AIBU to not give a monkeys about royal baby

(177 Posts)
glamourousgranny42 Mon 22-Jul-13 10:17:23

Thats it really. A wealthy woman who has married into a wealthy family who takes even more money from hard working people is having a baby. So fucking what! I cant understand why people cow tow to a group of people who are unelected and have no admirable qualities at all. Before you tell me how much money they bring in - imagine the increase in tourism if we could actually get into the properties that we own once we kick them out.

WorraLiberty Mon 22-Jul-13 10:18:42

Of course you're not BU...there's no law that says you have to give a monkeys.

Not sure why you've started a thread about something you really don't care about though?

MamaMary Mon 22-Jul-13 10:18:47

You don't give a monkey's yet you go to the trouble of starting a thread about it.... Yeah, whatever..

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Mon 22-Jul-13 10:19:11

What they said ^^

ditto

RoooneyMara Mon 22-Jul-13 10:20:25

So you don't give a monkeys but you're starting a thread all about it? I think you do give a monkeys. Just in a very negative kind of way.

I don't think I can cope with any more baby threads today...it's bringing everything out of the woodwork.

kim147 Mon 22-Jul-13 10:20:46

Had to turn off Radio 4 at 8.10 today. It was the lead item - what is there to report. They'll wait, hopefully it will all be ok and then an announcement will be made.

Then they have to do a photocall in a few days with the new baby.

It's all so sycophantic kow towing and nobody really questioning why we have this family to lord it over us.

<Waits for the word President Blair on this thread>

RoooneyMara Mon 22-Jul-13 10:20:49

Oh crossed posts. It took me a while to articulate that and I thought no one would agree with me.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:21:57

I don't give a toss either.

I might give MN a swerve until all the royal baby hysteria has died down.

I'm expecting at least 100 threads about it.

Fairenuff Mon 22-Jul-13 10:22:28

It's history in the making. If you have any interest in politics or current affairs, then you would probably be at least mildly interested in the arrival of the new monarch (if the monarchy lasts that long). Either way, it's newsworthy.

But then, you are mildly interested, because you started a thread about it.

kim147 Mon 22-Jul-13 10:22:31

I think if something starts to dominate the news agenda - but you don't see it as so important in the scheme of things - then yes, you can complain about all the sycophantic coverage it's getting in the media.

MamaMary Mon 22-Jul-13 10:22:50

You can visit royal properties by the way.

Burmobasher Mon 22-Jul-13 10:22:51

Wow an aggressive thread about a tiny baby you don't even care about

I feel exactly the same but didn't start a thread due to not wanting to talk about the royal baby which is what will happen here.

My view is I dont know Kate. Why would I care what stage in labour she is? I dont stand outside the maternity ward watching women go in then speculate with friends on the stages they may be grin

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 10:24:10

YANBU

to care or to start a thread about not caring as all i keep hearing on the radio is this is the news we have all been waiting for

well not me i care as much as i care for all other women who are having a baby that their labour is not complicated and they have a healthy baby

this baby is not more important than any other born today and i dislike that the royals are treated as though they are

cocolepew Mon 22-Jul-13 10:24:42

It's the media coverage that gets on my goat. It obviously is newsworthy but not the main item.

kim147 Mon 22-Jul-13 10:24:42

Perfectly good thread about the whole privilege, aristrocacy and kow towing bullshit that goes on in this country where who you are, who you marry, what school you went to, what titles you hold are far more important than what you actually do.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:25:08

Suddenly all of MN are ardent royalists.

The bloody jubilee on here nearly finished me off.

Bunbaker Mon 22-Jul-13 10:26:13

So you don't care and you don't have a massive chip on your shoulder about it either.

So what!

kim147 Mon 22-Jul-13 10:26:33

They're only modern day celebrities anyway - look at the interest from the USA.

RoooneyMara Mon 22-Jul-13 10:26:42

' I dont stand outside the maternity ward watching women go in then speculate with friends on the stages they may be'

Oh I do this at every opportunity! grin

I'm happy for her in a general sense, in that being heavily pregnant in this heat isn't much fun. But I only 'care' in the same way as I would if someone at work mentioned that a distant relative had gone into labour. Sort of 'Oh that's nice for her, she'll have been wishing it out for a while now' kind of thing.

But the reality is that this sprog will be the king/queen one day, unless we get rid of the lot of them, so it does matter in a political sense in a way that other babies don't, no matter how important they are to their family and friends.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:27:32

So we are allowed not to care.

We won't get sent to the tower.

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin Mon 22-Jul-13 10:28:04

I'm not much of a Royalist either, tbh.

So i was more surprised than anyone when i found myself glued to the TV during the royal wedding and crying - yes, crying! - when i saw Kate and William together.

So although i don't particularly care much about them, I am a bit excited about a little Royal baba.

It just feels like a nice fairytale that us grown ups can be part of.

A little prince or princess - awwwww. Come on, release your inner softy. You'll feel better. grin

usual I'm with you as usual. I just don't care. I dont care about the royal family and I dont care about their pregnancies.

I dont need to know all about it. "Oh I wonder what colour the royal mucus plug looks like' No she is just a pregnant woman. There are plenty of them around

Zynzong Mon 22-Jul-13 10:29:55

Well the jubilee bored me to tears, but I can sort of relate to this! A woman having her first baby! I had long brown hair and was 31 and pregnant with my first once upon a time! it's the shared experience thing. She's been in the public eye for over a decade now, and stupidly, I am interested confused Don't make me feel foolish for being interested!

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:30:00

I don't live in overpriveledged fairy tale land.

I'm a grumpy old cow.

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 10:30:22

Not too bothered but I know its a girl and it will have an awful name! A little bit of me is hoping she goes what I went through, she is a little smug, isn't she? (Running behind sofa now)wink

Zynzong Mon 22-Jul-13 10:30:34

(the similarities ended with the long brown hair, I was joking, before anybody thinks I believe I have so much in common with her)

Zynzong Mon 22-Jul-13 10:31:31

you are grumpy lately usualsuspect!!

ToysRLuv Mon 22-Jul-13 10:32:37

YANBU. That is all.

JessicaBeatriceFletcher Mon 22-Jul-13 10:32:53

I quite like the fact we have a Monarchy rather than a President. But that doesn't mean I have to be excited over something that millions of women have done since time began. I'm pleased for them, but it doesn't need the ridiculous amount of coverage that it gets - which, to an extent, plays into the hands of those who would like us to be a Republic.

And let's be honest - if and when this child becomes King or Queen, the likelihood is that the vast majority of us will already have died. If Queenie lives to be as old as her mum, and Charles lives as old as his mum, and Wills lives as old as his dad, this new one won't take to the throne until it's 60 anyway!

When Prince Harry gets naked I want to know, when their wives have babies I dont care. I have priorities straight!

LastTangoInDevonshire Mon 22-Jul-13 10:34:51

Then fuck off, OP, and do something you DO enjoy and leave us watchers in peace without your whinging and whining.

Alwaysbloodyhungry Mon 22-Jul-13 10:35:56

Ha ha now that's the kind of royal headlines i like too...Harry cavorting in Vegas and the like...babies don't really excite me royal or otherwise.

FayeKorgasm Mon 22-Jul-13 10:36:25

I'm no royalist, but I think wishing a bad labour on another woman is hideous.

FFS

JessicaBeatriceFletcher Mon 22-Jul-13 10:36:40

LastTango - I think that was uncalled for.

Always You get me right? grin

I do love Harry.

I dont see why the OP should fuck off for starting a thread saying she doesn't care. hmm

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:38:46

Maybe you could fuck off to a nice baby watching thread,LastTangoInDevonshire. And leave us to moan and whine in peace.

TheHandbagOfGlory Mon 22-Jul-13 10:39:00

Are you more interested in the fact that Peter Andre has just announced his girlfriend is pregnant?

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:40:15

No one's wishing her a bad labour.

Ffs back at ya

AuntieFlaubert Mon 22-Jul-13 10:40:21

'AIBU to start a conversation about something I don't want to talk about'?
Yes.

TallulahBetty Mon 22-Jul-13 10:40:35

No, YABU. You are entitled to feel however you feel about anything.

However, I am starting to get a bit sick of the bitchy, negative comments (on here, Facebook and twitter) about it. Some people DO care about the royal baby, and for us it's dull.and boring reading comment after comment of people who say they couldn't care less etc. So what if millions of other people are having babies too? They're not famous therefore it stands to reason that it won't be all over the papers/tv/online!

fairylightsinthespring Mon 22-Jul-13 10:40:42

of course YANBU not to care if you choose not to, but there are some very mean spirited and nasty comments being made, one from a FB friend about how she'll not have to worry about baby weight - why? Can she pay it to go away? Also that she'll not be up in the night - well, yes she will if she's BF. I agree the media circus is unfortunate but that isn't their fault and I'm sure they'd rather it wasn't there. This particular baby is important because we DO live in a monarchist country and they have changed a thousand year old law to allow this baby, whatever its sex, to inherit the throne. From an historical and constitutional point of view, that is massively significant. No, it won't change anything for the vast majority of us on a day to day basis, but that is true of lots of things, doesn't make them unimportant, just unimportant to you.

TallulahBetty Mon 22-Jul-13 10:41:16

YANBU* whoops

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Mon 22-Jul-13 10:41:45

Man, I laugh at people who come onto threads started by other people to say they 'don't care', but to actually go to the bother of starting one yourself to tell a load of faceless Internet randoms that you don't care...?! grin

Me thinks you doth protest too much, lady.

You love it. You know you do. You don't fool us. wink If you genuinely didn't care, you would find some other way to pass the time, rather than starting a thread expressly to talk about Kate Middleton and her baby.

Love it. smile

Mimishimi Mon 22-Jul-13 10:42:06

I couldn't care less either but I think YABU to feel so much ill-will towards the baby because of his or her family. Noone can help who they are born to, poor mite.

fluffyraggies Mon 22-Jul-13 10:42:12

I'm no royalist, but I think wishing a bad labour on another woman is hideous.

^^ this.

Glory I am as it means the end of the world needs to begin now and quickly grin

Nah dont care about people I dont know having babies I wont know.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 10:43:13

Look this thread is not pissing on anyone's chips on the 'we love Kate' threads.

so leave us alone grin

I'm not posting on those threads.

quesadilla Mon 22-Jul-13 10:43:19

YANBU but not sure why you would bother posting on something you don't care about. Like it or not its going to make headlines and people will care so just keep a dignified silence as there's nowt to be done about it.

Noone can help who they are born to, poor mite that's how I feel about PA's children grin

<fist bumps> Usual

I don't think it's on to tell people to fuck off just because they hold a different opinion to your own either, second thread that's happened on, for the same subject.
MN is going crazy.

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 10:44:18

Well, we all know it will go swimmingly, being as she is in the best hospital in the uk and nothing bad will happen unlike some poor women in labour today who may not get the same result, due to lack of midwives, doctors and facilities, with the NHS on its knees. (and take a deep breath, Melika!)

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 10:44:19

LastTangoInDevonshire do you not know what AIBU is about hmm

there are plenty of threads on here where those who like to feel involved with this family can get excited others want to question what is the need for us all to pretend it is that important to us

HeySoulSister Mon 22-Jul-13 10:44:42

First thread I saw when I logged on.... So she's in labour then?

The royal palaces would soon lose value and interest with no royal family!

aftermay Mon 22-Jul-13 10:44:48

I'm with you, OP. I saw a pathetic front page on some magazine of other about an imagined royal baby. How desperate is that?

I'm interested. It's the first bit of work this lazy article has ever had to do in her life so definitely worth tuning in for.

TheHandbagOfGlory Mon 22-Jul-13 10:47:05

But SP the father who loves his children the most in the entire world is having another baby, that's something to celebrate grin He would announce it today hmm

Tittypulumpcious Mon 22-Jul-13 10:47:50

Peter Andres gf is pregnant??! No! Although I am happily married I wouldn't say no to some Andre loving!

Here op crown grin

LastTangoInDevonshire Mon 22-Jul-13 10:49:58

I jumped in on this thread exactly the same way as 'royal haters' jump in on threads supporting them. I'm entitled to my opinion on whatever thread I join !

ZingWidge Mon 22-Jul-13 10:50:29

yes...no...hmm?

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 10:50:35

I thought Peter Andres GF has just qualified as a doctor, bad timing maybe. (Did watch his programme once by accident)

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 10:53:37

YANBU.

Wish Kate all the best and the baby health and happiness but I'm DREADING the months of (baby) blanket coverage that is to come.

Dress your baby like Royal Magic Baby
Buy the same pram as Royal Magic Baby
Give your kid the same name as Royal Magic Baby
Has Kate lost weight she put on with Royal Magic Baby
Hurrah Kate is still pretty even after having Royal Magic Baby
William really loves Royal Magic Baby
Harry is a doting uncle to Royal Magic Baby
Buy your commemorative Royal Magic Baby teapot

I'm with the OP, Kim and Usual.

Woman at full term goes into labour. Sources suggest baby may be either a boy or a girl.

Anyone who wants to gush about it, there are about 6000 threads for that already. Let us have one for whinging grin

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 10:55:34

WAIT! THE WORLD'S BEST DAD ™ HAS BLESSED ANOTHER WOMB WITH HIS ORANGE SPERM?

Now that is truly worth celebrating.

Squoosh Do you think the creepy pretend babies will have royal baby version?

Its not like I'm a royal hater, I simply just don't care.

Squoosh you missed

Look how quickly kate is thin again after having Royal Magic Baby

TheHandbagOfGlory Mon 22-Jul-13 10:58:04

Squoosh he has indeed, it's probably the size of a tangerine now, or a satsuma.

meddie Mon 22-Jul-13 10:58:21

Squoosh. Exactly. Im not overly interested in the baby. Hope delivery goes ok. But i am dreading the weeks and weeks of inane baby articles, pushing genuine news out of the headlines.

GobblersKnob Mon 22-Jul-13 10:58:23

The Andre is upduffed?

Wow, I bet he is going to really, really, REALLY, love his new kid, (while continuing to really love the ones he has obviously).

Op, you are free to give/not give a monkeys about anything you wish, so YANBU. Thanks for starting a thread about it, always good to have an insight into a fellow mntter's mind, on a slow news Monday, after all there is not much else happening today......

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 10:58:40

Oh yes, Grazia magazine will be on Kate's Weight Watch since two hours ago I'd say.

Doh, no you didnt! grin <facepalm>

"Follow the new grass and lemon pledge diet that helped kate lose her baby weight in 7 minutes"

There are like 50 million threads all about this woman pushing a baby out of her fanjo. I hope you all do this when KP has her child.

After all she is in the public eye and is also pregnant like KT

grin

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 11:03:05

It will be Princess Alice Helena Louise Elizabeth Victoria, just 6lb and be born at 2.42pm.

She will have an epidural and leave hospital tomorrow at noon.

There, happy now?

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 22-Jul-13 11:03:50

I was disgusted that my news app had "Kate going into labour" as a news flash.'Ffs, I believe there is actual news going on in the world.

If this thread is where we can come and roll our eyes at all the Royal Magic Baby bollocks, then it is serving a much needed purpose.

FWIW, I think it's a disgrace to still have a monarchy in this day and age. I cannot abide, that due to a mere accident of birth, I have to curtsey and not speak unless spoken to, to another human being.

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 11:04:38

YANBU.
My favourite text in to the BBC this morning was the one they read out which said something like
"Why didn't they steamclean the building [St Mary's]? That's where our future king is being born! It's a disgrace!"
Yes....right....hospitals closing all over, but we should spend taxpayer money on cleaning a private hospital so that it looks nice in the photos. Fuck off.

I hope Harry becomes the fun uncle and draws moustaches and shit on the baby and puts it in funny costumes.

That sort of stuff I dont mind seeing grin

Ahh one day I will be carrying the child of Harry and there had best be all this fuss!

LaRegina Mon 22-Jul-13 11:06:33

I'm really trying not to be a grumpy old cynic but every time I hear a gushing report on the news I can't help thinking grumpy thoughts - ie

"The Duchess travelled to hospital with William by her side"

Whoopee doo, where the fuck else is he expected to be?

"The Duchess is in hospital in the early stages of labour"

Not like the rest of us then, who would be expected to be on all fours at home, trying to cope on baby breathing and paracetamol alone because the hospital is too busy to admit us until we're about to drop...

"Advice for the first time parents is being sent in from well-wishers around the world"

Yes because they'll need to know how to cope with sleepless nights, a drop in income, changing nappies constantly... won't they hmm

YANBU OP smile

Sheshelob Mon 22-Jul-13 11:08:27

Royal Magic Baby!

gringrin

I'm another one who is decidedly unexcited by anything royal.

I did have to laugh when it was reported on the Today programme that Diana had an induction partly to fit William's birth into Charles' polo season schedule. One wouldn't want to miss a jolly good chukka, what.

Entitled wanker.

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 11:09:07

Exactly, LaRegina, hospital don't let you come in til you are about to pop, you'd get sent home if you were in the 'early stages of labour'.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 22-Jul-13 11:10:29

BENEFITS SCROUNGER IN PRIVATE HOSPITAL SHOCKER.

A 31 year old woman was taken to a private hospital in Central London to give birth to yet another burden on the state. The woman is part of the notorious Windsor clan, claimants of benefits running into the tens of millions of pounds...

Nicholas grin Just actually choked laughing!

grin love it!!

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 11:14:24

grin grin

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 11:16:20

Ooooh I didn't realise Peter Orangeade and his gf had an 18 year age gap!

Sorry Royal Magic Baby my attention is fully back on you now.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 22-Jul-13 11:16:23

The only interest I have is that my work had a competition on, where anyone that guesses the correct name gets £100 in vouchers for a store of your choosing smile

I've guessed Louis for a boy and Elizabeth for a girl. Come on! Let's get little Louis or Lizzie out!

Driving me crazy too. I mean bless her and all that, hope it all goes well.

BUT this week gay people were given the right to marry and it was so under reported and that's huge news.

LOVE Royal Magic Baby and shall use it henceforth. grin

Sheshelob Mon 22-Jul-13 11:19:41

She should be labouring in a stable, surely, what with the baby being so magic and all?

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Mon 22-Jul-13 11:21:03

I'm confused, who has wished her a bad labour? I don't see that. Or am I not reading properly?

ZingWidge Mon 22-Jul-13 11:21:56

crown

ToysRLuv Mon 22-Jul-13 11:22:18

Royal Magic Baby goggy gehaa. Magic fun with Kate and Babe goggy gehaa.

Fakebook Mon 22-Jul-13 11:28:26

You sound bitter about their money. Why?

I think it's lovely...but I get excited by all births.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 11:29:27

That's your opinion, not everyone has to like the royal family or care about it. On the other hand they also bring a lot of joy to the country and to billions of people around the world.

And yes you are right, they do bring an awful lot of money into the country through tourism and if you took that away there would be a huge gap. The royal family generate far more money into the country than they take out.

If you don't like it, don't watch or lisen to any of it. It's that simple.

Puds No one did, just people been over protective and imagining things about a person we dont personally know. Taking offence on their behalf it seems.

glamourousgranny42 Mon 22-Jul-13 11:30:44

Wow! That hit a nerve with some people. How dare I voice an opinion that suggests this baby is no more important than any other.
I think being told to fuck off is a bit strong! Get a grip! Some people have different views shock horror! Sorry for sullying your pretty princess love in.

Im heartened to see so many sensible mnetters who refuse to bow to money and entitlement.

Come the revolution and all that .........

apostropheuse Mon 22-Jul-13 11:36:45

OP YANBU

Of course I hope they have a happy and health baby - just as I would wish that for anyone who is having a child. All children are precious.

I certainly don't think the baby is anything more special than any other child in this world just because he or she happens to have a particular set of genes.

All this oh it's a royal baby nonsense just makes me want to vomit.

There will definitely be no tugging of forelocks here!

YonisAreForever Mon 22-Jul-13 11:36:46

I am excited for a number of reasons, I feel excitement when any baby is born, to me its still a very miraculous thing.

There is so much misery in the news, its lovely to have something wonderful and positive to be going round for a few days.

I feel so happy for William, after his personal circumstances in life and the awful tragedy he has been through which no amount of money could cushion him from, is about to have his own little family.

I feel sad because I know what its like to have a baby and your mother not to be alive to share the joy.

It was apparent with the odd details of the wedding, and the ring that William is still very much missing his mother, times like these really bring that loss into sharper focus, and I have no doubts he will be wet eyed as Carol holds the baby, and that void is there.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 11:37:12

i have yet to meet a tourist who has come purely for the royal family hmm

are we going to get a sudden influx of tourists because a royal baby has been born i doubt it

JessicaBeatriceFletcher Mon 22-Jul-13 11:37:40

peanut - you are spectacularly missing the point by saying "if you don't like it, don't watch or listen to any of it. It's that simple"

Because it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to avoid it. It is now going to be news saturation for days and days. You won't be able to switch on any news programme on TV or radio. You won't be able to open a newspaper. You only have to look at Daily Mail online to see the ridiculous overload already including stuff about what flipping star sign the baby is going to be.

Speaking as someone who doesn't want the Monarchy done away with, it's still far too much for what is something pretty unspectacular. As someone else said, this has had more attention today than the passing of the same-sex marriage bill received last week and I know which is the more important and newsworthy.

YonisAreForever Mon 22-Jul-13 11:37:53

Oh and by the way, If I ever met the Queen I would not bow or curtsey but simply be as respectful as I hope I am to anyone especially the older generation.

lljkk Mon 22-Jul-13 11:42:58

95% yanbu. I don't resent them, but I truly am only 5% above totally indifferent. The birth of said heir should occupy max. 5% of news coverage on the day it actually happens (only that day) and then move on.

Just hoping it goes quickly & smoothly. Not least because I don't bear KM any ill will, but also badly want to avoid dozens of extra stories about every aspect of her difficult confinement, argh.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 22-Jul-13 11:47:46

It's not had a mention on RT, hopefully it'll stay that way. Though Max Keiser is bound to reference it somehow hmm grin probably along the same lines I did.

usuallyright Mon 22-Jul-13 11:50:26

YABU. The Royal family are amazing, especially our incredible Queen. And whatever you or any other monarchy basher says, they'll be around for a very long time because every single popularity poll shows that over three quarters of UK residents support them.

onetiredmummy Mon 22-Jul-13 11:53:08

Loving royal magic baby!!

Personally I don't much care what comes out of the royal undercarriage either.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 11:53:09

Of course they bring in millions of tourism - the Chinese and Americans especially love all that stuff!

Jessica - you are moaning about it all but here you are on a thread about... the royal babyhmm There are hundreds of threads on MN that aren't about the baby yet you chose this oneconfused

A baby who will one day be the King or Queen of this country is pretty big news - especially if it's a girl who will be the first girl in history to be next in line whether she has a brother or not.

Wallison Mon 22-Jul-13 11:56:43

Arf @ royal undercarriage and Magic Royal Baby.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 12:01:47

what the Chinese and Americans (not all are big fans of the royals some are indifferent) would stop coming here if we became a republic of course not

this country has so much to ooffer tourists the royals are just part of our tourist culture for some

i am sure if Harrods and Selfridges closed down it would have a bigger impact on tourisim

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 12:02:25

Well.....it is sad that his Mom is not alive but my nieces lost their Dad (through violence) when 2years and 3 months old and have lived in virtual poverty with extended family filling all the gaps as best as we could. Now their Mom (my sister)aged 56 has cancer and has had her op cancelled now awaiting another date.

Worse things can happen, and it has.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:06:08

It is probably worth doing some research on how much the revenue the royals bring in. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean anyone can deny what they do for this country - the queen in particular.

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 12:06:39

Arf!
I think in fact you will find that there are a great many Americans, Chinese, Irish, Indians, French...fill in the blank... who feel very, very strongly indeed that the monarchy system is repulsive and corrupt, and that the British monarchy in particular is rather vile.

ToysRLuv Mon 22-Jul-13 12:11:06

I think some of us are just born/raised to be willing subjects, and some of us aren't.

freddiefrog Mon 22-Jul-13 12:11:24

It's not so much that I'm not interested, but fed up with all the fuss and speculation.

The baby hasn't been born yet, we don't know the sex, the name, etc.

There's nothing to be interested in yet, other than woman goes into labour. I don't need to know that, tell me when the deed is done.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:13:30

And who said every American and Chinese person ever born loves the royal family? I can be said that alot of Americans and Chinese people love all that stuff with the assumption that every person loves them. Way to twist words to suit your argument eh.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 12:15:02

i have peanut and it is always conflicting

i used to work in harrods of course some tourists would hope to see diana walking around (she was and they missed her) but it was not the only reason they were there

and have you been up oxford street recently it is always full of chinese tourists many love the shopping here along with our historical buildings, galleries, theatre and our diverse culture

Fakebook Mon 22-Jul-13 12:16:46
PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:16:56

Freddie - which is why they announced she was in early labour and said they will not give anymore news until the baby is born. It's not like they are tweeting every twinge and contraction is it!

There will be fuss and speculation because there always is when something big happens.

The monarchy brings in tourists? Just have a little look at the visiting figures for say Hampton Court (just over half a million) compared to the Palace at Versailles (6m)...

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 12:17:55

The Romanovs are still a big tourist draw.

Wallison Mon 22-Jul-13 12:18:05

Tbh I have a lot of respect for old Queenie - I think she does mostly a good job and a lot of what she does is pretty boring. I wouldn't like her life, even with all the money that goes with it.

The rest of them are a different matter though. Will the monarchy still be as popular once Tampax Charlie gets on the throne? I don't think so somehow.

Regardless this endless knicker-wetting about the MRB is already starting to grate because it makes the press look infantile.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 12:18:50

Tourists would still visit the UK if the Royal family were kicked out.

Fakebook Mon 22-Jul-13 12:18:57
cheerfulweather Mon 22-Jul-13 12:19:33

As I said on the other, similar, thread. I care as far as I hope they have a healthy baby and safe delivery, but I'd wish the same for any baby being born.

I've hidden all the threads discussing the pregnancy/name/birth/baby. I'm just not interested in the current royal family, no place for them in this day and age.

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 12:21:05

Its not twisting words, peanut, as no one is claiming you said "every" or distorting your statement.

I see exactly what you said, and am offering a contrary view. If you are saying that some foreign tourists love the monarchy, yes, that's probably true. And some hate and detest it.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:21:13

I can go to Paris to see the eiffel tower yet still go round the shops/museams/places of interest. Just because they come to see the palace and other royal places doesn't mean they will do only that and not go round the shops or visit other places. The Royal interest plays a big part in what alot of tourists come to see in London.

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 12:24:53

peanut, do you have evidence for these claims, or is it your opinion? The latter is fine, but I think you are on dangerous ground with your assumptions about tourist motivations and foreign views. I'm not sure that disinterested (ie, not managed by tour operators, etc) surveys of tourist interests would back up what you are saying...

I'm also not sure that pleasing tourists is a great basis for governing a country, but that's another question...

I wouldn't recognise the queen out and about

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:25:37

It was because i am well aware not every American and Chinese loves them, there are an awful lot of American and Chinese people in the world and even if you said half loved them and half hated them - that is still alot of people who love it with a percentage who will come here as a tourist and the royal family are a big part of the reason. Some don't just come to see that, but it plays a big part in it and generates lots of revenue.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 22-Jul-13 12:27:52

so do you really think people will stop coming in their millions every year if we become a republic no

they will then be part of our history which is of interest to many

i never said they are not of interest just i do not believe people come here because we have a royal family apart from a few mainly americans (who are not the biggest spenders) who come here to be part of the royal weddings. tourists come here for a number of reasons as they also go to paris or barcelona

ToysRLuv Mon 22-Jul-13 12:27:55

They don't actually get to see the royals, though, do they, Peanut. It's just selected bits of the palaces they can see, anyway - until we become a republic and it can all be opened up to the public. As a tourist, I would pay more to see the queen's loo and telly room than I would a secondary ball room, hardly used. Now think about the tourist money THEN!

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:28:26

Try researching it brdgrl. It is known that people who do not like the royal family will always say they don't bring anything into the country to support their view.

MiaowTheCat Mon 22-Jul-13 12:29:46

You missed a few out in the Magic Royal Baby story lists.

"Why I hope Kate is breastfeeding" by nonentity columnist no one's heard of
"Why I hope Kate isn't breastfeeding" by similarly nonentity columnist no one's heard of
"Drippy pile of nostalgic crap advice dating from the 1950s loosely latched onto the royal birth" by older nonentity columnist no one's heard of
"The perils of having a ginger royal baby associating with a child called Chardonnay, diary planning for future playdates and I hope Kate is back off maternity leave by 10pm tomorrow night" by Katie What'sherface From The Apprentice
"What the best royal midwives are wearing" by Liz Jones

Must admit I`m dreading days and days of Royal baby all over the news and papers, I cant understand why they announced that she was in Labour this morning.

I have a passing interest in the names (just for history interest) but thats a far as it goes. Its all a bit of a circus, and a bit outdated now (having such a large Royal Family).

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 12:38:29

Imagine if the baby turns out to be just like it's Great Uncle Andrew.

Quenelle Mon 22-Jul-13 12:38:48

I am so uninterested that I haven't even read this thread.

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 12:47:17

Try researching it brdgrl. It is known that people who do not like the royal family will always say they don't bring anything into the country to support their view.

I am happy to research topics before I make declarative statements.

PeanutButterMmm Mon 22-Jul-13 12:55:52

I have researched it which is why i am saying itcrown

I don't care if people hate the royal family, i am not a fanatic either, but it is quite niave to deny they bring anything to this country. I don't think i will waste my time trying to convince people who don't want to open their eyessmile

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 12:55:54

Omg there's a crown smiley.

<searches wild eyed for another place to go on the internet>

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:01:28

What I mean is that the claims that the monarchy bring in vast sums of money thru tourism, and these offset their costs TO the system, are the sort of claims which need to be closely examined, not just repeated as fact to support the opinion that the monarchy is a great thing. Who is asking the questions, what questions are they asking, how are they determining that the income generated would not have happened otherwise, that sort of thing! An interest in royal history doesn't necessarily equate to support for the monarchy, either...France is a good example, someone mentioned Versailles...

You are right that I haven't examined the statistics, and frankly, I probably won't. Which is why I am not saying that the claims are flat out wrong. I just think they are questionable and open to distortion (not unlike the recent claims about how much the Olympics generated...) and there are other factors which need to be considered - like the potential LOSS to tourism by those who don't like the monarchy (has this ever been looked at, I wonder?).

But mostly, I think it doesn't really matter. The UK should not have a monarch because that nets the most income - that seems like a really bad basis on which to decide upon the best form of government.

Echocave Mon 22-Jul-13 13:02:24

This thread has got some gems in it (Crown jewels!grin) particularly Squoosh and NicholasTeacozy.
Must admit I'm only interested in passing but also find wall to wall coverage a bit much.
In my grumpier moments, I do think 'oh go away' about most of the Royal Family but that's because they feel a bit thrust upon us through the media. Imagine being a Royal 'correspondent' - surely the least desirable job in broadcasting?!!

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:02:39

But since you have researched it, could you point me to where I can see the figures, maybe that would 'open my eyes' as you say?

brdgrl Mon 22-Jul-13 13:03:47

I wouldn't mind the coverage as much if it weren't so insistent on the claim that we all care so much! The entire world is apparently waiting with baited breath....really...

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 13:07:26

Shiney Dave,just said we are all waiting.

<curses DP for putting the bloody news on>

twistyfeet Mon 22-Jul-13 13:08:48

oh goody, a thread for me. I wonder what evilness will be slipped in while all the sheeple are glued to baby news.
And if they get in my fucking way when I need to get down Praed street in a hurry on thursday I will be very miffed.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Jul-13 13:10:30

According to the news,there is no news.

Wallison Mon 22-Jul-13 13:15:37

^^I wonder what evilness will be slipped in while all the sheeple are glued to baby news.

Cameron could bugger Osborne atop the fourth plinth on Trafalgar Square while singing "Anarchy in the UK" and no-one would bat an eyelid, not with wall to wall coverage of Jennie Bond frotting herself senseless about the state of Kate's cervix.

melika Mon 22-Jul-13 13:19:39

Just heard.....its a baby!

Got ya!

twistyfeet Mon 22-Jul-13 13:20:23

'Cameron could bugger Osborne atop the fourth plinth on Trafalgar Square while singing "Anarchy in the UK" and no-one would bat an eyelid, not with wall to wall coverage of Jennie Bond frotting herself senseless about the state of Kate's cervix.'

I would actually stop rolling a fag to watch that grin

Vickibee Mon 22-Jul-13 13:24:14

The queen does do a good job but the question is should the job exist in the first place. getting a job simply because of who your parents are is not really modern thinking is it?
perhaps we should be like the French and have a republic?

MrsPeeWee Mon 22-Jul-13 13:25:35

You don't have to give a toss, but I do. I think its very exciting and a new part of our forever history is about to be born!

Saying that, I am a huge history geek! Love the royals. thanks thanks

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 13:26:18

'Cameron could bugger Osborne atop the fourth plinth on Trafalgar Square while singing "Anarchy in the UK" and no-one would bat an eyelid, not with wall to wall coverage of Jennie Bond frotting herself senseless about the state of Kate's cervix.'

I'd wave a union jack at that!

MiaowTheCat Mon 22-Jul-13 13:29:43

*'Cameron could bugger Osborne atop the fourth plinth on Trafalgar Square while singing "Anarchy in the UK" and no-one would bat an eyelid, not with wall to wall coverage of Jennie Bond frotting herself senseless about the state of Kate's cervix.'

I'd wave a union jack at that!*

Stick Boris back up the zip wire from the Olympics and he'd do the Union Jack waving FOR you.

gordyslovesheep Mon 22-Jul-13 13:34:32

Yanbu I thought the royals where modernising so where is the webcam or the royal cervix dilation app?

Not everyone cares that much ...and tourist info surveys repeatedly show the royals aren't the reason people come here

flowersinavase Mon 22-Jul-13 13:35:50

YANBU - totally fed up of the hysteria. It'll be a baby. It'll be massively over-privileged. Kate will be some sort of hero for giving birth hmm

How about focusing on the other women in labour at this point: at the understaffed wards they'll be giving birth in; at how they'll be left to cope with their newborns whilst still bleeding / unable to walk (when the dads are kicked out); how they won't have adequate postpartum support; at how some of their babies will go to school hungry or suffer from malnutrition (as recent threads about school dinners have shown)???

How about focusing on something important??

Sallyingforth Mon 22-Jul-13 13:38:46

Well at least the other women will get a free Hayley Westenra CD if they give birth on the same day!

Nothing more important than the magical royal baby ready to exit the married to royal womb.

squoosh Mon 22-Jul-13 13:43:14

Will a trumpet play as Royal Magic Baby marches out of the womb?

aftermay Mon 22-Jul-13 13:45:09

Oh God, that fourth plint will never be the same again.

No, Boris will zip down and pull the baby out and lift it above his head Lion King Style

aftermay Mon 22-Jul-13 13:46:01

Fourth plinth

sounds like its said with buck teeth

dingit Mon 22-Jul-13 13:50:40

I'm not a royalist, but William deserves the happiness of a family of his own after losing his mum so young. So I can't help feeling a bit excited for them!

Pigsmummy Mon 22-Jul-13 13:54:06

I am wondering what major news stories will be hidden due to the pages and pages of news stories about the royal baby. The Olympics managed to hide news of a pharmaceutical company being fined millions for bridery and corruption, had the Olympics not happened that would have been a global news shocker.

Pawprint Mon 22-Jul-13 14:04:31

Bored stiff with it all, especially all the fawning in the media.

I'm sure William and K are very nice, but dear God they are dull.

MiaowTheCat Mon 22-Jul-13 14:05:43

No, Boris will zip down and pull the baby out and lift it above his head Lion King Style

Oh fucking hell I have that image in my head now.

Brain bleach please asap!

HRHwheezing Mon 22-Jul-13 14:10:02

Don't particularly care about them but it's a baby!
I get excited about babies being born and how lovely it is for them as a couple

Pigsmummy It'll be a good day to bury bad news...

ZingWidge Mon 22-Jul-13 14:51:56

baby's not crowning yet....

josephinebruce Mon 22-Jul-13 15:03:07

I love this thread. I am a republican and proud of it (God bless the Guardian!) and, with all the sugar and sycophancy going around at the moment, it is nice to be in the (virtual) company of people who actually dare to think differently!

One day this country will open its eyes and work out what that bunch of scroungers actually cost US.

Until then, I reserve the right to bitch as much as I like :-)

Or John Terry will turn up as the baby comes up and lift it like he has been there the whole time grin

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 22-Jul-13 15:04:54

Here Here! Down with the monarchy!!!

(Good luck to anyone about to have a baby though grin )

WorraLiberty Mon 22-Jul-13 15:43:33

SP!!!! grin

apostropheuse Mon 22-Jul-13 19:06:16

BBC News said earlier that the whole world was waiting for news of the royal baby.

It must be true if the BBC said it.

Who knew?

Vickibee Wed 24-Jul-13 17:52:46

105 million has just been spent from public £ to tart up their apartment when people are paying bedroom tax out of 70 quid a week? how is that fair?

Vickibee Wed 24-Jul-13 17:53:10

should say 1.5 mil

Sallyingforth Wed 24-Jul-13 21:52:58

smile
What's 103.5 millions between loyal subjects?

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