To think this is too much money for a school holiday?

(51 Posts)
outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 16:34:33

So this will be a week away in year 6. £485???? It is to a European country (I am being deliberately vague).

Have I lost perspective or is this shedloads? That is not the actual cost per head, there is some sponsorship and fundraising and if this does not go to plan it will cost more.

cozietoesie Wed 17-Jul-13 16:35:42

Are they staying in hotels and going to the opera?

Wow - for a year 6! That's madness.
Is it a ski holiday?
I know insurance for the kids is mega bucks which makes all school holiday trips really expensive.
I know I wouldn't pay it!

MadeOfStarDust Wed 17-Jul-13 16:41:01

My current experience of residential trips - all by coach (and Chunnel)

Germany Y7 - 5 days £300 youth hostelling....
PGL Wales Y6 - 5 days £375 dormitories..
Spain Y7 - 5 days - £565 (?!?!?!?) cheap hotel
France Y7 - 5 days - £425 - hostel

Blissx Wed 17-Jul-13 16:42:21

Wait till you get to Secondary and they hit £1000+. A lot of this is to do with just how much more expensive everything is including the Euro. Even I have been shocked at how much more non-school holidaying abroad is costing now as opposed to a few years ago!

officelady Wed 17-Jul-13 16:45:20

The Year 6's at the school where I work go to Wales for a week and do stuff like caving, mountain climbing, gorge walking etc for less than £200 per head. Wales is a European country grin

cozietoesie Wed 17-Jul-13 16:47:10

Bear in mind, also, that the costs for the teachers/supervisory adults will likely be being divvied among the kids.

outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 16:48:20

It is a sort of specialised holiday but not sporty. They need special clothes though which will be extra. I know some other holidays in secondary school are more but they are more 'some kids go and some don't'. There is a sort of assumption that all or nearly all will go and it is a small school (state not private).

I think it is really divisive and although we can afford it I am in two minds about supporting it by letting my child go. They go away in year 3 and year 5 too although these are UK and cheaper.

Cozietoesie....ha ha!

outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 16:49:41

officelady - I would be more than happy with Wales and my child would love it. They did a similar holiday this year though.

jellybeans Wed 17-Jul-13 16:49:51

It is a nightmare when you have twins or triplets!

Year 9 and 10 GCSE drama trip. To new york. Lucky me I have dd and ds1 both eligible to go.
The cost?
£1600. EACH

SJaneS Wed 17-Jul-13 16:51:27

Yes it is ridiculous but not uncommon - I paid just over £500 2 years ago for my daughter to go to Paris (staying with a host family and going by coach). As a parent you either pay it or just don't let them go unfortunately!

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 16:53:32

One of mine is in yr 6 and they did pgl which was £400 and then they got the chance to apply for skiing in yr 7 (middle school) and it was over a grand

I don't think they have any idea of how most normal families live. He goes to naice school in a very naice area and they seem to take for granted not all of us are rich. They get you to put things for auction at the fetes and things and you get the old trotting out of someones villa in florida etc <sigh> and we cannot even afford to buy our own home here, let alone a second one abroad grin

valiumredhead Wed 17-Jul-13 16:53:36

Sounds right, I've just paid just under 150 for 2 nights in UK for ds.

Yonihadtoask Wed 17-Jul-13 16:54:29

i would say that is about average for a week abroad. transport, insurances etc.

my DS had only 5 days in France for the same price.
More recently a week in Iceland which cost £1000!

I guess the anwer is that your DC doesnt have to go. It is optional.

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 16:54:33

I wish they would do youth hosteling in Wales or similar, does anyone know why they don't?

valiumredhead Wed 17-Jul-13 16:54:54

What drama do they do in NY that they don't do here??!!shock grin

outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 16:56:03

£1600 - holy cow!!!!!!!

Both mine do drama lessons, I am now praying they lose interest!

LynetteScavo Wed 17-Jul-13 16:58:39

I think it's a lot for a Y6 trip. I think Y6 trips should be in the UK....I'm not convinced they get that much more out of being in another country at that age... I think it's mostly about managing away from home with out your parents, and learning a few new skills.

The only exception I can think of would be skiing, or going to a specific major city such as Paris or Rome.

outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 17:00:17

Owllady - this is also in a very naice area and there seems to be no clue about reality. For instance I can't help feel that raising sponsorship to help send a load of (in the main) middle class kids abroad is a bit out of order when there are some kids out there who never go on holiday anywhere. I mean most of them will come back and then jet off on a family holiday.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 17-Jul-13 17:00:20

DD1 had 10 days in India, helping out at a special school, white water rafting, staying in an ashram, visiting Delhi and the Tak Mahal, which was £1200 (or thereabouts). Her sister went ski-ing for a week and it cost more than that.

I don't think £485 is that unreasonable. Presumably the cost includes the teachers' fares as well?

soverylucky Wed 17-Jul-13 17:00:37

I would want a break down of the cost. That is far too much money. Our school do a trip to france going through the tunnel, 3 nights, most meals included, activities on one day (rock climbing, archery etc) sightseeing the rest of the time - £280.

soverylucky Wed 17-Jul-13 17:01:47

Agree about the drama trip too. What is wrong with going to the west end?

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:04:54

I know what you mean outraged. The skiing trip for one was more than our holiday in Wales (haha) this year and that is for 3 adults and 3 children ! He is a good boy though, he understands that we just cannot afford it and his friends parents are better off. I do feel a bit sorry for him though, but it's just material.

ubik Wed 17-Jul-13 17:05:16

There was a similar thread a while back

The mumsnet consensus was that making school trips less extravagant so everyone can go without putting further pressure on family finances, would deprive Amelia And Gideon of an opportunity -and we can't have that, can we hmm

Op I think it is ridiculous of schools to organise these holidays, it is divisive and unnecessary and I diesn't as a parent who could afford it (although I would have to do much overtime the kids would probably forget they had a mother)

ubik Wed 17-Jul-13 17:06:04

I speak as a parent...

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:07:26

presumably MrsSchadenfreude you can afford that though? It's the acknowledgement that actually alot of families cannot afford that, especially when they have several children. We are in a recession, people have had their hours cut at work and things on the whole are more expensive. I think schools should adapt to that and offer options that are affordable to all

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:09:28

Presumably those that can afford these expensive trips have opportunities to go abroad anyway confused

valiumredhead Wed 17-Jul-13 17:10:08

I remember that thread. I agree, school trips should be much much cheaper so they are available to more kids.

I can afford it as have one child and fortunate to have enough income and I still think it's ridiculous.

India??!shock

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:10:26

presumably, presumably
oh dear. this weather is making me grumpy, sorry
I am not meaning to be offensive, I just seem more pissed off than usual

I have £20 to last me until next Thursday ffs that may be why!

CloudsAndTrees Wed 17-Jul-13 17:10:52

I don't think it's excessive. We paid not much less than that for the y6 residential trip in the UK.

It's expensive, but it's worth it. They learn a lot on these trips and enjoy it immensely.

valiumredhead Wed 17-Jul-13 17:13:17

Completely agree owl. Every time ds brings a letter home Dh mutters 'ffs ^ how^ much?'

insanityscratching Wed 17-Jul-13 17:13:35

I've paid £220 for dd's y5 five day residential about an hour from home. Last year it was £135 for three day residential about ten miles away. Next year it will another five day residential for about the same cost.
With my older ones it was a y6 thing but now it is expected yearly from y3 which I think is too much.

34DD Wed 17-Jul-13 17:15:00

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Groovee Wed 17-Jul-13 17:15:13

I've paid £310 for school camp for P7

Dd has come home with £688 for switzerland, £980 for New York and £300 for London and Paris.

katydid02 Wed 17-Jul-13 17:17:39

Year 8 German trip £300 4 days in a hotel
Year 9 French trip £330 4 days in a hotel

Secondary is not always more expensive. The only £1000 I have come across at our local high school was a geology/geography trip to Iceland.

Mandy2003 Wed 17-Jul-13 17:18:00

DS won't go on principle of the cost. He prices up the trips on the internet and tells me how cheaply we could do the same thing as a family. Italy (not skiing) for instance was a third of the price. But how to do it in term time so the prices don't rocket? That's the problem.

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:19:57

Mine went away in yr 4 too and they was more I think and both the older ones were doing residentials. I know for my daughter though they put an estimated cost on the form with;

I would like to come but
a) I can afford the full amount
b) I can afford part of the amount
c) I can afford any of the amount
or
d) I don't want to come

then they added up who could afford it and split the amounts. the children who couldn't afford it were subsidised by PTA fundraising (it's a special school)

I have three at three different schools though, so I can even compare between the three. Special school tend to do community based free or very cheap stuff. Middle ones naice school does ££££ trips without question. Youngest goes to a more mixed school and the trips tend to be one a year and less than £10 and they don't pester for money all the time

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:20:59

sorry c) was can't afford any of the amount -must preview [vblush]

mum11970 Wed 17-Jul-13 17:21:20

My ds1 is going skiing in feb - £700 and that's by coach and you need to provide own ski wear. Dd could also go but thankfully she doesn't fancy days sat on a bus.

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:21:57

I keep sniggering at the expensive trips to iceland blush how many prawn rings??

WorrySighWorrySigh Wed 17-Jul-13 17:22:27

It is a ridiculous amount of money and entirely unnecessary. There is absolutely no need to go on European trips while still at school just for the experience. Europe will still be there when they are adults and can organise their own trips according to their own interests.

HerculePoirotsTache Wed 17-Jul-13 17:23:09

I emailed DS secondary school because there was a choice of 3 trips abroad and not one of them seemed to be culturally educational. They were big fat jollies and all over £350. I wouldn't have minded paying if I'd actually thought DS would have learnt something!

DS1 went on residential trips in years 4 (2 nights) 5 and 6 (4 nights each) in the UK and these cost between £60 and £150 depending on the activities etc they were doing.

He is currently on a trip to Germany, staying in a hostel for 6 nights plus 2 days travelling, and that has cost £350. This included all travel, meals and entrance to swimming pools, museums, theme park etc.

DS2 went on the year 4 trip last month (£75) and will go on the year 5 residential (£250) in September.

We can 'just' about afford to send them on these trips and don't jet off abroad when they return. We have only been abroad twice and DS1 is 13. I do however think that they gain a lot from the trips and for DS1 who is learning German, I think it is important.

outragedofsuburbia Wed 17-Jul-13 17:34:33

It seems a real mixed bag of opinion and experiences. Some schools seem to manage much cheaper trips. I am glad, though, that I am not the only one who thinks it is a bit much, too young.

CloudsAndTrees Wed 17-Jul-13 17:38:33

The last thread on this got quite long and heated, but there was a balance between people who could see the benefits of schools offering foreign trips and those who disagreed with schools offering them.

I'm in favour of them despite the fact that I doubt my dc will be able to go on all the ones they are likely to be interested in.

I do think residential trips are being offered too early in many schools nowadays. There is simply no need for it before Y6, and I think it's sad that the special right of passage that Y6 children used to look forward to is being eroded.

Owllady Wed 17-Jul-13 17:40:43

I don't oppose the schools offering them really, I just wish they would look into cheaper options like hostelling and so forth.

i know when i went to france with school we stayed on an Equine hostel thing, which was absolutely fine for teenagers. the food was lentils every single day and a bread roll with a lump of cheese. We all lived

pooka Wed 17-Jul-13 17:52:33

We do one pgl trip in yr 6 - 4 nights for £240. With a year advance warning and regular installments rather than one hit.

I know other schools locally do trips in year 4 as well, but our school has a more mixed intake in terms of parental wealth and rightly, they limit it to one trip where everyone goes. If a parent really cannot pay £60 every 3 months, the school covers the cost. As a school we can't afford to subsidise more than 1 trip per cohort.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 17-Jul-13 18:21:10

To be frank, I don't think there should be any school trips, or they should be very low cost and accessible to all. Our primary used to go camping for a few days at a local scout camp site, and the cost was negligible - they essentially only paid for food.

Yes, we could afford these school trips and they were entirely optional. The India trip only had 12 places and the ski trip had 20, so the majority of children didn't go.

lessonsintightropes Wed 17-Jul-13 19:30:02

I wouldn't be happy about spending £500 ish on a school trip - in terms of school trips, maybe, maybe a residential in this country, or camping or something - but abroad? Doesn't that erode learning you do as part of a family if you're lucky enough to be able to afford to go abroad for holidays? Sorry if this sounds ridiculous - for me, this is hypothetical for quite some time, but there's a difference between camping/UK based trips for something like Guides, family holidays, and travelling abroad with friends. The latter I'm not sure I would be happy with any DC of mine doing before they were 16 - 17, regardless of whether teachers are present because recent news stories suggests male teachers and female young adults is not a great idea when combined with school trips. Too risky and invasive of experiences I hope to have with mine as a family. Too protective perhaps?

WorrySighWorrySigh Wed 17-Jul-13 19:54:15

I think the problem with these trips is that over the years there has been a steady inflation of these trips. Back in the dark ages (when I was young) there were not the residential trips which are on offer now.

Schools get sold the 'big' trips by company marketeers who convince schools that their pupils need these experiences as part of their development. Plus I suspect that some HTs hear that XYZ school down the road is offering a particular trip and want to compete.

I dislike the suggestion that if there is a case of genuine need that the school may help out. I dislike the school dictating to parents how they will spend their money. Even £20/month may mean that families are having to do without something else without being in a position to get assistance from the school.

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