School Uniforms Have Become Too Sexy - Is It Time To Say Stop?

(73 Posts)
CRAWT Mon 15-Jul-13 14:22:44

Seeing as the schools are finished or are finishing up I thought I'd throw this one out to everyone here. I know it's commented on before, but I thnk it's getting worse over the last while. DD1 had just finished school and DD2 has two years left and all I can say is I'm glad the DD1 has finished and can't wait till DD2 has done the same. Simply because over the last few years the uniform at their school has become what can only be described as a perverts dream. Lets start with the belts, because to call them skirts would be a lie under the trade descriptions act. Because they are nothing of the sort. They are either floaty pleated things or the bodycon style type. And are ass level of course being so micro short, with only a few exceptions. Not rolled or cut, but bought that way. So no hope of any teacher ever correcting that in class. Because they go into class like that. Then it's either tights or socks. Tights vary from the thin sheer black type to various patterned styles, with some girls towards the end of the school year turning up in those horrendous mock suspender tights. The epitome of tartyness and totally outrageous for school. Socks are black, always worn long. Knee high and over knee. The over knee type with coloured ribbons on them. Footwear is usually standard, but heels have been known to be worn too. Not kitten heels either, but stiletto. Health and safety surely must be compromised with those. Shirts are too tight with buttons open, ties hang loose and not done up either. Blazers if buttoned hide the skirt giving a view that would suggest no skirt is being worn, the same with the school jumper. Down over the skirt, whether it's deliberate or not, is the worst possible look when they have the knee socks on. Coupled with full makeup, hairs all done up, fake tan, etc, it's just gone beyond what is appropriate for school, in my opinion. I'm not a killjoy, but the sight of these girls going to and from school and hanging around town during lunch or after school dressed like that attracting attention form the older male is a poor reflection of the school. One local school has skirts well below the knee, but the girls in it are considered 'square' by the girls in our school. I mentioned in at the last parents evening, 'we know about it' was the response. I'm sure they are as they see it every day. But so far have done nothing to fix it. DD1 was no worse than any of the other girls, but she was never going to listen to what I had to say as her peers decided that for her. And the school allowed it. Same goes for DD2. Especially as it's a co-ed school I would have thought they'd have nipped this in the bud. I do feel this a recent trend, when I was at school not one part of it would have been tolerated. Now it's the norm, I shudder to think where we'll be in 5 years time. I think it's time to say enough is enough and sort this out once and for all. Anyone else feel the same way?

5madthings Mon 15-Jul-13 14:26:17

hmm

Switchedtoeatingbutter Mon 15-Jul-13 14:27:02

What would you suggest as a solution? Wear non uniform? That's just another set of problems marking out haves and have nots.

DameDeepRedBetty Mon 15-Jul-13 14:27:28

The thing is, YOUR dds school uniform code is either too lax or being abused, certainly re the high heeled shoes. Not everyone's school as you say yourself permits this. So your problem is with school management, not with uniform per se.

RedHelenB Mon 15-Jul-13 14:28:31

Polo shirts & trousers - it's funny but it is the strict blazer & tie wearing schools that always look the tartiest!!

SunnyRandall Mon 15-Jul-13 14:28:34

None of the girls I see around here look like that. Short skirts, yes, but so were mine and I left school in 1995.

And I see three different sets of secondary age school girls every morning.

Not saying your experience isn't true, but it isn't like it everywhere.

SunnyRandall Mon 15-Jul-13 14:29:20

From three different secondary schools i mean.

happyyonisleepyyoni Mon 15-Jul-13 14:30:55

Why don't you contact the school head and governing body if you feel so strongly.

The girls at our school don't dress as you describe, as it is against school rules.

PatriciaHolm Mon 15-Jul-13 14:32:44

How odd. None of the girls around here, from the mixed or single sex secondaries, look remotely like that.

its your kids school being too lax with their uniform policy, they need a bit of a crackdown i think.

You get sent home to change here if you turn up in a short skirt or those suspender tights or high heels.

HoldingHigh Mon 15-Jul-13 14:35:22

Can't say I've noticed much difference in the school uniforms here compared to when I was in school. We were allowed to wear short skirts and to be honest there were a few girls who often hitched them up shorter. But we were equally allowed to wear trousers if we wanted to. The only no go was trainers. You had to wear school shoes unless there were medical issues.

On a separate note to secondary schooling though. Back when I was at primary we only had one school uniform. Now they've allowed for the regular uniform and a summer time dress (school coloured) for the summer terms.

mynameisslimshady Mon 15-Jul-13 14:36:08

Don't let your dd wear those things then but don't try and dictate what everyone else wears.

So what if some teenagers want to experiment with various looks, thats what they do, the worst that will happen is that they will look back at their school pictures and cringe.

PatsyAndEddy Mon 15-Jul-13 14:36:56

It's your perception that's worrying, it's you attaching sexual terms to what girls are wearing.

YABVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVU

belatedmaybe Mon 15-Jul-13 14:37:04

Do your dds attend St Trinians by any chance? Certainly doesn't sound like any school in my town!

monicalewinski Mon 15-Jul-13 14:37:14

It's all down to the individual school being strict with their uniform policy; the school my eldest is starting after summer is zero tolerance on uniform transgressions (normal comprehensive in normal area) and the pupils all look smart.

FriskyHenderson Mon 15-Jul-13 14:37:15

There's a school here that only allows strongly suggestions you buy skirts from the uniform shop. Theyhave a bright yellow lining/waistband so that they cannot be rolled up to make the skirt shorter.

And the head regularly stands on the gate and turns kids away that aren't in the correct uniform worn in the correct way - there's a special number of stripes to be visible on the front of the tie as well.

Works, at least while they are in school wink

Snorbs Mon 15-Jul-13 14:37:48

Sounds like an issue with your local school.

The secondary school my DD will be going to in September has very clear instructions about uniform particularly about length and style of skirts and they work very hard to enforce it. There are also strict rules about make up (none), footwear (plain, minimal heel), hair colour (natural colours only) and so on and so forth. As far as I can tell most of the other local secondary schools do the same.

DameDeepRedBetty Mon 15-Jul-13 14:38:37

Is there actually a school uniform list or code OP? Our lot have an official blazer, jersey and tie, purchaseable only through school, and additionally virtually all the PE Kit is official school supplier only. Shirts, skirts and trousers may come from anywhere you like, but there's a minimum and maximum length, and stretch material is banned. Lurid socks are also banned. The head and his deputies are pretty hot on infractions, day 1 is stern letter home with warning that next day will be detention unless parent can show it would be impossible to replace with suitable stuff until the weekend. I don't know anyone who's gone past this point!

CockyFox Mon 15-Jul-13 14:39:54

I live by one of the roughest schools in our area, it has a special class for pregnant teenagers. The girls however do not look as you describe;their skirts are all below the knee A line ones, blazers are smart shirt buttons done up and ties worn. The inky oddthing about then is their refusal to wear coats even in the depths of winter.

CRAWT Mon 15-Jul-13 14:40:57

I did read other threads here and thought it was more common. I must have been mistaken.

valiumredhead Mon 15-Jul-13 14:41:17

Contact your school to discuss the issue.

Time for you to contact the head of your dd's school!! shock

I live local to two large comprehensives. (one of which is ds's school)

I have never, ever, seen any uniform as per your description. Both schools are very strict and will send pupils home or place them in internal isolation is uniform is wilfully not as per regulations.
At ds's school the skirt can only come from one supplier and sports a different-coloured internal lining so it is easy to see if a girl has rolled them up to create a belt.

I don't think the problem is all school uniform, I think the problem is with the management of your school...

Rufus43 Mon 15-Jul-13 14:45:39

Socks! You have a problem with their socks? Only joking, I'm with you about the rest. My children's school is cracking down, they measure the girls skirts.....then the girls roll them up! I was at a school the other day where one girl was not in uniform and they said they were just pleased she had turned up!

DeWe Mon 15-Jul-13 15:25:27

I went to a school 11-16 that was quite strict on length of skirt. If your skirt was above your knees, then you were likely to be sent to the head of year who gave you a skirt affectionately known as the "lampshade". Very wide, so you had to pull it in, so it stuck out like a lamp shade, and very long. Generally a new skirt was bought within a week.

I went to a school with a 6th form for the 6th form. I remember one girl being terribly indignant because one of the teachers had told her that her skirt was too short-because he could see her suspenders when she stood up. But lots of them were pretty much as short. Shortly after I left the head issued an official length: all girls's skirts had to be 24" or longer. That's mid calf on me now-not sure what I'd have done in the first year. grin
But nothing was ever enforced, so they kept with their belts...

Locally one of the comps has very strict uniform. Boys can be sent home for having the wrong number of pleats in the trousers. Girls have to wear bright blue socks (at £14 a pair from the uniform suppliers shock) and again will be sent home if they don't have exactly the right colour.
But two things puzzle me:
Firstly they have long hair loose. Now when I was growing up even the grottiest school, and the school that didn't have uniform, they had to have their hair up, and was unusual not to. Surely that's an obvious one if you're strict on uniform. Why don't they bother nowadays on that?
Secondly the skirts are, as you describe, belts. Why they worry about the number of pleats on trousers, but have no regulations on skirt length is beyond me. A just above the knee skirt looks terribly long.

50shadesofvomit Mon 15-Jul-13 16:01:40

There areschools like the one you describe but my local outstanding secondaries aren't like that. The problem is that your school is getting lax not that it's a general trend.

Our school forces kids in the wrong uniform to go home and change or wear spare uniform/sports kit. The spares are apparently very musty and often the wrong size so a suitable punishment for image conscious teens.

shock shock shock

Today of all days, after I posted below, I happen to catch ds return home from school.
Instead of his regulation black school trousers he is wearing non-regulation black skinny jeans shock

He cheerfully admits that he fancied seeing if he could get away with it so popped on his jeans and told his (lovely and firm but fair) form tutor that he had spilled water on his trousers this morning and was soaked and could not wear his school trousers. (omitting the fact he has another pair hanging in the wardrobe)

So, form tutor gives him a uniform pass, ticks the box that said 'note from home' (there was no note from home, I had no idea about this, having left for work before ds leaves the house but according to ds sir ticked it to avoid ds getting a detention!!!) and ds happily wears his skinnies all day. I seriously doubt the form tutor believed ds's story, the chap is ex-army and was not born yesterday, more likely he let ds get away with it as ds normally toes the line and is on the whole a good lad.... But still shock

Gah!!

Ds has just said Sir did believe him because it was the first time and he does not normally pull stunts like this....

Either way, ignore all I said earlier about school being strict and on the ball, I obviously don't have a clue...

Arf blush

TiffanyAtBreakfast Mon 15-Jul-13 16:17:01

OP, you're the one buying the uniform and surely you could just stop your DD from wearing anything you consider to be inappropriate if you are this upset about it?

Girls have been rolling their skirts up since the dark ages with no harm done, but I agree on many points - Knee length socks with ribbons on and those fake suspender tights are VERY inappropriate for school wear and are unfortunately associated with adult fantasy.

Could I ask DeWe - Why on earth shouldn't hair be worn loose? Just from a tidiness point of view, or...? What's the logic with that?

I worry more about the fact that at the weekends in this weather I've been seeing what look like 12-13 year old girls walking around in tiny crochet crop tops with shorts that barely cover their bum cheeks!!

When I was at school, we had the choice of either wearing on-the-knee length skirts or plain black trousers (not official uniform - from anywhere) to school. Nobody chose the skirt because it was considered frumpy - Problem solved, nobody looked tarty.

suchawimp Mon 15-Jul-13 16:18:51

I left school a decade ago but the girls wore skirts year round. Spot checks on skirt length, heel height, and if the tie / blazer were worn correctly.

Not a posh school either but lots of older teachers who were strict. No mobiles or chewing gum allowed. No swearing. 2 detentions in one term meant spending a couple of hours after Saturday morning school ended cleaning or litter picking.

xylem8 Mon 15-Jul-13 16:22:15

Journalist

xylem8 Mon 15-Jul-13 16:22:35

.. or perv

treas Mon 15-Jul-13 16:23:45

Our school has just introduced a new uniform with blazer, shirt tie and a choice of trousers (available from everywhere) or a knee length skirt available at only one outlet costing a minimum of £30shock

Trousers it is then!

Darkesteyes Mon 15-Jul-13 17:33:22
LadyBeagleEyes Mon 15-Jul-13 17:43:20

It was always thus with school uniform.
I left school in the 70's and we all hitched up our skirts and wore as much make up as we could get away with.
Teens will always tailor their school uniform to what their peers are doing.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes Mon 15-Jul-13 17:45:02

has always been so and twill always be so. tis fashion can't get worked up about it myself. men wil look at girls girls will look at men same sex will look at same sex its a fact of life.

SanityClause Mon 15-Jul-13 17:50:00

Mmmm, interesting, darkesteyes.

I absolutely agree that women (and certainly girls) should not have to "tone down" their clothes to avoid sexual harassment or abuse.

The bit I'm having a problem with is the "appear confident so you won't be a victim." One of my DDs has been bullied at school. while making it clear that it is never the victim's fault, one of the strategies we have provided her with is that she should appear confident, as a bully will be less likely to choose her as the victim. I do get that this could be seen as victim blaming. But it also works for her as an individual. It doesn't stop the bully, but means that she, personally, is less likely to be the victim. confused

(This is re bullying of preteen girls, by preteen girls, so much less likely to be sexual in nature!)

piprabbit Mon 15-Jul-13 17:51:19

OP - you seem a bit over excited about it all, perhaps the hot weather is having an effect.
Contact the school now and ask them to review their rules in September.

SoupDragon Mon 15-Jul-13 17:51:55

You could try by controlling what your own children wear. You think they look tarty and too sexual yet still let them do it.

Darkesteyes Mon 15-Jul-13 17:55:12

Thanks Sanity Its difficult for parents i agree but ive heard schools say in the past that girls cant wear this or that because it distracts the boys which shifts the responsibility for the boys behaviour onto the girls which creates a dangerous precedent IMO.

I am so glad we don't have uniforms here! Everyone just wears jeans and t shirts, hoodies and sweat pants, or if its hot, shorts.

JenaiMorris Mon 15-Jul-13 18:14:55

You sound like a fetishist after some grubby chat about 'sexy' schoolgirls, OP. Sorry.

turkeyboots Mon 15-Jul-13 18:19:05

Our local secondary as such a ugly uniform that it puts me off applying there. Mustard coloured polo shirts and nasty shiny trousers for both genders. Suits no one and they look boiled alive right now.

Bet they wish for a skirt to roll up. Would be much cooler!

FuzzyWuzzywasaWoman Mon 15-Jul-13 20:27:34

Don't worry, maybe next term you'll learn all about paragraphs.

Eilidhbelle Mon 15-Jul-13 20:49:30

Don't buy them inappropriate school wear then! Problem solved.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Mon 15-Jul-13 20:50:50

TL:DR

But at a guess YABU

soontobeburns Mon 15-Jul-13 21:02:27

I am going to be the only one to agree with the op here.

When I was in school (left 06) I was constantly picked on for my skirt being too long at my knees (I have always been obese it wouldnt be nice any shorter)

Now I walk by schools and like the op says its belts as skirts, sexy tights and see threw blouses with neon bras and all hair and makeup to the nines. Oh and heels too and fashion bags that their work spill out of

Its just not on and even as a straight woman I do forget myself sometimes and can think a student looks "sexy" (talking 6th formers so 17/18)

I don't agree with not having a uniform but when I was a tech we where much more modest than the school students.

TimeofChange Mon 15-Jul-13 21:14:12

The girls at the school local to me look like the Op has described.
It is very popular school with a big MC intake, but a lot of the girls wear skirts that barely cover their knickers.

The comp in the 'rough' town 15 miles away is far stricter about uniform.
I think the Head is just wet about these things.
They also allow students to park on the zigzags outside the school, by turning a blind eye to it.

gordyslovesheep Mon 15-Jul-13 21:18:33

at least most school still teach kids how to do paragraphs grin

I am 43 and used to roll my skirt up 5/6 times once I got to school - the shame!

mumofthemonsters808 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:43:35

My DD goes up to the secondary school in September at the open evening the school were very clear regarding what they regard as an acceptable skirt length. At tutorial each morning a uniform inspection is carried out, if inappropriate clothing is worn parents are contacted.

JenaiMorris Mon 15-Jul-13 22:07:00

Is ass level the approximate height of an average donkey? Would that be from the ground to his shoulders, or to the tips of his ears?

Or are Ass Levels a new Gove thing?

WLM1 Thu 26-Dec-13 18:44:44

Crawt, where is this school?

PointyChristmasFairyWand Thu 26-Dec-13 19:32:07

We have only one secondary here and they are strict but reasonable on uniform - certainly nothing like what the OP describes would be allowed to pass. They recently cracked down on school trousers too, no skinnies allowed. I don't think the OP's experience is the norm.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Thu 26-Dec-13 19:42:26

I think women and girl should be able to wear what the hell they want without men perving

I think this thread is 6 months old and I would imagine the OP was shit stirring then.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Thu 26-Dec-13 19:47:17

Why didn't I check the date.

I blame the wine.

fatlazymummy Thu 26-Dec-13 19:50:38

Not applicable to the schools my children attend /attended.
At my son's senior school (he left in May) skirts weren't allowed. Girls had to wear trousers, button up blouses, ties and blazers. The uniform was virtu ally unisex, apart from a very slight difference in style to allow for obvious differences in body shape.
My daughter (who attends a 'special school' ) wears trousers, polo shirt and long cardigan. Her head teacher would soon say something if I sent her in dressed in anything inappropiate.
TBH, I don't really understand why senior schools even allow girls to wear skirts i the 1st place. Trousers are much more practical, and seem to be worn by most females outside of school anyway.

lilola Thu 26-Dec-13 19:59:21

the uniform policy isn't being enforced. There's no way my school would have let us get away with patterned tights (never mind those suspender tights!), body con skirts or loose ties. We would have worn all of the above if we thought we could but there was no chance. The teachers carried a tape measure to check our heels weren't too high and we had to ask if we could remove our blazers in class!

This reads like a zombie perv thread.

hmm

All these vixens in their floozie short skirts revealing acres of young thigh fnarr etc.

VikingLady Thu 26-Dec-13 21:53:32

Are you sure it is a school, Op? Not a brothel? Because I find this hard to believe.

FudgefaceMcZ Thu 26-Dec-13 22:04:09

FGS, people have been complaining about teenagers wearing their skirts too short and make up since the 50s. Do we really have the energy to care any more? As long as they are choosing to do it and aren't being bullied if they don't, why is it anyone else's business what they wear?

MammaTJ Thu 26-Dec-13 23:01:36

That sounds nothing like the schools round here. Stict knee length skirt policy, sent home if no adhered to. Strict hair colour, ditto.

I know one girl who left 6th form, because, although they do not wear uniform, they were told that they could not have short skirt and low tops, they had to dress appropriately. She now works in Tesco, wear she is not allowed to wear a short skirt and low tops and has to dress appropriately. hmm

lisad123everybodydancenow Thu 26-Dec-13 23:39:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

sashh Fri 27-Dec-13 06:54:46

So your dd goes to a school that allows girls to wear short skirts.

Another school manages to get the girls to wear longer skirts, so it can be done.

But you want what? To get rid?

DizzyZebra Fri 27-Dec-13 09:52:09

At the school i went to we would have been excluded for the day if we showed up like that.

I have seen some girls where i live now in skirts that made me raise my eyebrows and i wondered why the parents bought them tbh. I would not be buying DD anything like it and her dad wouldnt either.

DizzyZebra Fri 27-Dec-13 09:55:51

Although, i wouldnthave n issue with uniform being scrapped for older kids. I dint see a massive benefit. Smart clothes should be sufficient. Uniform at that age is expensive and often ni way of making it any cheaper.

It doesnt stop bullying at that age because they just either pick on the brand of shoes, bag, coat etc, and they see each other more out of school anyway.

I think the main benefit to uniform is for younger ones who are at risk from wondering off as they can be more easily spotted, and on school trips etc its harder for them to blend in to a crowd and become separated if theyre wearing obvious clothing.

mrsjay Fri 27-Dec-13 10:02:06

my dd sounds the same age as yours her uniform is far fromsexy maybe you shouldnt let her wear a short skirt or heels <shrug> oh and talk to your school about your uniform policy, uniform is also a parenting issue it is not just schools,

mrsjay Fri 27-Dec-13 10:03:09

my dd wears trousers mostly to school

SilverApples Fri 27-Dec-13 10:08:32

www.fancydressball.co.uk/big_images1/high-school-horror-zombie-school-girl-costume-32929.jpg

Zombie thread, start a new one in the NY if you are that fussed people.
OP never came back, and never posted under that name again.

Branleuse Fri 27-Dec-13 10:24:49

I don't see why we can't just send kids to school in jeans and t-shirts like the rest of Europe and America.

1nsertnamehere Fri 27-Dec-13 10:25:30

No, it's not like that around here. My daughter's secondary is very strict on their conservative uniform - one type of skirt allowed, which must come down to the crease at the back of the knee, flat black shoes, jumper and blazer. They had a check 2 weeks before the end of term where they were all given cotton wool with make up remover on and had to line up and wipe their faces with it. Detention for anyone caught out. It's like the 1950s!

mrsjay Fri 27-Dec-13 10:31:48

och Branuleuse if we did that then they wouldn't be the right jeans teenagers are so caught up in apprearance (sp) sometimes that whatever they were isn't right that is why we have girls in teeny tiny skirts and high heels as they are trying to stamp their individuality on uniform, and the kids that don't conform are teased anyway, it is a bloody minefield

YoDiggity Fri 27-Dec-13 10:37:05

Teenaged girls have always wanted to sex up their school uniforms since forever. They are trying to tell us that they want to look like the women they clearly think they are, and not little girls. Of course what they actually end up looking like is something else altogether, hmm but I'm sure we all did it, so let's get it into perspective.

Personally I would abandon all school uniforms all together - I find them pointless. Worn wrongly, and given all attempts to sex them up, dumb them down, roll up skirts, pulling down ties, leaving shirts untucked, trainers or stiletoes in place of appropriate shoes etc, they all look bloody awful and the whole attempt at cohesive business like 'smartness' becomes a counter-productive dog's dinner.

I'd just let kids where whatever the hell they wanted - outrageous hair, the lot. My only rule would be that they should look 'decent' in terms of the amount of flesh visible.

zombie thread started by a bridge dweller and awakened by the hairy handed I suspect.

mrsjay Fri 27-Dec-13 10:44:45

och bloodynora why do i NEVER EVER look at the date >>wanders off muttering <<<<

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