Am I doing something illegal? Animal abuse?

(126 Posts)
LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 12:44:55

This may be long, I will try to keep this short.

On the usual dog walk with dd my dp found a small white egg on the ground. It was very cold so I promptly stuck it down my bra and went in search of the nest.

We didn't find a nest, all we found was a smashed up nest box which looked like it had been 6 rounds with the local thugs.

I took the egg home and stuck it in a box with some cotton wool. After some googling I realised that it was very unlikely to hatch / survive as it had been icy cold, and I didn't have a heat lamp etc.

But I kept it anyway. I guess it made me feel better than leaving it there. I was just going to l;eave it there for a few days, then give it a 'burial' in the back garden blush yes I'm a wuss.

Anyway this is where my problem comes in. When I first found the egg I shone a torch through it and it was empty.

I just thought I'd check before burying it and.....the egg is no longer empty.

Cue massive panic! I've since been told havi8ng a wild bird in the house is illegal. I'm a horrible person for picking up the egg sad and that I am being very cruel....

I never meant for this to happen but what do I do now? I've looked on the RSPB sites etc. and it says they don't take eggs.

So do I raise it? (God knows how)

Is there an organisation that take baby birds?

Am I a complete dickhead?

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 12:45:16

Apologies for typos
In a bit of a panic...

fluffyraggies Sat 06-Jul-13 12:51:53

If the egg has been cold for more than an hour or so at any time it's likely that the content is dead. (if indeed it were viable in the first place, not all eggs are).

If it were laying on the ground when you found it, and then lay in a box for a while, it's not alive any more OP.

Not your fault, don't worry.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 12:55:27

Yes that what I thought...

But it has most certainly grown quite a bit in the last 6 days.

I did the 'torch test' thing when I first found it and there was only a teenie tiny pink blob.

Now there is a large pink (baby bird) shape that is taking up just over half of the egg!

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sat 06-Jul-13 12:57:40

It is illegal to raid the nests of certain birds, not all, and even if your egg is viable, you're not committing a crime by attempting to hatch it. Please don't panic, as fluffyraggies said, it's unlikely to hatch now (though apparently duck eggs can look abandoned and still hatch, so who knows?)

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 13:03:52

It's a tad small to be a duck egg, my mum seems to think its a collared dove?

Really? It probably won't hatch even though its getting bigger? ( the thing inside the egg, not the egg itself obviously )

To be honest I was just terrified of waking up to a baby bird I have no clue how to feed/ care for.

CajaDeLaMemoria Sat 06-Jul-13 13:07:10

Find a wildlife sanctuary. They'll take it. It's more than likely that it will not hatch through - it sounds as if it was viable but having been cold for so long, it's unlikely that development will continue. The egg will probably decay from the inside.

To put your mind at rest though, find a wildlife sanctuary and they will check the egg and house it with another bird. It would have next to no chance of survival if it did manage to hatch unless it can be specially fed and looked after.

Fakebook Sat 06-Jul-13 13:10:15

Might have already been said but Some birds throw out bad eggs from their nests by themselves. I think you're overreacting.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 13:11:05

Rspb said no but I will search and check for other organisations near here.

The lady I spoke to explained that they cared for orphaned fledgelings but didn't take eggs.

fluffyraggies Sat 06-Jul-13 13:11:39

Are you warming the egg now OP? I've read that chickens lay eggs and sometimes choose to leave them for a couple of days until it has layed some more and there is a clutch, before beginning incubation. I understand that once incubation begins (ie the growth of the embryo) the heat and humidity need to be pretty constant.

My advice to you, if you think there is a possibility of having a chick to look after, is to get some live meal worms from a good pet shop (they will come in a lidded plastic dish and will stay alive awhile) and some cat food, and a small plastic syringe, and be prepared to syringe feed your baby bird every two hours! And remove the poo it will do straight after feeding.
Baby will need to be in a container with a gentle heat under it like a warm, not hot,hot water bottle. With some tissue round it. The baby that is smile

fluffyraggies Sat 06-Jul-13 13:13:49

There is loads of advice on feeding and caring for a hatchling on the internet. The next step would certainly be to get it to a sanctuary asap.

CajaDeLaMemoria Sat 06-Jul-13 13:14:26

Ah, so they will take it if it hatches, but don't want the cost of incubating it.

Well, that's something. Keep the number handy for if there are any signs of cracking, and call them ASAP so that they can get the bird quickly. Hatching is tiring, and the fledgeling will likely need a hydrating formula if not food.

Just as an aside, are you sure it's not a reptile egg? That might be quite unlikely depending on where you are.

fluffyraggies Sat 06-Jul-13 13:15:45

Just to clarify - you cant get a meal worm down a syringe, obviously, use tweezers to feed the baby those.

Syringe would be for watery mashed up cat food.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 13:15:49

Thanks Fluffy, I think I may get some supplies in just incase!

No I'm not warming it, although it is in a cardboard box, with some cotton wool in the small room which has the boiler in it.

I guess it is warm in there but I figured you would need specialist equipment etc.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 13:19:33

Caja I must admit I hadn't considered a reptile!

I'm in the Midlands, how likely is that? Dp would freak, ha!

Fluffy thanks grin I was wondering how to stuff a worm in!

I did look on the internet but was panicked and it was

all so conflicting!

fluffyraggies Sat 06-Jul-13 13:21:56

I'm in the midlands smile

If you do produce a baby there's a wildlife sanctuary near the Horton General Hospital in Banbury, Oxfordshire if that's any help.

McNewPants2013 Sat 06-Jul-13 13:25:33

not advice, but at least you are attepting it.

You will have to post back if the bird hatches.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 13:31:18

Thats brilliant, thanks Fluffy!

And yes you can bet I will be back on here if mystery egg hatches!

Thanks all, am going to do a bit of research now!

tmae Sat 06-Jul-13 16:31:52

RSPB - I don't know if they would be any good, or RSPCA if not. You can get duckling/chick feed from pets at home.

Just so you know it is entirely possible for it to hatch even after that amount of time!

tmae Sat 06-Jul-13 16:33:06

Sorry just saw that RSPB said no but maybe once/if it hatched?

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 16:38:10

Yes I think we are going to start planning for it to hatch now, dp just had a look and said how much it has grown!

He also said he loves that I'm a softy but that I really have to stop bringing things back in my bra now!

Looking... You won't stop wink it's in your nature!

I've just discovered the snail I was minding while it's shell healed has laid a clutch of eggs. Dp just rolled his eyes and wandered off when I told him blush

If it's in a warm room there's every chance the egg is developing. Keep a close eye on it and ring the rspb as soon as it starts hatching and bring it to them. They've said themselves they'll take hatchings so all you have to do it mind it til it hatches.

Good luck!

babybythesea Sat 06-Jul-13 17:00:04

Hmm, if it's a dove egg feeding it might not be easy - doves and pigeons produce something called crop milk that they feed young on, rather than looking for insects or anything. It's the lining of the intestinal tract that they regurgitate for their young. Earthworms and cat food really wouldn't work for these birds.

I've just asked DP who keeps birds for a living as it's a long time since I reared birds. He says if it is a dove egg, the chances of you being able to rear the baby are non-existent. Even highly skilled keepers with years of experience can't do it (which is why when I worked with endangered pigeons we used domestic doves to rear the young rather than hand-rear). If you are fairly sure this is what it is, then he honestly thinks the most humane thing to do would be to put the egg in the freezer to euthanase it. Which probably isn't what you wanted to hear but it would be kinder. Having said that, he thinks it probably won't be viable - the hen would turn the egg every 20 minutes or so which is important for it's development. It was a lovely thing to try and do though - far better to care and try than to not give a damn!

The advice you got would work well for small songbirds, but wouldn't work for a dove. (If you think it might be a songbird, a tiny bit of papaya in their diet helps with digestion, if you can afford it. DH raises his small birds on 3/4 chopped up newborn mice and 1/4 papaya which is fairly standard among bird keepers. I'm thinking you don't want dead baby mice in your freezer - although I have some if you do!!! - but the papaya is a useful tip.)

And reptile eggs tend to have a more leathery shell, which tends to be pliable, rather than the more rigid bird egg shells.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 17:31:46

Aww summer glad I'm not the only one!

And baby thankyou, I did think I might do more damage than harm trying to raise a baby bird. ( Have a bf 4 month old dd that would probably be put out with me! )

One of the ladies Ive spoken to suggested looking for a bird enthusiast with 'broody pidgeons' because of that crop milk thing?

I'm looking into it anyway and will keep exploring the options grin

Will update soon

topsi Sat 06-Jul-13 17:35:04

have you got a local wild like hospital to take it to? I used to volunteer at one and was often in charge of looking after the baby birds. They need feeding constantly and you have to make sure you are feeding them the correct stuff. I would give it to some one who knows what they are doing personally.
Phone Tiggywinkles on Monday and I am sure they can put you in touch with someone in your area

DiseasesOfTheSheep Sat 06-Jul-13 19:24:02

You could give your local vets a call for any sanctuaries in the area. I doubt any will take an egg, really, but if it shows signs of hatching, you can whip it down there sharpish.

We've had various baby birds for similar reasons, but it's not easy!

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 19:28:35

Ooh Tiggywinkles, whats that?

Yes Dots I have been calling round and nobody takes eggs, I'm looking into broody pidgeons and allsorts at the minute.

But failing that baby bird will need someone who knows what they are doing I think!

I hatch tortoise eggs. They can stay slightly cool and only begin to develop when they are warm and incubated so I assume its the same for bird eggs which is why its begun to develop now. Keep cooking it then when it hatches take it along to sanctuary or rspb but get some pics first smile

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 20:27:58

Oh definitely will do! grin

Think it would be too cruel to think of it as 'Reginald'?

theodorakisses Sat 06-Jul-13 20:40:56

I have seen some weird and wonderful things since being an expat and having met South African people. I have many friends who have hatched eggs and fed them mouth to beak with porridge and fledged them and they have just flown away. I would look up some SA websites

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 20:48:07

Wow now that is commitment!

Certainly worth a look, thanks Theo!

And to think, this morning I knew nothing of birds! grin

mmmuffins Sat 06-Jul-13 22:20:56

I don't think you should have taken the egg, or be attempting to hatch it. I feel really uncomfortable with the idea of people taking wild animals home to "save" them. Birds in particular seem to be a target for this, with eggs, chicks, or fledglings being interfered with. A woman where I used to live removed an entire group of orphaned ducklings from the river and took them home and kept them in her bathtub hmm Becoming food for another river creature is a much more natural than being raised in a bathroom. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with the concept that many baby animals become food for other creatures.

If this egg now hatches it sounds like the mostly scenario is that you will watch the emerging animal slowly die. I don't understand why you would do this.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 23:24:58

Wow muffins, just wow.

Actually it is not my intention to attempt to care for the baby myself as I am woefully unequiped and lacking knowledge.

IF the egg hatches I have now been told where to take it, where it will have a place and be cared for and raised as a wild bird. Also what to feed it just before the journey.

The egg did not have a nest to go.back to. It had been destroyed.

If you feel I was BU fair enough, thats your opinion. But was there really any need for the 'watching the emerging animal die slowly'?

BaldricksTurnip Sat 06-Jul-13 23:36:38

Good on you OP you're doing a lovely thing. If it were not for acts of kindness in this world then everything else would become meaningless. Ignore the gloomy naysayers.

LookingForwardToMarch Sat 06-Jul-13 23:41:30

Cheers Baldricks (love the name by the way) smile

mmmuffins Sat 06-Jul-13 23:52:45

Why does that sort of reality need to be sugarcoated? It is a very real consequence of hatching an egg of an unknown species you have no ideas how to care for. From your OP it very much sounded like your original intention was to hatch the egg.

The egg should have remain untouched where you found it. YABU.

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 00:01:23

I don't believe I asked you to sugar coat it muffins.

It's not a long post, I assume you saw the following posts as I was given advice and learned what was best to do.

My op actually was in a state of panic that the egg MIGHT hatch, it certainly wasn't my original intention.

muffins... saving one bird (or one bathtub full of birds) won't make any difference to the world as a whole, but it does make a difference to the individual who does the saving. Why stand by and watch an animal die when it is in our power to save it? Most of the situations from which animals are rescued by humans are as a direct consequence of human actions in the first place. Including in the OPs case.

Honestly, can you not see the massive difference between thugs who destroy a nest box and a woman who pops an egg into her bra to search for the nest it came from? confused One is 'interference' as you termed it, the other is an act of compassion.

Humanity has already begun the next mass extinction, never before has one species caused the deaths of so many, much less the extinction vast numbers of other species. Saving one duck, or dove, or unidentified egg, is a drop in the ocean when viewed on that scale... it is certainly not a harmful act in comparison

lastnightiwenttomanderleyagain Sun 07-Jul-13 06:51:15

SummerRain we 'snail sat' once and were under very strict instructions that any eggs should be immediately frozen as the owners really didn't need 50 more giant African land snails! Not sure if yours is a special one or just a regular garden snail but one to bear in mind.

OP good luck with your mystery egg! Not sure what the range of birds round your way is like? Think I'd be a bit wary if this happened down here in berks as we have more Red Kites than pigeons and, whilst amazingly beautiful, they're pretty damn scary! Keep us posted.

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 07:07:04

Summer it was very sad to see the smashed up nest box and empty beer cans sad
I was starting to worry I'd done something awful but thankyou your post made alot of sense to me.

Last night I'm fairly sure we only have ducks, pigeons, doves and magpies round here!

Although not very knowledgable on birds so who
knows!
I will keep you posted!

Buzzardbird Sun 07-Jul-13 08:49:00

My friend recently found an egg. He put it in a dish in his jacuzzi to keep it warm. He now has a fully grown duck which he knows will leave him soon and he is already suffering from 'empty nest syndrome'. I shit you not. He bought special food for feeding baby birds, built it a 2 story house (with Jacuzzi) and a cuddly toy so it had something to snuggle up next to. He proudly showed me all his photos the other night, it was so touching.
I hope you have a lovely experience like he has...just be prepared for when the chick leaves. sad

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 09:41:51

Awww Buzzard that is such a lovely outcome!!!

It would be lovely grin

After some more info the consensus seems to be that it is a dove. And they feed their babies that crop milk stuff that I can't replicate.

I must admit I started to think maybe I could rear him ( Ive named him Reggie)

But he has a place to go to if he hatches that knows what they are doing. If the best happens and he hatches I will be bugging them for updates!

Buzzardbird Sun 07-Jul-13 09:51:33

Ah, glad you have some help sorted. Why Reggie?

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 09:53:32

Ahem blush to be honest...I have no idea!

Buzzardbird Sun 07-Jul-13 10:07:12

Oh, I was looking for a random connection like because he was found in a gang related incident he could be Reggie crane(bird). I'm over-thinking this aren't I? blush

Lastnight... Don't worry, they're just banded snails who are due for rerelease soon anyway. I'm doing an OU project on them and came across one all smashed up so put some duct tape on its shell to hold it together and put it in an old fish tank with another snail for company as I read a study which suggested they prefer to eat with other snails around. I was going to release them this week as its shell is completely healed but the snail babies would tie in nicely with the focus of my project so I'm going to wait for them to hatch now and get some pictures and data.

I'd love African land snails though... Dp says no, he's a bit wibbly about most interesting pets!

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 11:40:09

Buzzard thats a good a reason as any! I'll tell people thats why he is called that haha!

Summer I got to hold a couple of those giant african land snails!

I thought they were adorable! Although one was intent on sucking my little finger off!

envy

How's Reggie doing today? grin

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 12:07:16

Haha it wasn't as gross as it sounds!

Held Reggie up to the light and he looks bigger again!!!

I mean how fast do these babies grow?!

gobbledegook1 Sun 07-Jul-13 12:30:15

If you shone a light through and it was empty and now its not its a safe bet to say its developing. Eggs don't need to be incubated straight away they can be cool stored and remain viable for up to 10 days.

Birds grow at a very rapid rate, I don't know about wild birds / doves but chickens hatch in 21 days and ducks 28 days so for something smaller a littles less perhaps? I'd guess around the 2 - 3 week mark.

Eggs need humidity as well as warmth, reptile eggs can be hatched when kept in a boiler or airing cupboard so I imagine its theoretically possible for you to do the same with a bird egg, obviously its not as reliable though as using a proper incubator which will maintain a consistant temperature.

gobbledegook1 Sun 07-Jul-13 12:34:53

Also as someone else mentioned parents naturally rotate their eggs several times a day to prevent the developing chick from becoming attached to the shell which will cause issues with hatching. I'd suggest you rotate the egg on its side 3 times a day to prevent this happening.

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 12:41:19

Thanks Gobble I will start doing that, do I literally just turn him over?

theodorakisses Sun 07-Jul-13 14:33:41

You are going to get so attached to that egg!

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 14:38:17

I know!

Also I know I shouldn't as all may not be well....

But telling myself not to get attatched to something is always a losing battle!

It's just fab to know I'm not the only one, I mean taping a snails shell for it to heal?
I'm now keeping my eye out for snails in distress!

( When I told dp this he just sort of groaned and slouched off grin )

gobbledegook1 Sun 07-Jul-13 14:48:20

Yes you just turn the egg over, you might find putting a dot on one side with a marker pen helpful so you can visually see that its been rotated all the way around and back again.

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 14:54:27

Ahh fab idea!

I'll pop up and dot him now.

babybythesea Sun 07-Jul-13 19:03:15

Good luck. But if he does turn out to be a dove please don't be too upset if he dies. DP has been working with birds for 20 years, with the last 10 being spent specialising in endangered songbirds, pigeons and doves. And his take on it was that there are experts in the field who fail and fail and fail again at rearing doves and pigeons because of the crop milk, so people who do it tend to keep domestic doves to foster their eggs and chicks under. If you find a sanctuary that does this then great. If they simply hand-rear like you would any other baby bird, it almost certainly won't make it.
If it's not a dove then none of the above applies!!

Looking, the envy face was actual jealousy... I have a bizarre fondness for snails and would love to see an African landsnail in the flesh!

Dp made the same groaning noise when I showed him the taped up snail blush

Sounds like Reggie is in with a chance of hatching if he's still growing. Very exciting!

Google online pictures of egg shells and see which one it looks the most like.

What a lovely thing to do. I don't know what I would have done as I'd be worried I couldn't look after it but what a lovely thing to do. The chances are it could've died anyway if it began to grow and been out in the cold, so you did a very nice thing. smile

SadOldGit Sun 07-Jul-13 21:26:49

As an aside we have an African Land Snail we call Fred. He was tiny when we got him/her but is a good size now. If anyone is in the Midlands and wants to see him..........

I love that you called him Fred grin

LookingForwardToMarch Sun 07-Jul-13 22:23:16

Haha Fred the snail! I love it!

Yes I am quite worried about him being a dove, I think I'm going to start hunting out some bird people to see if they can identify mystery egg.

I have a place for him at a santuary if he isn't a dove, still frantically looking for broody dove/pidgeon places!

I have been told of some bird formula type stuff...if there are no other options it may work. But fingers
crossed he can get in somewhere 'proper'

Can you post a pic looking?

Were there any feathers near the nest box that could give a clue?

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 08:27:02

Summer how do I post pics on here?

You could upload it to your profile Looking

fuzzpig Mon 08-Jul-13 11:52:46

No advice here but best of luck with it, I am rooting for Reggie!

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 12:00:59

Thankyou!

Ok when I get home will give Reggie a photo shoot ha!

If you go to MyMumsnet at the top right hand corner you can access your profile and upload pics to that.

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 13:27:52

Thanks Summer grin I will upload some when I get back

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 18:31:01

Ok Reggie has had his photo shoot :D So take a gander

Buzzardbird Mon 08-Jul-13 18:36:49

Ooo, he looks like a Reggie! Must ask, it is pure white? Can't see on my phone because I picked up one of these off the road the other day which was underneath a tree with a lot of ravens nests but it had either hatched or had been eaten.

looking when the egg was on the ground did the ground look as though it had been dug or scraped at? The nest box you saw wrecked can you describe it?

The problem with the egg image is its a pretty standard looking egg, so it could be any bird of pigeon, tawny owl size.

intarsia Mon 08-Jul-13 18:41:50

Incubation is really precise with regard to temp and humidity- sorry to disappoint.
We hatch hens eggs using an incubator. Our dog scared a pheasant off her nest in our field. We kept an eye but she didn't come back so after a couple of hours I put them in the hen incubator. Yes, most of them hatched but I hadn't realised pheasant eggs incubate at a different temp from hens' and as a result they all had "splay leg" and couldn't walk. I battled on for a few days but it was pointless and they had to be put to sleep.
I think you are probably on to a loser here, I'm afraid.

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 18:42:43

Yes he is pure white all over

No Binky the ground looked pretty undisturbed, mind you it was short grass so not really anything to be disturbed.

The nest box looked like one someone had nailed onto a tree. It was about the size of a printer (closest size I can think of)

There was a chunk of wood quite high up so god knows how they got it down.

Yes that's the problem I've been having, there are so many birds with just plain white eggs!

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 18:46:32

Intarsia I know he might not, but he does keep 'growing'

From what I read it does say there has to be constant temperatures and heat lamps and humidity ( and all kinds of things I know nothing about)

Ha that's why I couldn't figure out why he is growing away in my boiler room!

Didn't set out to deliberately try to hatch him. Just felt he had a better chance in my house then he did by that lake ( Or as my dp puts it ' You had to go all bleeding heart animal police on me again didn't you')

Said with affection of course grin

The egg looks too large for collared dove, closer to woodpigeon size. Here's a pic of a woodpigeon egg in someone's hand: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-dGSpkHPwnlg/T5GQyhBPkxI/AAAAAAAAAMI/uF72uRbRcmw/s1600/20120420_153456.jpg. Woodpigeons make crap, flimsy nests, and their eggs and chicks sometimes fall through the bottoms.

Owl eggs are normally very rounded. Not many other wild British birds of that sort of size lay pure white eggs. Birds that nest in standard-sized nestboxes (most commonly great and blue tits) lay really teeny tiny eggs, 16-18mm long (and not pure white but speckled with brown).

I found a formula online for replacement crop milk: http://www.internationaldovesociety.com/Recipes/macmilk.htm The tricky thing seems to be the digestive enzymes they need for the first three days. I have handreared feral pigeon chicks on cereal-based baby-food, but not newly hatched ones, mine were at least a couple of weeks old.

The colour and shape are right for a dove but it looks quite big for a dove egg, compared to similar pictures of dove eggs being held here

pidgeon eggs are a bit bigger but the same shape and size see here

There's a cool picture of all the different pure white eggs in britain here, shame it down't have sizes!

Tawny owls are a bugger sometimes and lay in scrapes on the floor but it sounds as though you haven't removed it from the 'nest'', if the ground was undisturbed

The nest box could mean it might be a barn owl, but they tend to like a specific style of box, you could do a google to see if the boxes look similar.

But a white standard sized egg could mean anything smile.

I think this mystery might need a hatching before it is solved

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 18:52:25

That does look like Reggie Gerund!

I'm not having any luck finding an adoptive mum yet just in case he does hatch so that link to replacement crop milk is very helpful, thank you smile

Right I'm off to check it out!

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 18:56:12

Ahh Summer yes it is looking more and more like he may be a wood pigeon isn't it!
Your right that pic is fab, if it only had measurements.

Agreed Binky this mystery does need solving, and lord if it's an owl I hadn't even considered that!

If it is an owl only feed it raw meat, preferably chopped mice.

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 19:01:05

shock

Dp just got a new potential job description

Gulp....mouse chopper

you can borrow my b&w cat Looking, she brings back enough shrews and mice to feed a whole nest of baby owls. Although, bless her, she's started to bring them to me live now to show me and letting them run off again! I think she noticed we weren't eating her gifts grin

OhBuggerMe Mon 08-Jul-13 19:06:51

I am SO watching this thread. I love an animal thread!

<Marks place>

I love a good baby animal thread...good luck Reggie!

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 19:10:35

Haha I bet Reggie is feeling the love smile

Summer if Dp is weak of stomach we may have to take you up on that offer!

aderynlas Mon 08-Jul-13 19:34:07

Really hoping for a happy ending here, how nice that would be smile

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 19:39:57

grin

Yes I know as an adult I'm suppossed to be reakistic about odds and what not.

Can't help getting excited and hoping for the best though!

I will keep the thread updated

Mckayz Mon 08-Jul-13 19:53:32

I have to mark a space. I really really hope Reggie survives and you can find him a broody mother dove/pigeon.

DS1 found a tiny baby bird at school and a teacher took it to the vets and last news was that it as thriving at a wildlife centre. He's so pleased.

KenAdams Mon 08-Jul-13 20:03:18

Place marking. I have to know now!

IneedAyoniNickname Mon 08-Jul-13 20:24:40

Place marking so I know if Reggie survives.

I hope reggie survives.

lovely looking egg, but very generic.

FamiliesShareGerms Mon 08-Jul-13 22:08:11

I have nothing helpful to add, but just to say I love the idea that when you saw an egg on the floor, OP, you thought "I better pop that in my bra to keep it warm" smile

LookingForwardToMarch Mon 08-Jul-13 22:15:52

Thanks everyone grin

Just turned him over again, seemed heavier but thats probably more due to my over-active imagination and wishful thinking!

Families it was a cold day and seemed like the warmest place at the time blush

Although the texts to people asking them to guess what was down my bra were quite funny wink

Karbea Mon 08-Jul-13 22:26:46

Good luck little eggie!

ThisWayForCrazy Mon 08-Jul-13 22:50:53

Aww I want to know now!!

Eggs actually should get a little lighter as incubation progresses, because of water evaporating out through the shell. The water loss makes the 'air cell' inside get bigger - this is what the full-grown chick will breathe once it breaks through the membranes that enclose it, and the hatching process begins.

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Tue 09-Jul-13 07:11:31

Place marking - I am glad I am not the only bleeding heart when it comes to animals smile

Fingers crossed for little Reggie!

Guerrillacrochet Tue 09-Jul-13 07:13:37

Love this thread- marking my place. Good luck Reggie!

LookingForwardToMarch Tue 09-Jul-13 07:32:16

Gerund I just got dp to feel it and he said he couldn't really feel any difference.

He also said can I stop waking him up to talk about eggs on his day off. grin

I think it just 'felt' heavier as I know something is in it...

Do you think I should weigh it to see if it get lighter? Or is that completely batty?

It's not completely batty - people doing serious incubation do weigh the eggs to make sure the humidity level is right (not humid enough = egg loses weight too fast and chick may dehydrate, too humid, not enough air inside for a successful hatch). The ideal total weight loss should be about 13%.

But we don't have the start weight, and I don't know what the 'normal' start weight or ideal end weight should be for a (probable) woodpigeon egg. Can find figures online for hen's eggs but that's not much use to you sad

You could try monitoring the humidity rather than weighing. You can get a cheapo humidity/temperature monitor from amazon. From a random website about incubating hen's eggs: 'During hatch you want high humidity in the range of 65% or more so that the chicks won't get stuck in the shell, but the goal is 40 to 50% for the first 19 days.' I guess that would be the first 14-15 days for a woodpigeon egg as the incubation period is 17 days. I'm pretty sure Reggie is a woodpigeon egg - there really aren't many other options among British birds, most species lay coloured and/or patterned eggs. But of course there is the chance he's something else.

I would be wary of investing too much (financially or emotionally) in this egg, but of course you know that... as you've got pretty interested in the whole process, maybe you could in the future try hatching out a few hen eggs or domestic quail or duck eggs in an incubator, if you have the space/inclination to keep them or find good homes for them once they are grown up?

LookingForwardToMarch Tue 09-Jul-13 12:35:49

oooh will look up humidity monitor, I think I could stretch if it was a cheapo grin

Honestly I am trying to not get too excited/attached, I'm just not very good at it!

Reggie is certainly growing on me!

Buzzardbird Tue 09-Jul-13 20:04:48

Blimey, its a wonder 'crispy' (my friend's duck) survived as he was incubated in a dish floating in the Jacuzzi?
Hopefully seeing friend on Thursday to see whether crispy has flown the nest yet. Will probably have to drown his sorrows in red wine sad

OhBuggerMe Sun 14-Jul-13 22:09:46

can we have an update op?

cosydressinggown Sun 14-Jul-13 23:58:32

How random! I hope it hatches, though. grin

SarahStrattonIsBackForJustABit Mon 15-Jul-13 06:56:45

Really interested to know how Reggie is getting on. I've hand reared a pigeon successfully (those on my Facebook can see his photo), although he was approximately 2 weeks old when brought to me. It's not impossible, but it is incredibly time consuming. He successfully fledged and is still living in my neighbour's tree. We know it's him, as he is obsessed with my neighbour's lovely shiny bald head grin

I have a nest of 4 orphaned wrens, which are due to go out in the aviary today, as a first step to learning how to be wild wrens again.

gobbledegook1 Mon 22-Jul-13 23:46:33

Any news on Reggie?

ThisWayForCrazy Fri 26-Jul-13 19:08:37

Any update???

my2centsis Sat 27-Jul-13 22:50:26

Op?

MoominsYonisAreScary Sat 27-Jul-13 23:01:15

This is exciting!

JollyHolidayGiant Sat 27-Jul-13 23:07:41

Aww, wonder what happened.

altostratus Sat 27-Jul-13 23:08:38

Do wild bird eggs need turning, and so on, just like hens eggs?

GoSuckEggs Sat 27-Jul-13 23:08:42

me too! hope reggie hatched!

KiwiJude Sun 28-Jul-13 05:44:33

Any Reggie update?

When I saw that the thread had revived I thought that there must have been an update from the OP sad
What's the betting that Reggie was a snake! grin

bubblebabeuk Sun 28-Jul-13 06:07:28

Any news did it hatch?

MitMopse Sun 28-Jul-13 07:45:57

Argh no update?! My money was on wood pigeon from the start, very much hoping Reggie would hatch! I think the only common reptile in the UK that lays eggs is the grass snake and didn't sound like it would be that from the description. Hope the little guy made it after all the effort the OP put in. If not, at least they tried which I think was very kind, and sweetly optimistic- I would have assumed an egg on the ground was a goner and left it there. Still have my fingers crossed!

ChristineDaae Sun 28-Jul-13 08:01:31

Marking place in caseOP comes back

OP has vanished, as in no longer exists! sad Tried to message her to get an update, but no luck.

That should probably have said that the OPs name no longer exists on mumsnet as opposed to the OP herself having fallen into a black hole scenario!

gobbledegook1 Tue 30-Jul-13 00:27:25

Oh thats a shame, I hope she comes back.

CuttedUpPear Tue 30-Jul-13 00:30:48

marking place

kezLOU1977 Tue 30-Jul-13 09:02:15

Oh no I can't believe I read this whole thread and got excited to find out what the egg was harbouring and the op has vanished. How odd.

MultumInParvo Tue 30-Jul-13 09:12:00

Well that's 5 minutes I'll never get back!!!

She was still posting on the 24th.

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