To be a bit in awe of Carole Middleton?

(112 Posts)
Swashbucklers Sun 07-Jul-13 17:10:18

For having gone from East London air stewardess, to successfully setting up and running a multi million pound business while raising 3 children, maintaining a very 'family' based life, and still looking after herself and looking great?

His the hell did she do that? I want to be her.

squoosh Sun 07-Jul-13 17:18:25

I think they both did it, don't she and her husband both run the business?

I'm sure if she held seminars there'd be more than one socially ambitious person signing up.

Not me. I don't want to be her.

Debsndan Sun 07-Jul-13 17:22:08

To make such a huge jump up the classes is amazing. I often think she and her husband must have thought very very carefully how to best support Kate's relationship with Will - buying the flat in Chelsea etc.

noddyholder Sun 07-Jul-13 17:22:44


LoveBeingUpAt4InTheMorning Sun 07-Jul-13 17:24:46

Op I know what you mean

Swashbucklers Sun 07-Jul-13 17:28:36

Put the jump in classes to one side. I'm more in awe of the way she's 'got it all'. The great family life and her own extremely successful business!

I don't think they had teams of nannies and housekeepers. I'd love manage to do the same.

ImperialBlether Sun 07-Jul-13 17:33:34

What made this thought come into your mind, OP? It seems very strange to me.

RoseFlowerFairy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:35:59

They seen like a very close smiley happy family that alone is a huge achievement.

As for the business thing, her Brother and Mother had a similar spirit in them.

I think she was helped by her Husband's family and his income.

I think she has a good figure, and dress's well for her age, unlike her daughters who dress older than they are and wear too short hemlines.

I think a lot of thought went into supporting Kate in her relationship with William and welcoming him to the family, I would like to think they would have done that for any partner for any of their children.

Carole has a lot to be proud of, well done her, and she is reeping the rewards now.

The only thing I am not envious of Carole for is her facial features, she can't help that though.

Swashbucklers Sun 07-Jul-13 17:37:01

Why does it seem strange imperial?

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 17:37:46

Good god no.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 17:38:20

Meant good god no I don't feel remotely in awe.

noddyholder Sun 07-Jul-13 17:41:02

Rose flower how do you 'know' this? You can never tell what a family dynamic is from outward appearance ESP those with amazing pr.

You mean you wouldn't be in awe of a successful business owner if she were fat, or ugly, or a single parent? Okay. Gotcha.

southeastastra Sun 07-Jul-13 17:43:17

she's like soooo amazing like

RoseFlowerFairy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:45:28

I can see pictures of Carole shopping for the baby with her daughter. I can see pictures of the family together. Yes it may be for show, who knows as you say, that is the impression I get, that they are a close happy family.

I have read interviews the Brother and others have given discussing the determination that he, Carole and their Mother have.

There were reports in the press from Middleton family will's that have been published, for example there was a distant family member who paid for the education of Kate/Pippa/James.

ComposHat Sun 07-Jul-13 17:48:05

Carole Middleton has neither my curse or my blessing. I have no strong opinion about her either way. Her three children do seem remarkably workshy (not that this necessarily reflects badly on her)

I think the ' she came from nothing and set up her own business ' thing is a bit over-egged. She married into 'old money' her husband came from a wealthy background, there was money to put three children through extremely expensive private schools (ostensibly on a flight booker's wage)

I'm not doubting that running a business with your husband isn't hard work,but it was unlikely to have been started using a few pennies they found down the back of a sofa.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 17:49:47

I am 50 and dress well for my age (looks at cotton top and chopped off jeansgrin). Do I get a gold star too? (Jeans are size 10 if that helps.)

yamsareyammy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:53:56

She married into money, so that will have helped!
But having said that, she didnt then just sit back.

noddyholder Sun 07-Jul-13 17:54:01

All three kids are lazy considering the education.

Oi oi you are v successful too MI

(Read an article of yours v recently, puffed out chest for you)

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 17:55:32

Ooh BALD, which one? grin

Hilary Mantel, now, there's a girl I admire.

CheeseFondueRocks Sun 07-Jul-13 17:57:01

Weren't all 3 children at boarding school? I guess that frees up some time...

RoseFlowerFairy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:59:02

Yes the children were boarding.

I read on here that she has a housekeeper who doesn't like her. maybe she leaves skids in the loo for the housekeeper

thebody Sun 07-Jul-13 18:07:21

They look a nice happy family so good on them.

'Class jump' actually who really says that and what the heck does it mean? 😃

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 18:10:35

It means they started off common and ended up posh.

I quite seriously, for a number of reasons, would absolutely hate my daughter to marry into that wretched Windsor family in any case.

noddyholder Sun 07-Jul-13 18:11:30

I agree MI what an awful life

MI it was a health article in a national chain's magazine. Summer special type o' thing.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 18:41:51

Ah yes, I was health ed on that mag till Feb (short contract).

I'm quite happy with my little working class life tbh, simple things are a pleasure. I'd hate to have to watch my every public move for fear of damaging mine and by extension, my daughter's reputation, or embarrassing the inlaws.

Swashbucklers Sun 07-Jul-13 18:44:41

I should have made clear in my OP that I am not in awe of her class ,or moving up through classes.

More that she has 3 lovely children and a family life and a successful business. She's managed all of that, and I'd love to say I managed all of that in 20 years' time.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 18:45:06

More of a problem having embarrassing inlaws. Just imagine.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 18:48:00

Does she have three lovely children? She has one quite pleasant seeming if deeply anodyne one, she has one whose 'book' was so ROFL-worthy that it doesn't need me to elaborate... And, er, another. Apparently. She has sold lots of party hats, I'll give you that.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 18:51:18

I am in awe of my mate who holds down a full time job with three kids, one of whom has profound autism. I am quite in awe of successful novelists. I am also in awe of some of the people I interview for work who are doing fascinating medical research. Party hats - and I have shopped at Ms Middleton's emporium, I freely admit - not so much.

Happymum22 Sun 07-Jul-13 19:29:20

Yes, I agree. And I love how Kate has the down-to-earth air about her, clearly from the parenting she had.

Southeastdweller Sun 07-Jul-13 20:34:00

I like her. She's helped set up and maintain a long-term successful business and has three kids who seem secure, happy and determined to blaze their own trails career-wise and her husband who seems to adore her. Since Kate and Wills got together, the woman hasn't put a foot wrong. And yes, she looks terrific.

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 20:49:48

Pippa Middleton has a career? As what?

And Kate worked for Jigsaw for a bit before becoming a rich SAHM who does a bit for her husband's family firm.

noddyholder Sun 07-Jul-13 21:00:54

Blaze their own trails pmsl. Her business is successful but so would anyone who used sweat shops for production

Southeastdweller Sun 07-Jul-13 21:07:07

Pippa does food writing and set up her own business. I see Kate's royal role as a career. The son has his own catering business.

Much more interesting to me than working in P.R or as a hedge fund manager.

TNETENNBA Sun 07-Jul-13 21:12:53

I am not in awe of Ma Middleton at all. I dont even respect her. I also don't have any ill feeling towards her.

The book by Pippa is awful, I am not sure why anyone would buy it.

Lonecatwithkitten Sun 07-Jul-13 21:26:29

Still sends her son in law to collect stuff from Waitrose seen it with my own eyes.

LessMissAbs Sun 07-Jul-13 21:26:52

I'd rather succeed in sport at a high level, or in the professions, than in social climbing and being strangely muted in public.

Each to their own, but it leaves me cold in terms of "achievement".

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 21:55:36

There are a lot more jobs out there than PR or hedge funds. And even if being Missis Windsor is a career it isn't exactly one she got on merit - I suppose she did sleep her way to the topgrin

motherinferior Sun 07-Jul-13 21:58:16

Pippa has a 'food column'. I sort of slightly doubt she got that on merit.

hermioneweasley Sun 07-Jul-13 22:02:56

She managed to raise the most idle woman in Britain, who threw away the most expensive education money can buy by waiting to marry a rich man.

I am NOT in awe of her.

BridgetBidet Sun 07-Jul-13 22:08:11

I do. They have worked extremely hard. I know that there was a trust fund from Micheal's family for the children's education but I do think they've done incredibly well of their own backs.

I do feel a bit sorry for their son (who's name escapes me) and Pippa. Because Kate's fallen on her feet they've got the sticky end of the lollipop and they're criticized if they work for their parents and criticized if they do other commercial work. And the knives are out for them whatever they do and they're much less protected than Kate, they don't have their own press office and the voice of the crown behind them.

encyclogirl Sun 07-Jul-13 22:22:28

I am impressed by her work ethic and incredible self belief. Party pieces has been a phenomenal success and she's clearly the engine behind all of that.

TSSDNCOP Sun 07-Jul-13 22:23:38

I rather admire her. It takes more than luck to achieve what she and her husband have. I suspect she has backbone, and I like that in a person.

BridgetBidet Sun 07-Jul-13 22:30:45

Now Chelsea Davey. She's the nuts. Gave two fingers to the Windsors to have a career she worked extremely hard for. I've met her too, on the Leeds to London train and she is lovely and v beautiful.

FreudiansSlipper Sun 07-Jul-13 22:32:56

She has done well and has a successful business I am sure she has worked hard but I can not say I am in awe of her

Shame her daughters have not taken on her work ethic

LessMissAbs Sun 07-Jul-13 22:34:30

I do feel a bit sorry for their son (who's name escapes me) and Pippa. Because Kate's fallen on her feet they've got the sticky end of the lollipop and they're criticized if they work for their parents and criticized if they do other commercial work

But theres nothing to stop them working in the professions. I don't think anyone would criticise a dedicated doctor or hard working lawyer or academic. Except that they didn't study for any of the professions, despite those expensively funded educations.

Neither would they attract criticism if they made their career in a sporting field, providing they had been sufficiently talented and hard working. Again, they're not.

So their educations have ended up only providing the basis for their social lives, and ultimately (probably) their marriages. Like a modern take on Jane Austen.

Onesleeptillwembley Sun 07-Jul-13 22:46:48

Actually no, I think her children are not really a credit to her or her husband. None have had a proper job, apart from one short lived part time one with a friends company, but they certainly do know how to climb the tree and hang on. I would be ashamed of their work status. That said, I dont think any of them are bad people.

BridgetBidet Sun 07-Jul-13 22:52:04

LittleMissAbs why should they work in the professions just because you deem it a better fit? Would you like to be treated by a doctor or employ a solicitor who really didn't give a shit but was doing it because their sister might be queen? How would you feel if you profession was dictated by your siblings?

And people who make a career in sport are a very rare bunch who's career is dictated by having a physicality 99.9999% of people don't have.

LessMissAbs Sun 07-Jul-13 22:57:54

Where did I say that they should work in the professions, Bridget? The point was made that they would be criticised for working in a commercial field and that perhaps this explains their decision not to obtain any independent work (as in being paid by an employer of some kind, not their family).

The further point is that you would hope that at least one out of three of those expensively educated trio would have some form of job. Many people work in the professions, as they tend to go hand in hand with university educations.

I've never before considered the possibility that someone might choose a profession based on the likelihood of their sibling marrying into the royal family, but I agree with you that it is a novel concept.

Damnautocorrect Sun 07-Jul-13 23:24:52

I have to admit I am, but then I am in awe of any family that have had an idea and made it successful. More so of them because I live near where they started.

I watched the royal wedding thinking how on earth can they remain so calm and collected with the world watching, when they've not spent their life being groomed for it. It must have been crazy

Swashbucklers Sun 07-Jul-13 23:44:47

I agree - I am also in awe of how calm and collected they are, and how they've handled the whole royal wedding having not spent their lives being groomed or prepared for it.

BridgetBidet Sun 07-Jul-13 23:57:20

LittleMissAbs, what you implied was that if they didn't want to be criticized they should choose a career like the professions or sport and that if they don't they're fair game for people to have a pop at. And you dismiss any other kind of career as just something to prop up their social lives and careers.

fabergeegg Mon 08-Jul-13 00:28:26

I think they're good news. Carole's brought up really functional kids who know how to have fun but don't go too far. I'm not sure I'd feel the world was my oyster professionally if I was Kate. Think of how difficult it was for her when she had that stint at Jigsaw. I would probably have thrown myself into the family business too. My husband also works in a family business and it's not an easy option!

It looks very hard work to be a member of the royal family with never an off day and every movement watched. I would have had many meltdowns by now, in her expensive shoes.

Kate's dress sense may not be to everyone's taste, and she is a little too thin usually, but her clothes are very pleasant to look at and so much nicer than many contemporary 'stars'. She has style, poise, a happy smile - she's a nice role model. Yes, it can seem slightly too old, but she's stepped into a role that requires an old head on her shoulders. And do we really want her to look her age, given how most women of 30 are looking at the moment? Wouldn't that style then constantly be needing to be updated, thereby upstaging and distracting from the work she is clearly committed to doing well? I think it's a considered mood. One look to last a lifetime.

Looking at the life she had before going out with William, I suspect that her apparent inertness at times has been a considered decision. I also think it's an invaluable thing for everyone in the UK to see a solid marriage. There can be no doubt that those two love each other and work together well. That can only be to the good, since we're all deeply influenced by the media. I'm looking forward to seeing them modelling good parenting skills too, probably doing ten times as much good as all those silly BBC3 documentaries.

For the first time in goodness knows how long, the royal family are cheering us up and giving us something to celebrate and be proud of. I suspect William was always going to marry someone nice, but Kate's more than pulling her weight. Credit where it's due, Carole's done us proud.

ComposHat Mon 08-Jul-13 04:56:38

Blimey faber does the Palace PR office make you work at half past midnight?

It looks very hard work to be a member of the royal family with never an off day and every movement watched

Being a member of the Royal family looks like a piece of piss work-wise.

You have to turn up at a string of provincial leisure centres, youth clubs and hospital wards and unveil a plaque that says you unveiled a plaque, chat to the plebs and then piss off in your limo.

Mind you she hardly pushed herself on this score and she seems content to coast along in the background and she did less than almost any other Royal. She did about 100 odd royal engagements last year, and given that they tend to cram about seven or eight of these into one day, it equates to about three weeks work in total.

I also think it's an invaluable thing for everyone in the UK to see a solid marriage. There can be no doubt that those two love each other and work together well.

We have no idea if their marriage is happy or not. They can certainly put on an appearance of a happy marriage. Whether that's reality is anyone's guess. But is it not a tad patronising to assume that intelligent adults need to be shown what a happy marriage looks like? We will have either experienced it ourselves or will have seen it first hand from friends and relatives. Ditto parenting.

For the first time in goodness knows how long, the royal family are cheering us up and giving us something to celebrate and be proud of.

Yay. Crack open the bunting, wave a little union jack, adopt a suitably servile expression and tug our forelocks.

Pitmountainpony Mon 08-Jul-13 05:50:05

God so bitchey on here.

I am sure there have been many times that poor woman has rued the day she fell in live with a royal.....but she did.
A good looking seemingly very nice woman like that could have had her pick of many an eligible batchelor I am sure and a far easier life than that that lies ahead. She seems very nice and well done to her mother for raising what seem like very decent people.....why have so many got a chip on here about social climbing and the like, like she does not deserve to marry into the royal family or now lead the life she leads. Don,t think for one moment it is some charmed life she has ahead but one full of duties and criticism at every small thing. She is already doing a great job and I only wish her and her family well. I guess there has always been a baying mob in the face of others representing what you do not have.
None of us know her, just as she seems and I happen to think she seems rather an expceptional modest and understated young woman. The royal family got lucky that Carole raised her kids how they will benefit from their association with her because most people can spot a genuine and good person, and that is what I think it seems they have got in Kate.

RoseFlowerFairy Mon 08-Jul-13 08:52:43

I didn't miss the way Kate was on her Wedding day when she got out of the carriage at Buck Palace. I didn't miss a few other things Kate and William behaved at other stages. Perfect they are not, meek and down to earth they are not, they are simply ok.

noddyholder Mon 08-Jul-13 08:59:28

10p an hour in a mexican factory to produce a bloody pinata and then sell on for £13 is nothing to be in awe of

BlackMini Mon 08-Jul-13 09:14:47

RoseFlower- what do you mean? One thing that did strike me on the wedding day was during the flyover one of her little bridesmaids was very visibly distressed. She offered nowhere near the amount of reassurance that the little one needed, I felt really sorry for her out in front of all those people but with no one giving her a cuddle.

RoseFlowerFairy Mon 08-Jul-13 09:26:04

Well normally we see Kate being swooned and tended to and everything going perfectly for her, so she is smiley and happy yes, we rarely see her in action when things do not go her way. Well when she got out of the carriage a footman slipped up and stood too close to her, the look she gave him could have killed and the way she handled herself, I have seen others give a look like that, they are used to getting their way and when things do not go their way they have very high standards about making sure the offender knows, even after the event. I think on the whole she is not a bad person, I get the impression she has issues with controlling as much perfection in her life and a chip left over from previously being bullied.

RoseFlowerFairy Mon 08-Jul-13 09:30:11

I have lurked on threads on here for a while and read about people who have seen Kate shopping, in TOP Shop and Waitrose. There is a lot of indecision apparently, with Kate ordering food from the deli counter and then changing her mind and leaving it litter across the store. The fact she has no help other than a housekeeper and a hairdresser, yes it is lovely that she doesn't waste Dutchy income, she is happy to have cleaners or someone to sort out the dry cleaning etc, it also says that she wants control over her own clothes purchases, food and cooking, nothing wrong with that, just gives an insight into who she is.

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 08-Jul-13 09:42:25

Hmm in the families local Waitrose they have been nothing, but polite.

DontmindifIdo Mon 08-Jul-13 11:02:06

To just defend James Middleton (the boy), he dropped out of uni, but set up a cake making company, making cake kits - and they are very good! Plus he also now does corporate cakes. He set this up before his sister got married, although has had a lot of parental backing. He doesn't seem to have courted the press and seems rather startled when papped, although it could be more he's not as photogenic as his sisters and has less "society" friends...

LessMissAbs Mon 08-Jul-13 11:03:09

* And you dismiss any other kind of career as just something to prop up their social lives and careers*

Wrong again Bridget. As I said before, I was responding to the comment which said that they would be criticised if they worked in a commercial field.

I simply find it not very admirable that of three expensively educated children, not one has a proper paying job outwith the family network. Therefore working in one of the professions would seem to offer a good solution. Except that none of them are qualified to do so of course.

pitmountainpony A good looking seemingly very nice woman like that could have had her pick of many an eligible batchelor I am sure and a far easier life than that that lies ahead

I'm not so sure. I think it was a calculated social climbing decision to place Kate within a certain social circle at university. And a future king and marriage into the royal family would be considered too high profile to be entirely desirable for some of the more intelligent, eligible girls from that circle, who could have their pick of landed, titled gentry without the public interest. True, she might have married into those circles, but equally she might have been considered a bit ... obvious in her desire to upgrade and have only managed a hedge fund manager. I'm sure she is a nice girl though. But not one who has done very much with her life to admire thus far.

motherinferior Mon 08-Jul-13 11:16:44

I didn't know that marrying an eligible bachelor remained the prime aim of young women in the 21st century.

And I don't give a toss about two toffs showing me what their (apparently) 'solid marriage' looks like or 'modelling good parenting'.

yamsareyammy Mon 08-Jul-13 11:36:10

Family businesses are hard work usually.

HandMini Mon 08-Jul-13 11:44:40

I admire Mr and Mrs Middelton for building up their own business, bringing up three polite, functioning kids (who cares what their careers are, going to university doesn't mean you have to be a barrister rather than a baker) and giving them lots of opportunities in life, and seeming to do it without a whole load of family help/immense wealth/hordes of nannies.

I think it's telling that Kate has chosen to spend first few weeks after birth back home with her mum, as many of us might have done, or wanted to have done.

Having your own business takes guts and hard work. Good for her.

anonacfr Mon 08-Jul-13 13:01:45

It might be telling that Kate wants to spend six weeks at her mum's after the baby is born but what hasn't been talked about is the huge security headache it is going to cause.
They'll need extra bodyguards (paid for by us) as well as the local police force on 24 hour emergency call ahead of any other issues.

So as much as I understand her wanting to have her mum around (but six weeks?????) it would have been easier and a hell of a lot cheaper if she'd moved her mum in.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Mon 08-Jul-13 13:07:02

I have been away from MN for a few weeks.
I have returned to find it colonised by some very strange people.
That is all I am going to say about this thread.

noddyholder Mon 08-Jul-13 13:08:25

I agree NEVER thought I would see a thread on Mn in awe of someone like CM

Amazinggg Mon 08-Jul-13 13:32:16

Just hmm and confused at this thread! We still prefer Kim Sears, sorry Mrs Middleton x

Debsndan Mon 08-Jul-13 13:50:26


Well normally we see Kate being swooned and tended to and everything going perfectly for her, so she is smiley and happy yes, we rarely see her in action when things do not go her way. Well when she got out of the carriage a footman slipped up and stood too close to her, the look she gave him could have killed and the way she handled herself, I have seen others give a look like that, they are used to getting their way and when things do not go their way they have very high standards about making sure the offender knows, even after the event. I think on the whole she is not a bad person, I get the impression she has issues with controlling as much perfection in her life and a chip left over from previously being bullied.

All based on one look on one INCREDIBLY stressful day! I snapped at my hairdresser and moaned at my brothers on my wedding day. We had 40 guests, not a billion people watching, and no heads of state. I think she did well not to freak the fuck out and run down the aisle screaming "Get In!" grin

fabergeegg Mon 08-Jul-13 21:20:57

People are so mean. Why is it so important that we're all critical and negative? Why look for the negative slant?

- The Middletons sent their children to good schools because they wanted them to do well in life. This is a normal desire. Read loving parents, not social climbers.
- If Carole did wish to climb socially, she has a right to do that. She is not the poor man at his gate. She can enter the upper classes if she wants to.
- Working in a family business is not an easy option. Especially when it's quite a big business too. My husband works in a family business and I'd like to see his face if I suggested it wasn't a 'proper job'. Why is it considered more worthy to go and work for some other business just to keep you guys happy, when this is probably the business that she knows and they probably consider her a good fit? Especially when her one attempt to work somewhere else resulted in a media circus?
- A couple who can look relaxed together when they are in the media this much, with their facial expressions analysed intently by all, are probably happy.
- We're all influenced by the media. Happy smiles, non-tarty clothes, solid family values, loving parents and probably good parenting too - this is all very, very good news in a world in which good news is rare.

Fine, let's not order them all halos, but there's no need to take a biased, negative slant and then pretend it's the voice of reason. We were all quick enough to criticise the media when Diana died, and to profess deep grief as a nation. Why can't we learn from that experience and just be positive?

fabergeegg Mon 08-Jul-13 21:22:52

composhat Especially you. You sound very embittered.

fabergeegg Mon 08-Jul-13 21:25:54

And something else composhat - You have absolutely no idea of the prep involved for a public engagement or indeed any of the charitable work that goes on behind the scenes. Judging from your description of what you think goes into it, you're not well placed to evaluate the workload.

What would you like us to be waving? A skull and crossbones?

Southeastdweller Mon 08-Jul-13 22:28:56

Very well said fabergeegg flowers

LessMissAbs Mon 08-Jul-13 22:30:45

You have absolutely no idea of the prep involved for a public engagement or indeed any of the charitable work that goes on behind the scenes

It sounds like the Middleton children have little idea of the prep that goes into the need to have to work for a living, independently from the family nest.

Hence my lack of awe at their "achievements". I'm not saying they're bad people, I'm just not in awe of them. They can bake all the cakes they want, marry all the princes they like and wear as many twee twinsets whilst smiling cutely. I always preferred Tess Durbeyfield to Emma.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 08-Jul-13 22:40:39

yes it must be very hard to do a little reading that someone else would have researched for you, read a speech that someone else has written and typed up for you, a dress fitting from a selection of clothes that you do not even have to buy, having someone make your breakfast, have someone clear breakfast plates/cups away, iron your clothes, style your hair, clean your shoes, make sure you have what you need for the day, your car arrives on time, takes you to where you are expected to be, you wave a little, collect some flowers and smile for the press

all sounds terribly hard and i pay for this hmm

yamsareyammy Mon 08-Jul-13 22:47:40

yes but they more or less have to go, for the next 60 years.
Not a life, I , or apparently 90% of the population would personally want.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 08-Jul-13 22:57:31

not unless we become a republic i am for one hoping

many of the rest of us have to work plus pay all our own bills, keep on top of everyday chores and look after family

the reason i would not want to live their life is because i do not feel the royals are part of our society. i do not want others pandering to me because i have been born or married into this family

fabergeegg Tue 09-Jul-13 21:39:59

Many, many people have help in the home. And a PA. That's ok. We don't all have to be skint and superwoman to boot. I'm not personally rolling in it but I probably wouldn't do everything myself if I was. It seems likely that Kate does a lot of things herself, to an extent that is considered unusual. But if you think about it, somebody would be bound to label her an eccentric control freak if she insisted on doing everything.

I'm personally inclined to think that she probably does throw herself into things and have a lot of input.

It isn't fair to speak in a contemptuous way about someone who has not done anything wrong, other than marry into a way of life that you despise.

Pitmountainpony Fri 12-Jul-13 05:42:03

But how on earth do you come to this belief that Kate wanted to upgrade socially or that the more intelligent girls in that circle could get a ' more' eligible batchelor? I don,t think Kate,s intelligence is any of our business. Reports suggest she was very athletic and did well enough at school to get into university, a very good one.
The simplest explanation is she fell in love witha man who happens to be heir to the throne and she will pay a high price for this interms of loss of privacy.
I actually think there may be a lot if people who consider themselves above Kate who have a massive chip on their shoulders that he picked her rather than one of them, and that somehow because her mother is from a non upper class background, Kate is not oneof them?
Pure tribalism and very unintelligent interpretation.

I think a lot of women still hope to marry an eligible man for want of a better expression and as Stella Mcartney said...the husband you choose will be the most important decision of your career. I think it is a smaller minority that disregard the aspects that have always been considered when choosing a partner through history even if this is the 21 st century.

I only wish this young couple well in their family life to come and they have given me no reason to think negatively of them. A lot of women seem to like a lot of critiquing it would seem.

HugAMoo Fri 12-Jul-13 15:23:28

I see any negativity towards the Middleton's as nothing other than complete and utter jealousy. They have got everything; wealth, security, brains, looks, style. They are not lazy, they run their own (very successful) business.
Above all else, they seem a very close and happy family who apper to have coped amazingly with a big change in their lives. Some people need to get past their own disappointments and stop being negative towards seemingly decent folk.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 15:25:15

Me and my family have all those things as do many families and I still don't admire them. The jealousy thing is laughable

HugAMoo Fri 12-Jul-13 15:31:01

There is not admiring them and then there's being spiteful and negative, the latter of which is uncalled for.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 15:33:58

We need to move away from this jealousy thing It seems very british that if someone criticises or doesn't agree with someones lifestyle/views etc it must be jealousy if they are wealthy and look a certain way.

HugAMoo Fri 12-Jul-13 15:44:24

It's odd though, isn't it? How people can have such negative views on them when we don't know them personally. All we have to go on is what we see in the media and what we know of their working life, owning their own business etc. They come across as thoroughly decent people so I am really perplexed as to how people can have negative views on them. That's why I attribute it to jealousy.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 15:48:55

But you don't know them and assume they are throughly decent? I don't know them but think anyone who uses kids earning a pittance to make things for their business is not decent.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 15:49:42

You have a positive view of them from the same media coverage as those who have a negative view. It sin't jealousy its a different interpretation of what they represent.

HugAMoo Fri 12-Jul-13 15:52:55

That's what I'm saying. From what we do see and know of them, I honestly don't see how you could have a negative opinion. They seem down to earth, don't seem surly or arrogant, appear very hardworking. I just honestly find the negative opinions very weird.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 15:54:14

But I see the same as you and I don't think much of them.

yamsareyammy Fri 12-Jul-13 16:03:40

How do we know their kids earned a pittance?

Bonsoir Fri 12-Jul-13 16:04:26

It's an awful lot easier to work if your DC are at boarding school!

Nevertheless, I am full of admiration for Carole Middleton and what she and her family have achieved.

fabergeegg Fri 12-Jul-13 16:09:56

A pittance? What kids? Evidence, please!

Ihatemytoes Fri 12-Jul-13 16:12:27

I'm not "in awe" no. Not at all. If her daughter hadn't married Wills, we wouldn't even know she existed!

fabergeegg Fri 12-Jul-13 16:13:41

Noddy I can understand where you're coming from to a point. It's nice to be able to make our own minds up about whether we respect and admire people, rather than being told it's our place to do so. But adopting an attitude of general dislike/churlishness towards people that we're not particularly drawn to can be another kind of trap. Who was that poet who says 'he wasn't good or bad; sometimes he did this, sometimes he did that'. Couldn't that be said about most of us?

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 16:17:55

I have no real interest in them but there are just so many awe-worthy women that she is probably the last I would think of

motherinferior Fri 12-Jul-13 16:21:44

Hugamoo, I can assure you I am not remotely 'jealous'.

And the idea that who you marry is your most important career decision is utter bollocks. Got nothing to do with career. You do, clearly, have to pick a partner (whether or not you marry her/him) who does their share of childcare and domestic labour, but the rest is up to you. My partner has bugger-all to do with my career, and I have nothing to do with his.

noddyholder Fri 12-Jul-13 16:22:50

I agree MI.

fabergeegg Fri 12-Jul-13 16:28:21

Yes I know. Trying to think of some of them but my mind's gone totally blank smile

Crinkle77 Fri 12-Jul-13 16:34:02

Of course they have done very well for themselves and good for them but anyone can look great with the right amount of money. I would not say she has jumped up the classes. To the 'real' upper classes she will always be a 'commoner'

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 12-Jul-13 16:59:20

See, hugamoo you say hardworking. I see the daughters, certainly, as idle opportunists.

HugAMoo Fri 12-Jul-13 17:15:48

Why onesleep? One fell in love with Prince William, thus joining the Royal Family. What do you seriously expect her to do? Get a job at Tesco?

Her sister has, by association, become a well known face, therefore making it difficult to live a mundane, quiet life.

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 12-Jul-13 17:52:13

She had years to pursue a job/career before - she never. As for the sister, the business she's getting must be on her sister's name, as she's useless at it. Have you seen the book? And again - no real job/career.

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 12-Jul-13 17:52:43

The York princesses manage to work.

wordfactory Fri 12-Jul-13 18:47:59

Well, she spotted a gap in the market and went for it. So a good entrpreneur no?

Fairdene Fri 12-Jul-13 19:03:10

Given her money I'd have said she doesn't look great in the least. Not bad but definitely not great. She looks far older than her age but that's sun and genes I suppose. Business wise she's done exceptionally well but she should hold back on exploiting royal events for an extra bit of cash which she doesn't now need. Also, she's entirely failed to pass on the work ethic to the girls - so what happened there? It's a shame and opens them up to ridicule. Kate and Pippa are both ridiculous really. I don't get this desperation to 'move up'.

BookFairy Fri 12-Jul-13 19:15:04

It makes me cringe to read comments suggesting that seeing royals married and with child somehow brings a world full of joy to me and mine. The Middletons have 'old money' and their daughter has married into the royals. They have a shit load of money to spend on looking like the perfect family.

Fairdene Fri 12-Jul-13 19:22:19

Zara looks great, really great. She's a fab role model really.

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