AIBU to not think of one reason why women should be banned

(41 Posts)
rottentomatoes Thu 18-Jul-13 11:14:14

from some golf clubs and to be very happy that Mc Ilroy has spoken out to support about the issue.

I honestly can't think of one reason why women should be banned from a sport club, am I missing something?

gordyslovesheep Thu 18-Jul-13 11:15:30

maybe their vaginas distract the poor menz from hitting small balls with sticks too much

rottentomatoes Thu 18-Jul-13 11:19:22

grin

KellyElly Thu 18-Jul-13 11:42:19

I didn't think this was legal any more since the Equality Act.

meddie Thu 18-Jul-13 11:43:51

Its a private club, they are still allowe too.

Whothefuckfarted Thu 18-Jul-13 11:47:45

Are all the staff and waiters male at this private club too? Sounds outrageous to me. I have a female friend who is an avid golfer. she's really good!

MrsKeithRichards Thu 18-Jul-13 11:48:55

Are you thinking about muirfield and the open?

I'm proud of our First Minister for refusing to go. He usually is all over anything happening in scotland for his own gain I'm pleased he's put this issue first

MrsKeithRichards Thu 18-Jul-13 11:50:09

Quite the opposite who the. I grew up near muirfield, many a pretty young girl worked there!

rottentomatoes Thu 18-Jul-13 11:51:07

Yes Muirfield and the open.

squoosh Thu 18-Jul-13 11:52:13

Oh that's ok as long as the pretty young fillies are allowed to wait on them!

Dinosaurs.

LadyBryan Thu 18-Jul-13 11:52:47

Yup, think its appalling. What is also irritating is the dress code.

MrLB was asked to sort out the computers at a club as a favour. He got there and wasn't allowed in as he was wearing jeans.....

MrsKeithRichards Thu 18-Jul-13 11:53:30

That was certainly the norm 15 years ago

meganorks Thu 18-Jul-13 11:53:44

I know of a golf club where the rules were changed to allow women into the club house. Women started to attend. But then women complained about the language used in club house. So they were banned again.

Perihelion Thu 18-Jul-13 11:57:42

Muirfield has always been utterly wanky. The R and A ( also men only ) which oversee the Open, muddies the waters, as it is a private club, but doesn't actually own the Old Course in St Andrews...it's a public course.

digerd Thu 18-Jul-13 12:13:42

gordy hit the nail on the nail on the head, of course.

LessMissAbs Thu 18-Jul-13 12:27:04

The only reason is misogyny. It is a deeply offensive ban. Those who support it should be ashamed of themselves.

I can only conclude, from my other experiences of living here as opposed to other Northern European countries, that Scotland is a deeply sexist, old fashioned country in its attitudes towards women.

Its just random things. I overheard a conversation the other day between two young men, the jist of which was how they weren't prepared to be told what to do at work by their boss, who was a "hormonal woman who couldn't get pregnant". The way I hear men refer to their wives here is often deeply derogatory and totally entrenched. If you haven't been brought up with it, its pretty shocking at times.

MrsKeithRichards Thu 18-Jul-13 12:50:17

Oh come on. So its ok for you to make sweeping generlisations on a whole nation?

fairylightsinthespring Thu 18-Jul-13 12:55:49

Would you also argue that it is U to have women only sessions at gyms or pools? That the WI should be open to men? I actually don't have a problem with somethings being exclusively one or the other. Whether we like it or not, the sexes are different, not that one is better or superior, just different and occasionally it is pleasant to be apart (and I say this as someone whose best friends are men and who tends to run a mile from "all girl / women" type things.

Whothefuckfarted Thu 18-Jul-13 12:58:43

lesmissabs

Outrageous statement against the Scottish.

I'm offended. shock

Tanith Thu 18-Jul-13 12:59:18

I'm reliably informed that women only golf clubs also exist. There is, apparently, nothing to stop a woman playing at a men only club and vice versa - it's just membership of that club that is restricted.

I suppose it's no different from single sex schools.

Quenelle Thu 18-Jul-13 13:01:54

There are men-only clubs in England as well. And apparently 50% of the single sex golf clubs in the UK are women-only.

Obviously as a private club they can do what they like. I don't think they should be allowed to host the Open though.

WorraLiberty Thu 18-Jul-13 13:04:53

I heard on the radio that there are more women only golf clubs than men's.

MaxPepsi Thu 18-Jul-13 13:05:40

Wouldn't bother me one bit.

My dad and brothers are members of a 'stuffy' golf club and it's absolute bliss to go there.

No swearing, lewd drunken behaviour. There is a dress code so everyone makes an effort to look nice.

They've just altered some of the rules to allow men in the ladies lounge and vice versa and it's ruined it!

SoupDragon Thu 18-Jul-13 13:12:24

I'm not entirely sure that not allowing someone in because they were wearing jeans is the same as not letting someone in because they don't have a penis.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen Thu 18-Jul-13 13:28:10

Am I the only woman who thinks golf is fun and doesn't really give a shit about grumbly old farts mens views? blush I've had men grumble about me.

They stopped when they realised I didn't actually care what they thought.

brainwashed Thu 18-Jul-13 13:39:46

As a private club they have a legal right to decide not to have women members....however they should not be afforded the prestige and everything else that holding the open brings. I hope McElroy wins after his comments now.

Tbh I can't wait for it to be all over...I don't like golf and living less than 5 miles from muirfield I am fed up of road closures & not being able to get any where by my usual route :-( That and the fact that our council has resurfaced loads of roads that didn't need doing because some golfers might drive down them(!!!) and ignored loads that really need doing....

MrsKeithRichards Thu 18-Jul-13 13:52:22

Oh yes the lovely smooth roads! Lucky us!

5Foot5 Thu 18-Jul-13 13:55:57

My PILs are members of a bowls club which has "members" and "lady members". Lady members pay a slightly smaller annual subscription although they seem to have much the same access to facilities and tournaments. The main difference appears to be that when they are hosting a competition with another team the lady members are expected to muck in and do the catering and provide supper while the men sit and enjoy and play host!

I asked MIL why on earth they put up with it but I get the impression that they all just shrug and accept it. I guess it is an age thing for them.

LessMissAbs Thu 18-Jul-13 14:00:30

As a private club they have a legal right to decide not to have women members

All the more reason to enact legislation that makes sexism be treated as seriously as racism.

Do you really think this would be tolerated if they banned Muslim people, and not just Muslim (and other) women?

Tailtwister Thu 18-Jul-13 14:10:10

From what I understand it's a fairly long process to become a member anyway, so not sure how long it would take for women members to actually be admitted even if the rules were changed.

Nanny0gg Thu 18-Jul-13 14:26:38

So, if the rules were changed, then you couldn't have any women-only clubs either - of any sort, presumably.

Will those women be happy? I am more than content that the WI is women-only...

ShabbyButNotChic Thu 18-Jul-13 14:31:03

I dont get the problem personally, my dad used to be a member of a grumpy git club men only golf club, he went with his friends to play and have a beer. As my mum would meet her friends at the women only gym to wout and have a coffee and gossip. I assume people who want this equality would be happy to see the end of women only clubs/gyms/swimming?

ShabbyButNotChic Thu 18-Jul-13 14:31:49

'Work out' not wout

brainwashed Thu 18-Jul-13 14:35:57

Lessmiss I completely agree that this is wrong and that the law should be changed......in the meantime though perhaps the powers that be might remove the clubs that are stuck in the 19th century from the rota of clubs that hold the open....
Sadly can't see it happening soon

DioneTheDiabolist Thu 18-Jul-13 14:35:58

Some men like to be in a men only environment sometimes. Some women like to be in a women only environment sometimes. A private members club sets the rules for it's members, they are explicit from the outset and no one has to join if they don't like it.

brainwashed Thu 18-Jul-13 14:37:43

Yes I wouldn't have a problem with women only clubs disappearing either

ageofgrandillusion Thu 18-Jul-13 14:51:00

The bigger question for me is what woman in her right mind would want to be a member of a club which so clearly doesnt want her as a member and actually views her sex as inferior???

vixsatis Thu 18-Jul-13 15:36:23

Private clubs are and should be allowed to set their own membership criteria. I wouldn't want to join a club full of misogynists, or of golfers, or runners or tennis players for that matter; but it's up to members who can join.

I work in a very male environment, I have lots of male friends and am a member of one of the London clubs which until very recently did not accept women members (where I have, incidently, been treated as an equal). I like all of that; but just sometimes I would really like the sort of all female company which I enjoyed at school and in my then all female college. I think an all female club could be very agreeable and that doesn't make me a man hater at all.

Freedom of association should be just that. I should be able to mix with the people I choose and so should everyone else. If some men don't want to mix with me, then that's fine.

rottentomatoes Thu 18-Jul-13 16:36:57

I think there is a difference with groups like the WI.
It's reason for existence is a support group for women. Golf on the other hand is a sport to be enjoyed for all. Surely?

badguider Thu 18-Jul-13 16:45:57

I am torn. yes it's old fashioned and misogynistic...

but... I belong to a women's cycle club. there are people who argue against women-only sports clubs and I wasn't sure myself to begin with but I am now totally sold on our women-only club even though I often ride with men too.

So, despite being a feminist. I would not support any legislation that made single-sex sports clubs illegal. Sorry.

LessMissAbs Thu 18-Jul-13 18:07:26

The name "Open" for such a championship being held in a premises that bans women is ridiculous. It should be banned to hold internationally or nationally sanctioned competitions at such venues.

I dont really want to be segregated from men either, like some powdered Elizabethan, retiring after dinner. I do triathlon and train with the men, I've never felt the need to be a member if a womens only club or to need special measures to help me train. If others do, thats fine, but I dont think on the whole that segregation of the sexes is the way forwards and not holding large competitions at venues that bar membership to.half the population will do far more for equal participation than any number of patronising special measures.

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