal this morning. Anyway she's happy again now so I am too. Thanks for your answers. x


Don't send an ill child to nursery, not fair on the child, the other children or staff

SarahBumBarer Wed 24-Jul-13 15:21:08

Prescription lable is quite likely to be on the box not the bottle.

I think nursery's attitude is madness particularly given that the OP's question was about the policy of only taking the word of the parent dropping off even if incorrect not the adminstering of calpol per se.

with regard to giving calpol, both nurseries that DC have attended are quite happy to give calpol. having heard a number of stories on MN about attitudes by nursery to things like administering calpol/sunscreen etc this was one of the things I checked up on whilst vetting nurseries. Happily in our town ALL of the nurseries I looked at had sensible attitudes towards this and were happy to administer one dose provided the parent confirmed that no earlier doses had been given.

I think nursery is a fine place for a child with a little temperature that can be brought down by a single dose of calpol - it is a good distraction for them. What would you do - wrap them up in cotton wool and keep them at home? Ah - clearly yes.

Nurseries have pretty strict rules about when children can attend if ill - D&V for example are no-no's pretty universally but as for a minor temperature - thankfully they are usually sensible about that.

AmandinePoulain Wed 24-Jul-13 15:25:19

No, I wouldn't 'wrap her in cotton wool', but I would keep her at home where I can keep an eye on her, stop her infecting other children and staff and look after her. A 'little temperature' could develop into any number of things. Okay so it might not but is it really fair on the child to be at nursery when ill, fair on the staff who have to presumably pay more attention to that child than every other child in the room, or fair on the other children to be exposed to goodness knows what? (And before you ask yes I have a child at nursery so know how inconvenient it can be when she's ill).

Meglet Wed 24-Jul-13 15:30:01


We're not even allowed to send them in within 12hrs of having calpol or 24hrs of having a temperature. It's a PITA but it's only fair on the staff and other children.

Sirzy Wed 24-Jul-13 15:33:19

If a child is ill enough to need medicine (other than inhalers and other regular medication) they shouldn't be in nursery.

Groovee Wed 24-Jul-13 15:33:52

We have to have the prescribed medicines on the box or bottle handed in and a formed signed filling in all the information. That's because one parent when called about her poorly child replied "Give him a double dose of calpol then!"

If they need calpol for a temperature then they need to be at home.

lj123 Wed 24-Jul-13 15:41:09

I work in childcare and it has to be prescribed with a label and it has to be given for the current illness, you cannot use the medicine if same bottle for an illness it hasn't been prescribed for especially for cater to be giving.
Having said that if your child is generally unwell with high temperature or not it takes a whole member of staff to care for that child and nursery isn't the place there's other children that need care too.
Calpol doesn't always take temperature down either so it's eat for child to be at home where comfortable I recover, you never know what else they may pick up in nursery if unwell already only adding to the issue of you taking time off work. Xx

exoticfruits Wed 24-Jul-13 15:49:34

You seem to have 2 threads on it. They have to play safe - parents will sue if things go wrong. If they might need calpol they are not well enough to go anyway.

PearlyWhites Wed 24-Jul-13 15:55:01

Yanbu my dc's nursery gives calpol but only prescribed , however your dh should have given the box not just the bottle.

mamalovesminky Wed 24-Jul-13 15:57:22

Thanks peeps - please see my follow up post above. Maja has solved my problem. Thanks also to Sarah Bumbarer (great name by the way) for understanding what my actual gripe was. Exotic fruits - I thought I did 2 posts by mistake - can you tell me where the other post is and how I delete it? I'm not a regular here and am all thumbs today. Thanks again x

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 24-Jul-13 16:00:39

Odd. DS has a bottle of Calpol that is just for nursery, and if he needs it, then they give it to him. Having a bit of temperature does't always = being ill. Might just be teething.

Wandastartup Wed 24-Jul-13 16:08:08

Give neurogenic in the morning-it lasts longer and temp will stay down till pick up...

Wandastartup Wed 24-Jul-13 16:08:39

Sorry neurofen!

mamalovesminky Wed 24-Jul-13 16:16:20

@PearlyWhites - I can't actually blame him for that too ;) - I threw the box away as soon as I got home - I thought (bizarrely) that Calpol is Calpol and that I would have no need for the packaging. Why would it make any difference whether I bought it or was prescribed it - it's Calpol - it brings a child's temperature down and she had a temperature that needed bringing down agghh! I knew she wasn't seriously ill because she was happily hopping about wanting to stay and play at nursery. Also I'd just like to stress, it wasn't having to collect her that annoyed me (love being with my baby girl <3) but the apparent lack of logic in their policy. They seem to be OTT on virtually every issue making it v bad value for money. Hop Along - where is your nursery? Would love to move her somewhere smaller and a little less officious.

BionicEmu Wed 24-Jul-13 16:22:36

DS's nursery happily give Calpol. I just have to sign a medicine sheet when I drop him off & they'll give it to him, either at a time I specify or when they think he needs it. Very handy for teething, or now he's a bit older, for a headache or sore throat etc.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 24-Jul-13 16:28:15

I have been slated on here because my child's nursery will let children go when they are ill, as long as they are 'well in themselves', so as long as they aren't miserable and ill, they can go. They let children recovering from chicken pox go. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I knew the policies before I booked his place, and he loves it there. They are relaxed to the point of horizontal about bugs and illness (although not D and V). They call me if he becomes unwell and Calpol hasn't made him feel better. I don't tend to send DS when he is obviously unwell, but a bit of temperature overnight is nothing really. It's in North Manc.

xylem8 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:28:58

Ir she has a fever she shouldn't be at nursery.End of.

marfisa Wed 24-Jul-13 16:36:24

YABU. This is totally standard nursery policy. As xylem said, if she has a high temperature, she should go home.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 24-Jul-13 16:39:59


At DS's nursery only medicine that has been prescribed is allowed to be given.

If your child was needing calpol for a temperature they shouldn't have been at nursery to begin with.

Our nursery had a Calpol policy - they'd administer once for a mild temperature, so long as they had the Calpol form signed by a parent, but if the temperature stayed up, or went back up, child went home.

This particular bottle may have been prescribed for OP's DD, but not for this particular illness, so IMHO it wouldn't count as prescribed here anyway.

Phineyj Wed 24-Jul-13 16:51:17

Well our nursery must be unusual as they will administer Calpol (although they expect you to then collect), it doesn't have to be prescribed, and also apply sunscreen!

OP, YANBU as if we all took such a cautious approach to illness as some posters are suggesting, workplaces up and down the land would be empty and I imagine a number of working mums (and a few dads) would lose their jobs.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 24-Jul-13 16:54:29

Hang on, there are nurseries that wont apply suncream?!

SpiderCharlotte Wed 24-Jul-13 17:03:19

Our policy has recently changed in that we can administer unprescribed Calpol providing a parent has signed a medicine form and it will only be administered minimum of 4 hours after the child has arrived at nursery. In my experience 9 times out of 10 the child has to go home anyway as they are unwell and nursery is not the best place for an ill child.

We also put suncream on but also have to have a signed form as a lot of our children have their own cream,

BionicEmu Wed 24-Jul-13 17:12:45

Why wouldn't a nursery apply sun cream?!

SummerHoliDidi Wed 24-Jul-13 17:15:27

This is partly why I chose my cm rather then the nurseries round here. My cm will give dd calpol if I ask her to, and if I give her the bottle in the morning, none of the nurseries would do that. Cm even took dd when she had chicken pox, because all 3 children she looks after had it at the same time (because they all caught it from the toddler group they go to), so they all went and she stayed at home with 3 poxy toddlers for a week (apart from meeting up with her cm friend who also had poxy children with her).

OP I would be annoyed with that policy too, I can understand a policy that says all children will be sent home if they need calpol, or a policy about only administering prescribed medication, but not this policy of only believing the parent who drops off even if they're wrong.

Dackyduddles Wed 24-Jul-13 17:24:07

Sorry, did I hear you say you would like a less officious nursery?!

Because you want somewhere with few clear rules that stick to them? You want nurseries with sensible rules that run to them consistently, which it sounds this place does. You just didn't like it when it did!

I work in a preschool and I think your nursery has done the right thing. I think you were in the wrong to be honest to expect your DH to say it was prescribed Calpol when in fact it wasn't, at least not for her current condition. I wouldn't give a feverish child calpol (or anything else) unless it was prescribed, in which case it would have a label on the bottle showing dosage etc, the parent would also need to complete a form showing details of the condition, dosage etc. I think really if they are poorly enough to need pain relief during the day they should be at home. I appreciate it's a pain especially for working parents but there you are.

Zzzzmarchhare Wed 24-Jul-13 20:46:20

It seams a waste of a GPs time to me to prescribe calpol- yes if course parents should take their child to drs to get checked out if needed but why shouldn't nursery give calpol to a teething baby?
I want my nursery to ring me or DH if DS is ill and needs to be at home but if his teething is stopping him nap then I'm more than happy for them to give him calpol.

ShadowMeltingInTheSun Thu 25-Jul-13 07:20:25

Sounds like a standard nursery policy. DS's nursery won't give any medicine, including Calpol or generic alternative, without it being prescribed for that child and the parents filling in forms about the medicine. They also won't take the child into the nursery until they've been on the medicine for 48 hrs - not sure if that's in case of allergic reactions, or to give the child a chance to start getting better at home.

Also, specifically re. Calpol, they refuse to give any at all until the child's been at nursery for at least 4 hrs, to avoid any accidental overdosing, and if the Calpol's had to be given because the child has a temperature, they'll call up the parent and ask them to come and take the child home, on the grounds that a child ill with a temperature is too ill for nursery. I agree it's a PITA if you've got work and your child doesn't seem to bad, but this is as much to try and prevent ill kids infecting the rest of the kids in the nursery as anything else.

Given that the Calpol in your case had no pharmacy sticker on the bottle, and your DH saying it wasn't prescibed originally, I can understand the nursery treating it as if it's not prescribed.

Incidentally, Zzzzmarchhare, the GP's at my local surgery seem happy to hand out prescriptions for Calpol (or generic alternative) like candy. Whenever I've taken DS in with a temperature (he has always had other worrying symptoms too, not just a temperature), they've offered me a prescription for Calpol without me saying a word about wanting any.

Sirzy Thu 25-Jul-13 07:31:50

And it's GPs prescribing things like that like candy which is costing the NHS a fortune! Unless parents really can't afford it or they need a much bigger dose than normal then parents should just be told to go and buy it.

Turniptwirl Thu 25-Jul-13 07:46:35

I don't get why they took the bottle if they wouldn't administer it?

TarkaTheOtter Thu 25-Jul-13 07:49:02

I think it's more to do with wanting an official doctor's label with gp approved dosing information for that particular child.

Also to avoid the situation where two parents giving conflicting information about the medicine smile

Katnisscupcake Thu 25-Jul-13 08:05:48

If DD has a temp I dose her up and if she is fine in herself, I still send her to preschool. Like a lot of places, the preschool won't administer medication anyway and they would call if her temperature rose again.

Having raised the issue of temperatures, the preschool actually told us that it was fine to send them in if they seemed Ok and didn't have any other symptoms of anything. The only time you are asked to keep the DCs at home is for D&V and something like Chicken Pox.

LimitedEditionLady Thu 25-Jul-13 08:15:47

I send mine with calpol,no issues with nursery.They ring and ask me befire they give it him as procedure and are quite happy to do it.Sometimes they have a temp due to teething so i agree its fine for them to give calpol x

LimitedEditionLady Thu 25-Jul-13 08:17:45

Calpol does have dosage on the bottle?

TheDoctrineOfAllan Thu 25-Jul-13 08:42:27

I'm surprised the chemist gave Calpol with a sticker on the box not a generic alternative which would have had a label on the bottle.

Our local boots will put a label on otc medicines bought from them to get round this and avoids unnecessary doctors appointments. Very sensible imho

If your child has a temp you should pick them up, not expect the nursery to dose them with calpol. The calpol was prescribed for chicken pox, not a random temp a few weeks later.

It's also incredibly unfair to dose your child with calpol when they are ill and send them to nursery or to send them after a temp the night before, having been in the situation of looking after a child in a nursery whose calpol has worn off and parent 'on their way' four hours later from working across the road I can tell you it's not bloody nice for all involved and all the child wants is their parent! It can completely disrupt a day and it happens too often.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 25-Jul-13 12:09:00

Our local pharmacy has a scheme where they give calpol and nurofen for free, to stop you going to the GP for it. It's a great thing.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Thu 25-Jul-13 15:09:42

Why would you need a Dr to tell you what dosage of calpol to give? It's written right there on the bottle?

Just because a child has a temperature over night, they might not be even remotely ill the next day. And if DS is fine with a dose of calpol, and nursery are happy to give him any more if he needs it, then I don't see the problem. The whole world does not grind to a halt because someone has a sniffle. I do not object at all to picking up DS, or taking the day off when he really is poorly. But if he's running around and playing but needs calpol or ibuprofen to manage teething pain or the tail end of a virus etc, then both me and his nursery are fine with it.

TarkaTheOtter Thu 25-Jul-13 15:22:54

Because not all children can take calpol or nurofen. And some low weight chdren might need a lower dose than tbe acerage dose for their age. Ican understand why for safety reasons they might want a drs or pharmacy label on all medicines the dispense so they are not liable for giving wrong dose.

bottleofbeer Thu 25-Jul-13 15:58:51

I trained a nursery nurse (or pre-school practitioner if yewwww don't mind) they've all got rules, regulations and policies coming out of their bum. It surprised me just how much they won't do. Considering the money you pay for them to look after your child. A year's course per level and about 80% of it is just learning the rules and protocol of working in a nursery setting. I think most people with half a brain can safely administer calpol.

It's all gorn mad!

bottleofbeer Thu 25-Jul-13 16:01:18

Oh the irony. I just gave me son an antihistamine and he asked me if I was sure it was the right stuff. I said "of course, what? don't you trust me?"

He said "no, remember the time you gave me a spoonful of calamine lotion instead of calpol?" grin

TarkaTheOtter Thu 25-Jul-13 17:04:10


LimitedEditionLady Thu 25-Jul-13 18:26:45

At out nursery we the parents sign the calpol in so its sort of permission form and tell them when they last had some on the form and you cant leave any unless the form has been signed and the calpol stays at reception.i think its a good system.

Zzzzmarchhare Thu 25-Jul-13 20:24:05

My point re the GPs wasn't that they wouldn't prescribe calpol if needed more that I wouldn't take DS to see the GP because he had a slight temp or was teething- I'd buy calpol and give it to him. That's the reason it is available over the counter- because it is a mild analgesic which can be used at parent/ carers discression. If DS was ill enough to need the GP he would not be in nursery.

I think a sensible policy at nursery will make parents more likely to be honest how and not send children actually ill to nursery with D&V or really ill.

newyearnewattitude Fri 26-Jul-13 07:50:09

At my nursery they have their own supply of calpol and you sign a form each year giving permission for one dose to be given if child has a temperature. They then call you when they have given it to let you know if its worked or not... They will happily apply suncream which they provide too and its s big chain sited on a hospital so plenty of medical help nearby if needed and more importantly they use common sense!

Theas18 Fri 26-Jul-13 07:55:22
chelsbells Fri 26-Jul-13 08:01:50

I work in a nursery and we get high temperatures fairly often, teething, bugs etc. I'm surprised to see that many of your children's nurseries don't supply Calpol for a temperature..! For us, parents sign off to say if they have a temp they are all Calpol, plus a courtesy call before we give it. The child is monitored and if the temp comes down, they stay, if it doesn't, then they go home.
It can be a pain when you can see a child really just needs to be at home resting, but sometimes the Calpol does its job and they're fine then! I'd be annoyed at having to take them home - YANBU - however the nursery need to consider their polices!

BlackholesAndRevelations Fri 26-Jul-13 08:01:55

I'm curious to know why your dh wouldn't know what had been prescribed for your child. Would you not tell him? Would he not ask? confused

WeleaseWodger Fri 26-Jul-13 09:06:02

Common sense - prescribed FOR the condition she CURRENTLY has.
Just because a doctor prescribed a generic pain killer for another ailment weeks ago. They can't administer drugs that a doctor didn't specifically prescribed FOR that condition!

Guiltismymaster Fri 26-Jul-13 10:05:41

Our nursery gives our DS their calpol according to the dosage on the bottle if he has a temperature and call me to let me know (I have signed to say it's ok)
As long as he is otherwise happy and OK and his temperature doesn't get too high, he stays there.
I'm really pleased that they take the initiative. They will also take his clothes off and regularly give him water to cool him down.

coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 10:13:33

such mollycoddlers here. Some kids run a temp when teething, it doesnt mean they are ill per se. Our nusery administers 1 dose calpol, if temp rises, doesnt abate or other symptoms persist they will send home. If all fine other than a bit hot they will medicate WITH parental consent.

not every child has a temp for the same reasons.

coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 10:14:26

newyearnewattitude- i think we may be using the same chain, or at least one with the same common sense

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 11:29:03

If a child has a slight temperature with teething but isn't unwell then they don't need to be administered calpol anyway.

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 11:32:55

NICE guidelines are that paracetamol should not be administered just to reduce temperature as it doesn't reduce the risk of febrile convulsions so is unnecessary. I think nurseries who are keeping their own supply of unprescribed calpol and administering it for temperature are on dodgy ground personally.

coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 11:34:59

maja00 then they also dont need to be sent home "sick"...

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 11:36:16

Where I work a perfectly well child who was joining in normally wouldn't be send home.

How about Calpol for the discomfort of teething?

A looong time ago I started a thread - possibly an AIBU - asking if it was appropriate to offer baby DS2 some Calpol to help with his teething. The answer was a resounding and unanimous "dear God, woman, you're leaving your baby in pain - give him the drugs" which made me a bit blush . People kept saying "you'd take paracetamol if you had toothache/a headache, so ffs give the poor child some Calpol!" Only I don't take painkillers until I'm keeling over so it hadn't occurred to me.

WidowWadman Fri 26-Jul-13 11:58:41

Wow. We don't even have to send Calpol in - nursery keep their own, and will ring us, to ask for consent. If child obviously unwell, we of course need to collect, but not if it's just a teething temp or similar.

numbum Fri 26-Jul-13 13:35:05

Our local pharmacy has a scheme where they give calpol and nurofen for free, to stop you going to the GP for it. It's a great thing


coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 13:46:39

maja you're just telling me to never use your nursery...

I expect my childcare to be able to care for my child. If she is ill and unable to play there is no way i send her in, nor do i hesitate in picking her up. If she has a cold or teething the distraction of play keeps her happier than being home. If she has an ear infection, the same applies (she gets them from time to time with no real symptoms until they pop other than a temp). So you would send home a happy playing child if she had a temp? without trying to see if it can be lowered by stripping her off or giving nurofen/calpol?

NICE guidelines also conflict with what GPs have often told me when DD does have a temp. They reccommend regular calpol/ nurofen to keep it down. Just as they reccommend paracetamol for adult running a temp (i had one not long ago)

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 13:50:29

No, a happy playing child with a temperature doesn't need medication or to be sent home.

What a surprise that GPs aren't up to date.

Groovee Fri 26-Jul-13 15:05:42

A temperature is a sign of an infection be it viral or bacterial. You'd soon moan if the nursery had to close because all staff members were off sick. This happened once to us and the parent who moaned the loudest was the one who constantly battled to get us to bend the rules to suit her.

coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 15:10:46

odd how the NHS site also suggests paracetamol for a fever... hmm

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 15:14:50

It says treat discomfort and fever - "if your child is distressed and uncomfortable"

If a child is distressed and uncomfortable then they definitely should not be at nursery. They are ill and will make the other children and staff ill.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 26-Jul-13 17:03:37

numbum Fri 26-Jul-13 13:35:05
Our local pharmacy has a scheme where they give calpol and nurofen for free, to stop you going to the GP for it. It's a great thing

What's with the shocked face? Many pharmacies do it. It's called the minor ailment scheme where you can go see the pharmacist for things like diarrhoea and vomiting, conjunctivitis, hayfever etc.

Or do you think it's appropriate to see your GP to get calpol?

If he's uncomfortable with tooth pain that is completely relieved by a dose of Calpol, he is not ill.

maja00 Fri 26-Jul-13 17:17:34

Teething doesn't cause fevers.

LimitedEditionLady Fri 26-Jul-13 18:50:09

I was told teething can cause a slught temperature?

Wow... Our nursery is obviously much more relaxed... They have capol on site, and If child develops a temp, they call to confirm you are happy for them to administer. If temp is not down within 30-45 mins they ask you to collect. I think I signed something when I registered my child to say I was happy with this, and also with sunscreen being administered.

And I have to say.. There is hardly any kids off sick/Ill

mamalovesminky Sat 27-Jul-13 20:09:18

PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND BEFORE FORMING OPINIONS AND REPLYING.... It seems quite a few people are missing the whole point of my gripe here...

Just to clarify, my problem is NOT
a) DD was sent home because she was ill
b) My nursery requires the bottle to be prescribed and labelled before administering medicine

My problem IS:
a) They sent DD home instead of administering Calpol because they decided to take the word of the person dropping her off (DH), rather than the person with the correct information (ME).

b) They made me lose a day of work as when I picked her up and gave her a single dose of Calpol she was perfectly fine (she's just teething).

c) It feels from this incident like the nursery don't trust me which makes me very uneasy to leave DD there.

Here's my most recent conversation with the nursery...

Nursery: I'm calling to explain why we couldn't administer the Calpol for DD last week as we need it to be prescribed.
Me: It was prescribed - for chicken pox.
Nursery: Daddy was asked and said it wasn't so we had to take his word for it.
Me: Daddy wouldn't know as he's at work and I'm with DD when she's not at nursery. Would you have administered it if he had said it WAS prescribed?
Nursery: Yes, we would have taken it on trust. Well if you bring in a bottle that is prescribed by the doctor, the next time she has a fever we can give it to her.
Me: (*INTERNALLY*) But it WAS prescribed, and you didn't administer it, costing me a day of work and causing my daughter to miss her favourite day of nursery as she loves her Tuesday dance class!

Me: Please could you put the label on the bottle because if not, DD's nursery won't accept it.
Pharmacy: We usually put it on the packaging but I'm sure it won't be a problem.
Me: That's what I thought. But the nursery was insisting if it was prescribed it would be on the bottle.
Pharmacy: Oh, how strange.

ps. Confused Pixie - you are indeed confused. I didn't give DD Calpol in the morning as she no longer had a temperature. She was hopping about happily and demanding to be taken to nursery. Nor did she want me when I got there- she was playing perfectly happily with the other children according to the nursery. Nor is it my nursery's policy only to give Calpol for the ailment it was prescribed as going forward they are perfectly happy to keep a prescribed bottle in nursery for DD 'just in case'. The issue here is that they believed the wrong person (DH instead of me) to know the ins and outs of DD's childcare and as a consequence I missed a day of work. Moreover, I feel that if they are simply going to believe whoever drops her off, not the person with the correct information, more problems could arise in the future as I simply cannot anticipate every question the nursery would ask DH about DD's care. Please read and understand fully before you form opinions and comment.

Thanks x

maja00 Sat 27-Jul-13 20:14:10

Your problem then is that your DH needs to tell the nursery he doesn't know if he doesn't know something.

You both have parental responsibility, you are both authorised to deal with your DD's care, it's not up to the nursery to decide which of you to believe.

meditrina Sat 27-Jul-13 20:22:44

If she is still symptomatic from CP, then she probably shouldn't be at nursery.

If the illness isn't CP, then the calpol was not prescribed for this illness, so the nursery is right to say it falls outside their policy.

I think it's a dreadful waste of NHS drugs budget, and GP time, to get calpol for every illness that requires it. But if that's the policy at the nursery you chose, then you just have to live with. If they accept a bottle "just in case" then they simply don't understand their own policy!

Blimey every nursery I know will happily administer calpol if a parent has signed to say its ok. Teething can cause a fever. YANBU!

Sirzy Sat 27-Jul-13 20:30:02

If the nursery were given a bottle of calpol with no label on it and told it was not prescribed do you really expect them to believe you when they phone you later to pick her up when you suddenly say it is? If I was the nursery nurse I would simply think you were trying to get out of having to pick her up!

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Sat 27-Jul-13 21:37:45

The OP has said that the child WAS NOT ILL in the morning. She had a bit of a temperature overnight, but woke up right as rain with no temperature. Do piss of with the 'lack of love' bullshit. She didn't send an ill child to nursery. If I kept my child off nursery every time he had a slight raised temperature overnight, or needed calpol because of teething, or got a viral rash, he would never ever go. Seriously think a lot of parents need to get a bloody grip.

Maryshoppins Sat 27-Jul-13 21:57:54

I know this wasn't what OP was referring to. But, those people that assume nurseries 'should' administer medicine such as paracetamol for temperatures astound me. I work in childcare. I ask that parents provide me with paracetamol - prescribed. However, I expect parents to collect their child. I will administer the medication and ask that's parent signs the book, but on the assumption that the parent is on their way

Teething does not cause fevers! A raised temperature yes, but anything over 38 degrees is unlikely. By administering paracetamol, you are canvassing the underlying problem. It may not come to anything much, but why take the risk? I would not wish to risk spreading infection or illness to the other children in my setting.

Nurseries or any childcare setting should not be allowing the use of paracetamol for fever - unless they have asked the parents to collect

ReallyTired Sat 27-Jul-13 23:15:36

I totally agree with Maryshoppins. Many nursery nurses are working mums as well and they know what it is like.

"The OP has said that the child WAS NOT ILL in the morning."

Prehaps the symptoms were masked by calpol. Children often go up and down when they are ill. A poorly child needs a quiet rest.

"If I kept my child off nursery every time he had a slight raised temperature overnight, or needed calpol because of teething, or got a viral rash, he would never ever go. Seriously think a lot of parents need to get a bloody grip."

I completely agree a lot of parents do need to get a grip and think about their priorities in life. Surely the health and happiness of your child is far more important than one day's work. Which comes first - your career or your child?

It is not OK to send a sick child to nursery. Nurseries with strict polices on illness have less sickness and the parents need less time off work. DD's day nursery refused to give calpol and would not accept a child who had been on prescribed anti biotics in the 24 hours. In our experience our dd was less ill than our son was at the same age who attended a different day nursery.

MammaTJ Sun 28-Jul-13 06:24:17

I would have told them to ring the person who had dropped her off to come and get her then, but I'm a stroppy arse at times. grin

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Sun 28-Jul-13 06:35:19

It's not about putting my career first, its about getting on with things. I don't send my child to nursery when he is ill, but if he is fine in the morning then I would send him. I do not begrudge picking him up or staying home with him, but only when he is actually ill. And he does get a fever with teething, either that or he has had a virus every single time he has cut a tooth.
I also don't know what kind of calpol you are using but it only lasts for a few hours here, so wouldn't be masking anything in the morning.

Twattybollocks Sun 28-Jul-13 06:52:42

Yabu. The cp

Twattybollocks Sun 28-Jul-13 06:57:04

Yabu. The calpol wasn't prescribed for teething it was prescribed for cp which your dd has recovered from. Nursery were quite correct not to administer.
Also, for those who say "if I kept my child off nursery every time they had a temp they would never be there" perhaps if everyone showed some social responsibility and kept their sick children at home rather than sending them in to nursery, your child might not be ill all the time!
I say this as my sisters dd has been at nursery 5 times in 4 weeks (she goes one day a week) and 4/5 weeks she has been ill a couple of days later with temp/virus. She's getting it from somewhere!

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Sun 28-Jul-13 07:10:39

Or maybe if we all stopped making a massive drama about every little sniffle we'd all just get on with life and working parents would get taken more seriously.

Bowing out now, happy that the nursery we use seems to be run by people with a decent amount of common sense.

Sirzy Sun 28-Jul-13 07:21:01

As surely nobody in their right mind gives calpol for a "little sniffle" then that's not what this is about!

It's about children who are poorly enough to need medication - if they need medicine they shouldn't be at nursery because a) they need rest and snuggles with parents to recovery and b) they could easily be passing the bug around every other child in the nursery.

Also it may be teething but Nursery staff aren't qualified doctors and are unable to diagnose the cause of the fever!

DuttyWine Sun 28-Jul-13 07:52:12

No nurseries should be telling parents their children have temperatures either imo. If they are using thermometers they might not be using them accurately and if they are just guessing that's even worse!

My dd's nursery rang me to say she had 'a really high temperature' and could I immediately come... I rushed panic stricken to find her sat in the hot baby room wearing a fleece jumper zipped up to the neck sweating and red cheeked. Once I'd unwrapped her and gave her a drink of water she was fine! grin

The nursery I work at wont give calpol unless its been prescribed for that occasion and if they are on antibiotics they have to stay off 48 hrs too. And no talking of temperatures either, we just tell parents they feel warm and we try to keep them cool until parent or carer arrives. All sensible advice really.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 28-Jul-13 08:37:13

Eh? Why wouldn't you take a temperature? Surely that's more likely to be correct than feels warm or feels cool?

Icantstopeatinglol Sun 28-Jul-13 08:44:32

I think it totally depends on the illness, some kids do get temperatures very easy and to be fair if I kept my ds off nursery every time he had a temp I'd not have a job now! He was never ill, if he had been I would never send him in. The nursery my dc both went to have been fab and have agreed that giving calpol is fine, they always ring if they are concerned. Most the time calpol was administered they were fine pretty much with minutes! If they weren't I went straight to get them no questions asked. It could be anything from colds to teething, you can't keep your kids off for every little thing.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 08:50:02

Good lord if I had kept Ds1 off nursery for every raised temp he'd never have been in during his first year. Clearly lots of people on this thread don't have to worry about work and taking time off willy nilly.

Yanbu op but my nursery had the same policy about giving medicine but also they said if the child is generally ok they don't have to go home. Luckily I had family that could nip in to give him a dose

Sirzy Sun 28-Jul-13 08:57:48

If people had kept children off with a raised temperature perhaps DS wouldn't have spent so much time in hospital during his first 3 years... it works both ways!

By parents sending their children in when ill it simply keeps the bugs floating round even more and meaning the children will get ill more. If parents took sensible precautions the number of bugs going around could be reduced.

Icantstopeatinglol Sun 28-Jul-13 09:01:39

Omg I've just read some of the posts on here and in shocked at how just because some people are parents that gives you absolutely no right to be so bloody rude about other people's parenting skills!! Opinions yes but there is no need or reason to be so rude!
All kids are different for christs sake! My ds used to get a temp at the drop of a hat whereas my dd hardly ever did. I'm their mother and I know when they're poorly. If (and I'm sure that goes for everyone on here!) I thought for one second one of my dc was ill I would never send them in but seriously you can't keep your kids of nursery/school for every little snuffle......but if you do them that's your call but don't judge others if they don't.
My dr always said it does them no harm at a young age to pick up colds etc and builds up their immune system.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 09:01:54

Agree with sensible precautions, sensible being the key word. There is no way I could have kept DS off for every temp, just not feasible, if he wasnt ill, no other symptoms at all, perfectly fine apart from the temp, he went in because I had no other choice.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 09:05:19

IIRC one week he had a temp Monday, ok Tuesday - Thursday, temp Friday.

Can just imagine how THAT woudl have gone down at work. Day off Monday AND Friday so hmm all round. Not to mention two days unpaid would have meant massive problems for me money wise. Oh and because my work hated women with families because they were a "drain" on them a nice little black mark against my name.

maja00 Sun 28-Jul-13 10:31:27

It's simple really - if a child has a mild temperature but isn't ill, then they don't need any medication and they don't need to stay at home.

If they have a fever and are ill enough to need calpol, they are too ill for nursery.

Nurseries don't need to take temperatures as it is obvious if a child is ill with a fever.

I understand it is hard for working parents to take time off for sick children, but how is that the nursery's problem? It's hard for the nursery staff to take time off when a child has made them ill too, or when their own kids are ill.

Maryshoppins Sun 28-Jul-13 10:49:13

If a nursery is happy to administer medicine for a temperature and the parents feel under pressure with work or think a raised temperature is potentially harmless, then fine - send them!

But in my honest opinion, all childcare settings should not allow a child with a temperature to stay in their setting. They should be allowed to administer paracetamol with the knowledge a parent is on their way to collect their child.

Teething can cause an elevated temperature, but anything over 38 will be due to an underlying illness. Yet I know of several people who have happily dosed their child up with calpol and sent them to nursery for a very high temperature because they assumed their 39 degree temp child was teething. It's really not fair to send a child to school potentially spreading an illness or infection.

It's common sense that by getting a fever, your child is likely fighting something. I think there would be less illness if nurseries and childminders were a little stricter on their policies.

I know this is not the op's original problem. This is just in response to some of the latter posts.

rainbowbrite1980 Sun 28-Jul-13 11:03:16

my childrens nursery would give calpol, signed consent form when they started - we didn't send our own calopol in either, it was theirs. Seemed to be standard policy for local nurseries. I wouldn 't have snet them in ill but they were given calopol a couple of times when they developed a temp at nursery and were waiting for me to pick them up. Or if they were teething.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 11:04:37

Well thank the lord that my nursery isn't that strict and understand the problem some working women face. Id have lost my job within the first year otherwise.

Maryshoppins Sun 28-Jul-13 11:07:32

Surely if the nursery give calpol to a child with a seemingly mild fever, they would not know if it was something more serious seeing as the calpol would effectively bring down the temperature? I think it's madness on the nurseries part.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 11:08:39

Also various website including nhs state that some temps don't cause any problems and can be due to teething, as most of Ds's were. How can people seriously be expected to stay off work for every single bit of a temp in a child that is otherwise fine?

Maryshoppins Sun 28-Jul-13 11:10:08

TheToys- I am a working mother too so I understand how difficult it is. But there would be far less illnesses if everyone kept their child home rather than potentially spreading illness and infection?

insancerre Sun 28-Jul-13 11:11:26

some temps
how are the nursery supposed to determine which high temps are going to be problematic?
the nursery is there to care for children who are well enought to be there
not to make a decision about the health of each child and certainly not to care for poorly children
that is the parent's job, no?

Maryshoppins Sun 28-Jul-13 11:12:15

The NHS website states that a teething temperature is slightly raised and not a fever. Also, the NHS website states that children should not be sent to school with a raised temperature or fever

Maryshoppins Sun 28-Jul-13 11:15:33

That's my point. Calpol will bring their temp down. How will they know the temperature wouldn't have developed into a high fever because the child has an illness?

maja00 Sun 28-Jul-13 11:17:51

A mild raised temperature in an otherwise well child wouldn't mean a child needs to go home though, and doesn't need medication.

A child who is uncomfortable or distressed with a fever so needs calpol shouldn't be at nursery - they need to be at home.

So the issue with calpol is - if a child needs it, they are too ill for nursery. Nurseries should not be administering calpol at all.

Sirzy Sun 28-Jul-13 11:21:56

Exactly maja.

TheToysAreALIVEITellThee Sun 28-Jul-13 11:23:40

Marys - you misunderstand me.

If DS was ill OF COURSE he wont go to nursery, there have been a few instances where I have had to take time off work. If all he had was a bit of a temp, no other symptoms, then he'd go in.

In all the time of him having temperatures every single instance where that was all he had, no other illness materialised. None.

and I did inform the nursery of his temp when I have sent him in, their response was they'd keep an eye on him, let me know if he developed other symptoms - he never did.

Icantstopeatinglol Sun 28-Jul-13 11:26:25

I don't see the problem in giving a child calpol for a raises temp in a child with slight illness or teething. Just the same as if we weren't feeling well we'd take paracetamol to take the edge off. If it was something more serious calpol wouldn't mask it, it just wouldn't work. If you mixed calpol and ibuprofen then yes that would mask symptoms which is why you're told not to do that unless you know exactly what the problem is.
I think raised temp is fine to administer calpol but if they're actually behaving differently and it starts to hit 38.5/39 then I'd be concerned.
Seriously as a working mother you can't take time off work for every little thing. I do keep them off if they're not well though and I think they need to stay at home. I used most of my holidays last year taking time off for illnesses and I'm happy with that but you can't be expected to keep them off for everything.

maja00 Sun 28-Jul-13 11:29:29

Nursery staff aren't medically trained, they are on dodgy ground administering unnecessary medication that has not been prescribed.

Sirzy Sun 28-Jul-13 11:29:52

Giving children medicine isn't a problem. Dosing them up with medicine and then sending them to nursery/school is.

That said nice guidelines say that mild temperatures don't need medicating and are best left so the body can fight. High temps and other symptoms should be medicated but not mild fever.

Icantstopeatinglol Sun 28-Jul-13 11:35:23

I just think it's upto parents to decide, you know your child. My nurserys always been great and if they're concerned they ring me straight away. My ds used to get a temp for every little thing, I seriously wouldn't have a job if I'd picked him up every time.

WilsonFrickett Sun 28-Jul-13 11:38:03

Another way of looking at this is you and your DH gave nursery two completely different stories about the calpol. (which, no matter how you dress it up, was not prescribed for your child's current illness.).

In that situation I would be very nervous to give a further dose because how could I be sure when the child's last dose was? One of the reasons nurseries are careful about calpol is because it's paracetamol and too much paracetamol is a really bad thing. They have two separate stories - I wouldn't want to be the one to administer what could actually be the child's second dose that day.

You and your DH really need to sort out your communication. That's what you should take away from this.

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