To believe my dd can see these weird things?

(59 Posts)
Doubtfuldaphne Mon 22-Jul-13 13:32:20

Last week I moved house to a cottage ins small Saxon town. Think one pub, one shop, lots of history
It's the first time we've moved and she is only 2.5 so its a lot for her to get her head round
She generally seems very excited and happy to have a lovely new big bedroom
However almost straight away she's started saying there's blood on the window. She pointed to a specific spot on the lounge window. She talks about it a lot and says its red!
Now it's on the upstairs windows and tells everyone about it! First we thought she said bird but she adamant it's blood.
Firstly how on earth does she know the word blood and that its red? The only tv she's seen is cbeebies and the tv is hardly ever on.
This is baffling me.

TheDeadlyDonkey Mon 22-Jul-13 13:35:10

She sees dead people.
Only logical explanation.

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 22-Jul-13 13:38:17

Has she ever fallen and grazed her knee or cut herself or seen anyone else do it?

Even if she can see some sort of ghostly blood, seeing blood (that nobody else can see) doesn't magically tell you what blood is. She would probably think it was paint or tomato sauce or something.

Also she might just be saying it because she got a slightly freaked out reaction the first time - DS went through a phase of going up to people and saying "knife!" because DP freaked out when he did it. He's stopped now and has never shown any desire to actually stab anybody. It's just adults putting horror film interpretations onto the random things small children sometimes say.

StuntGirl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:41:17

She knows its there because it was her who killed the previous owners and buried them under the village green. She's toying with you now, letting you know exactly what she's capable of. Don't cross her...

Owllady Mon 22-Jul-13 13:41:38

Well I am a weirdo because I do actually think young children do see stuff or they have very powerful imaginations and think things are real. My eldest son at a similar age to your dd was convinced a man used to come and sit with him who was his grandad and he described the man in detail and it was a description of my late FIL of who we had no photos of, had not talked about to him as he was too young etc. It freaked me out a bit anyway!

TimeofChange Mon 22-Jul-13 13:41:56

Young children often see spirits (ghosts).
They may loose this ability as they get older.

Children often see a relative, who has passed, sitting at the end of their bed.

Most spirits will not cause any problems, but if the spirits become troublesome then contact your local Spiritualist Church and they will come round and ask them to leave.

I think they are better than the RCs or CoEs at doing it.

You will now have a many posters telling you that it is your DDs imagination and that I am mad!

Owllady Mon 22-Jul-13 13:42:02

you can all laugh at me now blush

TimeofChange Mon 22-Jul-13 13:43:13

Interesting Cross post with Owllady

curlew Mon 22-Jul-13 13:44:15

She's 2.5 and she's never seen blood? Really? Is she wrapped in cotton wool at all times?

SnoopySnoopyDoggDogg Mon 22-Jul-13 13:45:35

I think what Yoni says is very sensible and most likely the best explanation, it's so easy to be freaked out when little ones come out with something unexpected because we are so saturated with horror films/violence/general scary stuff it's difficult to remember that they are not (yet) exposed to this and their minds ramble about all over the place. What comes out of their mouths is usually quite random but makes perfect sense to them.

My dd1 made me worry a bit the other day, telling me she "didn't like that man" and when pressed said "he tried to cuddle me. I don't like him" I got worried but after lots of gentle questions it turned out she'd taken a dislike to Martin Clunes on the TV (we were watching Doc Martin, not sure what he'd actually done offend her though) and that she was tired and wanted me to give her a cuddle. Confusing but we got there in the end!

curlew Mon 22-Jul-13 13:45:42

"Young children often see spirits (ghosts).
They may loose this ability as they get older."

Young children have very vivid imaginations and love to pretend. They lose interest in doing this, or at least, talking about it, as they get older.

SnoopySnoopyDoggDogg Mon 22-Jul-13 13:48:48

I am also hoping that the logical explanation is the right one as I am a humungous wimp and terrified of everything. owllady and TimeofChange I'm definitely not laughing but I am determindly pretending I didn't read your posts.

<wimp emoticon>

Noideaatall Mon 22-Jul-13 13:49:14

my partner claims he saw ghosts when he was younger. He says it was scary & he knew no one would believe him so he didn't tell anyone. At least your daughter is confident you won't mock her!

StuntGirl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:50:22

Don't worry owllady, we're all too busy laughing at time instead grin

DiseasesOfTheSheep Mon 22-Jul-13 13:52:46

DS went through a phase of going up to people and saying "knife!" because DP freaked out when he did it. He's stopped now and has never shown any desire to actually stab anybody

Sorry, but I found that hilarious... The thought of a small boy going up to people and saying, sinisterly "knife" grin

I'm glad he's not a psycho though, obviously!

TimeofChange Mon 22-Jul-13 13:53:37

If you believe that there is nothing beyond death, then it will be illogical to think that spirits exist.
That doesn't prove that they don't exist though.

ksrwr Mon 22-Jul-13 13:54:11

have you got down to her level and looked through those windows to see if there are any red buildings or anything that she can see through the window?
just an idea....

but sometimes something happens once, and they tell you over and over... so maybe she once saw some blood on a window and she's just retelling the story? my dd does this... she tells me every day this one particular boy at her nursery pushed her, he pushed her once, ages ago, but she retells it all the time!

DeWe Mon 22-Jul-13 13:55:00

Dd2 used to see "jagulars" sitting in trees between the age of about 20 months and 3years old. She completely freaked out a lady on the bus by describing in great detail the jagular that was following us.
I had to explain she'd recently watched Winnie the Pooh. grin

She still has a great imagination aged 9yo. She uses it now to explain why it wasn't her who managed to pick the paint off the ceiling above her bed, and why it wasn't her who carved her name into the bannister. hmm

StuntGirl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:55:59

And small children with over active imaginations doesn't prove they do either!

It was your authoritative, presenting it as a fact method of delivery that made me laugh, as if its all obviously absolutely, irrefutably true grin

KinkyDorito Mon 22-Jul-13 14:02:46

When he was a toddler, my DB saw my dead grandmother on the spot she committed suicide 2 years before he was born and told my parents she'd said hello and that everything would be okay. They didn't tell us where or how she'd died until we were older teenagers - that's when my DM told me that story. Spooky...

I was walking along a cliff path above Watergate Bay in Cornwall on holiday with DD when she was 2. She pointed to the edge and asked me what the lady was doing. There was no-one there and it was very innocently asked. We sped up a bit at that point!

She used to talk to 'shadow friends' (her name for them <shudder>) in her cot.

I am a cynical person but this stuff gives me the creeps. As long as your DD is not distressed by it I would play it down.

TimeofChange Mon 22-Jul-13 14:03:28

Stuntgirl: It is true.
I see them and so do others that I know.
No, we don't smoke waccy baccy.

I am very aware that people get very emotive over this too, but that's not my problem.

StuntGirl Mon 22-Jul-13 14:05:32

You can believe what you like Time, but that's all it is, belief. Neither of us can 'prove' our beliefs, which is why its belief and not fact.

cory Mon 22-Jul-13 14:13:35

Add message | Report | Message poster YoniBottsBumgina Mon 22-Jul-13 13:38:17

"Even if she can see some sort of ghostly blood, seeing blood (that nobody else can see) doesn't magically tell you what blood is. She would probably think it was paint or tomato sauce or something."

This. The very fact that she specifically uses the word blood shows that at some older person (in RL or on the telly) has indeed taught her about blood. So unless you take this as evidence that a ghostly person (whom she does not mention) turned up and informed her that this red substance is called blood, I think this is pretty good proof that she has got the whole idea from elsewhere and not from seeing something previously unknown on the window.

I have no idea whether ghosts exist or not. But this particular story suggests something else completely.

scottishmummy Mon 22-Jul-13 14:20:16

She knows word blood from anytime she,you,friend has cut/graze,or a book
Kids assimilate info from numerous sources not just cbeebies.fact she know blood red proves nowt
Snow White cut her finger there blood,any DVD.please dont woo this into something it isnt

YouTheCat Mon 22-Jul-13 14:21:50

Get your windows cleaned and have her eyes tested.

ElizabethHornswoggle Mon 22-Jul-13 14:25:16

I'm usually cynical about these types of things, but how do you explain away stories like this poster if real?! <shudder>

When he was a toddler, my DB saw my dead grandmother on the spot she committed suicide 2 years before he was born and told my parents she'd said hello and that everything would be okay. They didn't tell us where or how she'd died until we were older teenagers - that's when my DM told me that story. Spooky...

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 22-Jul-13 14:37:30

I do think some small children can see things that we aren't always aware of but I don't know if this is the case here.

Doubtfuldaphne Mon 22-Jul-13 14:48:26

Well I have to admit my son who is 12 has occasionally played zombie games on his pc so she's probably seen blood there if he's let her see the game. I really need to clamp down on my ds playing these things!
But why Its at the window still confuses me.

ElizabethHornswoggle Mon 22-Jul-13 14:53:03

Well I have to admit my son who is 12 has occasionally played zombie games on his pc so she's probably seen blood there if he's let her see the game.

Well, there you go then - you've just answered your own bloomin' question! She DOES know blood then!

Hamwidge Mon 22-Jul-13 15:01:37

At the same age as your dd, my dd used to get very upset when we visited one of my friends' house. She would point out of the window into the garden and say "please bring the baby inside mummy she's crying!" She could see a baby in a pram in the garden. This happened every time and she would get increasingly distressed that I couldn't bring the baby in from the cold.

Very weird.

cory Mon 22-Jul-13 15:23:31

ElizabethHornswoggle Mon 22-Jul-13 14:25:16
"I'm usually cynical about these types of things, but how do you explain away stories like this poster if real?! <shudder>

When he was a toddler, my DB saw my dead grandmother on the spot she committed suicide 2 years before he was born and told my parents she'd said hello and that everything would be okay. "

I would need a recording of that conversation to know how much the toddler db actually said, how much he said unprompted, how much of the gaps was filled in by adult interpretation, how much he was influenced by the reactions of the adult to his initial statement and how much the story has grown in the retelling. There is a good reason why hearsay evidence is not admissible in court.

Listening over the years to MIL retelling incidents at which I was present has given me a good idea of how easily gaps are filled out in later retelling. And how stereotypical some of those fillings are.

Many of our dc have had pretend friends. They have gauged from our reactions that there is nothing very scary or emotional about it but that to grown-ups pretend friends are cute and amusing but not really real, and they have accepted that in the long run pretend friends are just that- pretend. If instead we gave a very strong reaction, got emotional or upset, started asking "did she look like this?", "what did she say", we might well get a different response.

curlew Mon 22-Jul-13 15:33:14

I still don't know why a 2.5 year old wouldn't know what blood is, even if she's never seen a zombie game!

curlew Mon 22-Jul-13 15:34:21

This is one of the ways woo stories grow. Start from a false assumption- like, for example, that a 2.5 year old couldn't possibly know what blood is.- and build from there.

ANormalOne Mon 22-Jul-13 15:37:01

There's always a rational explanation, no need to jump to woo and the supernatural.

KinkyDorito Mon 22-Jul-13 15:44:05

cory I would be interested in that too. But it was something my parents never discussed and it was several years after it happened. We were always told she died in hospital of cancer. They stuck to this line like glue until I happened to find her death certificate as a teenager doing a family history project. When DB 'saw' her on the beach (she drowned herself because of complications with cancer and not being able to cope anymore sad), we would all have been there at the time and I would have been 8. I don't remember him saying it as we would have paid him no heed. My DM does though as she was so unnerved by it. I can't believe they would have been talking about her down there at all, whether about her killing herself or just about her generally - it was so long after her death and her suicide was a buried secret. As I said, I am very cynical, but my DM is a very matter-of-fact person and she was taken aback by it.

Like you say, it would never stand up in court. DB doesn't remember it and thinks it's all rubbish! grin

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Mon 22-Jul-13 15:56:27

The thing that I always think about woo stories like seeing people who have died where they died is how many other times did he say he saw your grandma but this one sticks in your parents mind because by chance he said it at the beach where she died. He probably said it in other places too but that gets forgotten because it isn't as emotive. Its like "psychics" who cold read and throw out lots of suggestions and people only remember the one that fits and leave thinking the "psychic" is amazing.

Owllady Mon 22-Jul-13 16:37:56

I don't know and you can all laugh again, but do think some people are more attuned to this kind of thing. I had quite a few experiences throughout my own childhood of seeing things and people. I am sure some may have been very vivid dreams though as my late sister was very poorly when was growing up and no-one talked to me about it (and I wasn't allowed to show emotion about it either) and I think the worry/confusion and upset came out in other ways iykwim. I can't explain all the things though

Annakin31 Mon 22-Jul-13 17:05:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

allbie Mon 22-Jul-13 17:19:17

As long as she doesn't start saying redrum over and over!

noblegiraffe Mon 22-Jul-13 17:23:16

My three year old has imaginary friends, asked me if grandma and grandad were dead (no) and says he is scared of a mark on the radiator.

Kids come out with all sorts of weird crap, it's us that assign meaning to it.

Stuff and nonsense.

WorraLiberty Mon 22-Jul-13 17:53:33

See I don't know what the 'Saxon town' and 'lots of history' has to do with it OP?

Other than to make me think that you love a good 'ghost' story.

People die absolutely everywhere...every single day in many different places.

Perhaps she's going on about it because you're giving her attention?

SixPackWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 17:58:27

Well, I love a good ghost story.

I have told this story many times, but the first Xmas that DC1 was alive, I got up early (5 am) to do the turkey. DH was sleeping in. The only people in the house was me, DC1 and DH.

There was a funny smell in the house. All morning I was smelling it, and did not know what it was. When DH finally woke up at about 8 I asked him 'what is that smell?'

His reply- 'It is my mother's perfume.'

His Mother had died 10 years before.

misterioso Mon 22-Jul-13 18:03:07

I would believe her, or even if you don't want to believe people can see these things, do it for her.

Betternc4this Mon 22-Jul-13 18:09:13

My DD aged 2 at the time went along a row of photos on her great aunts sideboard naming most of the people still living and asking who the rest were as she went along. She had never been to the house before and no-one else had copies in the family.

She then came to a pic of my late uncle - died years before she was born and committed suicide so hardly spoken about per se , let alone to a two yr old.

She very casually said 'that's Mylateunclesname' and was corrected by my aunt telling her she must be mistaking him for a younger member of the family called after him.

'No' she retorted indignantly, that's 'Mylateunclesname' who lived here and you are sat in his chair !' whilst pointing at my aunt who was sat in the armchair where my late uncle always sat and would always eject my aunt out of it if ever she sat there grin

Betternc4this Mon 22-Jul-13 18:11:16

Just meant to add, on visiting some years later she had no clue who the man in the photo was.

misterioso Mon 22-Jul-13 18:22:27

My mum and dad died 5/6 years ago.
Last year my mil and fil were in dds room
dd was in bed and mil reading a bedtime story and fil listening.
Mil says she saw a mist all round the bed, she is quite sensitive to peoples moods etc.
Then dd said to mil, why is all the smoke in my room. Fil couldn't see it and both mil and fil came downstairs, mil as white as a ghost.
People have noticed a shadow mist over dds bed which moves across the room from her wardrobe.
DD is oblivious to this, apart from the mist incidence, we told her it was steam from the bathroom. but always sings to nanna and grandad, kisses a memory stone and says a prayer for them.

Doubtfuldaphne Mon 22-Jul-13 18:26:31

Haha! I have asked my dd if she knows anyone called tony but luckily not.
I mentioned it being a Saxon town etc and I have no idea why! Maybe to show its a creepy place. I tell myself I'm not a believer but the fact I wrote that shows I'm secretly a bit woo after all.

bbcessex Mon 22-Jul-13 18:36:33

When my son was 3 he used to sit chattering away to 'someone' in his room, who apparently was called Bertie.. Bertie apparently lived in our house when there was no bathroom and other eople lived do had lived downstairs that Bertie didn't know.

Our house was a biggish Victorian conversion and didn't have a bathroom.etc when it was built.. something that DS would of course never known. He was very happy to chat to Bertie tho!

8dayweek Mon 22-Jul-13 18:48:55

Have you considered taking her to have her eyes tested? In older people spots / marks etc in their line of sight can be a sign of cataracts or small heomorrages at the back of the eye, neither of which are completely unheard in children. If she's looking out at a pale blue sky it could highlight it more than if she were looking at a multi-coloured tv screen IYSWIM.
Or, is it possible she's perhaps staring towards the sun, which after a while is leaving red "shadow" in her line of sight, that appears to be on the window pane?
I don't want to worry you or anything like that I'm just trying to think of possible, logical answers.

LilacPeony Mon 22-Jul-13 18:53:05

My dd used to see Buddha...until we realised she was saying "Water" when she was thirsty. Are you sure she is saying "blood" and not something else?

dementedmumof6 Mon 22-Jul-13 19:00:52

When my 3 yr old was 2 she sat talking about the old lady at the window , smiling at her , we dismissed it as her imagination as we were 3 floors up, a few days later she was looking thru the photo album and pointed to her great granny (who is was named after) and said old lady at window. Her great granny died a year almost to the day before she was born.

bootsycollins Mon 22-Jul-13 19:07:12

I'm loving these stories

WinnieFosterTether Mon 22-Jul-13 19:40:29

I love the ghost story threads on MN grin but from a practical point of view,is she definitely pointing at the window?
Maybe there was a cut on her finger once and she's actually holding out her finger and remembering it? Or is she pointing to something else?
Once when ds was about your dd's age, we went to see elephants. Despite there being three elephants in the field beside us, all he focused on was the buttercups on the verge between us and the field. If you'd asked him what he was looking at, he'd have said 'flowers' and despite our best efforts to get him to 'see' the elephants, he just didn't. Maybe she's looking at something other than the window.

kali110 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:55:04

They do say children are more susceptible to spirits when were younger, and lot of us lose it when we get older. Its up to you what to believe. i believe in spirits, but i wouldnt automatically just jump to this conclusion, it would take a lit before i would.Maybe she can see something, or it could be something completely normal. She obviously does know what blood is, she may have seen it in a cartoon or seen something happen. Keep talking to her it may be something really simple. Maybe theres a spot on her window, maybe she needs her eyes tested or maybe she just has a really active imagination

HeavenlyYoni Mon 22-Jul-13 21:02:48

OP, get her eyes looked at. I had a burst vessel once and it looked like there was a red spot in my vision. Just a thought.

MaryBateman Mon 22-Jul-13 21:24:03

I used to see some weird shit at my GP's house when I was little. Some I have forgotten, such as my special friend who came to talk to me when I was in bed trying to get to sleep who wore the pretty green dress. My GM's sister died aged 12 in the room next door and she was buried in her favourite green dress. I have a photo of her and I bear a very strong resemblance to her.

But some I haven't forgotten such as the pretty lady who scared me a bit by trying to stick her head in the open fire in my GM's room where I had been put to bed. I can still see it now as if it was yesterday, so very clearly. That one bothered me for years until I saw BBC's Pride & Prejudice when Jane Bennett was sat in front of the fire drying her hair. That's what I saw exactly! My GGM and the girl in the pretty green dress both died within 12 hours of each other of TB in adjoining rooms. I rather like to think that I saw two people who my loved ones loved and don't really give a monkey's if anyone thinks I'm bonkers grin

5Foot5 Mon 22-Jul-13 22:01:38

What youthecat and 8dayweek said. Seriously.

MaryBateman Mon 22-Jul-13 22:45:23

Actually yes, you should take your DD for an eye test. A condition called Macular Degeneration or Charles Bonnet syndrome can cause people to see things that are not there and I understand that some 'visions' can be exceptionally realistic. It is rare in children but should be checked out.

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