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To think awarding medals/prizes for 100% attendance is really rewarding good antibodies, strong constitutions and a bit of luck.

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Sleep404 Fri 19-Jul-13 22:09:23

I just don't get this policy. It doesn't encourage or insentivise kids and likely makes them either have a dont care attitude or upsets them as they lose out through no fault of their own.

Who's the target?
Kids who play truant arent going to suddenly show up because of an award/prize on the last day of term, so it can't be them.
Mums and Dads who take their kids out of school for special trips or holidays will likely see the benefits of the holiday, be it financial or educational, as more important than the reward.
So that leaves the kids who make every effort to attend every day, but through no fault of their own, they get sick and miss a few days. Why punish them further by implying they have done something wrong.

I find this utterly baffling.

LiveItUp Fri 19-Jul-13 22:12:03

I'm with you, can't agree with it either.

This year my DCs have had chicken pox, and D&V, both caught from school, both requiring them to have time off. Not their fault and I'd be upset if they lost out on an award for that.

Fortunately we don't have such a ridiculous thing. Can't think why anyone does confused

wickeddevil Fri 19-Jul-13 22:16:00

And don't forget the lovely children who have 100% attendance, because they went to school with their cold/bug/virus and gave it to everyone else....

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Fri 19-Jul-13 22:16:55

Our new head has just banned it for the very same reason.

YANBU. DS has ongoing medical issues which means he has hospital appts every few months. The last time he got really upset and didn't want to go because he never gets the 100% attendance award. Its not his fault, or our fault, that he has to take time off. It does seem ridiculous to be rewarded for being lucky with health.

Meglet Fri 19-Jul-13 22:24:55

Yanbu.

Hulababy Fri 19-Jul-13 22:28:11

YANBU

Especially at primary school they are a nonsense award tbh.
Even if it isn't illness, at primary level, it isn't as if the child has any real influence in whether they go to school or not.

And I don;t like that it encourages parents to bring children to school when they are ill. When they do they spread their germs - then I get ill too!

Latara Fri 19-Jul-13 22:31:06

YANBU.

SirChenjin Fri 19-Jul-13 22:33:55

YANBU - I really don't get this either.

Mintyy Fri 19-Jul-13 22:36:36

Yanbu.

There have been many threads about this on Mumsnet over the years and yaDnbu.

ElizabethHornswoggle Fri 19-Jul-13 23:01:24

YABU. Why shouldn't the kids who DO turn up every single day get rewarded? They're there day in, day out throughout the year, When there's others in the class taking time out for holidays (not generalizing, just saying like it is in our class) why shouldn't those who turn up every day without fail get noticed?
They're there rain or shine. Just because someone else isn't doesn't mean they should miss out.

Mintyy Fri 19-Jul-13 23:03:38

Think you have missed what is being said on this thread Elizabeth.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Fri 19-Jul-13 23:03:47

I don't like it either. Especially when the dds have to take two extra days off at the schools request if they've been remotely ill.

AnnaFender Fri 19-Jul-13 23:06:31

YANBU!

I think these awards are so pointless, and agree with whoever said especially at primary age where the child has basically no influence over whether or not they are at school. The whole thing baffles me!

And I say this as the parent of a year 1 child who has had no days off in her two years at school so far. And receives this award every term!

I think there should be an award for children who attend every day that they are well enough, so no reward if they take time off for trips/ holidays, but sickness, hospital appointments are exempt. Or just scrap them altogether. YANBU

FeckOffCup Fri 19-Jul-13 23:09:59

YANBU I still remember being miffed because my brother got a book token and I didn't when I had been off for a hospital appointment through no fault of my own. Pointless award, I agree that the parents who take their kids out in term time won't care about it and the rest is just random chance as to whether you get ill or not.

selsigfach Fri 19-Jul-13 23:10:38

While you might not like it, and I do appreciate the reasons given above, once you graduate to the big world of work, you get penalised and drawn into disciplinaries for taking time off. It's good to instil in children the idea that unless you're really bloody sick, you drag your arse out of bed and go to school, whether you want to or not.

GinAndaDashOfLime Fri 19-Jul-13 23:16:53

Exactly what selsigfach said. Too many kids take a day off for very minor ailments. When they go to the real world of work they'd eventually get disciplined for that attitude. Sad, but true.

queenebay Fri 19-Jul-13 23:22:20

My friends dd has cystic fibrosis so she can't drag her arse into school when she is hospitalised for 2 weeks at a time.she will never get 100% attendance awards.

Sleep404 Fri 19-Jul-13 23:26:04

Gin, I don't agree with this. Most parents would want their children to go to school so they don't have to miss work themselves or entertain them if they are only mildly sick.
My dd had days off for vomiting and diarrhoea. Not contagious as we knew the cause but school policy meant she was off for 48hrs each time. Not much I could do about it.

Sleep404 Fri 19-Jul-13 23:33:56

This idea that we are a nation of sickie pullers is a media creation IMO. Some folk pull sickies but the vast majority of us only take sick days when we really need them.
I hate that folk come to work with flu or V&D which they spread to everyone else because they never have a sick day.

MaryBateman Fri 19-Jul-13 23:54:02

What Sleep says. As a manager it is very difficult dealing with staff who are clearly too ill to be at work but drag themselves in under the mistaken impression that they will be penalised for taking sick leave. Not by me for sure. Ill staff shouldn't be at work. Firstly cos they are ill and secondly cos they're ill. No brainer for any manager worth their salt.

Any member of staff of mine who pressurised someone off sick to return too early would feel my wrath. And would have to explain their actions in very, very minute details.....

selsigfach Sat 20-Jul-13 00:03:06

I would categorise 2 weeks in hospital as being genuinely ill, queenebay - and would meet my scientific, medical classification of being "really bloody sick" grin)

selsigfach Sat 20-Jul-13 00:12:10

Wish my boss is as nice as Mary - when I had 2 Weeks' bed rest, under doctor's orders, following surgery, I was asked if I wanted to take it out of annual leave! And that's in the public sector!

simpson Sat 20-Jul-13 00:19:59

I agree these awards are silly...

My DC have good attendance records and DS (7) mentioned today that he cannot wait to get his silver award for attendance on Tuesday <<sigh>>

Kids love going up on stage and getting certificates but I just wish it wasn't for attendance.

DS also commented today that kids who are in school for 5 days (ie the whole week) and are not late in that time get to choose a prize (pencil sharpener, rubber etc) but he said that its not fair as he is always on time and in school (bar 3 sick days this year) and he does not get a prize anymore as its obviously aimed at kids who are not at school as much (or who are always late) as an incentive iyswim.

VeryDullNameChange Sat 20-Jul-13 00:28:14

I do see that this isn't fair to children with ongoing health issues, but I don't agree that it's completely pointless. My DD had the disastrous combination of a chronic non-serious unprovable health condition and a tendency to malinger, and the attendance awards have improved her attitude noticeably. And a KS2 pupil can influence their attendance, either by getting themselves to school on their own (sad but necessary in some cases) or, less drastically, by being cooperative. If a parent is struggling for whatever reason then the difference between a child who is digging their heels in and fighting every inch out of the door or a child who is up, dressed, made themselves some cereal and is saying "I'm ready Mum" can be the difference between a 95% attendance and 75%.

I do think that these threads polarise parents into the ones who are doing absolutely everything possible, and the ones who are completely feckless and don't care, neither of whom can be incentivised to change their behaviour in anyway. But actually there are a large number in the middle ground who do sort-of care but are a bit crap, and for whom carrots and sticks will work.

Whether the advantage you gain is worth the disadvantage of "punishing" sick children or incentivising parents to break quarantine is a serious question, but I think there are real advantages.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Jul-13 09:09:42

Perhaps the award shouldn't be for attendance in that case VeryDull, but behaviour or attitude to school or something along those lines?

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 09:17:37

Awards in school are given for many things. Maybe the award for 100% attendance is the only one a child is likely to get? They might not be academic high flyers, might not be on a sports team, but they love coming to school and have been here everyday! Why not reward that? It's a shame if you are ill, of course, but you might get a chance to win another prize, I doubt these are the only awards a school ever gives.

emanjay Sat 20-Jul-13 09:32:40

Ds has regular appointments and these clinics are held in school hours. He didn't ask for his condition and it is unfair he is automatically excluded from this reward through no fault of his own. Appointments aside he does have 100% attendance, but will never get the recognition. I have written to our school Head about this because he was insisting he had not missed a day of school and couldn't understand why he was left out

jamdonut Sat 20-Jul-13 09:34:51

100 % attendance is rewarded at our school,(at the end of the school year with a trip to a local play area,where they also get a meal) because it IS an achievement.

Also, improved attendance is rewarded.

It is basically like doing the lottery. It could be your child that manages to achieve it.

But the children are made aware that it is not their fault if they are sick and can't come in, and maybe they will be lucky enough to achieve the award the following year.

We also celebrate attendance each week,(with a cup for the class to display for the week),with the children very eager to know who has won.

There are also rewards for children whose behaviour has been impeccable all year. Would you say it is unfair, if your child has misbehaved during the year, that they don't get rewarded?

missmargot Sat 20-Jul-13 09:43:05

YANBU. I used to work for a company that incentivised 100% attendance (holidays aside) and you had a holiday prize draw entry for every year of perfect attendance you had, so 4 years perfect attendance = 4 prize draw entries. As soon as you had a day off sick your score went back down to zero. The result was a group of people who refused to ever take a day off sick no matter how ill or how contagious and used to spread their germs around the office for the rest of us to enjoy.

OneUp Sat 20-Jul-13 09:51:21

We had 100% attendance awards in Secondary but I could never get one because I had braces and my parents couldn't afford to pay for private treatment which meant I always got the appointments private patients didn't want. If the school had made it so appointments didn't count I would have been more likely to have gone in straight from the orthodontists but since they didn't most people had a half day off.

OneUp Sat 20-Jul-13 09:51:35

Forgot to say YANBU!

CloudsAndTrees Sat 20-Jul-13 09:52:03

I think 100% attendance is too high to aim for, but I don't have a problem with them awarding 96% attendance, which is our schools target. They can have bronze, silver and good awards for different levels of attendance, which should make it achievable for the majority of pupils as long as they aren't suffering with a serious condition (which could allow their effort to be recognised separately) or their parents don't take them on holiday.

I don't think there's anything wrong with sending the message that attendance is important through giving certificates in assembly or something, but I think it goes too far when children who have got high attendance are rewarded with a special treat. That's just not fair on young children who have very little control over whether they go to school or not, and it just teaches them that life is unfair.

Taking children out on a special trip or doing a special activity might be ok if every child is given a chance to achieve it somehow through different things, but then that would defeat the point of it in the first place.

HoratiaNelson Sat 20-Jul-13 09:53:09

YABU if you ban attendance awtherein the basis that there will be people who can't get it because they're not lucky enough to be able to meet the requirements of getting that award and apply that logic to awards of all types...you end up with no awards for anything...

sheridand Sat 20-Jul-13 09:59:31

DD has 99.5 % attendence, she had an afternoon off for a dental appointment, and she didn't get a prize! Luckily, she is tough as old boots and said she preferred the prize she got for being good at the dentists anyway! DS never gets one, he is asthmatic. :-(

WeAreEternal Sat 20-Jul-13 10:05:18

DS is 6.

At his school all of the 100% attendees received a 'free family summer swim pass' which means the whole family (two adults and up to three DCs) can have as many free swimming sessions at the local leasure centre as often as they like for the whole summer break.
They also received a certificate a badge and their name and picture in the online news letter.

DS would have had 100% attendance if it wasn't for the four days he had to take off when a girl in his class came to school with a stomach bug, she vomited in the classroom three days in a row but her parents still returned her to school the next day. 12 of the children in DS's class then became ill within a few days.

This girl is one of the students who has received the 'prize' and award for 100% attendance.

It's a completely ridiculous system.

ChunkyPickle Sat 20-Jul-13 10:16:07

Agree - the kids who are persistent offenders couldn't care less about it, and those who miss a couple of days because they are sick are penalized through no fault of their own.

May as well flip a coin for an award. I know that I will not be putting any pressure on DS to achieve any of the awards with such an arbitrary basis. Awards should be for something the child has a fighting chance of controlling.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Jul-13 10:34:47

I would much rather children were awarded for attitude to school rather than attendance at school. Those children who might never win another award other than attendance can still be rewarded with a good attitude award, and those who are ill or who have a chronic condition that would mean they will never achieve 100% attendance can still achieve recognition for having a good attitude to school and learning. Imo attitude rather than attendance is far more important.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 10:39:35

SirChenjin But the government set attendance targets for schools to meet, not attitude targets...

VeryDullNameChange Sat 20-Jul-13 10:47:18

Chunky that's exactly what I mean by polarising attitude. There is a vast middle ground between "couldn't care less" and "no fault of their own" and that less than perfect area is where most people fall from time to time.

wfrances Sat 20-Jul-13 11:12:51

i have 4 dc and 3 of them hover between 96%/98% attendance
only reason for days off is sickness
ds 1 has just been rewarded at the welsh assembly for 100% attendance through out the whole of the secondry school,with 6 other pupils.
he is now sending off cvs and has interviews and that certificate from the WA is counting for a lot,
but he is never ill ,unlike my other 3 so im in both camps
its unfair for those who are ill,
but its a great plus for future employment

tethersend Sat 20-Jul-13 11:34:04

"While you might not like it, and I do appreciate the reasons given above, once you graduate to the big world of work, you get penalised and drawn into disciplinaries for taking time off. It's good to instil in children the idea that unless you're really bloody sick, you drag your arse out of bed and go to school, whether you want to or not."

So why don't schools reward children for parental earnings? This has a much bigger impact on educational outcomes, and it would be good to instil in children that a decent salary is essential in the world of work. The children could put pressure on their parents to earn more. The school could present every child whose household income exceeded say, £40,000 pa with an achievement award.

intheshed Sat 20-Jul-13 11:38:48

At DD's school, they get a raffle ticket for every full week that they are in school, and then there is a raffle at the end of each term and the 5 winners get taken on a trip somewhere. I think it's good as the kids with higher attendance still get a better chance of winning, but it still motivates kids even if they have had a few days off one week. And even if you have a full week off due to illness you only lose one raffle ticket.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 11:41:18

thethersend hmm biscuit

tethersend Sat 20-Jul-13 11:45:26

Why the face and the biscuit, owlina?

I am simply trying to highlight the absurdity of rewarding children for something they have no control over.

MidniteScribbler Sat 20-Jul-13 11:45:26

YANBU, and I would be screaming loudly if they ever tried to implement this at my school. If your child is sick, KEEP THEM HOME! I don't want them in my classroom, infecting everyone else and leading to more children having to take days off, or even worse, me, which then affects the learning of every other child in the classroom. Just for a freaking certificate.

Silverfoxballs Sat 20-Jul-13 11:48:24

DS school have a system, each child receives a raffle ticket when they do positive stuff. Could be helping at an event, good behaviour, good marks in a test, making progress, getting on a sports team, doing community work.

The form classes put the dc tickets in a hat, the better behaved you have been the more chances you have of getting the prize which was lunch out with teachers at a restaurant. DS won a place as did his friend. Okay there is an element of luck but I quite like that idea.

DS didn't have 100% attendance due to catching bug off a child who puked on the next desk and his grandfather dying. I disapprove of the attendance certificates especially as my own DS reasons for missing school were so bloody miserable.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 11:50:11

But if children want to come to school they are going to attend more often than if they don't. If they are vomiting everywhere they can't come, but if its just a bit of a headache they can come along and try, they might feel better after a bit. That's the attitude that attendance awards, in whatever form, are trying to encourage. And that is important in the real world. We have all worked with someone who is off at the first sneeze, and most of us find that irritating if we have to pick up the slack.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 11:52:29

And 100% attendance is an achievement, precisely because so few children manage it. If a school offers other incentives to attend too, then i don't see a problem with this as an extra 'wow' award.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Jul-13 12:04:44

I know that's what the Govt sets - but there is nothing to say that schools are obliged to reward attendance. They can choose to reward other things which are far more meaningful, such as attitude to learning.

I'm struggling to understand why you felt the need for the hmm and biscuit too.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 12:10:53

You can reward both tho surely?

thefuturesnotourstosee Sat 20-Jul-13 12:12:37

YANBU. DD got the award last year and I told her it was good she'd managed to go to school but really it was an award for not being ill and if her friend didn't get it it wasn't her fault but because she had chicken pox earlier in the year. I also warned she may not get it this year.

No surprise she didn't. A bout of diarrhea and vomiting put paid to her certificate this year. Its a silly award really

tethersend Sat 20-Jul-13 12:16:26

"But if children want to come to school they are going to attend more often than if they don't"

That's a flawed premise on which to base an argument. Most (primary aged) children want to come to school. Even those with disabilities or medical conditions which necessitate frequent medical appointments during term time. Even those who get chicken pox. Even those whose parents are too drunk from the night before to take them to school.

No matter how much they want to come into school, they can't. They don't make that decision. Their parents do. Why not reward them instead?

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 12:23:16

Yes, but when do you start encouraging attendance? Do you wait until children are secondary age? But then some walk, some get the bus so are you penalising those who need a lift and parents won't get out of bed?

Schools do so much to help and support families. Families with more complex needs take up a lot of resources and on the whole staff will deal with this for the sake of the children. Why is it so bad to spend a few minutes at the end of the year congratulating a few children who have made it in everyday?

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 12:25:01

Meant to say staff will deal with this gladly for the sake of the children.

redwellybluewelly Sat 20-Jul-13 12:25:44

tethersend you do make me laugh grin

SirChenjin Sat 20-Jul-13 12:32:23

You can reward both - but why should schools reward something that is purely arbirtary and doesn't reflect hard work, aptitude or attitude?

If we started rewarding pupils for having good health, or for having parents who don't have emergency childcare, or parents who don't want the burden of looking after ill children (which, lets face it, is what it is) then I can't imagine many defending the reward.

VeryDullNameChange Sat 20-Jul-13 12:33:29

I think that children's attitudes can affect attendance at the margins though Tethers. There are loads of situations when keeping a child off school for a day would make a parent's life a bit easier. Taking them into school isn't impossible but it is inconvenient. Knowing that your child will spend the day moaning about missing their attendance certificate can be enough to sway the decision.

And in many areas a 9/10/11 year old can get themselves into school - sometimes that's a sad situation, but even so, better that they're in school than not.

jamdonut Sat 20-Jul-13 12:40:12

Rewarding "attitude to learning" is far more subjective...where do you draw the line for that? There will always be someone who misses out there too...I can just imagine the backlash our school would get for "choosing" children for that.

We could,of course, ban all awards. The Sporting Achievement awards (is it fair your child can't run,jump,throw, as well as another child?), the Music Award (Is it fair that your child can't play a musical instrument well?).The swimming lessons award (Is it fair that your child doesn't swim as well as another and make the higher grade?). And of course all the sub-levels that children need to achieve...is it fair to award a grade for literacy and numeracy,if your child is not quite as academic as others? Extrapolate that to 'is it fair to make children take exams,because some of them might not pass'.

There are plenty of chances to achieve, why shouldn't they be celebrated? 100% attendance is just one of many that schools give out.

(My Year 8 son got a certificate from his teacher for "Saying intelligent things that Miss doesn't understand." at the end of term! )

SirChenjin Sat 20-Jul-13 12:44:33

They reward attitude to school already in many schools - there are criteria which are preset and teachers reward accordingly. Happens in my DCs high school and so far there hasn't been a backlash!

A full attendance isn't an 'achievement'. DC3 has full attendance this year, and that is down to pure luck. If the school chose to reward that (they don't, thank goodness) then I would be very hmm about it.

Mumoftwoyoungkids Sat 20-Jul-13 12:47:55

I think attendance certificates are marvellous. Especially if it is for 100% attendance - not the much easier 95%!

Personally I hate cleaning up sick so if the school wants 100% attendance I'm happy to drop dd off with her plastic bucket. I'm also not a big fan off calamine on chicken pox so if ds comes down with it while at school (unfortunately dd has already had it) then who am I to keep him off and mess up the Ofsted.

Conveniently it also means no more midnight conversations with dh over who stays home from work with poorly children. (Our nursery is very inconsiderate about 48 hour rules!)

Superb! Just 14 months until dd starts school!

Am I missing something here???

burberryqueen Sat 20-Jul-13 12:51:44

grin mumoftwoyoungkids
one of my daughter's friends invariably has 100% attendance the poor guy is sent it with any illness he has, cos his mother got into such terrible trouble with school and SS over her elder child having too much time off.

jamdonut Sat 20-Jul-13 13:00:45

To be fair, they award for effort and for achievement in my kid's secondary school. I think it is easier to judge at that level.

They also award for 100% attendance. I think there was roughly 10 children in each year group. My two (Year 8 and 11) just missed out this year because of really bad colds. They know that it's just pot luck. It is no biggie. One of the girls in year 10 had 100% since she started in year 7. That is a real achievement.

Samu2 Sat 20-Jul-13 13:03:41

YANBU

My kids only ever miss school when they really are too ill to go. My dd loves standing up for her reward. She couldn't understand why she was left out two terms ago because she was sick. She is only 5 and she thought it was unfair that she had to miss out her reward just because she was off school for one day due to vomiting.

I agreed with her.

The health of our children is not in their control, so why reward someone who has had the fortune not to get ill?

Samu2 Sat 20-Jul-13 13:06:32

jamdonut, how is having 100% attendance since starting in year 7 a real achievement? It is not an achievement to be lucky enough to not get sick. It's just luck.

Or the child is sent to school when they are sick regardless of if they are contagious or not.

BornToFolk Sat 20-Jul-13 13:14:03

I'm kind of on the fence with this one.

On the one hand, DS has had 100% attendance this year. I don't see that as any achievement on his part. He's 5. He goes to school because I get up early enough to get him ready and take him there. He's been lucky not to have been ill all year - so 100%. It feels a bit weird that he gets rewarded for this. hmm

However, my sister is a primary school teacher and she says that some of her kids will tell their parents they have a headache etc and the parents will let them stay off school. If you can incentivise those children to WANT to come to school, they are not going to try it on with their parents.

Also, DS's school has a big problem with attendance. I know as I'm a governor. There are sanctions for persistent non-attenders but the attendance awards are really aimed at the kids that have 70-90% attendance. The ones that can't be bothered turning up and who's parents can't be bothered to make sure they get there every single day.

So, meh, I don't know! It does seem unfair to reward children for good health (and so also exclude children who have been unwell) but then, for some schools attendance is a big issue and you've got to try everything to get kids into school so they can learn!

Sparklysilversequins Sat 20-Jul-13 13:26:06

Doesn't bother me to be honest.

At our school they do 100% punctuality certificates as well and dd has had one every term she's been there. So that makes her happy and she doesn't notice the attendance one which is good as she's most unlikely to ever get one of those.

curlew Sat 20-Jul-13 13:32:22

You can say the same about any prize. My ds got the sporting achievement cup at the end of year 6- he was lucky to have good physical health, good hand/eye coordination and a lot of determination. All things outside his control. And a mother prepared to take him to training and to fixtures. Not fair either. Almost as not fair as not giving it to him!

tethersend Sat 20-Jul-13 13:45:52

"Yes, but when do you start encouraging attendance?"

Attendance awards are not compulsory.

Personally, I'd like to see schools which offer such a rich experience that children of any age want to come to school. Many, many schools are already achieving this.

madhairday Sat 20-Jul-13 14:12:18

"We also celebrate attendance each week,(with a cup for the class to display for the week),with the children very eager to know who has won."

And you say this like it's a good thing? Schemes like this cause untold misery for those dc who have a chronic condition and continually 'let their class down.' My dd is one of these, and when her last school also did this, was bullied and pushed around for 'losing them the prize' yet again hmm

Yanbu op. I've posted on these threads before but feel very strongly that these award contravene the Disability Discrimination Act because they exclude these children from the start.

What is more, they also reinforce the script those children are picking up through the years - that their disability makes them fail, that only the healthy can be the best and that they will never be able to compete. Imagine how these dc feel sitting through yet another attendance assembly with children lucky enough to be well being yet again rewarded and clapped for something THEY HAVE NOT DONE.

And those saying well it's the only award some get - if that's the case I'd be having strong words witrh the school because if they can only award some children with attendance awards then they are showing very little imagination. Attendance awards reward nothing but luck and health. If a school cannot find awards which reward something positive the actual child has done then something is wrong.

CokeFan Sat 20-Jul-13 14:32:15

I think rewarding 100% punctuality would actually be better - those who need encouraging to get ready in a morning (possibly the only part of getting to school that the child has some control over) will be motivated and those who are off because they are ill or at hospital/dental appointments don't get penalised.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 15:22:54

I like the idea of 100% punctuality.

As regards class achievement, the school should be adjusting for that, we have a similar award but if there is a persistent malingerer or child with a medical condition, allowances are made and it's judged on the rest of the class.

Children should be off school if they are ill, especially sickness. They stay off for 48 hours. If they come in they get sent home again (parents are called etc). That in itself stops parents calling in sick for a day off.

What can you do? If the child attends well and it's not recognised, then that seems mean too, especially if they are unlikely to win other prizes.

jamdonut Sat 20-Jul-13 15:28:24

Actually, CokeFan,that is a good idea!! But some people will then say it's not their fault they can't get to school on time. Where do you draw the line?

I want to know if people think that it is best we should stop rewards altogether.

Do you think children should be rewarded for good behaviour? What about children who have conditions that make them misbehave? Should we reward for not misbehaving as much as they did the previous year?

As I said in an earlier post,what about Sports,Music,Swimming ,taking part in events? Should these not be rewarded because not all children managed to achieve in these areas for a variety of reasons? Maybe they can't do after-school clubs,or afford school music lessons etc? Maybe they can't run,jump,throw as well as someone else.

Does that mean the children that can should miss out?

I know of a child whose behaviour is abysmal in the classroom,and their attendance not brilliant, but who is brilliant at sports,absolutely excels. He may not get the other awards, but he is rewarded for his sports prowess,and he is very proud of this,as are staff.

Meglet Sat 20-Jul-13 15:29:33

I like that idea owlinatree . We'd be guaranteed to win 100% punctuality.

<<drafts e-mail to head suggesting it>>

thecatfromjapan Sat 20-Jul-13 15:34:41

I think the point is this: You know how some schools have a "No children in school 24 hours after vomiting" policy, and some have a "No child in school 48 hours after vomiting" thing? Well, the point about all these prizes, medals, certificates, etc. is to tell parents - in secret language - to ignore the official policy. That, in fact, is for losers.

In fact, schools with certificates for 100% attendance are saying: "Dose your children up with calpol if they are feeling off; put calpol in their water bottles if necessary; keep quiet about the vomiting: drop 'em here and run, run, run."

So. Just so long as we all have that straight, everything is fine.

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 15:41:56

I think that's a bit sad thecatfromjapan. That's not what they are saying at all. Is it beyond the possibility of your brain that they might not have been ill? I had 2 winners this year in class. They were quite genuine, not sent in ill etc. Yes, it's luck, but it is nice to recognise this, it is an achievement.

thecatfromjapan Sat 20-Jul-13 15:42:05

Ah. I see Mumoftwoyoungkids has already posted something v. similar.

thecatfromjapan Sat 20-Jul-13 15:45:22

Owlinatree: "Is it beyond the possibility of your brain that they might not have been ill?"

Bit of a harsh response for what was a slightly (I don't consider myself to be Oscar Wilde of Jonathon Swift) funny response to a not-terribly-pressing modern issue.

You want to pace yourself there. What insults are you going to have left up your sleeve when you find your husband shagging your pet dog?

OwlinaTree Sat 20-Jul-13 15:47:24

Well I found what you said a bit pointless to be honest. Think I'll leave this thread now, seems it's just another school bashing attempt.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sat 20-Jul-13 15:48:46

Yeah, punctuality awards. Fantastic for those who live five mins walk away or have a decent car. Those of us who have to rely on a crappy bus service stand no chance though, so thanks for that.

Attendance and punctuality awards are a crock of shit. As stated time and again, throughout this thread, they penalise those with health issues or unavoidable appointments (two of my DC have had speech therapy in the past - only available during school hours - at the insistence of the school!). Generally, my DC are healthy, but before Christmas a horrendous bug swept the school and pretty much everyone ended up with at least 48 hours off at some point, including my 3. Not their fault but they would have lost out on 100% attendance, if their school didn't already see what a stupid idea those kinds of awards are.

Attendance is NOT an achievement - please stop deluding yourselves grin

Icantstopeatinglol Sat 20-Jul-13 16:03:39

Owlina, how is it an achievement to not get poorly? Surely it's just pure luck?
My ds has been off school with chicken pox and a vomiting bug this year and the 48hr rule meant he was off 3 days not just 1 when he was only poorly on the first day. This just makes me tempted to lie and send him in on the 2nd day! Although I would only do that if he was physically ok.
It just makes no sense to me the attendance awards. It's a total pain in the arse for me if one of my dc is poorly as it means I have to take time off work which isn't great.
Out of 50 kids in my ds reception year only 2 got 100% and they made such a song and dance about it.
I would love him to make it into school as much as possible but if he's poorly then he can't simple as that!

JazzDalek Sat 20-Jul-13 16:17:29

YANBU, it is utterly nonsensical.

They don't have this at my DCs' school, thank God. Neither of mine would get it because I keep them home if they are ill - I feel strongly about it, actually. I'll send them in with a cold, but anything more - high temp, lethargy, pain, especially sickness - I keep them home, for their own good and that of their peers. They are only little and when fighting off a virus they need to be home, snuggled on the sofa with DVDs, books, drinks and good food, not schlepping off to school to infect everyone else whilst putting their own systems under more stress.

CokeFan Sat 20-Jul-13 17:20:33

If you can't get to school on time on a regular basis because of traffic/buses/whatever then it's a problem that needs sorting - for the DC, who miss out on whatever happens first in the day and for everyone else in the class who get interrupted when the latecomers arrive.

Presumably the solution to the problem will depend on the cause - move school, find alternative transport or make an arrangement with the school that you arrive later - find a workaround.

100% attendance awards can only be motivators up until the first day you miss (for whatever reason). Once you've missed out on the prize for the term or the year you might as well have more time off.

jamdonut Sat 20-Jul-13 20:43:06

It seems (in our school at least) the children are fairly accepting of the fact that they won't get a certificate if they are off ill.They don't seem bothered by it,in the same way that they accept they won't get a certificate for good behaviour if they have had a yellow or red card.

There are plenty of other awards that children can receive ,one way or another.

If it was the ONLY way to receive an award I could understand people getting upset about it.

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