to lose it at this angry woman who criticised my parking.

(423 Posts)
bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 14:48:06

So i was in town this morning with the Q7 (or the panzer tank as I call it) and i pulled up to a space. I reversed in a few times but i was always a bit squint. Eventually i left the car squint but still in the bay. I let out my kids and just while i locked the car this woman came over.

she said i should go back and straighten the car out because it was squint. I told her that if she had a q7 i would like to see her park it in such a tight space. She thought i was suggesting that she didn't have a big car because she was poor. i wasn't suggesting that at all. so she went into a long rant about me being disrespectful. i was shocked .

but i didn't shout too much cause i had two kids with me.

aibu to be annoyed at her.

YouTheCat Mon 22-Jul-13 14:50:01

None of her business how you park so long as it's considerately and within the bay.

Silly cow.

squeakytoy Mon 22-Jul-13 14:50:09

if you cant park it properly, dont drive it or at least find a space you are capable of parking it in.. yabu

tabulahrasa Mon 22-Jul-13 14:50:14

Why would you drive a car you can't park?

Sparklingbrook Mon 22-Jul-13 14:51:26

YABU to not be able to park the car.
Woman was BU to comment on it.

CookieLady Mon 22-Jul-13 14:52:16

Agree with tabulahrasa.

ZZZenagain Mon 22-Jul-13 14:52:32

I would have said, yes it could be straighter but I am not having much luck with it. I'll be back to have another go but have to get to an appointment now. I think the heat is getting to people.

Sirzy Mon 22-Jul-13 14:53:00

The woman shouldn't have said anything but I do agree with the "if you can't park it don't drive it" way of thinking.

It really bugs me when people don't park straight in a parking space as it makes it so awkward for others.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 22-Jul-13 14:54:14

Problem is if you park in the bay but all wonky - it does make it hard for others to park next to you. Plus you are increasing your chances of getting your car hit by other car's doors if its hard to get in and out of their own vehicles.

DuelingFanjo Mon 22-Jul-13 14:54:33

were you within the lines? then you were ok.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 14:54:46

i was in the white lines though and it wasn't blocking the road which is quite wide and 1- way.... and i have 2 friends with q7 and they say its hard to park too.

cheeseandpineapple Mon 22-Jul-13 14:55:56

YABU for having a Q7, agree it's a tank of a car!

ZingWidge Mon 22-Jul-13 14:56:43

oh parking thread

littleducks Mon 22-Jul-13 14:57:35

Hate to say it but perhaps a different car would suit you better, within the lines is acceptable to pass your driving test (at least that was the rule when I took mine) but really in daily life it needs to be straight too.

Do you have electric mirrors would fiddling with these help or maybe even getting parking sensors installed?

Travelledtheworld Mon 22-Jul-13 14:57:52

Why do you drive such a huge gas guzzling vehicle in this country where fuel is expensive and parking spaces are small ?
Suggest you go out on a Sunday evening and practice your parking!

TheCraicDealer Mon 22-Jul-13 14:59:48

Those things are huge- must've been a pretty big parking space if you left it "squint but still in the bay". If you can't park a car that big confidently within a few goes then it's not the vehicle for you. Hence why I have a Fiat 500 grin

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 14:59:48

i need a big car beccause i have 3 kids. and if i need to give freinds a lift its got 7 seats.

it does have parking sensors but they go on the solid tone about 50cm from an obstacle.

parking the q7 is done to the cm!

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 15:00:43

What's a Q7?

Am I supposed to be impressed by you owning one,OP?

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 22-Jul-13 15:03:07

A Q7 is a very big 7 seater though. I have an s max as needed a 7 seater but found it easier to park.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:03:39

usual suspect - no you're not meant to be impressed. why would you?

mrsSOAK Mon 22-Jul-13 15:03:43

strange that the woman thought you were commenting on her financial status due to the size of her car...!

i have a car I cant park either. Although mine is not a big car.
I am a new driver (under 2 months)

I stay within the white lines and try to ensure that I am parked in a way that is considerate to others and as straight ass possible.
I do get very flustered when parking and could easily spend ages pulling forwards and backwards trying to get straight, in the middle etc....
I have only had 1 person moan at me about my poor parking, which was a direct result of the car next to me and its poor position.

TheSecondComing Mon 22-Jul-13 15:04:01

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Sparklingbrook Mon 22-Jul-13 15:04:22

Q7 Bit on the large side. There are smaller 7 seaters I would think.

ZZZenagain Mon 22-Jul-13 15:05:18

Whatever car it is, I think if you struggle with parking, you just have to practise and practise when you are on your own at quiet times so that when you need to do it under stress and in a hurry, you are comfortable with it.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:05:27

mrs campbellblack

i like the s max but we live in a wee place called braemar in Scotland and it is often very snowy up here! so 4 wheel drive is useful.

TarkaTheOtter Mon 22-Jul-13 15:05:29

If you have a big car it makes even more of an inconvenience to others if you don't park it straight because it is taking up even more of the space. She shouldn't have got involved if she wasn't next to you though.

Pagwatch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:06:37

I've got three kids, two dogs and drive a mini.
If people need lifts I say 'sorry. I drive a mini'

TheSecondComing Mon 22-Jul-13 15:06:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Twirlyhot Mon 22-Jul-13 15:07:03

Learn how to park.

Sheshelob Mon 22-Jul-13 15:07:29

Come on, OP. Number of kids has nothing to do with it. I grew up with three siblings, two dogs and a cat and my parents crammed us all into a 2CV.

Your enormo-car is a twatmobile designed to crow your wealth and assumed space entitlement to the rest of the world.


LRDYaDumayuIThink Mon 22-Jul-13 15:08:25

I'm usually a right picky wanker about parking properly, but if you're in the lines, what is the problem?

So you left it slanted, so what? confused

If it's in the lines, it won't inconvenience anyone else.

I would have gone with a passive-aggressive tone of great concern and explained that you'd parked inside the white line ... see, this one? ... which is marked out to help drivers know where to park. And thanks very much for her concern anyway.

Sirzy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:08:35

Whatever your reasons for 'needing' such a car you should still be able to park it.

Big cars badly parked cause even more of an inconvenice to others than smaller cars.

Pagwatch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:08:36

A woman parks near me when she drops her DC at school. She also has a mini and a great Dane. The two dc sit in the bak and the great dane sits in the passenger seat.
It does look brilliant. She swears they are all happy.

WipsGlitter Mon 22-Jul-13 15:08:49

If you park 'squint' it makes it harder for everyone else. Try driving into the space, not reversing.

ClaimedByMe Mon 22-Jul-13 15:10:04

My dad has a Q7, he has been driving for nearly 40 years, still cant park that thing, first day he got it he took the wing mirror off getting it in the drive!

ThreeTroikas Mon 22-Jul-13 15:10:53

Ah. Now that you have given your location OP YADNBU.

I once pulled slowly into a wide layby, halting mid manoeuvre to politely let a pedestrian cross in front of me. She started banging on my car, I opened the window and she spewed out a rant about my dangerous and inconsiderate driving and how I shouldn't be allowed on the road. It was quite bizarre, but not the only time something like that has happened to me in the area.

I know the type. Perhaps its even the same woman, or a relative.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 22-Jul-13 15:10:57

Pag - I can't wait to downsize to a smaller car but needed 7 seater to get 3 car seats along the back oh and fit DH in occasionally too.

giddywithglee Mon 22-Jul-13 15:11:11

YABU for driving a car you can't park, but unless the woman was in a space either side of you she shouldn't tell you off. I can see her point though, as I'm sick of people parking their unneccessarily massive 4x4s and 7 seaters in the tiny spaces in our local supermarket (which only has 4 parent and child spaces). Every time I come back to my car I find someone has parked their enormous car next to me and I can't get my baby's car seat back in the car. Harumph!

giddywithglee Mon 22-Jul-13 15:12:39

PS there are other 7-seaters that aren't anywhere near as gas-guzzling or enormous - what about a Vauxhall Zafira or a Ford W-Max?

Pendeen Mon 22-Jul-13 15:13:27

"...i need a big car beccause i have 3 kids.."

No. You don't.

You choose to have a stupidly overweight, unweildy car.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:13:41

giddywithglee i need 4wd where i live . there's often snow. and the village can be cut off to normal cars

Oh come on.

There was no reason to reiterate so many times which car it was.

Tbh, you want everyone to know you have a nice, new expensive car. That's good for you.
I think people should have whatever car they like and can afford.

However, to drive a car like that and not be able to park it is quite simply ridiculous. And it makes you sound like a caricature of a poor little women who has this lovely expensive car, but oh goodness me, I cannot park it, whatever shall I do? Ill just park it in a way to obstruct other people because I couldn't possibly park such a big expensive car all alone.

If you can't handle that size car, get a ford focus
And don't give anyone a lift.

Pagwatch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:13:48

Ah MrsCB. Bloody DHs, there should be a roof rack type device..

Saidar Mon 22-Jul-13 15:14:00

Like LRD, I'm a fucker for parking properly. But in the lines is in the lines.

As long as you're not over the line I don't see how it affects the ability of the person who wants to park next to you to park properly. If you were on the line, fair enough.

Checked out the link, that's a very nice car btw.

MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 22-Jul-13 15:14:36

So you need a tank of a car because you've got 3 kids? Blimey. How do other people manage? YABU.

LadyBryan Mon 22-Jul-13 15:15:15

The thing is, you may leave it, but by being squint chances are even if you're in the lines you're going to inconvenience people either side of you.

I'm afraid I'm of the train of thought that if you can't park it, you shouldn't drive it.

I have 3 kids and 2 dogs
I drive a 1998 Peugeot 106
Oh and live in Scotland too

Living in Scotland does not give you the right to kill the planet with a gas guzzler !!

Sirzy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:16:01

If a car is parked at an angle then it has to be very close to the lines on one side which makes it hard/impossible for the car next to it.

It really isn't hard to park a car straight between 2 lines. If you can't you need an easier to manoeuvre car!

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:16:15


i wasn't obstructing anyone. i was within the lines. the whole point is this random woman berating me on something that has nothing to do with her and tbh isn't a big deal anyway.

K8Middleton Mon 22-Jul-13 15:17:53

Don't worry MrsCB. I expect Pag just lashes him onto the back on a pair of roller skates.

Now, back to the matter at hand. Op have you tried the bus? Absolutely no parking and you can take lots of friends and children and dogs. I like to breast feed when I go on the bus - whether the baby needs a feed or not. The old dears LOVE IT. I always get a supportive eye roll as well when I take the buggy on.

gordyslovesheep Mon 22-Jul-13 15:18:15

Parking at an angle can make it difficult for other drivers to get in their cars

I have three kids, drove an s max, now drive a large jugs ...can park both straight ...yabu

Pagwatch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:18:52


I think 'the whole point' of the thread will become less and less obvious...

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gordyslovesheep Mon 22-Jul-13 15:19:02

Oh haha I have large jugs ... I drive a kuga damn auto correct

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:19:06

just to add it was a parallel parking space.

giddywithglee Mon 22-Jul-13 15:19:16

Does everyone in your village have a 4x4 or do others cope without?

Pagwatch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:19:41

Haha at large jugs!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 22-Jul-13 15:20:00

What about a Zafira or W-max?

Ha ha ha, that comment cracked me up. Given the choice I know which car i'd drive.

JollyHolidayGiant Mon 22-Jul-13 15:21:09

Around here, every second family has a Q7 a Discovery or a Cayenne and we're not far from the OP. Our doctor's surgery has recently painted new, skinny bays in their car park and it is a nightmare trying to get into the spaces when there's a huge car on either side.

We drive a Berlingo which is a bugger to park, but it has sliding doors which make life so much easier.

Parking within the lines at any angle is fine with me.

LadyBryan Mon 22-Jul-13 15:21:17

Ok if you're within the lines and squint, two corners of your car are nearer the lines than they should be. So someone comes and parks properly and goes about their business, come back and you've parked and it is very hard to get into the car.

Someone did it to me at 8 months pregnant. I was in a car park, back at my vehicle and had to argue and argue with the parking attendant not to ticket me because I was back at my vehicle well within the time, but couldn't physically get into my car. Eventually a very kind man pulled my car out for me to enable me to leave.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:21:53


well about 1/4 of neighbours have a 4x4. but when the village is cut off the 4x4 owners drive to the nearest open shop and collect groceries for cut off neighbours. it works really well.

GemmaTeller Mon 22-Jul-13 15:22:51

Q7 -bloody hell, I paid less than they cost for my last house

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 22-Jul-13 15:22:58

Rushes down to patent office with Pag's idea.

To be honest, when the dc's were really small, DH never seemed to want to travel with us anyway. I just can't imagine why wink

I personally think all 7 seaters should come with one of those glass screens like taxis have. My car journeys would be so much more pleasurable with one of those.

macreturnofthe Mon 22-Jul-13 15:24:20

Q7 looks awesome - would love one.....
although it does kinda look like it should be able to park itself

roundtable Mon 22-Jul-13 15:24:24

We've a 5 seater renault scenic and can fit 3 car seats in the back.

Op, sounds like she didn't like the cut of your jib. I'm not sure whether she was unreasonable or not.

ViviPru Mon 22-Jul-13 15:24:53

Twitchy at the mere thought of the exchange between these two humans.

It being a parallel parking space does make your misdemeanour somewhat less irksome, though OP.

PlatinumStart Mon 22-Jul-13 15:26:06

Hmm getting the impression we're supposed to be impressed with the Q7 ownership....

FWIW my car is bigger than a Q7 and its a hell of a lot easier to park than DH's sports car ( natch wink !) all the cameras and alarms make it near impossible to fuck it up.

As for the OP I'm not sure I really care - but the repeated reference to the car by model has made me snigger

giddywithglee Mon 22-Jul-13 15:26:50

TBH I don't blame you for having a 4x4 in rural Scotland.

We live in a small market town in Herts where everyone (not me!) drives Cayennes, Range Rovers and Q7s and parks them badly, so I'm biased against 4x4 drivers, sorry!

TarkaTheOtter Mon 22-Jul-13 15:27:03

If it was a parallel parking space and you were within the lines then YANBU. Obviously would be better for you to be in line with the other cars to give more passing space but presumably the lines are drawn so people can get past.

Pennyacrossthehall Mon 22-Jul-13 15:27:20

Just throwing in my 2p:

- I hate the Chelsea Tractor phenomeon - SUVs bought by people who consider "off-roading" to be parking on the school playing fields on sports day (I'm givign you a tentative OK on this aspect because of Braemar . . . )
- Q7's are ridiculously oversized, even by SUV standards
- However, parking a car is parking a car, the size is not really relevant if you can park. It's just a bigger rectangle to maneuver into the space.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:28:42


oh. i Do apologise.

i need a big car beccause i have 3 kids. and if i need to give freinds a lift its got 7 seats
No matter how many times I read the above, it still doesn't make sense. confused

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Mon 22-Jul-13 15:30:35

When I first read the OP I thought you were talking about one of these

But then I realised I got the number now I see that you've got a big flash car that you can't park. Big woo.

SlangWhanger Mon 22-Jul-13 15:33:16

Blimey, I love the snidey comments on this thread. The OP has a big car and isn't great at parking it - it's hardly crime of the century! She does not have to justify it.

OP, I would have just ignored her and not let it bother me. She sounds like she was a bit crabby and judgey a bit like some of the posters on this thread

Ps I drive a small van with no parking sensers and am brilliant at parallel parking <<irrelevent but smug>>

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:34:22


agree completely

LondonMan Mon 22-Jul-13 15:35:28

i need a big car beccause i have 3 kids. and if i need to give freinds a lift its got 7 seats.

I've only got this far in the thread, at this point I'd like to point out that a Prius+ seats seven, and I think you can get it with a computer that will do the steering while you park.

(Though I would guess most Audis are available with similar parking help.)

MummytoMog Mon 22-Jul-13 15:35:39

I have the C Max and can't park the bugger at all. I didn't buy it, my stupid husband did. I wanted a nice, neat little Ford Focus. Am still considering nicking my mum's Micra when she gets a new car. SO easy to park.

footphobic Mon 22-Jul-13 15:41:20

I can't get away from the fact that if you cannot manoeuvre your car into a marked parking space after several attempts in a low pressure situation, i.e., not on a busy public road, you probably shouldn't be driving it, or any car.

I would worry how you would handle a large vehicle like that in an actual emergency. I say this as my DH has just been hit for the second time in a year by a woman who was a hopelessly inept driver. This lady had a mental block on the basic rules of roundabouts confused.

Maybe consider some refresher lessons with parking including, or consider purchasing a car you can park properly? I honestly don't mean that rudely - you have a tank of a car, I just believe you ought to be in complete control of it, and parking is a very basic skill everyone should try their best to master. It does impact on other drivers if you park awkwardly/badly.

I have nothing in particular against big cars or people who need (being the operative word), I have 5 dcs and quite genuinely need a large 7 seater myself, but I do know how to drive and park it properly.

I also don't feel the need to mention the make or model of mine in my post as I don't think it's particularly relevant. wink

Funnily enough, I also live in a rural area and the only people who have '4x4's are those who need to tow, i.e., the horsey lot, or farmers, and they all have ropey old Landys. Almost everyone else seems to manage with normal cars. grin

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 15:42:41

Oh look! A thread full of twats feeling the need to comment on someone's choice of car. Puhleese, get over it people. Some people like their cars with a bit of styling, some drive potatoes on wheels (I'm looking at you Zafira).

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 15:45:30

For what it's worth I can't parallel park my mums panda for shit (in fact I'm usually that distressed by the whole experience of finding the thing, it's like a toy car, fucking awful) but our Mitsubishi Animal is no problem to me! It's not always about size.

Samu2 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:46:03

is a Q7 as big as a ford galaxy?

That is all I have to add.

LadyBryan Mon 22-Jul-13 15:46:16

MrsKeithRichards - I have no problem with what anyone chooses to drive at all - hell I drive a 4x4 myself.

But I do have a problem with people who struggle to park/cannot properly park what they drive....

Khaleasy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:46:53

I used to drive a Q7 as apart of a Nanny job in London. It is full of parking sensors. It has a bloody camera on the back! I struggle to park my little rover 25 but the Q7 was a dream because of the technology!

Taz1212 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:46:57

I only drive a Mondeo and if I've parked even a little bit squint it really messes up the spaces next to me (I always repark- ignoring the fact that it's rude not to, I'm paranoid about being scratched!), so I can imagine what a larger squinty parked car would look like! I do think it's pretty rude for a stranger to call you out on it, but honestly I bet most people would be thinking it if they saw someone in your car going back into the space then forwards, then back, then forward...

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 15:49:43

Why the heel should someone out themselves through the hell of driving the Ford Galaxy if they don't want to? Do you advocate standard issue, pre approved mummy mobiles if you have a few kids?

Bloody he'll, no wonder mumsnet cars never took of.

I do assume you carry your personal belongings in a tesco carrier bag? Given that anything else is just downright unnesseccary?

LeGavrOrf Mon 22-Jul-13 15:50:47

I would love to see a Great Dane in the front seat of a mini. Pag is it a proper old mini or one of the new ones (would be funnier in an old one). Love the fact the kids get relegated to the back.

I often park squewiff in the lines as well, I have no excuse as I drive a bloody polo fgs. Dd parks better than me and she has only been driving a few months. I am a disgrace.

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 15:51:19

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bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:52:04


the 'rural area' where i live had temperatures of -25°c last December.

Costypop Mon 22-Jul-13 15:52:10

I think the fact that you rubbed it in about the type of car you had didn't help. If you had just said car then it's a different outcome

LeGavrOrf Mon 22-Jul-13 15:52:27

I would LOVE one of those big Audi SUVs. I would black out the windows and drive around with Dr Dre blaring like the tosser I am.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 15:53:33


how am i rubbing it in?!?

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 15:53:54

rubbed it in ??

Sensitive much?

LRDYaDumayuIThink Mon 22-Jul-13 15:56:03

Ooh. Can I come along for the ride, LeGavr?

It amazes me how many people know precisely what car the OP means, down to Jeremy Clarkson-style specifics, despite having a huge distain for it ...

K8Middleton Mon 22-Jul-13 15:57:23

-25? Really? I think it might actually be warmer at the poles.


SlangWhanger Mon 22-Jul-13 15:57:49

missmarplestmarymead. That was a mean post.
The OP explained that her 'bad' parking wasn't going to effect anyone else. She was parallel parked at the side the road not in a carpark where it would have interfered with neighbouring cars.

I don't think you would like to be called thick for not reading the thread before making unpleasant comments. (Not that I would do that of course blush )

K8Middleton Mon 22-Jul-13 16:00:57

I think some of us were just joshing? I was. Except for the bit about the temperature. That was genuine.

mum11970 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:02:03

The size of the op's car is neither here nor there, one car is no easier or harder to park than another, the principle is just the same; you just need a bigger space to park a large car than a small one. If you've selected a space that fits your car, a problem only arises if you can't actually drive your car well in reverse. I've seen equal amounts of badly parked small cars as large ones.

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Mon 22-Jul-13 16:04:04

Hmm I would disagree with a 4x4 being a necessity for Scottish winters.

My family and friends in S.E. Poland manage without one in incredibly harsh conditions by using winter tyres.

Twirlyhot Mon 22-Jul-13 16:04:44

I don't care if the OP chooses to drive an actual tank. Just don't drive what you can't manoeuvre well.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ballinacup Mon 22-Jul-13 16:05:35

My boss has a a Q7, he reckons it's rubbish in the snow unless it's brand new, virgin snow that hasn't been driven on.

JerseySpud Mon 22-Jul-13 16:06:07

Get a smaller 7 seater.

I have a Grand scenic. It has 7 seats and is a piece of piss to park.

JerseySpud Mon 22-Jul-13 16:07:13

oh and YABU for not being able to park straight, she was bu to comment.

Boomba Mon 22-Jul-13 16:09:11

think the woman was totally justified in having a vent at you. It makes it really awkward for others if you dont park straight. Tis selfish, and lazy


park properly

pinkje Mon 22-Jul-13 16:09:17

I love Braemar, was town you were parking in your own town? Was she just a tourist perhaps. I'd be more worried if it was someone you're likely to see often. I mean if she really thinks you were being disrespectful to her.

LRDYaDumayuIThink Mon 22-Jul-13 16:09:33


lunatic, I could do with some of that! My DH tried to go get my shoes out of the car the other day and came back saying he couldn't find it because there are lots of grey cars. hmm

mum11970 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:10:39

I've yet to find anywhere, with marked parallel parking bays, that it would be possible to park a Q7 (or any large 4x4) squint, without either the front or the back being outside of the white lines.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:11:26


no i was in aberdeen. and i hope never to meet the woman again!

MammaTJ Mon 22-Jul-13 16:11:28

I don't get how people are saying they need a 7-seater for 5 people. The OP and at least one other. I have three DC and a DP and we all fit quite happily in our normal 5-seater car. I even put the dog in the footwell sometimes.

pinkje Mon 22-Jul-13 16:14:20

Blame it on the heat then, you were legally parked, problem was hers. Maybe she'd just had some upsetting news and needed to vent.

Sorry you're receiving such a bashing for your choice of car.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

footphobic Mon 22-Jul-13 16:16:24

Fair enough bobby (re the temp), we have villages regularly cut off in the winter, snow and floods, just stating what is the norm in another rural area. Obviously last winter was extreme for many I appreciate, especially up north.

As I said, I don't have any personal issue with anyone's choice of car. Just that they can drive and manoeuvre it safely and proficiently, in effect, actually be in complete control of it. Anyone who struggles should consider having a few additional lessons, it doesn't hurt, even after years of driving, rather than always be a bit crap at x, y or z part of driving.

It worries me when people cannot properly complete a basic manoeuvre in a car after multiple attempts.

SkinnybitchWannabe Mon 22-Jul-13 16:17:40

Learn to park properly is my only advice and I dont mean that snidey either.
I cannot stand people with huge cars who cannot park straight..surely with all the technology on board it would practically park itself!
I love my old style Picasso, I can fit everyone in it that needs to fit in&enough holiday luggage for 5 people and its the best car Ive had for parking.

LRDYaDumayuIThink Mon 22-Jul-13 16:20:08

You too! smile

LadyBryan Mon 22-Jul-13 16:22:41

Actually, might it be worth investigating a further driving lesson and getting competent with the parking?

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:23:04

its not that im a bad driver. my cousin is a police traffic office. their patrol car is a rangerover. he says its a pain to park as well.

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:23:46

* police traffic officer

Crinkle77 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:25:58

YABU. If you park wonky it makes things difficult for those who park next to you. And I have to agree with others. Why have a car so big that you can't park it?

Twirlyhot Mon 22-Jul-13 16:26:52

You can be great at driving and not so great at parking. If it's that particular model of car that's difficult to park I'd look at replacing it.

froubylou Mon 22-Jul-13 16:28:34

I get fed up of folk branding all 4 x 4 drivers as irresponsible.

We have ponies and need a safe vehicle to tow with. Mysister has one at the moment as mine wasnt economical to repair last time it went bang and we are currently skint so I ended up with a ford focus as a run around and we share transport for ponies with sister for now.

But next year we will be going to different shows to sister so my focus will be replaced with a gas guzzler I will probably struggle to get in tiny bays. Never mind parallel park.

But my gas guzzler will spend most of the week parked up like the focus does. We walk most places and I work from home so although my car will be bigger than many others I won't use as much fuel as most people who use their cars for work.

Don't think you were BU op. If you were in the lined you were in the lines and legally parked.

Damnautocorrect Mon 22-Jul-13 16:40:39

bollocks have whatever car you blinking well like.
You were being a bit unreasonable leaving it wonky but as long as it wasnt massively squiffy you were ok.
I'm a bit OCD about being straight in a space, so if have avoided parking next to you.

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 16:45:41


I would have been surprised if the OP had said that her bad car parking was going to affect others...wouldn't you?

So sorry you think my post was mean but not half as mean or selfish as being driving a car which one cannot park without doing it badly. Anti-social and selfish behaviour and yes, if she doesn't want to look like a cock AGAIN, she should have take refresher lessons in learning how to park or cut her cloth to a car that she can drive or...take a bus.

Hippymama Mon 22-Jul-13 16:49:19

I live in a rural village where the temperature drops below -20 regularly in winter. We are often cut off and roads are impassable not only in snow, but also in very wet weather as they flood. I can see the need for a 4x4 living where I do (and I do have one) but we have managed perfectly well for three of the four winters we have lived here without one. I do drive a 4x4 now, but it cost me less than £1,000 and I can park it no problem in a normal space.

So, IMO, yanbu for having a 4x4 where you live, but yabu if you can't park it (mine doesn't have parking sensors or anything like that). Yanbu for being a bit peeved about the narky woman critiquing your driving if you were parked within the space properly (by that I mean that the people on either side can also get into their cars) but yabu to mention the type of car you were driving so many times in your post as it did feel a bit like a stealth boast!

yetanotherworry Mon 22-Jul-13 17:03:35

I find there is 1 car park where I often have to park squinty so I can get both myself and kids out of the car. It seems to give a little bit more door opening space. Its much easier to park straight so I think you deserve a bit of praise for being able to park squinty smile

Fillyjonk75 Mon 22-Jul-13 17:09:28

I didn't park the car as neatly as I could have done today as I nipped into a space on the other side of a busy side road which I probably should have parallel parked into, but I'd have never got in at all due to the traffic if I'd have tried that. But I shuffled it about to the extent it was not causing an obstruction either to passing cars or people parked in front or behind.

I'm pretty good at parking but everyone has their moments - but I'd never leave the car in a dangerous/illegal place or causing an obstruction.

Drive whatever car you like but either learn to park it or get used to the abuse & stfu.

uggmum Mon 22-Jul-13 17:23:13

I had a Q7 as a courtesy car for 8 weeks. It was massive and we nicknamed it 'the beast'.
It was lovely inside but I felt it looked really anti-social on the outside. A bit of a 'show off car' really.
There are other 7 seater 4x4's that are less 'in your face'
However, I could park it perfectly and straight. It's a bug bear of mine when people park at an angle as it can affect others and make their like more difficult.
You really need to go out when it's quiet and practice until you can park properly.
I have recently purchased a Q5 (show off emotion) and suggest that you consider one. It's smaller and easier to park. Just don't give other people a lift

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 17:27:17

I used to live near you in the seventies and eighties OP. Funnily enough, we all managed without Q7s back then hmm

I'm with the 'if you can't park it, don't drive it' school of thought - perhaps you should think about taking a few parking lessons from a driving instructor until you can park?

mum11970 Mon 22-Jul-13 17:28:34

Why do people always blame the car when they can't park? Q7s are not hard to park, Range Rovers are not hard to park..... some people just can't park and need to stop blaming the car. You have a rear view mirror and two side mirrors, learn to use them.

crashdoll Mon 22-Jul-13 18:25:31

You say "in the lines" but your car is big, so I bet it made parking for others really hard. That is selfish, so YABU. Drive whatever the heck you like but selfish parking ticks people off.

Laurier88 Mon 22-Jul-13 18:39:44

OP I am 100% on your side - I have a 107 and can't park it so dread to think what I would be like in a Q7! As long as you're between the lines people should sod off and leave you alone.

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 18:42:07

What are you doing about your inability to park your car Laurier?

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 18:44:30

if you can't safely park a car, so that you cause no inconvenience or dangers to others, then you, quite simply, shouldn't have a licence. Parking is an essential part of driving, unless one has discovered the secret of perpetual motion and intends never to stop.

Why aren't people reading the thread? The OP was NOT bay parking, she was parallel parking. She was within the lines. Her being squint was therefore of no consequence to anybody except to this presumably deranged audi hating mumsnetter! I think the Q7 is a pretty ridiculous car tbh but no way does the OP deserve the vitriol chucked here. Personally I passed my test just over two years ago and have had to drive our family touran ever since. Some days I can park it really well. Some days not so well. That's not a character flaw on my part, it's just the way that goes.

Sirzy Mon 22-Jul-13 18:52:41

As long as you're between the lines people should sod off and leave you alone.

Have you bothered to read the thread? Parking between the lines but at an angle or right on one line still makes it hard for others.

You are supposed to park in hte middle of the lines not just anywhere in the lines.

Oh and parking is not only about using your mirrors. You need to look all around you as well. Rely on your mirrors and you will hit somebody or something.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 22-Jul-13 18:53:19


Get a car you can actually park.

Sirzy Mon 22-Jul-13 18:54:11

Northern - even parallel parking a car parked at an angle can make it very hard for the cars in front and behind to manoeuvre.

ProphetOfDoom Mon 22-Jul-13 19:00:09

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ProphetOfDoom Mon 22-Jul-13 19:02:00

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KatoPotato Mon 22-Jul-13 19:02:44

YANBU if you were in the lines.

YAU if you call it 'the Q7' in daily discussion.


No sirzy, assuming she's stopped a reasonable distance away from each car then it shouldn't be harder for other drivers. They've just got to avoid a corner of car not a flat front but the furthest point forward shouldn't be any further than if it was straight - unless she has parked too close which would obviously be bad. I really can't see a problem.

Tittypulumpcious Mon 22-Jul-13 19:07:57

Who cares what the op drives and what gives people the right to make a judgement on her driving a large car, fuel costs etc?!

If you were parked so others could also park then ynbu but if you parked and it would be difficult to park next to you then ybu.

merrymouse Mon 22-Jul-13 19:08:52

No idea what a q7 is, but as long as you are in the lines don't care how you park.

Ipsissima Mon 22-Jul-13 19:17:28

YANBU to defend yourself against someone having a go, but I take my hat off to the woman who actually called you on the issue.
If the car is too large for you to handle properly, buy a bloody mini and give the rest of the car-park using population a break.

ChippingInHopHopHop Mon 22-Jul-13 19:25:06

Op - I tell you what, you can't drive the Q7 and I can, I have a Ford Focus which is easy to park... I'll bring it up to Braemar and swap with you smile

Catsize Mon 22-Jul-13 19:25:31

Hate Q7s. My friend has one. They are anti-social and look ridiculous. Just my opinion. Should have parked it in coach parking perhaps.

Saidar Mon 22-Jul-13 19:35:08

"There are other 7 seater 4x4's that are less 'in your face'"

The fuck has the car got to do with it. If OP was in a banger with 13 children and 17 unrestrained dogs in the boot would she then have NBU?

I can understand the aggro parking causes. I hate bad parking. Being squinty in a parallel parking space might cause me to feel some minor irritation but not to accost a woman with children with her about parking that although isn't great was within the lines.

If someone is within the lines and you cannot park next to them you are the problem. My car is big, I do not need to drive over any of the adjoining spaces even by an inch to park.

If someone has a more expensive/ more upgraded / shiny car than you then tough shit. If you want one, get one and if you think they're shit, don't!

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 19:41:23

The car has got everything to do with it if you can't park the fucking thing, regardless of what it is. If you can't park it without going backwards and forwards and backward and forwards and then leaving it squint (and I'm willing to bet it wasn't just a wee bit squint, more like sticking right out in the road sqint) then whether you're a woman with children or a man with a zoo sized load of parrots you should at least take a few parking lessons.

Saidar Mon 22-Jul-13 19:47:05

So why is so much advice to the OP to get a less ostentatious/ more environmentally friendly car? That isn't going to improve her parking. Most 4X4's are big. The fact that this one is quite jazzy seems to have so many people with a stick right up their arse.

"I'm willing to bet it wasn't just a wee bit squint, more like sticking right out in the road sqint"

That may be the case, but as will all threads, you can only go on the info the OP gives.

merrymouse Mon 22-Jul-13 19:57:43

Looked up q7 now.

Based on size, if it was in the bay it can't have been that crooked.

Basic geometry.

Either OP was mistaken or other person was random eccentric. However, without contacting the relevant authority and obtaining CCTV footage we will never know.

DespicableYou Mon 22-Jul-13 19:59:17

*If someone is within the lines and you cannot park next to them you are the problem. My car is big, I do not need to drive over any of the adjoining spaces even by an inch to park*

Neither do I, but I AM strangely fond of the notion of being able to open the doors.

Some of you people are talking as though the 'line' is two foot wide, and being right up close to it doesn't affect the person in the space just cms away over the other side of the line.

Ridiculous! Yes, you must park within the lines but there is more to being able to park than that!

Saidar Mon 22-Jul-13 20:01:02

I tend not to park alongside others when parallel parking.

DespicableYou Mon 22-Jul-13 20:01:34

Seriously "within the lines" you sound like those MP's whining nasally about how their expense claims were "within the rules".

If your parking is 'squinty' you are creating unequal spaces on either side of you. Yes, you are within the lines but you are still being an anti social numpty!

Rainbowinthesky Mon 22-Jul-13 20:01:36

She was rude but correct. I agree you shouldn't drive something you can't handle and I don't give a toss how expensive your car is.

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 20:04:27

Absolutely, we can only go on what the OP says - although, as Merrymouse points out, basic geometry...

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 20:05:27

I don't think most people are annoyed that she has a big what!

She can't park it without causing a nuisance or danger to others. She should not be on the road if she cannot master this basic part of driving, any more than she should be on the road if she is incapable of using the reverse gear.

If this failing is because the car is too big for her then she should change it.

If it is because she cannot master parking if she drove a robin reliant, then she should invest in extra lessons until she can.

If it is still beyond her, then she is not fit to be on the road, as she is demonstrating that she cannot handle a car. In that case, use public transport.

Not everyone is suited to driving-and there is more to driving than going along in a straight line-one has to be able to be in charge of the vehicle.

Golferman Mon 22-Jul-13 20:06:39

Well, I live in Scotland and I have a Jaguar XJ Portfolio with TV and everything, worth £70000 so there! :-D

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 22-Jul-13 20:12:15


Can you park it though? That's the important bit!

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 20:15:43

Exactly - who cares what you drive, so long as you can park the thing!

Golferman Mon 22-Jul-13 20:17:27

Now that's a different story Alis as my parking, even after 40 years is crap :-D

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 20:18:40

Why don't you take some lessons and learn how to park properly? 40 years is probably long enough to accept that you need them.

GemmaTeller Mon 22-Jul-13 20:18:55

Is this a reverse AIBU?

GemmaTeller Mon 22-Jul-13 20:19:21

reversing into a space reverse AIBU


Sorr to shout but really people need to get that nobody was going to be unable to open doors because she was squint.

Golferman Mon 22-Jul-13 20:20:41

I was being jovial Sir Chen, don't believe all you read, especially what i write :-)

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 20:24:23

Noted Golfer

DespicableYou Mon 22-Jul-13 20:29:11

Oops, sorry, ok, parallel parking.

So your car stuck out wonky in the road rather than flush with the pavement? Still ignorant and selfish.

CottonWoolCandy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:33:20

I know what a Q7 is. I've been to Braemar. YWNBU.

However YWB-naive if you thought you could mention parking on MN without it turning into a bun fight.

Now, I'm off to Google Golferman's car because I don't know what that looks like smile

ProphetOfDoom Mon 22-Jul-13 20:34:10

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DespicableYou Mon 22-Jul-13 20:36:24

Ok, re-read the thread again (inc all the drip feeding ;) )

So you parallel parked your Q7 in a very tight parking spot. Despite it being a panzer tank and the spot being very tight you were with the lines and no part of the car was sticking over the space.

In which case, YANBU.

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 20:41:43

If she wasn't bay parking but couldn't even park it on the road, how on earth did she get a licence in the first place? Has she even got a licence?

The woman should not be on the road if she cannot perform a simple operation such as parking her car on the road. Pity it wasn't towed.

She must, as she is a danger to herself, her passengers and other road users, give up her car until she has learned to drive.

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 20:58:52

Who are you using about missmarple?

CottonWoolCandy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:59:19

Missmarple I'm shock at your anger!
If a car is dangerously parked it will be towed. However in Scotland, the traffic wardens trust the bay system. If a vehicle is in a bay then it stays (even if it is squinty in a bay!). If it is over a line then the traffic wardens photograph it and the vehicle is lifted away to the pound. (I know this as my dm lives on a busy road that has odd curves and angles, as well as bay parking. )

justanuthermanicmumsday Mon 22-Jul-13 21:06:38

if it was within lines none of her business. this woman parked too closed to my husbands car, after Xmas shop she couldn't pull out. I had just out my infant to bed and other toddlers she banged on door she didnt ring. i got up thinking its some sort of emergency . the lady at the door did not say hello nothin just , "move the car" i just looked at her and thought what a tosser. first one ive met since living in edinburgh lool. i said its not mine and its in front of our drive. Anyways got husband who was having dinner . Same response move car. Now he doesn't stand for stuff like this he was blunt. He crossed his arms and said no. Not until you say please lool i ran off to living room to laugh. She said she was going to get her police friend who lives near us. Husband said fine run along get him. guy appeared not on duty clearly sympathetic with us. the lady started pacing the drive in anger. She was around 50 years old she thought she was some warrior, even though she parked too close to him then got wedged in with another car behind her. The cheek of it!

merrymouse Mon 22-Jul-13 21:10:23

Exactly cotton wool.

missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 21:13:23

I am put out at the number of badly parked cars one sees. yes, it may be within lines but if it is cock eyed within those lines, it either makes another space difficult to get into or means one can get in but then can't open one's door.

To me, to be unable to park without making a nuisance of oneself means that one cannot handle the car, which does not bode well for when that person is on a motorway or a winding country lane.

That to me makes them at best, selfish towards other road users and at worse, a danger on the roads.

Good drivers can park well,bad drivers can't. if the OP is crap at parking because her car is too big then get a smaller one otherwise, go to an instructor who will do his or her best to help them become better. if you are unable or unwilling to learn how to handle your car, stay off the road.

An inability to park is a clear demonstration that the driver has no idea how to handle the car and in my book, that means they should seek to remedy that or go on the bus!

ShowOfHands Mon 22-Jul-13 21:19:29

Sorry, I've only skim read, but did you mention anywhere what make of car you drive?


missmarplestmarymead Mon 22-Jul-13 21:30:22

Yes, I did. I can park it. if I couldn't I wouldn't drive it. I think it is probably more expensive than the jeep the op was driving if that is what your po face was about.

I have no axe to grind, regarding the size of cars but I have an axe to grind about incompetents driving cars that they cannot handle, although I have no intention of parading that wound here.

Fakebook Mon 22-Jul-13 21:40:36

I've only read your first few posts OP.

wtf is a Q7? Why can't you park it? I suggest you get a car you can park properly without annoying other road users.

SirChenjin Mon 22-Jul-13 21:43:52

A Q7 is a big fuck-off Audi. It's important to mention it's a Q7 in order to make it clear you're driving the more expensive bigger model wink grin

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Mon 22-Jul-13 21:51:20

Oh for fucks sake it's only a big estate car. Why all the jealousy? Whether the op can park it or not wasn't the point of the thread and if someone came out ranting at me because I'd parked my car on the wonk I'd think they were unhinged too. hmm

Incidentally I managed to right-hand parrallel park my new Freelander absolutely perfectly the other day and I was both smug and chuffed! grin

Sparklingbrook Mon 22-Jul-13 21:54:09

I would class the Q7 as 'unnecessarily large' on my virtual Top Gear Cool Wall. grin It's the sort that you can't see past when driving out of a car park space.

OliviaLMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 22-Jul-13 21:58:58


MrsDeVere Mon 22-Jul-13 22:00:51

WTAF at this thread.

It is truly bonkers.

ZingWidge Mon 22-Jul-13 22:04:43

I have a VW Transporter. it's practically a small bus.
I can parallel park.

What's the problem again?confused

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 22:07:46


the problem is that i parallel parked a bit squint but in the bay and a random stranger came over and started berating me...

and now everyone is angry about my car!

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 22:09:25

oh and also - i can almost always park it first time. the one time i can't and important told important a lunatic who can't drive.


Sparklingbrook Mon 22-Jul-13 22:11:22

I think bobby that you could have explained the predicament by saying you had a big car. That's all. As opposed to a hatchback or something?

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 22:11:46

miss marple

there is a bus every 2 hours where i live only on weekdays.

and i suppose ill just take my new idea bookcase and new washing machine home on the bus as well.

SlangWhanger Mon 22-Jul-13 22:14:46

It don't know if its the full moon or the heat but there seems to be a lot of arsey posters out to shit stir tonight. confused

It's weird and not very nice.

Nishky Mon 22-Jul-13 22:16:22

But what about the 6 children if you have Bookcase?

Most of my washing machines have been delivered.

This is I need a 4x4 bingo; lots of kids; rural; snow; bookcase.

MrsKeithRichards Mon 22-Jul-13 22:25:27

We've had cracking deals on display, take away today stuff in shops, even a built unit from the ikea sale bit that we just slid in, drove away and it was in situ within minutes of getting home.

I love watching people play car Tetris with the things they want to take home. I've never paid for delivery from a shop, or a rubbish uplift, can take the bikes anywhere, never hired a van and never worry about things fitting. I don't understand why everyone doesn't drive pick ups!

MissDuke Mon 22-Jul-13 22:30:18

Oh I hate the tetrus outside ikea thing, have fell victim to that many times!!

Op yanbu at all, the weirdo woman who thinks she is the traffic police was! Enjoy your car, I have no idea what the negativity is about :-/

SlangWhanger Mon 22-Jul-13 22:45:46

I have a van too, although one that would probably be approved of by the Mumsnet self-righteous jury. I love being able to fit anything and everything in it.

My DS's are 6'3 and I also have two DD and a DH. I think I could justify a bigger vehicle. hmm


foodtech Mon 22-Jul-13 23:03:16

I once went to braemar and the car windows iced up on the inside whilst we had lunch. Cold place.

Useless post. As you were.

Fakebook Mon 22-Jul-13 23:31:58

Aaah, it's an Audi. Audi drivers are third on my shitlist. First BMW's, then Mercedes then Audis.

I always park perfectly even if it takes ages. But I drive a second hand Ford Fiesta that doesn't even have automatic windows let alone parking sensors. I'm jealous of OP's finances. But I hate that car. They're the ones most likely to tailgate IME.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 22-Jul-13 23:46:15

Drives me fucking demented when people park their bloody great tanks wonky or over on one side - it means that the normal sized car in the adjoining space can't open their doors enough to get out of the damn thing without squeezing and wriggling like a snake shedding its skin. I have huffed, glared and occasionally muttered at people on occasion. grin

I'm in Surrey, though, a county filled with immaculate blondes who can't park their enormous shiny vehicles, so I'm onto a losing wicket, really. hmm

kinkyfuckery Tue 23-Jul-13 00:21:35

bobbypercy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 22:11:46

miss marple

there is a bus every 2 hours where i live only on weekdays.

and i suppose ill just take my new idea bookcase and new washing machine home on the bus as well.

Okay, I'm calling this one- Aberdeen has no Ikea.

MardyPants Tue 23-Jul-13 00:24:28

Buy a big bloody poncey car because you look all cool.....then show yourself up not being able to park it!! Fail!!! Then come on here to brag about it??!!!!

Total many times do you need to refer to 'the Q7'??? Just refer to your car by name like normal people. Mine is called Rainbaby.

AuntieUrsula Tue 23-Jul-13 00:28:38

Modern cars are generally wider now but parking spaces haven't grown to keep up with them!

YANBU - if the woman was not being inconvenienced by your parking what business is it of hers!

Patosshades Tue 23-Jul-13 00:36:01

What is this "squint" everyone is referring to? What does it mean? need to know before I can judge

possum18 Tue 23-Jul-13 00:46:58

As long as you were between the lines (as much as you could be in your beast-mobile) wink I don't see how it is any of her concern, old bat!!

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 06:53:02

What is this "squint" everyone is referring to?

There hasn't been general agreement.

Some people think it means parking with your front wheel next to the kerb, your back wheel maybe 5 inches out.

Other people think it means slewed across the road as though you are in a car chase and have just dumped your car.

I think it has been confirmed that the car was parallel parked in a road, but clearly there is such rage at the way people park in car parks, that some are choosing to ignore this point.

Oh for some video footage of the actual event.

Anyway, the weather is breaking today, so I suspect this thread will now seem strangely unimportant....

lainiekazan Tue 23-Jul-13 07:05:36


Do not drive a car you cannot handle properly.

I was hit in the back of my car outside the school by a woman reversing her big 7-seater. She gave an airy apology and said, "Oh, I can't see out the back at all!". When I suggested that next time she may hit a child or a pushchair, she replied she needed the big car [selfish idiot emoticon]

londonrach Tue 23-Jul-13 07:15:09

Why drive a car you can't park. She is being unreasonable for commenting but you are for driving a car you can't park. As someone who lives in rural years the farmers tend to have beat up landrovers for farm use and small cars for town use. I tend to view those big things as belonging to what's the word chavs like Katie Price. Stick to a car you can park, maybe swap with your mums. X

SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 07:50:05

Deeside has always been like that though - a lot of big oil-related money up there. Easy to swap the incomers (it's rural, therefore I need a 4x4 of a certain brand) and the oldies (it's rural, therefore we'll take the battered landrover or golf, both of which have seen better days) grin

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 07:57:13


Are you seriously suggesting that because there is an irregular bus service where you live and you may have to carry stuff, that means that you should be on the road in a car you can't handle, endangering life and limb.

And yes, being unable to park means that you cannot handle the vehicle.

Sparklingbrook Tue 23-Jul-13 08:01:49

I prefer 'skew whiff'. grin

Netguru Tue 23-Jul-13 08:07:11

I drive a large 4x4 (7 seater)
I have driven even bigger cars over the years due to my hobby (Toyota hilux double cab etc)

Not being able to park is your fault not the car's. Go practice and stop snivelling about the car being at fault. I am a stout defender of people being able to drive large cars but stop giving them and women driving them bad publicity and sort yourself out.

Ipsissima Tue 23-Jul-13 08:07:29

Its not just the parking though! those who can't park also seem to have no idea of the actual size of their vehicles (hence, presumably, the parking failures) which means they are a nightmare to meet on rural lanes...with a tendency to just cruise down the centre and assume everything will move out of the way.

(and it is nothing to do with car envy!! I was equally irritated by an acquaintance who couldn't park her Polo!)

MrsKeithRichards Tue 23-Jul-13 08:14:15

Dundee has an ikea

Glittertwins Tue 23-Jul-13 08:17:11

I think you are a bit unreasonable even if you were in a space but not straight because it can make it a bit harder for others to park. I like your car but the reason I don't have one is because of parking problems due to its size. I would never get it around the multi-storey car parks around here or in many parking bays.
I struggle to reverse park my new car which is longer than a S-Max / Zafira which is what I am used to so I have been practicing when parking at work.

HooverFairy Tue 23-Jul-13 08:17:54

If you cannot control the 'Q7' well enough to even park it, then you SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING IT. Seriously.

This selfish 'I need a big car because I have 3 children and it might snow' mentality is utter, utter bollocks. You WANT a big car because you use it as a status symbol, proved by the fact you refer to it as the 'Q7'. That is very different from NEEDING a big car.

You should be driving a car you can control, the fact that you can't park it means you are putting other people at risk. I know other people have pointed this out already but what would you do if you hit someone, what would happen to them? Also, when someone parks a massive car next to a smaller one and they're on an angle it makes it really difficult to get out of the parking space. That woman was not BU, you are.

Women drivers get a really, really hard time as it is. People like you who can't park their massive, unnecessary tanks only adds to this.

EmmaBemma Tue 23-Jul-13 08:18:03

If you were within the space I don't see the problem.

Dundee does not have an Ikea either confused

Bathsheba Tue 23-Jul-13 08:23:07

Dundee does not have an Ikea. The nearest (timewise) Ikea to Aberdeen is in Stavanger...

RoxyFox211 Tue 23-Jul-13 08:40:08

Yabu. There are plenty of other cars with space for 3 kids. Or less intrusive 7 seaters. Also the woman was a bit rude to comment but I understand her frustration.

Samu2 Tue 23-Jul-13 08:51:36

This thread is scaring me.

I am learning to drive, I am really nervous about what I am going to be like parking my 7 seater hmm

I can't just get a smaller car either. I need 7 seats.

I think I am just going to park in massive spaces.

ComposHat Tue 23-Jul-13 08:57:57

The parking isn't the real issue nor is the fact that you seem a bit gloaty about your drug dealer/loan shark mobile, the real issue is that you've bought a car that you can't manoeuvre safely at slow speeds. This is bloody dangerous and irresponsible, did you not realise this when you took the thing for a test drive.

I would say the same whether you were driving a battered old transit van or Renault Espace that you couldn't park properly.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 08:59:34

I think it is crazy that a newly qualified driver can be allowed to have a 7 seater.

In my opinion, the size of car and car engine should be restricted until the driver has 2 years experience- 2 years in which they have not had an accident.

cannotfuckingbelievethis Tue 23-Jul-13 09:05:31

£43k + for a bloody car !!!!!! (just googled it)

cantpolishaturd Tue 23-Jul-13 09:06:58

My mate has a Q7....we call it the QE2 as it so bloody big grin

cannotfuckingbelievethis Tue 23-Jul-13 09:10:04

Having said that I drive an old banger which is worth about £300 and had trouble parking it last week. Was trying to reverse into a space but a very impatient old guy was literally up my arse which made it even harder for me. Reverse parking has never been my strong point but I can do it if I take me time. This old guy was tooting his horn and waving his arms (though there was still space for him to get past). So I ended up waving my middle finger at him which was probably BU but I was having a bad day......

Ipsissima Tue 23-Jul-13 09:10:50

Better yet MissMarple, lets see the introduction of a new class on driving licences ...restricting cars over a certain size unless a secondary test is taken proving capability to manoeuvre.

Alternatively, could supermarket & municipal car parks create separate 'tank bays' - as they do for disabled/parent? four times the size of normal bays, and preferably placed at the far end of the car park, in a half acre area which gives them lots of space to manoeuvre.

<<accepts some people DO know the size of their larger vehicles. Could you please move closer to me, and give lessons to the locals?>>

pictish Tue 23-Jul-13 09:19:45

Well OP I am feeling very sorry for you. I don't think you were bragging by daring to mention the model of car you have...I think you were just illustrating that it's a big car and tricky to manoeuvre.
I think that so long as you were in the lines, you were ok. People might see you sitting all skewiff and roll their eyes, but to approach you and have a pop about it, was a bit maybe the woman was having a bad day and took it out on you, which we all know isn't cool. Swbu.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 09:20:04

of course you can 'take your time' if you are a learner or have a green P sticker on-most people will probably try and show some patience. However, if neither of those things apply, why on earth should anyone think it is ok to take their time.

Either get a car you can drive and handle or stay off the road. Too many accidents are caused by drivers who are simply not up to the job and the consequences of not being up to this particular job are so appalling that there is no room for fluffy, 'just do your best'.

Some of these accidents occur in car parks where people who cannot handle their car are going back and forth, all over the shop and put pedestrians particularly children at risk.

There is no excuse for not being able to handle your car and then simpering about how one needs a car. having a car is not a right.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 09:28:16

Have never heard of an accident caused by somebody slowly and carefully taking there time when parking. Speeding and not looking where you are going cause accidents.

pictish Tue 23-Jul-13 09:29:14

Samu - I'm learning to drive atm too. I have my own little car to practise in - a Ford's tiny. We have three kids, and the Ford Fiesta will be what they will be transported in during the week, for a couple of years at least.

I do not understand why people think they must have a tank when they have three kids? I mean yeah - the space is nice to have and everything...but it's hardly essential! If you have four or more kids, then it's essential.
What IS paramount, is safety and control while driving. There's no way I would consider driving a 7 seater as a newly qualified driver! I'll stick with with my Fiesta and be in my comfort and skill zone - and screw the space.
Luckily my eldest is a tall 11, so he can sit in the front.

I won't risk anything other than a wee hatchback until I know my onions.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 09:31:49

I also can't believe there is a person on the planet who always parks perfectly first time with no adjustments when parallel parking.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 09:35:30

Really, Merry Mouse!

Unfortunatly, I have. A small child, 2 years, 3 months and four days, knocked over by a car that was backing back and forth into a parking space. A simple task but one that was beyond them and, on one of their interminable backing out to have another go, they ran over the boy.

Parking is a good test to see if one can handle the car or not. if they can't park it, they can't handle it. if they can't get into a parking space and leave the car straight, how do you think they manage on country lanes when they meet another car; how do you think they manage overtaking on a motorway?

Parking is basic. if you make a pig's ear of it, try another car that you might be able to manage or stay off the road.

SlangWhanger Tue 23-Jul-13 09:55:57

So..... according to some of the Mumsnetters on this thread parking skew obviously means that you cant handle your car and shouldn't be on the road hmm

What a load of crap.
The OP has not said she can't park it, all she said was that, in this ONE instance, she parked it skew (but within the lines) It is ridiculous to extrapolate this into meaning she shouldn't be driving the car.

I am bloody brilliant at parallel parking but I bet I have left my car skew once or twice. I presume all the outraged MN'ers on this thread have never done it.

I am loving the hysterical and ridiculous generalisations too. It actually doesnt follow that if you drive X type of car then you are automatically a selfish driver. A lot of you are talking snidey CRAP.

Silverfoxballs Tue 23-Jul-13 10:01:33

I have heard so many men over my many years on this planet make shitty jokes about women drivers that I do cringe when I see women not being able to park enormous cars. Not because I mind but because some sexist idiot will be having a good old internal laugh while watching. We used to have a huge estate car, I made sure I could park it.

From a safety point of view any driver regardless of gender should be able to manoeuvre their car properly in including parking.

ComposHat Tue 23-Jul-13 10:13:09

Samu do you have five kids plus a partner? If not, you really don't need a seven seater and it would be foolhardy to get one as a first car. A small hatchback will easily accommodate three young children and then some.

I agree that people should be restricted to engine size/curb-weight for a period of a few years after their test. A similar provision exists with motorbikes already.

I drove a three and a half tonne VW Crafter at the weekend, it is hugely bigger than a transit van, it is scary to think that someone could leap into one of those straight after passing their driving test.

Missmarples - sorry but that's a silly example. Any two year old is below the level of the rear of a car. Any driver - you and I included - could hit a child like even on your first manouvere when parking if the child is not restrained - which is why hands should be held or reins used without question near parking traffic.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 10:29:33

I don't think it's so much the small children that take up space, its the car seats they have to travel in, and that as soon as you want to go somewhere with grandparents/a friend you need an extra car.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 10:33:13

Well, I guess anyone should be able to drive any car as soon as they pass their test and people who cannot handle large cars should not feel bad about it, after all they need those cars.

Of course, the parent of any child who is knocked over by one of these people can console themselves that they are merely silly examples. The child should be the right height for their age and at no time should that child dart away. Northern Lurker-have you ever had a 2 year old?

Inexperienced and incompetent drivers who insist on driving a large car (drivers who are so incompetent that they cannot even park properly) are a danger. I am amazed that anyone could even argue against that but then there will always be apologists for anything.

Oh yes I have. Three of them actually and yes we always applied car park rules. Every single time. But if we hadn't and something awful had happened it would have been an accident in which neither party was at fault.
Your accident story was a silly example because that accident was nothing to do with being unable to park. It was an accidental collision.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 10:42:19

The point northern lurker made was that anybody could run over a 2 year old if the child suddenly darted behind a car, whatever the size of car or however many attempts had been made at parking.

Of course you can usually spot children playing on a pavement or a group of adults with children standing around chatting, and when you park you drive at a snail's pace or, in a car park you wait until they have moved well out of your way and you do not move unless you are certain that the space you are moving into is clear.

This is what prevents accidents, not the amount of time you take to park, or straightening up.

Yes exactly Merry. There are usually kids playing in our road and if I'm reversing out I count them and then make sure I can see them all before moving! In a car park setting where other cars obstruct your view you can't do that as well and toddlers are vulnerable.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 10:47:45

Oh dear!

Are you an altruistic apologist, Northern Lurker, or are you not too good behind the wheel yourself?

My driving is certainly better than your use of logic. Perhaps you should brush up on that before you're let loose on a forum with a large ego computer.

Samu2 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:00:59


I have five kids and dh got the car a few weeks ago so we could have some days out in the holidays. I can't afford a small run around for me as well so I texted my driving instructor and he said when I pass the test we can always have some lessons in mine just to help me get used to the bigger one.

I have drove it on quiet roads but wouldn't dear park or anything yet.

pictish Tue 23-Jul-13 11:04:10

Yeah you need that car then. Or rather, if you're going to have a car at all, it has to be one of those.
<sucks air through teeth>
I don't envy you at all. Practise practise's the only way.
Good luck.

Samu2 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:04:46


Samu2 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:06:48

Thank you.

I am nervous about driving it. But I won't drive it alone until I am confident I can do it properly. Even if that takes more lessons after I have passed in it.

I am too nervous not to do that lol

My husband has been driving for years and he is having an awful time reversing it into our narrow drive. He swears a lot while doing so!

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 11:43:35

Northern Lurker.

It is logical to hope that incompetent or inexperienced drivers are not encouraged to place themselves behind the wheel of a large vehicle that they cannot even park properly; even if they do absolutely need it so much that the safety of others is put at risk.

Or are you saying it doesn't matter if they are inexperienced or incompetent, they should be able to drive whatever they please? if this is what you are trying to say, why? I am interested to hear the logic behind this 'unusual' view.

To be clear, it is reasonable imo, to assume that if a driver cannot park a car without causing danger or annoyance to others, then it does not bode well for other more complicated driving situations that they find themselves in. It is a little like asking someone whom you have witnessed making a pig's ear out of sewing on a button, to make your wedding dress. if they cannot do the most basic task they are incompetent in that area. Therefore, in this situation, if they can't park a particular car then they can't handle it. That is dangerous.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 11:47:36

There is no evidence that she couldn't park the car though.

EeTraceyluv Tue 23-Jul-13 11:52:19

Q7, ikea bookcase, washing machine? Fantastic. And three children! I must immediately get rid of my Nissan Micra and purchase a monster.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 11:57:21

Only the evidence of her own words that she tried 'several times' and in the end had to leave it a bit, 'squint'.-'squint' enough for someone to draw her attention to it.

merrymouse Tue 23-Jul-13 12:11:48

Manoeuvring slowly and carefully in a clear stretch of road is not dangerous (assuming no other breach of regulations particular to that road). Parking within a parking bay is not dangerous.

If she parked dangerously or illegally or was on the phone or driving without due care and attention she should be prosecuted or fined.

If you think anything she has mentioned should be illegal, I suggest you lobby your MP. However, I doubt you will have much luck.

missmarplestmarymead Tue 23-Jul-13 12:42:59

It is proof that she is not competent at handling the car, even if she was having her several attempts in an isolated spot, witnessed by nobody.

If she displays that same level of incompetence on the road or in a crowded supermarket car park, she will be a danger.

Some MPs are interested in exploring the fact that should be a restriction on the size or engine capacity that a newly qualified driver can drive. Seems reasonable.

The OP may not be newly qualified, she may just be incompetent at handling her vehicle. There is no remedy for that, other than the fact that her own conscience might tell her that she and her car are not matched. However, I think that will be unlikely.

ComposHat Tue 23-Jul-13 12:55:59

I agree missmar that engine/vehicle size should be restricted upon passing a test - maybe be nothing bigger than a 1.4 for the first few years after passing.

I also agree thst if you can't complete a relatively simple manoeuvre at dlow speed, ten you are not in control of yhe vehicle and shouldn't be driving it.

The turn in the road/reverse park/reverse around the corner are thete to test your ability to keep close control of your car at dlow speed whilst being aware of what is around you.

if you can't do any if them safely and quickly in the car you're driving, you aren't in proper control of it.

kinkyfuckery Tue 23-Jul-13 13:02:51

MrsKeithRichards Tue 23-Jul-13 08:14:15

Dundee has an ikea


Crumbledwalnuts Tue 23-Jul-13 13:04:58

You're wrong, you should park properly. Just because you've got a big car is no excuse. Learn to park considerately so that others can open their doors or don't drive it.

fluckered Tue 23-Jul-13 13:15:01

don't care what you drive. am more annoyed at the opinion that as long as you are between the lines your fine. so if you are over to one side BUT inbetween the lines its still a selfish way to park not allowing anyone else parking beside you to get out.

as it is, it was parallel parking and taking the OP at face value I am assuming it was a very slight "squint". but just because you are within the lines don't make it impossible for anyone else to park around you. that's just selfish.

she was bu to rant at you. though what exactly did you say for her to think you were having a dig at her finances?

SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 13:35:47

The nearest Ikea to Aberdeen is Edinburgh - not sure about it being Stavenger timewise. All that checking in, hanging about until take off, getting out of the airport etc...can you do that in the 2.5/3 hours it takes you to get to Loanhead from Aberdeen? Would be worth a race just to see grin

sleeplessbunny Tue 23-Jul-13 13:53:56

YABU for having a Q7
YABVU for driving a car you cannot park
YABVVU for telling us all that you have a Q7 bags of money and no sense
YABVVVU for justifying your purchase of said car with the reasons "3 kids and 7 seats". You are by no means alone with these requirements.
and she WBU to rant at you, unless you were so badly parked you were blocking the road or access to other parked cars. which i sort of suspect you were

EeTraceyluv Tue 23-Jul-13 14:15:44

Is it white?

Noseynoonoo Tue 23-Jul-13 14:41:53

Being within the the lines is not the aim. Surely we should be central and parallel to the lines. If not we could have someone park against the line and then the next person parks against the same line. Both are within the line but now the doors cannot be opened. There needs to be space to open the doors and for a body to get in between.

It just comes down to simple consideration for others. I drive a small-ish quite unfashionable car. We can afford a bigger more fashionable car but I'd prefer a car with good visibility that I can park and get me and the DCs in and out of.

Crumbledwalnuts Tue 23-Jul-13 14:50:07

I'm a note writer (nerd I suppose that means really). If that woman had been me you would have come back to a note on your windscreen saying Can't Park Properly? Or Won't Park Properly?

SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 16:29:36

EeTraceyluv - I'm willing to bet it's black with tinted windows

EatingAllTheCrumpets Tue 23-Jul-13 16:56:25

You could get a smaller 7 seated with 4wd. But that's beside the point. It's your car, your choice. You could drive a gold plated Bugatti for all I care!!

YABU to not be able to park properly. A car not in the bay squarely causes problems for other people, especially in a parallel park situation. You need to practise more. The Q7, like most large cars and higher end vehicles are very sophisticated when it comes to park assist. I suggest you practice.

I would (and do) pass comment to those who park badly when it causes issues to me or others. Sometimes I'm not very polite about it either grin

EeTraceyluv Tue 23-Jul-13 18:22:04

Naa, white is the colour for people who say 'I've got a q7 but I like, neeeeeed it' grin

SHarri13 Tue 23-Jul-13 18:35:36

Calling it 'the q7' is very, very, very unreasonable.

PeriodFeatures Tue 23-Jul-13 19:18:10

I can just imagine the confrontation. 'oooo poor me having to drive my panzer tank as i call it'

Surely other people can see through this veiled show offery knobbery?

I used to quite like those cars but I don't anymore now i associate them with showy off twats who can't drive

PeriodFeatures Tue 23-Jul-13 19:30:46


SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 19:40:49

grin Tracey

Wuldric Tue 23-Jul-13 19:43:14

OP you have fallen victim to another MN Rule, which is right up there with fruitshoots, which is Thou Shalt Not Drive an SUV. It does not matter whether said SUV is a model of fuel economy and doesn't have bull-bars. You shall still be judged as selfish and gas-guzzling and a nanosecond away from running over a child you cannot see whilst attempting to park.

What you should have done is fib a little bit in the OP. You should have disguised the Q7 as a Fiat 600. There may have been many more comments about learning to park. But you would not have broken one of the MN Commandments and you might even have scored some of the sympathy you were looking for.

SelectAUserName Tue 23-Jul-13 20:23:02

This thread makes me want to break into an Audi showroom, get into the biggest fuck-offiest Q7 in the place, take it to the nearest car park and park it sideways across three spaces.

Some sanctimonious judgy perfect fuckers on here, to be sure.

Glittertwins Tue 23-Jul-13 20:28:17

You forgot to bling it up with the wheels and sports kit ;)

SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 20:38:35

And the tinted windows - don't forget the tinted windows. And you must make sure you drive it fast up the bumper of the person who dares to slow down the Q7 (that's a Q7 Audi, dontcha know wink)

Ilovemyself Tue 23-Jul-13 20:46:41

OP. do you keep the standard tyres on in the snow? And if you can't park it on a sunny day what chance do you have of driving well in the snow?

Glittertwins Tue 23-Jul-13 20:48:57

4wd doesn't necessarily help in the snow on a hill. It just means all wheels rotate uselessly whilst going nowhere. At least we provided my dad with a cheap laugh!

PleasePudding Tue 23-Jul-13 21:10:40

I thought the OP said parallel parking - in which case it makes hardly any difference to anyone else in the whole world - as cars going by would avoid the white line. I mainly drive a battered old peugeout hatchback and learnt to drive on Dartmoor so am necessarily shit hot at reversing. Even though my car is tiny and I can park well I still sometimes leave my car squint on a dodgy parallel park - surely most of us have done when under pressure and it won't affect anyone.

There is a ridiculous amount of harshness here. And maybe the op refers to it as the Q7 as that is what she thinks of it as, like I think of my car as either blue car or white car and that is how I refer to them to insurance companies and mechanics.

OP YANBU some people positively shake with excitement when they see a something to disapprove of. What a pain in the arse this woman was. The fact that you have an SUV is neither here nor there but, considering where you live, is pretty sensible if you can afford it.

And people should not complain/judge excessively about petrol consumption unless they are maximally efficient on everything, never eat hot-housed food etc.

PeriodFeatures Tue 23-Jul-13 21:38:30

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SlangWhanger Tue 23-Jul-13 21:45:54

PeriodFeatures. You must have seen a different OP to me then. Why the hell can't someone mention the make of car without people assuming it is done to show off. It's pathetic and unpleasant to assume someone
is bragging simply because they have mentioned the make of their car.

EarthtoMajorTom Tue 23-Jul-13 21:47:22

This must be a reverse aibu.

Learn to park, or get a Corsa.

PeriodFeatures Tue 23-Jul-13 21:51:40

Sorry. It was the tone of the message overall i think. You are correct, it was pathetic and unpleasant. Next time I read a post and think gosh, they sound like a bit of a twat perhaps I shall not comment. grin

EarthtoMajorTom Tue 23-Jul-13 22:02:31

No, write, 'gosh, you sound like a bit of a twat'. This is the internet smile

ReindeerBollocks Tue 23-Jul-13 22:02:59

I don't care about the make of the car - and the lady who commented probably didn't either.

It doesn't matter if your driving a mini or a tank, either park it properly or don't drive it. I seriously doubt if it is a huge car that it was squint but still within the lines, cars that big that are parked at an angle usually do go over the lines, making you unreasonable.

SirChenjin Tue 23-Jul-13 22:06:16

Aww, that's what the OP thought too Slang when she presumed that woman thought she was calling her poor for not driving a Q7 (that's an Audi Q7, an Audi, and not just any old Audi oh no no no, an Audi Q7 that she 'needs') grin

SlangWhanger Tue 23-Jul-13 22:09:03

Good plan! grin

OrmirianResurgam Tue 23-Jul-13 22:17:40

Q7? From the way you are all talking it sounds more like the QE2 (joke that ages me massively). I have a C8 (now we all sound equally wanky) and it's huge but I can park it. Learn to park it, or get a new car.

Woman was rude but this dem furrin weather makes awkward cusses of us all. She had a point.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Tue 23-Jul-13 22:58:42

OP you have fallen victim to another MN Rule, which is right up there with fruitshoots, which is Thou Shalt Not Drive an SUV. It does not matter whether said SUV is a model of fuel economy and doesn't have bull-bars. You shall still be judged as selfish and gas-guzzling and a nanosecond away from running over a child you cannot see whilst attempting to park.

I drive an SUV. I couldn't give a shiny shit what a bunch of strangers on t'internet think. I didn't really need it for any particular thing. It will come in handy for some stuff but really I just wanted one. It's new so it's very efficient and has got low emissions etc but I Just Wanted One. It's lovely thanks! grin

And as I mentioned up thread somewhere, so far it's a breeze to park. wink

susiedaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 23:13:31

As long as you didn't park in a way that stopped anyone parking next to you and opening their doors then yanbu but you should learn to park properly tbh!

Well I have a T4 and as I drove forward into a parallel parking place the other day the T4 mounted the kerb. I left my T4 squint, but inside the lines. No part of the T4, even the bike rack, was outside the lines.

Would you all like to hate me instead?

missmarplestmarymead Wed 24-Jul-13 11:06:43

I don't think anyone is hating anyone......bit silly.

As far as I, and plenty of others are concerned, it doesn't matter if you are driving a T4, a Q7, riding a trike or steering a bath chair. If you can't park it, don't drive it.

Not rocket science, although it is all about showing consideration which does seem to be a leetle tricky for some to understand!

Bumpotato Wed 24-Jul-13 11:18:50

I would have thought a Q7 would have automatic parking cheap shite grin

My new car has the auto parking but I do a better job.

Go into a quiet car park on evening and practice parking your motor, OP!

fromparistoberlin Wed 24-Jul-13 11:22:25

she is not showing off

she cant fucking park though!!!

not can I OP, lesson learned: leave an extra ten minutes to drive around and find a spave you can easily park in. I literally depart my car SWEATING

i fucking hate parking

curryeater Wed 24-Jul-13 11:26:26

People who can't drive their stupid big cars are incredibly annoying. Perhaps the person who lost it with you had just spent 10 minutes reversing down a narrow London residential street with cars parked on each side, because some tosser in an insanely huge car had just ploughed round the corner into her face without checking and then had no idea how to get out of the situation. Sorry, you have to take this for the team. The Bad Drivers With Big Greedy Cars In Cities team. Or resign from the team.

tobiasfunke Wed 24-Jul-13 11:36:56

YABU for starting a thread on here about parking. Even if this woman had come over and repeatedly punched you in the face whilst berating you would still get get told you entirely deserved it because you intimated in some way you didn't park in a text book stylee.

YABU thinking you need a massive 4 x4 for the winter. The Continentals don't use them - they have winter tyres and or snow chains on lighter cars. However YANBU buying whatever car you wish.

SlangWhanger Wed 24-Jul-13 11:59:36

Snow chains are not practical for the UK See the AAs Advice HERE. I used to live in snowy Canada, four wheel drive and winter tyres is the best way to go.

ComposHat Wed 24-Jul-13 12:12:29

Yes, those ridiculous 4X4 with fucking skinny low profile tyres and wanky bolt on spoilers sports kits gets my goat. By and large you don't need a 4x4 in the Uk, but why negate the one useful purpose of a 4X4 by putting a load of fibre glass tat and totally inapropriate tyres?

Fucking idiots.

musicismylife Wed 24-Jul-13 12:16:20

OP, I once had a car the size of yours. I could park it fine and drive it fine. But I knew that I would forever be under other peoples' scrutiny. I used the same excuse of you; loads of kids, blah, blah, blah.

I have now downsized, feel a lot more confident and guess what? All of my kids can fit in it.

I'm afraid it goes with the territory. Suck it up.

susiedaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 12:21:07

Doesn't matter what car it is, if someone can't park properly in the allocated space it's bloody annoying for the person next to them who can't get their doors open cause the other car is right on the line, it's crap, selfish driving regardless of the car!

SirChenjin Wed 24-Jul-13 14:15:09

I wonder if the OP has hidden this thread by now? I know I would have done - my skin would not be thick enough to withstand this thread grin

Ilovemyself Wed 24-Jul-13 18:24:25

Sorry but anyone saying this is not boasting needs their head examining. There was bo reason to state the model of the car other than to brag. And to say it is need as the OP lives in Scotland is tosh. She probably has no idea how to drive a 4x4 properly and I bet she keeps the road tyres on which will be useless in the snow!

SlangWhanger Wed 24-Jul-13 18:53:01

I don't think it was boasting. Why would anyone boast about their car? It could be an old clapped out one for all we know. It doesn't stop people making ridiculous assumptions about the OPs driving abilities, manners, personalities etc etc. How can anyone know what tyres the OP uses in winter??? This thread is full of psychics

And before anyone asks, I don't have an SUV hmm. And I am brilliant at parking.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Jul-13 18:54:53

It wasn't a very good boast as most of us didn't know what a Q7 was. grin

StickEmUp Wed 24-Jul-13 19:00:39

Bleedin heck I've seen a Q7 ... once ... I was AWEstruck. Really, I was.
It's like a boat. QE2 is right.
That said, as long as it's not nicked, have what the fuck you like.
Life is too short to give a shiney shit.

I saw one today and I thought "Q7....Q7....why does that ring a bell?" confused

Then I realised I was remembering it from this thread. It was big, but strangely nondescript. And overhanging both ends of the parking bay.

Not half as impressive as the white Evoque I saw last week, with the number plate 'CL4SSY' no, you're not love, really

Ilovemyself Wed 24-Jul-13 23:32:34

Oh come on slangwanger. You don't get an old clapped out Q7. The only reason people make posts like this is to say look how cool I am and how much I can afford. Look at my c-max or transit minibus just doesn't have the same ring.........

SlangWhanger Wed 24-Jul-13 23:48:53

You can buy a second hand Q7 for 12,900 That is not a massive amount for a massive big car.

I wonder how many of the posters who have made ridiculous assumptions about the OP have spent more on their own cars grin

If they have, I wonder if they would be brave enough to admit it.

missmarplestmarymead Thu 25-Jul-13 00:36:17

I said, quite early on in the thread, that one of our cars is a large lexus saloon and that I could park it.

I then repeated it because some fool came along and asked me what I drove. As she said she was saying it with a 'po face' I imagined she was trying to say I was jealous of the fact that the OP had a jeep! Obviously not but then I couldn't really care less if she drove a rolls royce or a bath chair. My point was that she shouldn't be driving what she can't park unless she discovered the secret of perpetual motion and intended never to pull up.

I think we've moved on from the fact that anyone is jealous of the OP's jeep, as many posters tried to make the simple point-whatever your car is, if you can't park it, don't drive it! That's good manners towards fellow road users.

everlong Thu 25-Jul-13 01:05:49

Cheeky fucker. I would have so ripped her head off.

everlong Thu 25-Jul-13 01:09:25

Why are people slating the OP's Q7??

If she hadn't have said the make of car her post wouldn't have made sense.

chipmonkey Thu 25-Jul-13 01:50:55

Oh, I see we're playing competitive poverty!

Right, I drive a go-cart and have to cram in eight kids, four dogs, two llamas, an elephant and a horn-billed pelican!

<<<<That'll learn that uppity one with her Q7.>>>>

MidniteScribbler Thu 25-Jul-13 01:55:26

I have a real 4x4, much bigger than "the q7" (and mine has mud on it and everything) and I wouldn't drive it if I couldn't drive or park it correctly. Large vehicles have a lot of potential for more damage in an accident, and you also need to be aware that other vehicles may not have as much visibility when around you. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who moans that their car is too big to park. It's not too big to park, you're just a crap driver and should go and take lessons before driving a vehicle you can't manage correctly.

Idocrazythings Thu 25-Jul-13 05:19:58

I think no matter what car you have you should park it properly. And not being straight in the lines is not acceptable unless you have a car like mr bean

Sorry OP YWBU. (And I hate parking too)

Glittertwins Thu 25-Jul-13 07:04:43

If you buy a newer Q7, they are much more fuel efficient so not the gas guzzler they are perceived to be. The older 3.0 diesels are about the same as our Zafira not really that bad at all.

susiedaisy Thu 25-Jul-13 19:37:16

Goes off to google a Q7 to see what the fuss is all about!

ComposHat Thu 25-Jul-13 21:06:41

it is like someone has pumped an Audi A3 full of steroids

alemci Thu 25-Jul-13 21:17:58

where I live there is one particular supermarket where sometimes drivers park long saloon cars next to mine at an angle to my smaller car maing it difficult to back out. perhaps they cant manoeuvre car or dont care but why so inconsiderate.

ComposHat Thu 25-Jul-13 21:19:36

it is like someone has pumped an Audi A3 full of steroids, do mamages to look blwnd and horribly mis-shapen at the same time.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Thu 25-Jul-13 21:29:26

Sorry but anyone saying this is not boasting needs their head examining. There was bo reason to state the model of the car other than to brag.

I always call my car by its model. When I had a Ford Fiesta it was 'the Fiesta', when I had a VW Golf it was 'the Golf' and now I have a Landrover Freelander it's 'the Freelander'. I think that's pretty normal actually. What the hell do you call yours? confused

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Thu 25-Jul-13 21:30:31

Oh and grin to see this thread is still going.

The op has definitely hidden it by now.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Thu 25-Jul-13 21:30:38

i live on a street with a lot of these cars on it (stealth boast) and unless they are parked P E R F E C T L Y they are an absolute fucker to get round/park behind/pull out from, because they're already taking up acres more room than their fair share.

conorsrockers Thu 25-Jul-13 21:35:33

OP - my kids go to a school where just about every Mum drives a Q7 or a Range Rover Sport or similar. We live in the country - it's for the snow apparently blush most of them can't park properly. It drives me nuts and means that my kids have to clamber across my (filthy I admit) pick-up to get out one side. Our weekend car (DH's commuting car) is a Toyota Aygo - it fits 5 of us in no problem (3 big DS with their cricket kits) and guess what - it goes in the snow too, if you know how to drive properly. Having a big car is NO EXCUSE for not being able to park. I park my pick-up on a sixpence and it's a good deal longer than a Q7. If I couldn't drive it, I wouldn't have it.
Guess who ends up in the ditch when the snow comes wink
I'm not trying to be a smug bitch (but doing a good job of sounding like one) but you are going to struggle to get sympathy by blaming your parking on your car - whatever car it is.

K8Middleton Thu 25-Jul-13 21:48:28

I live in a town where almost everyone has one of these for the second best au-pair.

<wins thread>

SacreBlue Thu 25-Jul-13 21:49:51

I think it's perfectly reasonable to have the car you want - even to be a bit crap at parking said car for a little while after you buy it since you are getting used to it and to have an off day when you are in a rush/tight spot and park it a little less than 100%

I do worry though as said upthread about anyone driving a car who regularly has difficulty in parking it in a safe manner, or even a thoughtful to other users manner.

I don't think that sounds like you OP, so maybe the other lady was having a bad day (perhaps even down to someone else's parking recently)

At least you didn't end up all over the internet

ps - just round the corner from me & I admit, even watching it, I felt like offering to take the wheel for her grin

AberdeenAngusina Thu 25-Jul-13 22:14:14

After World War II ended, one of the doctors in the OPs neck of the woods bought an actual tank, which ensured he was able to reach all his patients even in the depth of winter.

I wonder if anyone ever complained about his driving?

itsallaboutyoubaby Thu 25-Jul-13 22:20:15

"I always call my car by its model. When I had a Ford Fiesta it was 'the Fiesta', when I had a VW Golf it was 'the Golf' and now I have a Landrover Freelander it's 'the Freelander'. I think that's pretty normal actually. What the hell do you call yours? confused"

I call it 'my car' confused

SirChenjin Thu 25-Jul-13 22:21:11

I used to live up on Deeside AberdeenAngusina and never heard that story - love it! Where did he drive it?!

AberdeenAngusina Thu 25-Jul-13 22:29:58

Sir Chenjin, apparently he used it to get to women in labour in winter. I think it was more of an armoured vehicle rather than a full on tank, but I've heard it described as a tank.

SirChenjin Thu 25-Jul-13 22:36:15

grin Must see if I can find a link to that story! If only he'd had a Q7 wink

AberdeenAngusina Thu 25-Jul-13 22:37:58

I've looked it up. It was a Universal Carrier, also known as a Bren Gun carrier and it looked like a proper tank with caterpillar wheels. It was a three-man tank, designed to carry two crew and a gunner, but he drove it single-handedly (obviously he didn't need a gunner in Deeside wink )

AberdeenAngusina Thu 25-Jul-13 22:39:26

Google Dr Ewan Forbes-Sempill

AberdeenAngusina Thu 25-Jul-13 22:47:00

Fourth paragraph of the Wikipedia entry - Medical career.

ChaChaDigregorio Thu 25-Jul-13 22:51:19

It would take 1.5 yrs on my teaching salary to buy the cheapest Q7 and i would have to live on air, in a tent too. Something is wrong with the world....

chipmonkey Thu 25-Jul-13 23:25:56

But parking is difficult for some of us! I really hate this attitude by people who find it easy. I hate, hate, hate my Verso, I feel like I am driving a truck, I have no spatial awareness and have difficulty with laterality and directionality. The poor guy who taught me to drive and succeeded in getting me to pass my driving test where other instructors had failed had to tell me that if you are reversing and you turn the steering wheel to the right, that the car would also go to the right. That fact had completely eluded me! And boy did it explain a lot about why I couldn't park!
I passed my driving test but no matter how much I practice, I never know how close I am to things on the left-hand-side or in front of me and usually find when I step out of the thing that I am a couple of yards away from the wall I thought was a couple of inches from the bonnet!
But once we had ds4, I had no choice but to buy the stupid thing. I can't wait till ds1 can drive himself and I can drive a small car again.

SlangWhangering Thu 25-Jul-13 23:48:28

Blimey Chip I would never have admitted to being a bad parker on this thread.

They are ALL perfect parkers and they will crucify you shock shock

<<runs away scared emoticon>> grin

(Obviously, I am a perfect parker, obviously) hmm


chipmonkey Fri 26-Jul-13 00:33:39

I normally do park well...........eventually!grin but it has sometimes involved tears and swearing or driving off in a huff to another parking space so that someone who is trying to get past won't be sitting there in their car, thinking "What the fuck is she doing?"

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 01:02:01

Anyone that thinks this is boasting needs a word with themselves.

The OP had to say what make the car was, it was relevant to her tale.


SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-13 09:10:09

Thanks Aberdeen that's a great link and story! I see he was in Alford rather than Deeside, and as we all know the winters in Braemar are far, far worse - hence the need for the Q7 wink grin

Chip - have you got parking sensors? We had them fitted to our previous car which was an Alhambra and huge, and parking was a doddle afterwards - I can highly recommend them. A couple of parking lessons too maybe, to build your confidence? smile

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Fri 26-Jul-13 10:05:40

*"I always call my car by its model. When I had a Ford Fiesta it was 'the Fiesta', when I had a VW Golf it was 'the Golf' and now I have a Landrover Freelander it's 'the Freelander'. I think that's pretty normal actually. What the hell do you call yours? confused"

I call it 'my car' confused*

Sorry baby I forgot that not everyone has more than one car sitting on their drive! We currently have three, and have to be a bit specific!

MidniteScribbler Fri 26-Jul-13 11:08:54

I have two cars so have to distinguish between the two. Although I just generally use "the beast" and "the fartbox".

KatoPotato Fri 26-Jul-13 11:16:43

We used to call our scenic the Venga bus. Now my Clio is called 'My car'

I had to ask a visitor at work to get my car out my space after being hemmed in by a Ginormous Volvo. It took him 7 maneuvers and a lot of dry streering.

ComposHat Fri 26-Jul-13 11:25:54

My previous car was known as the eliminator (ancient anemic 1.2 Clio in old man maroon)

Its successor (an even older but perkier Toyota Corrolla) is known as the dream machine.

Yeah P reg Corolla with intergalactic mileage and more scratches wnd scrapes than a skateboarders elbow. Got you all green with envy now!

sue52 Fri 26-Jul-13 14:42:10

I agree with the "can't park it then don't drive it camp". it really doesn't matter if it's a Q7 or a Ford Ka. Hemming people in by parking badly is inconsiderate. I'm not sure if the OP did this or her bad parking made it difficult to use the neighbouring space.

alemci Fri 26-Jul-13 14:50:04

Chip Monkey I agree with you that about the steering. I am not a bad driver but if i feel a bit flustered with parking I am not sure which way to turn the wheel. It doesn't seem logical as the wheels somehow seem to go the opposite way to the direction you are steering.

is it because you are going backwards?

Goooooooooooooooooooooood Fri 26-Jul-13 14:58:19

My car is known as my car by me and Goo...d's car by everyone else

My DH's car is known as my car by my DH and Goo...d's DH's car by everyone else

Dull but accurate hmm

coraltoes Fri 26-Jul-13 15:00:41

hahahaha i read the OP and KNEW the crown would wade in re: gas guzzler/ why not get a smaller car/ why not walk and carry the kids in your pockets

Hows about she bought a car she wanted. it was on sale. legally you know. they do sell them over the counter so to speak. Until it becomes illegal i dont see the issue with people driving whatever the fuck they like.

you should learn to park though

TheFallenNinja Fri 26-Jul-13 15:03:00

Lol coral.

I can't wait for the planets resources to be exhausted so we can finally live in space. smile

HaroldLloyd Fri 26-Jul-13 15:04:37

I can't park for shit and I've got a punto.

As long as you were in the white lines and not causing anyone a problem she was being a knob.

TSSDNCOP Fri 26-Jul-13 15:15:16

Have whatever car you like, but only on condition you can drive it. Inability to park isn't a cute "aw shucks" thing, it causes problems for other road users and makes the driver look a twat.

Frankly given a q7's spec I'd have said your have to be a super crap driver not to be able to park.

TSSDNCOP Fri 26-Jul-13 15:16:04

You'd not your

GoodTouchBadTouch Fri 26-Jul-13 15:21:33

You are being very U to give a shit about something so trivial, when you have FORTY ODD GRAND to spend on a car

Goooooooooooooooooooooood Fri 26-Jul-13 16:21:45
chipmonkey Fri 26-Jul-13 16:28:08

alemci, I think it is, the whole thing just seems counterintuitive to me. I think what also doesn't help is that I panic. I remember trying to get out of a really tight space and taking forever going an inch forward, an inch back, an inch forward for around 15 minutes and this awful feeling of fear and panic that I was never going to get out. Or the time I ended up too close to the car beside me and actually crying because every time I tried to get further away from it I got closer to it until I had to fold my mirror in to get back out. A nice man came along and pretty much told me what to do with the steering wheel till I got out but I remember thinking that what he was telling me was the opposite of what seemed logical to me.
A good driving instructor helped me a lot and I have managed to get a lot of practice in empty car parks but in a full car park I still get a bit panicky and I HATE people watching me!

alemci Fri 26-Jul-13 17:31:28

I do too chip but love parking sensors on my car, also improved my driving when I test drove auris as it was bigger and I became more confident

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-13 17:48:16

Parking sensors and a couple more lessons from a driving instructor are what you need Chip - there's no need to panic when it comes to parking.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:01:50

I am not sure why you feel the need to say it is a Q7, rather than just very large car/ 4 x 4. It makes you sound like a knob.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:03:43

If she'd have said her car was a clapped out fiesta would you all be bitching? No.

It's what the car is. So what.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:04:29

Still sounds like a knob.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:07:01

I don't think so.

Why are people so touchy and insecure about what other people have?

I don't get it.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:09:56

If she'd have posted about her very large car she would have been ripped to pieces.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:11:04

I don't feel remotely insecure- I think it is quite the opposite actually, the OP obviously feels SHE has something to prove, hence referencing the fact she has a luxury car.

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-13 18:11:13

If she talked about her ST-1 or her Titanium-X I would be hmm

Audi drivers are in a league of their own though, everyone knows that grin Daily Mail alert

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:14:27

See I wouldn't class a Q7 as a luxury car.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:17:20

Is that because you are also so super rich that only Aston Martins and Bentleys are properly luxurious? Don't be so ridiculous.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:20:40

I don't have hang ups about other people's cars that's for sure.

RedToothBrush Fri 26-Jul-13 18:21:21

If you can't park a car properly, you are a dangerous driver.

I wish they tested people's parking in various sizes of car, and if you couldn't park it you didn't get a license for that size of car.

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-13 18:21:52

What - a car worth £50K isn't a luxury car?? Get real. It's about 2 years salary for the average person in the UK.

Stupid fucking big cars (DH has one which I refuse to drive) but am sure he would never refer to it by model as that would make him sound like a complete twat.

Do you not see that most parking spaces are not designed for such stupidly big cars and it makes it extremely hard for people to get in and out of the cars you park next to when you park straight let alone when you park at an angle.

Buy yourself a smaller car if you cannot manage to park it or park it far away where there are enough spaces so your terribly inconsiderate parking does not have an impact on others.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:23:09

Why does italy it wrong for her to say what it is?

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:25:24

I don't have hang ups about other peoples cars either. I do have hang ups about stupid prats who make idiotic comments about 50k cars not being a luxury, when I have spent the week directing mothers to food banks to feed their children.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:27:40

Who says its a brand new Q7 ffs.

It might be years old.

Fucking calm down.

everlong Fri 26-Jul-13 18:30:10

If she'd have said in her OP about her ' very large car ' as opposed to naming it immediately people would have assumed it was a range rover.

It would have been peculiar not to name it.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:30:38

We have moved on from that to your idiotic comment.....

chipmonkey Fri 26-Jul-13 18:57:54

Idiotic? I would class it as a luxury car but that's because I personally don't drive that good a car and probably won't either because I wouldn't spend money on a car if I could have a good holiday instead! However, if everlong thinks it isn't, she's entitled to her opinions without being called idiotic.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:59:35

No, well clearly she lives in a parallel universe where everyone spends 50k on their run of the mill car!

GoodTouchBadTouch Fri 26-Jul-13 19:03:33

Jesus scarlettsmummy calm down!

Cars can cost 5X that. Everlong never said it was run of the mill, just not what she would call luxury.

What on earth that has to do with your job I don't know..

chipmonkey Fri 26-Jul-13 19:05:47

Hardly a parallel universe. There is really no need to be rude.

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 26-Jul-13 19:09:00

My point was that 50k is not what the average person spends on a car, and having spent the week doing work on the welfare reform measures, I really am quite offended by that level of ignorance.

I have a big estate car
I can't parallel park
When I learnt to drive I didn't need to do it, and I've never needed to do it since
I'm sure if my house only had street parking I'd be an expert at parallel parking
Everyone needs to practice, and if you're not very good at parking it's hardly a hanging offence, even if you have an unreasonable car the size of Greenland. Unless you park sideways across a motorway

I'd like a car with a reversing camera, then I'd spend all day parking grin

FannyFifer Fri 26-Jul-13 19:23:35

Audi drivers are generally twats though.

HeyIJustMetYou Fri 26-Jul-13 19:28:43

This thread is even worse than my one. YANBU OP, and I don't think you were bragging by mentioning the model. People invariably seem to have a chip on their shoulder towards people who have what they don't - human nature sadly.

chipmonkey Fri 26-Jul-13 19:31:51

And you had to be vile to everlong to make your point?