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To think this calls for a celebration!? - Same-sex marriage to become law by next week!

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ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 21:54:59

Linky

I'm actually crying I'm so happy right now!

This calls for a large class of wine to celebrate!

mumtolilh Tue 16-Jul-13 21:59:45

I'm happy about it! I think it's up to each individual the life they wanna live smile

Empress77 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:00:30

It is wonderful news!

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:01:10

My uncles will finally be able to get married and my DD is going to be a bridesmaid, they've waited 17 years for this. I just phoned them up and they were crying down the phone they're so happy!

Bimblepops Tue 16-Jul-13 22:02:39

It is absolutely marvellous, am so happy...

ChasingDogs Tue 16-Jul-13 22:03:20

Bloody LOL at Gerald Howarth being upset about Conservative MPs being offended, when the majority of the population they're meant to represent is the opposite.

I'll join you in a drink, although mines not a large glass of wine but a rather less classy can of Stella grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 16-Jul-13 22:04:41

Yanbu wine

FeckOffCup Tue 16-Jul-13 22:05:42

What extra advantage does same sex marriage have over civil partnership, I always thought civil partnership gave the same legal status re inheritance and things as heterosexual marriage?

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:07:32
gordyslovesheep Tue 16-Jul-13 22:08:05

yay fantastic news grin

FeckOffCup Tue 16-Jul-13 22:11:01

Thanks for the link, I didn't realise that marital status affected so many things like pensions and emigrating.

CatelynStark Tue 16-Jul-13 22:11:11

Bloody brilliant! And about time too!!!

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:12:21

It's fine Feck not many people do. smile

Holliewantstobehot Tue 16-Jul-13 22:14:41

At long bloody last - am really happy for everyone who can now get married if they want to. Celebrations all round I say!!!

CuttedUpPear Tue 16-Jul-13 22:14:55

That's great.
Noone will ever marry me but I'm glad for those that want to and now can.

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:21:32

This is American, but we could be seeing sights like this in England in 2014. Get your hankies out.

FringeEvent Tue 16-Jul-13 22:22:48

Yay! wine for everyone.

Can someone please help me understand one paragraph from the article - I'm probably just being a bit thick but I'm not clear on what this means:

Under the terms of the the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, religious organisations will have to "opt in" to offering weddings, with the Church of England and Church in Wales being banned in law from doing so.

What is it that the Church of England and Church in Wales are banned from doing? This reads to me like the Church of England is no longer able to perform wedding ceremonies. I've got that wrong, surely?

wine Here's to going to an utterly stylish wedding sometime soon grin

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:26:03

The CoF and CoW can't perform same-sex marriages, it was added on to the bill so that it could be passed and prevent the Church from being forced to perform same-sex marriages, personally I think it's ridiculous, but, hey, it's better than nothing.

RockChicken1 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:26:27

Great news, I can finally marry my dp next year! Massive step for equality.

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:27:14

I'm so happy for you Rock! flowers wine

FringeEvent Tue 16-Jul-13 22:28:13

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up!

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:29:41

No problem. smile

thebody Tue 16-Jul-13 22:30:33

can't understand why people want to ban others from being happy.

fantastic news.

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:31:58

Me neither TheBody, but I hope they enjoy being on the wrong side of history, once again.

ImNotBloody14 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:32:52

Brilliant news! This has cheered me right up! smile

RockChicken1 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:33:12

Thanks normal smile

Dahlen Tue 16-Jul-13 22:33:37

I think this is great. Those photos are lovely. I love a good wedding. grin

McNewPants2013 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:34:39

Fantastic news.

Does that mean that hetro sexual couples can form a civil partnership rather than get married.

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:35:47

Not sure about that McNewPants I think it should be an option, I know a lot activists are calling for it.

I am so happy about this and so pleased for every couple who can now get married. And I'm really looking forward to the increased bride and groomzilla stories we'll be hearing.

winewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewine

PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline Tue 16-Jul-13 22:37:30

This is great news!

Congrats to everyone who will be able to get married. smile

Had an argument on twitter with some idiot who said it would make 'normal' marriage impossible. I asked him who has passed a law saying I now can't marry a man because men can marry men. I got no reply, oddly grin

I'm so pleased that anyone can Mary anyone they love. Damn right!

ANormalOne Tue 16-Jul-13 22:40:38

custard I've never heard a single legitimate argument against same-sex marriage, they have nothing. grin

Euphemia Tue 16-Jul-13 22:45:28

Those photos made me cry, especially the two dudes with the ZZ Top beards. Aaw. smile

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Tue 16-Jul-13 22:46:45

I loved the photo of the march in, I think, NYC, with the guys holding up a placard that read "don't like gay marriage? Blame the straight people, they're the ones who keep having those damn gay babies!" grin

Great news, many congrats for those who will now be able to get married, so pleased that is one step closer to real equality.

thatstoast Tue 16-Jul-13 22:49:49

I don't think there's been any change to the law regarding Civil Partnerships to extend that to heterosexuals. Great news about gay marriage (or just marriage now, I guess). In a way it's a shame that as a country we couldn't go skip the whole civil partnership thing and gone the whole way initially.

grin

This makes me happppeeeeee

OddSockMonster Tue 16-Jul-13 22:56:47

Brilliant! grin

CatelynStark Wed 17-Jul-13 20:00:58

Those photos are just gorgeous!!

BrokenBanana Wed 17-Jul-13 20:17:23

Hooray! Brilliant news! grin

lessonsintightropes Wed 17-Jul-13 20:21:40

Love the photos flowers to everyone now able to marry their DPs grin

WaitMonkey Wed 17-Jul-13 20:24:38

Congratulations Rock. It is utterly wonderful news. Am so happy. wine all round.

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 20:26:07

It's absolutely brilliant news.

If any of you are on Twitter, you might like to come and have a bargy engage in conversation with @StraightPrideUK, who are today issuing black armbands to commemorate the 'death of marriage'.

Twats.

ComposHat Wed 17-Jul-13 20:29:56

one of the MPs getting his y-fronts in w twist about equal marriage devaluing marriage, believed in marriage some much thst he spent a portion of the 80s fucking his kids nanny. (allegedly)

BarbarianMum Wed 17-Jul-13 20:55:33

I wish I could be joyous but I just think about bloody time really.

The whole thing about it 'devaluing marriage' really pisses me off tbh - I've yet to hear one rational argument why it would. You know what devalues marriage - forced marriage, domestic violence and adultery. Be nice if a few MPs spent more energy in fighting those. Not very likely though especially the last hmm

<will sour off now - am really happy that it makes so many others happy - honest>

NicholasTeakozy Wed 17-Jul-13 21:02:35

It's great news. Why should gay people be denied the chance to be fucking miserable...

LostLion Wed 17-Jul-13 21:04:23

YANBU!!!!! One step forward for human rights.

It's not often we hear good news. I'm with barbarian though, I just think it's been an awfully long time coming and it's a shame it didn't happen years ago. But glad it's finally happening. You still come across the odd person who disagrees with it but on the whole people's attitudes have changed which is great. I always wondered how we could call ourselves a modern, civilised society yet deny people the right to marry who they want to. Let's hope more countries see sense on this too.

McNewPants2013 Wed 17-Jul-13 21:25:30

I have to laugh at the "devaluing marriage" comment.

I think hetro sexual couples did that by being able to divorce ( that that i care if people get divorced)

McNewPants2013 Wed 17-Jul-13 21:25:49

not that

Lilka Wed 17-Jul-13 22:30:43

I'm lesbian.....and so so happy today smile

manicinsomniac Wed 17-Jul-13 22:37:15

It is good news but I do wonder if banning churches from performing same sex marriages is actually a step backwards I know they have never been allowed to do it but many churches, especially the more traditional C of E types (rather than charismatic free churches), have been in favour of it and would have welcomed being allowed to.

I'm another one delighted (although I'm hmm it hasn't been more highly reported).

I think my straight marriage feels even stronger or more legitimate now that the mere fact of our respective sexes is irrelevant.

A civilly partnered friend of mine proposed to her wife again today. I'm not sure whether they can but I had a lovely little sob about the public proposal.

<hankies>

Wbdn28 Wed 17-Jul-13 23:05:25

It's good news. Agree with manic that a blanket ban within churches isn't helpful though.

thatstoast Wed 17-Jul-13 23:47:10

I think the plan is if you already have a civil partnership you can pay a fee to have it become a marriage. I'm not sure if a further ceremony is needed.

Bumpotato Wed 17-Jul-13 23:52:23

This is great news.

I'm not gay and of the gay people I know I'm not sure if any of them are itching to get hitched. However, when I see anyone on my telly bumping their gums with ridiculousness about why there shouldn't be same sex marriage it makes me very pro same sex marriage.

tigerlilyboo21 Wed 17-Jul-13 23:54:42

I'm so thrilled, everyone in our house did a dance for joy!

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:00:57

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It makes me really happy to know that my dad can get married and I will have a real stepdad. I don't know why it's any different to his partner being my stepdad already, I just love the fact that I could have an OFFICIAL one. smile

manicinsomniac Thu 18-Jul-13 00:05:59

Why do you think that Golliath? I'm genuinely interested, not having a go.

I was brought up to think that being gay was a sin but, as I got older, that made no sense to me.

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 00:08:13

Great! I'll raise my bedtime brew grin

As a married heterosexual, I feel that the status of marriage has been enhanced by this move.smile

The thing about the churches - I reckon it was a pragmatic way to cut through the Gordian knot the CofE was bound to tie itself into over the issue, which could have blocked progress for years - you only have to look at the mess they made of the women bishops issue to see that.

Joined recently, Golliath? Only I see you've only posted 3 times on MN, all within the past 15 minutes.

Why does it bother you so much that THE GAYS can get wed?

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 00:14:25

>a blanket ban within churches isn't helpful though
there isn't a blanket ban within churches - only the CofE and CofW. The RCs of course won't be opting in any time soon, but some other denominations eg the URC are in favour - and are also of an ecumenical bent so I'm sure will be glad to perform this service for couples from other churches.

By the way, Golliath, "lemming" is not an antonym to "bigot". Just so you know.

slightlysoupstained Thu 18-Jul-13 00:18:20

<ignores trollbigot & raises glass of wine >

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:19:52

MANIC: I just genuinely believe that somethings should be the way they were intended in a old fashion view. Im not religous or old, and without getting deep into this which im sure will offend someone have my own strong ideas on what is right or wrong. Just my opinion

Bumpotato Thu 18-Jul-13 00:23:33

Who intended? We're all here by virtue of a Big Bang accident millions of years ago. Nothing is intended. It's all random.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:26:10

Meerkat: Just so you Know it wasnt intented to be an antonym: Whats it matter when I joined and how many posts ive made, you the net police or something or are you making referals to something else cos i dont agree with your views.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 00:26:16

Golliath, I don't see how you can make such a strong statement and then not back it up with something other than "just my opinion". Please give us your reasons that helped form your opinion.

Congrats to anybody out there that is now able to be married!!!! smile

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:27:23

You believe random, I believe set. lets leave it at that.

OK, I am prepared to wade in, just for the sake of interest and getting things said that need saying...
<rolls up sleeves, spits on hands>

Golliath do please expand on your reasons for holding your very interesting opinions.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:29:43

Instead of me justifying my reasons for my opinion why dont you tell me why your pro

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 00:32:37

Equality.

I don't need to say anymore about why I'm pro, that says it all.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 00:36:47

Interesting, your view summed up in one word, so was mine, it was just different to yours.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 00:41:37

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Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 00:41:45

I'll give you my reasons why I'm pro.

Marriage is significant for the relationship between men and women. Quite aside from the less-definable aspects of love and commitment, it affords hard legal advantages, such as claims on property and pensions.

The only way you would be able to deny that those rights should be afforded to same sex couples is if you believe that same sex couples are less valid than heterosexual ones.

That's called bigotry.

HTH.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 00:49:31

cant see why people are being called trolls , why shouldnt they have an opinion, just because it differs from yours , you let your self down big time the moment you start name calling .

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 00:55:49

Because they haven't actually backed up thier opinion in any way!

And like someone else said, the poster only joined this evening and it seems thier posts are already goady.

Why would you join a forum and one of your first posts be something that is clearly going to goad other posters?

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 00:57:23

I have asked for my troll comment to be removed as I agree I shouldn't have posted it.

I still would like the poster to back her opinion up with something though.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 01:00:03

they have said their opinion why should they back it up , how do we know they havent name changed, it sounded like a strong opinion , just because it differs from yours does not make it goady .

RockChicken1 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:02:49

I understand there are people who disagree with same sex marriage, they have every right to do so. What I don't understand is the leap from disagreeing with it to believing that no one should be able to marry someone of the same sex. If you don't support equal marriage then don't marry someone of the same sex and turn invitations to same sex weddings, don't try and stand in the way of two people who love each other doing something that everyone should be able to do.

oreocookiez Thu 18-Jul-13 01:06:16

It is great news x

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:06:42

It is goading because it is posted in a thread full of people who are quite clearly going to take offence to it.

If the poster had said something along the lines of "I know I'm going to get a flaming but I don't agree with it because of x,y,z" and had a reasoning to thier opinion, then perhaps it wouldn't be percieved as goady.

But saying its "Wrong, wrong, wrong" and "I don't care if that makes me a bigot" is going to get people's backs up.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 01:12:14

i get fed up with these threads where everyone starts picking on the first person who doesnt agree with everyone, they dont have to have a reason to back things up ,they have said their opinion and left it at that ,asking them the reasons is more goady to me .

Come on Golliath - if you have legitimate reasons for being against equal marriage, then air them here. We would like to know what they are and how they were formed.

I am for equal marriage, because that is what it is - equal rights for all adult humans under the law, regardless of gender, colour or orientation.

People do not get to choose their sexual orientation, it's a part of who they are, just like their eye colour, so why on earth should we discriminate because of who they love?

Makes no sense at all.

I totally disagree with you there Brilliantwhite

This is a thread discussing equal marriage on a discussion board - people are posting their opinions and backing them up with the reasons why; Golliath is clearly goading with her/his initial post, why shouldn't we ask the reasons behind her/his thinking?

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 01:16:01

Thing is, you are not really entitled to an 'opinion' if it flies in the face of the laws of the land.

People can believe what they want. We don't have thought police in this country, which is a good thing. However, as soon as you start voicing those thoughts, you have crossed a line.

Try replacing gay with black and seeing how it sounds when you say "gay marriage is wrong". Ugly isn't it.

Just because something goes against cultural norms doesn't mean it's wrong any more than it means the prevailing cultural norms are right.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:17:48

I can understand why you think that brilliant. But I wasent jumping on the poster because they had a different opinion. I asked at first for reasons for the opinion out of interest, for a discussion perhaps and because Its interesting to hear people's views and why they have those views.

The fact the poster wouldn't give reasons and instantly started on the defensive, made me instantly find the posts goady and attacking.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:20:24

If golliaths posts have intelligent and informed views like others on this thread (I'm not including mine, I'm far to tired and hot to be intelligent right now) than maybe I could take her opinion more seriously.

ljny Thu 18-Jul-13 01:23:18

Ignore the bigots. They're on the losing side of history

So happy to see justice & equality win.

wine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine

And congrats to all those with impending nuptials.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 01:25:09

I see why you may have thought this goady with the opening of "I know im going to get a flaming" As you have pointed out I joined tonight and did not realise this was a bad opening line. I just wanted to state my thoughts on the subject and did not want to give more explicit reasons for my thoughts. I did not realise that to write on this post you had to be in the pat on the back brigade. You mention equality, then that entiltles me to have an opinion even if it differs from yours. It seems 1 or 2 on here like to consider themselves self appointed moderators.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 01:27:06

not everyone has posted their reasons why they are glad , just saying great or cheers is not a reason , just seems everyone is trying to goad someone who is against the grain here then try and flame them , and what has replacing gay with black got to do with anything hmm odd thing to say .

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:30:08

If you had read my posts that wasent the reason I took your posts as being goady at all.

You don't need to be part of the "pat on the back brigade" at all, many regular posters will disagree with one another on one thread and then agree with another on a different subject on another thread. However they usually have a well informed and not offensive debate whatever their opinion.

Your opinion or not, bigotry is always going to be offensive, in real life and on forums like mumsnet.

Not an odd thing at all, considering that at one point inter-racial marriage was not only frowned upon, but illegal in some countries.
Can you not see the similarities between the two? Both banned because of something totally outwith their control (skin colour/sexuality). It really is bigotry, just poorly disguised.

fatlazymummy Thu 18-Jul-13 01:37:37

Fantastic news. It feels good to be British at this moment.
Congratulations to all those posters who are now free to marry the person they love.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 01:42:29

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Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:48:51

Thankyou for explaining.

Can I ask what how you would feel if your son or daughter was gay? And was to get married?

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 01:49:23

Thing is, you are not really entitled to an 'opinion' if it flies in the face of the laws of the land.

Thing is you are entitled to an opinion no matter what the law says, you are not breaking the law to have an opinion on a disscussion forum. This is a free country and as you know from your fight for "equality" so you can speak your mind. It is different to target or intimidate someone.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:50:03

I don't intend to goad by that question, am just genuinely interested.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 01:52:35

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Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 01:57:09

Well I hope for thier sake, that none of your grandchildren are gay.

Again, Thankyou for enlightening us.

Ok Golliath lets see -

1/ Sex is only intended for reproduction? By that logic, the elderly and barren should not allowed to form sexual relationships as they cannot have children.

2/ Homosexuality is seen in animal species across the planet - in your considered opinion, have they all chosen to be 'unnatural'?

3/ Just be best friends? So people with same sex attraction should be celebate for their entire lives? Really? Do you understand just how cruel that is?

Simply because you think it's unnatural, does not mean we should deny a great swathe of people their right to be treated equally.

ljny Thu 18-Jul-13 02:00:33

I hope your son doesn't share your bigotry, especially if one of your grandchildren turns out to be gay.

A real parent wants their children to be happy. A real parent doesn't treat their child as a reflection of him/herself.

No one is asking you to marry someone of the same sex. What difference does it make to you who other people marry?

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:00:43

So if marriages main reason is to pro-create, does that mean that women or men with fertility problems who cannon have children, or don't want children shouldn't marry either?

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:00:55

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and to say it, if you like. And others are entitled to tell you how twattish and bigoted that opinion is.
Isn't equality nice? Sorry, actually, you don't believe in equality....

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 02:06:56

and there you all go , begging them for reasons and as soon as they give them you pounce , just because they dont agree with your view , amazing , stop all acting like playground bullies fgs.

Begging?

No, just asking for the reasons behind such an uninformed and unnatural opinion. Any poster who considers cutting off their child because of their sexual orientation would be questioned in such a manner (and probably worse). We're all playing nicely - you're the only one here throwing around accusations of bullying.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:11:25

I'm not pouncing brilliant, my questions were answered which I thanked the poster for. I am just having a debate with the poster, I don't know how a debate is seen as bullying.

If you don't like it, i suggest you don't read it. I haven't said anything offensive that I haven't apologised for.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:14:27

Your right i dont believe in equality, My statement sex is for reproduction is a meaning for things fit in certain places for a reason not to necessarily have children. Yes my son does share my bigotry as does my whole family. If you want to put this along side the aninmal kingdom thats upto you Im talking human beings. It makes a difference to me what sex marries what sex as I have my views on the matter. As I said you asked, I gave my reasons and now what im a twat and a bigot. or is it you that are bigoted only seeing things the way they suit you so which of us is right. You think you are and I think I am.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:15:55

You called yourself a bigot in your first post.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:17:17

Homophobia is a form of bigotry. Calling people up on thier homophobic views is not a form of bigotry.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:18:58

Yes I did as that is the response I expect as my opinion didnt match any of the posts before joining the debate. Thought Id save you all the trouble of typing it but it seems to be a bit of a favourite for some.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:19:43

I think it obvious which of us is right. Hint: it's not you.

Things fit in certain places? I think you'll find penises fit rather well in a variety of places. Perhaps you should try it.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:20:04

sounds like a double standard if you ask me.

Humans are animals - just highly evolved ones, and the more we evolve, the more such thinking will be left behind.

As Lj8893 stated, you claimed the title bigot yourself in your first post - why would we disagree?

SunshineBossaNova Thu 18-Jul-13 02:22:46

I think it's wonderful. My straight marriage isn't the least bit undermined because of it.

So Golliath my DH and I married a few years ago and it turns out that we're infertile. Is our marriage irrelevant because we can't reproduce?

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:23:43

Kobay, So you want to play on words, no wonder it becomes difficult to take you seriously.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:24:38

Please look up the definition of bigotry.

And it wasent a debate before you piped up, it was a celebration.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:25:47

nope, I don't. Just thinking maybe you should loosen up a bit and expand your horizons.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 02:25:58

so saying someones view is twattish and bigoted is ok now is it ,and their opinion is uninformed and unnatural , thats playing nicely , ive obviously been playing the game wrong. smile

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:27:47

I think its ok, yes. I don't think you get to call a whole section of society unnatural and wrong and then cry "how dare you say mean things about my opinion"
Free speech is a wonderful thing, hey?

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:29:27

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Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:29:50

But thier view is bigoted, its homophobic which is bigotry. And that's not just my opinion, that's fact.

RockChicken1 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:30:39

Golliath supposing one of your grandchildren did turn out to be gay and your family turned your backs on him/her as you said you would, would you not worry what impact that would have on the child? I'm sure you wouldn't stop loving them if they were gay, therefore surely you'd still be concerned about their welfare? I'm not trying to antagonise, I'm just trying to understand.

Brilliant I'm quoting the poster concerned - if it's not good for me to say it, then it's not good for them to say it either; I don't see you condemning them for their opinion though.

I'm happy to stand by my opinion that the other posters opinion is bigoted, because it clearly is. After all, what type of loving parent would admit on a parenting site that they'd cut off their child for being homosexual?

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 02:32:09

yes free speech is wonderful if you say things that make sense and dont use spiteful remarks smile

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:33:01

Oh come on lets not start playing the homophobic card, poor little me......

And just as a by the by - considering the latest posts from Golly, I have reported the entire thread as I think Golly is a little too much <trip trap under the bridge> to be real.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:35:16

hey golliath, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:35:20

But what the poster is saying is spiteful.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:36:15

It's not a card, you are homophobic! And what do you mean by poor little me?

I'm waiting for Golly to pull the other one - it has bells on it.

C'mon Golly, you can do better than this!

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 02:38:09

Report away Tapir Lj8893 asked for my reasons several times and when given you all dont like it. If you dont wanna hear it dont ask. What is spiteful in my coments thats not a response to the comments posted at me.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 02:38:27

im not condeming them because they just said their thoughts and left it , others kept pushing for reasons behind the view , and then a handful of people jumped on them,i dont like the way a lot of people attack one person,just everyone say your view and leave it ,it gets boring with the attacks,there is no need ,if you dont agree leave it or it comes across as bullying and goading keep asking them stuff then all attacking.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 02:40:15

Trip Trap
DFTT.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 02:40:30

I still don't know what you mean by poor little me?

Rather one sided then, aren't you brilliant. You won't condemn the hateful remarks directed at homosexuality, but bandy about accusations of bullying against those who question those remarks. How lovely of you to appoint yourself the playground monitor hmm

If a poster makes bigoted remarks on a discussion board, they are robust enough to stand by them, defend them, define them. (All of which Golly hasn't done)

Yup - definitely <trip trap> going on here.

Lj8893 It's an poor attempt to goad you. Don't worry about it, it'll be banished by morning.

QueenStromba Thu 18-Jul-13 05:55:48

This started out such a nice thread.

I actually shed a few tears looking at those pictures - it's so nice to see people looking that happy.

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 06:36:30

Actually, you are not entitled to express an opinion if it goes against the laws of the land. There are laws - quite rightly so - against hate speech. These apply even on social forums, as some of the high-profile Twitter cases demonstrate.

mirai Thu 18-Jul-13 07:05:07

*Thing is, you are not really entitled to an 'opinion' if it flies in the face of the laws of the land.*

Oh well those women in Saudi who aren't allowed to drive mustn't dare to have any opinions on the matter then; how about those countries where stoning is still allowed in law to punish so-called adultery; no one is entitled to an opinion on that either then?

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 07:07:33

Don't be disingenuous mirai. We are not talking about Saudi, we are talking about the UK.

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 09:41:45

Well, assuming that Golliath isn't a troll hmm, this post:

Oh come on lets not start playing the homophobic card, poor little me......

is just unbelievable. Along with talking about feeling ashamed if her own son was gay.

What a horrible person you sound.

So:

________________________________________________________

Shall we get back to celebrating this wonderful news and the fact that all adults who love each other and wish to mark that via a public ceremony and declaration are now allowed so to do?

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 09:45:02

And whilst I'm no fan of this government (understatement of the year!), I think it's bloody marvellous that this has been achieved.

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 09:46:41

Me too BIWI. It's actually quite something that this has come in with a mainly Conservative government in power. I hope it's a reflection of a seachange in attitudes towards sexuality and relationships.

I am tempted to say it could only come in under a Con govt - if Lab or Lab/LD had tried to introduce it I'm sure lots more Con would have opposed it. But the more liberal parties can hardly vote against when it so closely fits their own ideals.

brilliantwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 09:50:26

im not one sided at all , im not condemning any ones opinions to the subject in hand, im expressing my view on all attacking one person , how lovely you see me as the playground monitor , Yup - definitely <trip trap> going on here,yup more than one smile

People have been asking for explanations of the "anti" position because for most of us it makes precisely zero sense.

An opinion one can't back up isn't worth much.

Golliath

"I find same sex un-natural and un intended, Lets remember sex is a way of reproducing to populate the world, same sex does not work that way as we all know"

Did you notice humankind had evolved at all?

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Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 10:30:42

Golliath - you say that same sex is "unnatural and unintended" - which is little different to saying that homosexuals are unnatural and unintended. That most certainly IS hateful.

However, you're also wrong. Quite a lot of research has been done to show that homosexuality is a successful adaptive evolutionary response. In times when resources are scarce, same-sex relationships keep a check on population growth while at the same time cementing social cohesion.

Given the population crisis on the planet today, you could argue that it would be preferable if more people were homosexual.

Flobbadobs Thu 18-Jul-13 10:35:01

This is excellent news!!
On a personal level it's wonderful too as I can now nag DH's second cousin and his long term partner about 'living over the brush' as they did to us before me and DH got married grin
As an aside how long do we think it will take for it to just be referred to as Marriage without the the Gay prefix? I think it's about time to stop differentiating between the two and just accept a couple marrying for love is no different whether straight or gay. (Of course I accept that there are many people who will never accept that it should be considered the orm).

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 10:37:37

I'm not sure I'm convinced by that argument BTW anymore than I am about other sexual selection type arguments and evolutionary psychology etc., but I'm using it to show that saying homosexuality is unnatural is a spectacularly ill-informed viewpoint.

Golliath Thu 18-Jul-13 10:42:30

I agree there is a population crisis in the world today, how we deal with it is where we differ, you have a point of view as do I, We cant all agree all of the time,

manicinsomniac Thu 18-Jul-13 10:47:52

I don't think Goliath necessarily has to be a troll.

I have 2 aunts and 2 uncles (the aunts are siblings) who hold the same views as this. One aunt told me at Christmas that she would never let a gay person into her house, one uncle kicked off hugely when, as teenagers, some of my cousins and I suggested that his dog was gay and another uncle said he would 'line them all up and shoot them'. If any of them had a gay child or grandchild I don't like to think what would happen. Weirldy, apart from this one issue, they are wonderful people - kind, caring, will do anything for anybody, fun to be around etc and we're a really close family. The first time this topic every cam up I was so shocked I cried. I couldn't believe that such nice people could hold those views. But they do. And you'd never know it if it didn't come up. And they aren't even the religious ones, I am!

So, I believe Goliath could be a very genuine, very nice person with this one inexplicable hang up.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 10:50:22

Same sex is unnatural? Really? Because there are hundreds of animals, including humans, that exhibit homosexuality, humans are the only animals the exhibit homophobia. I think you homophobia is more unnatural.

But if you really don't like it because it's unnatural, I suggest you get off the internet, out of your clothes, leave your house, your job, your healthcare, your money, and go live in a field somewhere, because look around you, your entire bloody existence is 'unnatural'.

Just out of interest, Golliath, you say you and your family (your son) are bigoted; does that include your parents, grandparents, etc? Are these actually your views you are passing down or are they actually the views of past generations that are being carried down your family line?

You know I disagree with your views, I am just very curious as to how you formed them.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 10:51:03

*your

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 11:00:00

I have said nothing hateful in my posts

So saying you would be ashamed if your own son was gay isn't hateful? hmm

Why would I be so wrong to have an opinion which I toned down or is that only reserved for the politically correct. Trouble is we now live in a country thats to frightened to say what it thinks in case it offends.

Of course you can have an opinion. But you also need to acknowledge that the world has moved on, and that your views are now culturally unacceptable and also offensive. Being homophobic is no different from being racist. Oh, and it's also illegal.

If you think I sound horrible because I would disband my own if gay

Yes, I do think you sound horrible. And it's 'disown' not 'disband'.

what would you be if you had a child by what ever means and the child had to grow up confused as to which was mum and which was dad

Why on earth would they be confused? They either have two mums or two dads bringing them up. What's the problem with that?

the teasing they would get at school

Why would they get teased? It's much more common these days for children to live with gay parents than it used to be, therefore normal, and not grounds for any teasing.

Its a cruel world and news flash for you all it aint getting any better you just choose to ignore it

Isn't it just, with people like you? Changes to the law like this do make it better. Sadly, people like you are the ones who make it worse.

Your like a group of a well know religion that knocks doors pushing your views on the world to see your way

So you would liken an act that has been passed by parliament to doorstep pushers?! You need to get real and realise that this is a serious and life-changing, cultural change.

If you didnt shout about it then no-one would take any notice and leave you alone, but if you insist on telling the world your preference then dont be supprised when not every one embraise's it and that a few of us still have the get up to tell you so.

It's now law! You don't have to like it - but this is now reality. And ignorant bigots who froth about it have no place in our society.

And your spelling shows your ignorance, too.

ReindeerBollocks Thu 18-Jul-13 11:03:47

Raising a glass wine for same sex marriage, this is wonderful news!

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 11:07:08

If you think I sound horrible because I would disband my own if gay.

That doesn't sound horrible, it is horrible.

What would you be if you had a child by what ever means and the child had to grow up confused as to which was mum and which was dad

This is a stupid opinion based on bigotry, every study of children adopted by same-sex parents has found the children they raise are no different to those raised by a heterosexual couple. Stop projecting your bigotry onto children.

and the teasing they would get at school.

Most children don't give a crap about homosexuality until it's taught that it's a bad thing by adults, the same with race and religion. Why on earth would homosexual parents be horrible because a child bullied their child, the fault is with the bully and their bigoted opinion.

Its a cruel world and news flash for you all it aint getting any better

It's a cruel world because of bigots like you, that's for sure, but you're wrong, it is getting better. YOU are on the wrong side of history.

Your like a group of a well know religion that knocks doors pushing your views on the world to see your way.

Nonsense, you're entitled to your views and we are entitled to challenge them.

If you didnt shout about it then no-one would take any notice and leave you alone

Nonsense, again, homosexual have been discriminated against for years, even when people did everything under their power to hide their true nature.

but if you insist on telling the world your preference then dont be supprised when not every one embraise's it and that a few of us still have the get up to tell you so.

Because fighting for equality is the same as telling the word your preference. No-one is asking you to embrace ANYTHING we're asking you to allow people to live the way they want free from discrimination, which doesn't infringe on your rights to do anything. So you can sod off with your poor bigoted martyr routine.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 11:13:01

Oh and last thing before I take my daughter to be weighed, you said that sex is about procreation. No it isn't, do some research, sex is about a lot more than making babies. Our closest relatives, the Bonobo chimp, use sex as a way to build relationships and maintain bonds between members of their troop, and le gasp they have lots and lots of HOMOSEXUAL sex too, to do just that.

Try reading a book, love, they're not just decoration.

Velve Thu 18-Jul-13 11:18:44

I am so happy about this news I can't even express it verbally.
I just squeal with happiness randomly when I think about it. I keep getting rather confused looks from my 10 month old.

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 11:23:15

My last thought before i continue celebrating that gay marriage is now legal is this, its now law, that speaks volumes to me that gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender etc are not as much the minority as people who have old fashioned and immoral views like golliaths. Oh, and I think you will find golliath that many many people on this thread and over the country celebrating this new law are heterosexual. So comments like the homophobic card, poor little me are irrelevant.

I am very proud to be british right now, and I am delighted that gay marriage is now legal. Everyone deserves the right to choose to be married regardless of thier gender.

I look forward to many of my friends and relatives weddings in the future!

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 11:28:53

>you said that sex is about procreation.
and marriage certainly isn't just about procreation - in some cases its not even about sex. Infertile couples can marry. Post-menopausal women are allowed to marry. People with disabilities which mean they can't consummate the marriage, are allowed to marry.

Runningchick123 Thu 18-Jul-13 11:40:35

Out of curiosity does anybody know what is going to happen with the consumation law within marriages (marriage isn't currently legall binding until it has been consummated and British law states that consumation is an act only between a man and a woman)?
I haven't heard how the govt is gong to deal with this legal aspect of marriage and i Wouldn't like to see this clause removed because it affords some protection for those forced into unwanted marriages who manage to get out of the marriage without divorce because they haven't consummated it.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 12:59:02

Why don't we celebrate that old fashioned fools like Golly are now on the wrong side of the law?
Thats something that we can raise a woop to, I think?

mirai Thu 18-Jul-13 13:14:07

Good point runningchick

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 13:40:58

<woops>

bobbywash Thu 18-Jul-13 15:03:23

If Goliath wants to have those views then who are we to say that they shouldn't be held. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, and saying she's wrong for having them, when she (presuming the poster is female) belives in them is almost bullying.

OK so the majority on this thread don't share her views, but so what.

Stick to your own joy if you have it and don't pick on someone who expounds a different viewpoint, personally I DGAF whether same sex marriage is legal or not as I don't believe in the institution in any event.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 15:09:36

Saying someove is wrong due to thei beliefs is bullying? hmm So Mandela, that giant big bully, shouldn't have said a word about apartheid? Lincoln should have respected the views of the slavers?
Get a grip.

bobbywash Thu 18-Jul-13 15:22:16

Sorry clearly the word almost is beyond you, well can't say I'm surprised in the context of this thread, and with the Lincoln and Mandela comments you're just being absurd.

I think anyone with any logic or sense would believe that bullying is when one person or a group of people are picked on in an aggressive way by a larger group or bigger stronger person, it's usually over belief or appearance. That's what has started to happen in this thread, if you can't see that I'm surprised, and given the common sense of the majority of posters a little dissapointed.

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 15:23:44

Fan-fucking-tastic! My sister and best friend will be able to get married soon! (Not to each other). Myself, my partner and our son will be attending my sister's wedding with pride and I wish everyone getting married under this new legislation a lifetime of happiness smile

Dahlen Thu 18-Jul-13 15:27:59

runningchick - I don't know. Just tried to find out but the Act isn't available online yet.

However, you may like to know that the consummation clause and the "between a man and a woman" clause have only existed since 1973. Prior to that, there was no ban on same-sex marriage. It was de facto legal.

It was homophobia that changed the law, as the 1973 Act was introduced to prevent transgender and same-sex couples from marrying, which was thought to be more likely as the gay rights movement emerged and grew stronger.

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 15:34:02

Well, if you are going to spout nasty bigoted homophobic views, people are going to retort. Thats not bullying, thats reality. If you can't see that, I'm surprised.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 15:42:46

If Goliath wants to have those views then who are we to say that they shouldn't be held. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, and saying she's wrong for having them, when she (presuming the poster is female) belives in them is almost bullying.

My heart just bleeds for her, the poor bullied darling. hmm

She can have whatever views she likes - no-one has said she can't be homophobic but she's not going to get a round of applause and a pat on the back for being one - her views make her nothing more than an ignorant bigot but she's entitled to have them and we're entitled to criticize her for it, it's called free-speech, deal with it.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 15:43:52

If I paraded around telling people that black people are inferior to white people and I should be able to keep one as a slave, do I get a free pass because it's my opinion?

McNewPants2013 Thu 18-Jul-13 15:49:38

my reasons for gay marriage is that I belive that everyone in a relationships should have the same rights.

I don't discriminate a person in any way. Race, religion, sexuality or gender.

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BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 17:12:49

Why 'it wrong'?

Perhaps you could explain your views without having to use such unpleasant phrases as 'turn my stomach'?

Bumpotato Thu 18-Jul-13 17:38:46

Obviously some people have yet to evolve.

I love how both Golliath and oreo are happy to come along and say "it's wrong" but can't be bothered to explain why they hold this belief.

Of course Golliath mentioned it's "not natural". Anything more insightful, guys?

KobayashiMaru Thu 18-Jul-13 17:44:32

you turn my stomach oreo. See, its not nice is it?

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 17:50:01

I don't agree with same sex marriage. I too am allowed an opinion, I personally find that homosexuals and lesbians turn my stomach. I am not calling anyone names or being a bigot, just my opinion. It wrong.

Disagreeing with you or pointing out that you're a BIGOT which you are, is not stopping you from having an opinion, pointing out that it's your opinion doesn't magically stop you from being a BIGOT. You can have your BIGOTED opinion if you want and we can point out that you are a BIGOT.

HTH.

Runningchick123 Thu 18-Jul-13 17:52:22

Thanks Dahlen. I had tried to look up what the govt plans to do about consummation and annulment but couldn't find anything. I hadn't realised that consummation was only added as an amendment in 1973. I suppose it was added as a result of mass hysteria and unnecessary fear of the homosexuals which was frequently the case in the 70's.
I still think there is a need for annulment in modern times though to provide some 'security' for those forced into marriages against their will as I don't see why they should have to go through a divorce due to the beliefs and actions of their relatives.
I wonder if the govt have even considered the consummation law and the implications that introducing same sex marriage has.
I also wonder what will happen if the govt haven't considered consummation law and same sex marriage and what will happen if a same sex couple want an annulment because in the eyes of the current law the marriage can never be consummated and therefore legally binding. Where does all this actually leave marriage and particularly same sex marriage.
I just think the whole thing has been rushed through without proper consideration confused

Christ alive - this thread is still going? shock

Got to love how on a thread celebrating equal rights for ALL people, there are always some that have to post just to be contrary.

Btw oreo simply because something 'turns your stomach' doesn't mean that we should legislate against it.

It really is this simple - If you don't like same sex marriages, then don't have one

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 18:00:21

What ANormalOne said. Bang on.

skylerwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 18:04:52

Weirdly, oreocookiesz posted at 1.06am that this was 'great news'.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 18:08:33

I just saw that Skyler a failed attempt at trolling?

skylerwhite Thu 18-Jul-13 18:09:41

Probably. Or else there's an imposter. Or there was drink involved.

nooka Thu 18-Jul-13 18:18:05

Annulment makes sense to me, but not on the grounds of whether consummation has occurred or not, rather on the grounds of lack of consent. Otherwise we are treading on some very dodgy ground where sex = ownership as it were. If someone is in a position to force marriage on another then I would suspect that they are equally likely to rape them after the ceremony. The idea that that is the bar to annulment makes me uncomfortable. Especially bearing in mind that rape in marriage only became illegal in 1991 (and through case law).

Otherwise I'm really happy to see this bill becoming law, although sad at the exemptions (and really really think the CoE/CoW should be disestablished). I now live in Canada where marriage has been open to gay couples for a good ten years with no issues arising. It's nice for my gay colleagues and friends to be able to get married if they so choose and to be able to refer to their husbands/wives as such. It does I think make a difference.

Runningchick123 Thu 18-Jul-13 18:31:19

http://www.solicitorsjournal.com/blog/case-point-consummation-legal-oddity

I've had a dig around and found a good and (I think) reliable article on the issue of consummation and annulment in same sex marriages. It seems that the act of consummation is omitted from the marriage act relating to same sex marriages. Interestingly, the act of adultery is also omitted for divorce on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour, which surely creates a sense that same sex marriage is not deemed equal to hetrosexual marriage and certainly that same sex sexual activity is viewed different and perhaps somewhat less important than sexual activity in hetrosexual marriages.
I have posted a link because it explains it much more clearly than i ever could, but it also indicates that consummation has been around way before 1973 and this date is only when the law was challenged and clarified.
I'm still not convinced that same sex marriage is going to be equal in many senses and is just a rushed through ill thought out change that is going to cause much legal challenge when same sex couples decide to divorce. I just wish the govt would take their times and do things properly instead of rushing them through for whatever benefit to their popularity.

EvenBetter Thu 18-Jul-13 18:34:04

This bill is bloody brilliant! About fuckin time!
I can't wait to see fabulous weddings in wedding magazines and 'Don't Tell The Bride/Groom'.
Imagine the boost to the economy this will bring, too!

McNewPants2013 Thu 18-Jul-13 19:12:00

I would be more likley to agree with poster who are against gay marriage had a bit more to say rather than it turns my stomach.

If for example they said its because they are religious and quoted this

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

Runningchick123 Thu 18-Jul-13 19:21:08

Mcnewpants - somebody should have reminded the huge number of catholic priests of that before they decided to commit the abomination of child sexual offences.
I do however understand that there are many many people who have religious beliefs and uphold those religious beliefs in an acceptable way and their feelings should be recognised. Those people who are against same sex marriage based on religious grounds (or any other grounds for that matter) should not be labelled as homophobic bigots just for having a different set of beliefs. Same sex relationships are a contentious issue for many and we won't change attitudes towards this overnight.

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 19:29:22

McNewPamtp2013, do you also believe that the only clothes you can wear should be of the same fabric? If you don't, you should be stoned to death. Do you think a woman should marry her rapist? The bible says so. Get off your high horse.

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 19:30:03

McNewPants2013.

ANormalOne Thu 18-Jul-13 19:52:06

Futterby, McNew supports same-sex marriage, I think she was showing that most Christians don't show the full quote, which they don't. If they're going to use the bible to discriminate against homosexuals, why ignore the 'put to death' bit.

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 19:56:03

Like in Uganda sad

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 20:06:12

Right, sorry McNewPants.

FairyThunderthighs Thu 18-Jul-13 20:06:43

<<Ignores derailment>> I think it is fan fucking tastic. I am going to nag my brother to propose to his boyfriend, they would have the most amazing wedding!

hermioneweasley Thu 18-Jul-13 20:09:36

The thought of Stilton and broccoli soup turns my stomach. Doesn't mean I want to stop those who enjoy it.

I am very pleased, will make an honest woman of the missus (for the third time)

Ps: don't feed the trolls people. Xx

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Jul-13 20:33:11

To anybody who's going to justify their homophobia by quoting from a book I shall add from the second book of Samuel. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women. Words attributed to David talking about Jonathon.

I can quote books too.

Rebelrebel Thu 18-Jul-13 20:39:35

I think hermione has just proposed to me via mumsnet shock grin

Ok then grin

milbracat Thu 18-Jul-13 21:03:53

I said to DH "Do think Elton and David (gay couple living next door - not their real names!) will get married?" He said "If they do, it will probably have a better chance of lasting than many straight ones - present one excepted of course! They will have got married without expectations from others being a factor and will be more likely to have interests that they both enjoy doing together". I said "If invited, would you go to the ceremony?" He said "It would be interesting, though I'd probably opt out of the late night party. If I'm invited, I hope DS would be too."

Turns out that that DS (8) has asked about Elton and David and DH has just explained that some guys prefer other guys and don't have to be like the flamboyant ones seen on TV. They look and act like regular blokey blokes DH is glad they don't fit the stereotype. I was dreading having to explain DS about homosexuality and the neighbours, but DH had it all covered.

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 21:06:36

Hermione, rebel - are congratulations in order?

Rebelrebel Thu 18-Jul-13 21:08:53

We are already civil-partnered grimma - and had a commitment ceremony many moons ago - do you think a third ceremony is pushing it a bit? Would quite like another party grin

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 21:13:23

Have some wine and flowers. smile

Rebelrebel Thu 18-Jul-13 21:14:31

Thank you!

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 21:19:32

Rebel and hermione congrats!!! A 3rd ceremony is soooo not pushing it, go for it!

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Jul-13 21:41:43

Bloody hell! Congrats Hermione and Rebel!

Lilka Thu 18-Jul-13 21:53:17

Congrats Hermione and Rebel grin flowers wine

EduCated Thu 18-Jul-13 21:59:34

Eeeee!! This is definitely a fantastic reason for a third party grin wine flowers

Devora Thu 18-Jul-13 22:02:08

Yay, I'm getting married too!

(And you're all invited grin)

Devora Thu 18-Jul-13 22:02:25

Even Goliath grin

GrimmaTheNome Thu 18-Jul-13 22:03:11

Someone tell MN we need [bubbly]!

EduCated Thu 18-Jul-13 22:16:26

I really want to hang about the day of the first marriages and it be like this

Cherriesarelovely Thu 18-Jul-13 22:34:30

Joy!! So looking forward to marrying my wonderful dp, yippee!!

Ledkr Thu 18-Jul-13 22:43:10

What lovely news. About fucking time too.'when I explained it loosely to my 11 yr old dd she asked " what dies it have to do with anybody else?"
I think she hit the nail on the head.

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 22:48:39

Aww - congratulations, Rebel and Hermione!

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 22:49:51

You see, isn't it lovely, when two people declare their love for each other?

Lj8893 Thu 18-Jul-13 22:56:25

Thanks educated for making me cry!

Futterby Thu 18-Jul-13 23:09:09

Yeah! Major congrats!

McNewPants2013 Thu 18-Jul-13 23:12:09

the bible is so complicated because i have found this as well

www.christiangay.com/he_loves/Jesus.htm

So here, our Lord Jesus states that not everyone will marry according to the custom as in male and female. He also said that not everyone can accept this. He says that those that can accept it should accept it. Can you accept what Jesus said? I can.

Sorry if i have confused anyone by my previous post ( doing my big clean before the kids break up)

McNewPants2013 Thu 18-Jul-13 23:12:51

Also congratulations to Rebel and Hermione.

ComposHat Thu 18-Jul-13 23:28:35

Ehen someone is rampantly as homophobic as goliath I often wonder what the hell are they do frightened about? Live and let life.

Relax goliath no one is going to make you marry a woman against your will or make you lezz it up with them . Unless you really want them to and you don't right?

quoteunquote Thu 18-Jul-13 23:48:45

here the link again for any one bigot that may of missed it, best set of photos I have ever seen I think.

fatlazymummy Fri 19-Jul-13 07:43:10

quote they're lovely photos. I don't understand how anyone can be opposed to other people being so happy.
If I had been an MP I would have been proud and happy to vote for this bill. It's a nice thing to do for the 'people' - makes some people very happy without hurting anyone else.

hermioneweasley Fri 19-Jul-13 08:22:43

Thanks for the congrats - I am surprised that Rebel admitted to being my partner on here. She likes her independence!

Fortunately I have been hanging around on AIBU so have got great tips for wedding etiquette. I am particularly looking forward to writing to people only inviting specific members of the family and setting out why the others are inadequate.

EduCated Fri 19-Jul-13 08:26:35

Will you let them choose which offspring to bring, in the case of them having more acceptable children than you wish to cater for?

Flobbadobs Fri 19-Jul-13 08:29:59

quote those pics are fab, especially the ones of Phyllis and Connie grin
Congrats to everyone on here getting married too xx

WOW, an actual MN proposal.
CONGRATULATIONS hermione and rebel

I am proud to live in a country where you can be married and wish you continuing happiness and love

< ponders MN wedding...POMBEAR confetti? >

As the unofficial supplier of tiaras to the MN community, I would like to offer you each one for the wedding, as a present

mumnotmachine Fri 19-Jul-13 09:14:57

So for couples who have already had a civil ceremony, will they have to go through it all again to be recognised as marriage? Or will any CPs already in place be issued with a marriage certificate?

hermioneweasley Fri 19-Jul-13 09:18:28

Norms, that is very, very kind.

We had talked about it in a "why not have another party?" type way, but no specific plans as yet!

stickingattwo Fri 19-Jul-13 09:41:51

If you already have a CP you can choose to to keep that or you can go back to the town hall etc and have it changed to marriage for a small fee. Or of course you could go the whole hog and have a MASSIVE ceremony with all the bells and whistles... me and my dp will be sneaking off to the town hall and doing it quietly and then having a party a bit later I think and as we already had our 'wedding' the 1st time around.

flowers to hermione and rebel

marks place for possible bridesmaids duties

oreocookiez Fri 19-Jul-13 10:42:51

its Adam and Eve in the bible NOT Adam and Steve...

Wow, oreo, are you actually 15? Didn't realise the schools had broken up.

oreocookiez Fri 19-Jul-13 11:02:40

I read that in that crappy tabloid The Sun whilst queing up for a coffee at the station...

AuroraAlfresco Fri 19-Jul-13 11:05:14

It's fabtastic news, though as others have said, it's simply making things normal and right and should have been done a long, long time ago smile

C'mon, Scotland - hurry up and catch up!!

Flobbadobs Fri 19-Jul-13 11:21:39

A friend of mine who was a very vocal campaigner for this keeps posting up links on FB to outraged Internet articles about gay marriage and correcting the spelling and grammar on the comments sections... grin
I keep checking back to see who he's ripped to shreds this time!

EduCated Fri 19-Jul-13 11:27:04

Have you had a look at the links, oreo?

Wbdn28 Fri 19-Jul-13 11:50:03

Certainly not all Christians by any means are against gay marriage. And there are organisations like Inclusive Church and the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement challenging discrimination and working towards inclusivity. The LGCM offers resources such as this leaflet on Homosexuality and Christianity. There are even some evangelicals, such as the well-known Steve Chalke, who support gay marriage.

Bumpotato Fri 19-Jul-13 12:11:46

You do know that Adam and Eve didn't exist, Oreo, right?

jidelgin Fri 19-Jul-13 12:20:42

YANBU!! It's fuckin fantastic - if Britney Spears can get married for 55 minutes then why the hell can't I? (hopefully actual gay marriage between Mrs and Mrs Jid lasting longer than an hour)
Are you listening Australia? The world is watching your sad ass dragging approach!

magimedi Fri 19-Jul-13 12:36:22

Congratulations to Hermione & Rebel

Please, please do your invitation in verse!!

wine

David and Jonathan are in the Bible too.

Oreo, do you like Disneyland by any chance?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Jul-13 15:34:09

Oooh, oooh, oooh: did someone say I do?? <dons wedding hat>

hermioneweasley Fri 19-Jul-13 15:38:12

we will set out in a lovely poem that only cash will do as a gift.

I really didn't mean to get the MN collective so excited!

stickingattwo Fri 19-Jul-13 15:53:36

The thing is Oreo - it IS Adam and Steve, sometimes. AND Adam and Eve. AND George and Sally. AND Sarah and Lucy. AND... get my drift??

BIWI Fri 19-Jul-13 21:54:19

We should have a Mumsnet Massive Wedding Party!

oreocookiez Fri 19-Jul-13 22:08:54

Just because I dont agree with same sex marriage you all become sanctimonious. Another reason Britain is great is because we have freedom of speech. I do have personal reasons why I don't agree with same sex relationships, my experiences have shaped my thoughts and feelings on the subject. Im not homophobic, and if you knew me you would understand why.

You strongly hold an opinion you aren't prepared to justify objectively. That doesn't go down well.

"I'm not homophobic, I just don't like teh gayz". OK then.

BIWI Fri 19-Jul-13 22:39:57

Then please explain why, oreocookiez.

Yes, we have freedom of speech. We also have laws of the land. And gay marriage is now legal.

You, however, even disagree with same sex relationships. Yet you say you aren't homophobic? How does that work?

We don't know you - very obviously - so perhaps you could explain a bit more for us?

FourGates Fri 19-Jul-13 22:55:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BIWI Fri 19-Jul-13 22:58:51

I should declare my own interest here, too. My DS1 is gay. And it makes me feel very, very happy as his parent to know that if he should be lucky enough to find someone that he loves, that he can marry them.

Lj8893 Fri 19-Jul-13 23:14:14

I'm sorry oreo but using the term "turns my stomach" when talking about same sex relationships is homophobic.

Yes you are entitled to free speech, but so is everyone else and unfortunately for you when you spout homophobic language, you are going to get a lot of free speech back at you.

oreocookiez Fri 19-Jul-13 23:50:26

I respect your opinions, I have mine. Yes, I dont agree with same sex relationships - it is something that caused me and my siblings years of misery. I definitely dont agree with same sex couples bringing up children together. People will say how great it is and how happy they are for you to your face; perhaps what is said behind your back is another matter though.unfortunately some parents dont want to see the consequences of their actions and the unseen and longlasting damage it has on a child. Even in our supposed liberal society, it is not accepted as the norm.

Devora Fri 19-Jul-13 23:50:46

Rebel and Hermione, you know you'll have to post wedding photos on your profiles now!

Congratulations flowers

BIWI Fri 19-Jul-13 23:53:25

But could you possibly explain why oreocookiez?

And, as the mother of a gay son, I would be really interested if you could explain why the concept of him marrying another man would be such a horrible thing, if it would make him very happy.

Devora Fri 19-Jul-13 23:55:32

oreo, I don't know what your experience is. I won't diss it. But as the lesbian mother of two happy children, who lives in a tolerant and welcoming community, I think my experience is valid too. When I was a kid people used to disapprove of interracial relationships. They used to say they weren't racist, but it was "unfair to the children - they don't belong anywhere".

Nobody now seriously thinks that black and white people shouldn't marry each other to protect their children from prejudice. We know that it is more effective by far to tackle the original prejudice than avoid it by not allowing people to exist. Well, the same goes for children of same sex relationships.

Lj8893 Sat 20-Jul-13 00:01:25

I really am baffled why anybody would not agree with people being happy? So are homosexuals meant to be celibate, or have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex and live a lie? And why shouldn't they be able to have and raise a child just because they happen to be attracted to the same sex?

I really don't get it!

I am the daughter of a gay dad. My experiences have shaped my opinions.

oreo if you are insinuating that you were brought up within a same sex parentage and had an unhappy upbringing then I'm sorry. I'm sorry you had a hard time.

But it isn't because your parents were gay. A lot of children of straight couples have a horrible time too.

I hope one day you can release your demons, stop seeing a tortured childhood as exclusive to the offspring of homosexual people and learn some tolerance. If you don't, you may find life l

Oops, posted too soon.

oreo, if you don't, you may find life difficult as your peers will have different opinions, and this could affect your future relati

FAT FINGERS!!!!! hmm

It could affect your future relationships.

And that is all I have to say on the matter!

kotinka Sat 20-Jul-13 01:22:29

jumping in at the end to add a YAY!! for a step closer to equality, nice one, v. happy.

PresidentServalan Sat 20-Jul-13 01:41:40

As I dont actually drink, can I still offer a round of wine to those of you who are celebrating this awesome step for equality! And to those of you who can now get married, flowers!!!!

ems1910 Sat 20-Jul-13 01:55:09

Woohoo finally! smile

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