To let me daughter put 'no address' letters in the post box every few days? Or is it causing too much extra work for Royal Mail?

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FiveSugarsPlease Fri 05-Jul-13 21:24:22

My daughter is 5 and has HFA.

For the past few months, she's been telling me about a teddy bear friend called Jerren who lives in Africa. She likes to draw pictures and letters for him.

For the past few weeks, she's been wanting to post them each time. I agreed to this as i thought there was no harm. It's just 2-3 sheets of paper in the post box each week that can be recycled/put in the bin quite easily, and it keeps a little girl happy.

But posting one of the pictures today, a man and lady stopped me and said i was causing a lot of extra work for Royal Mail by littering the post box with nonsense.

DD tried to explain to the lady about her bear friend, i tried to subtly explain, too. The couple just rolled their eyes and walked off.

I'm now wondering if I'm BU letting dd post these letters? She'll be heartbroken if i make her stop before she's ready or before this phase naturally wears off. But if it's some sort of crime and/or giving the postal workers extra work, I should stop, yes?

Opinions would be very much appreciated.

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 05-Jul-13 21:25:43

I would let her do it..they sound like miserable swines IMO

Jengnr Fri 05-Jul-13 21:25:53

The couple are joyless wankers.

What's it to do with them anyway? Ignore.

Sokmonsta Fri 05-Jul-13 21:26:35

Could you send them to friends and family who could write back? Yes it'll cost the price of a stamp. But stops your dd littering the post box and encourages interaction.

AtYourCervix Fri 05-Jul-13 21:26:42

What if you had an address for Jerren? Not in Africa but he might write back.

KatyMac Fri 05-Jul-13 21:27:10

Put it in an envelope, write someone's address on it & they can send her back a nice letter/picture

I'll do it if you have no-one suitable

nicky2512 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:27:38

No do not stop! That's lovely and i'm sure there's a lot worse posted!

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:28:43

Oooh I'll be Jerren if you like grin

Your DD sounds lovely and that couple sound like horrid old grinches.

bigfuckoffpie Fri 05-Jul-13 21:29:58

I knew a postie aaaages ago, he said there were all sorts of weird things posted in letterboxes. He once found a worn bra and pants. That kind of puts Jerren into perspective.

I'd go with the suggestions of getting a real address and replies, though.

ArtisanLentilWeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:03

Could you make a special mail box together at home and then see if Jerren replies? wink
Pair of miseries saying it was extra work for the postman.

BrianTheMole Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:46

Well, i guess it would cause a bit more work. Hmm, couldn't you post it to someone instead. They could write back? You could try and get her a penpal too if she likes writing letters.

FiveSugarsPlease Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:48

That's a lovely offer, thank you. I've suggested this to dd, too. But she tells me Jerren can't write back because he's just a teddy bear grin

And she draws a picture of his house on the back of her pictures/letters, rather than write an address. I've tried writing the address of one of her relatives on it, but she threw a fit and said i'd ruined everything.

I know the couple have a point though. And Royal Mail are already under lots of pressure.

I went along with this in the beginning because i thought it would only last a short while, and she'd get bored.

But what if it carries on 'til Christmas when there's lots of mail etc? Royal Mail will truly hate visiting my local post box.

ITCouldBeWorse Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:59

Miserable sods.

I'd be delighted to be jerren as well. Or any other friend if jerren is already taken.

Seriously, it would be quite an honour

Jan49 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:31:04

YANBU but could you put the letters in an envelope and address it to a friend or relative and let them know? Then it would be treated as normal mail and your dd could carry on posting the letters. I would imagine they just get chucked in the bin which seems a shame. if I had a 5 y.o. friend/relative I'd enjoy receiving their pictures and

I reckon there are plenty of badly addressed letters that cause far more extra work for Royal Mail than your dd's notes.

HotCrossPun Fri 05-Jul-13 21:31:29

Agree with what others have said.

I bet the postman love reading her letters to Jerren, something different isn't it?

BrianTheMole Fri 05-Jul-13 21:31:37

Actually i bet there is all sorts posted, never thought of that.

I bet MN could find you a 'Jerren' in Africa. Have you seen (in Classics) the thread about pen pals for someone's little boy? Have a look and maybe PM someone who lives somewhere exotic...

Keep bumping this and post in Living Overseas. Good luck. The mean couple will probably both stub their toes. Or something. Bad bear karma.

Desiren Fri 05-Jul-13 21:32:15

My daughter went through this phase so I would use per paid envelopes like the ones you get with junk mail. The company would then get a lovely picture from my daughter.

ITCouldBeWorse Fri 05-Jul-13 21:32:17

I could paw print a response!

Desiren Fri 05-Jul-13 21:32:44

*Pre paid

x-posted with Jerren being a bear and unable to reply. Silly me grin

Doodledumdums Fri 05-Jul-13 21:33:59

That is ridiculous, interfering miserable trouts.

Your daughter sounds adorable, and probably makes the postman smile if anything!

I would also love to be Jerren if you would like someone to write back to her smile

Jan49 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:34:20

Maybe Jerren has a friend who might reply on his behalf?

CajaDeLaMemoria Fri 05-Jul-13 21:35:00

We had a child at nursery who did this. Her consultant advised that we humoured it, so we let her do it once a week until the postman threatened to stop collecting the nurseries mail if we kept putting 'crap' in there.

So we came up with the plan of letting her write to her doll and writing an address on a sticky label while she did it. We then slyly stick the label on as she posted it. It worked well (albeit a lot of the labels were wonky!)

Would that work?

PerchedOnMyPeddleStool Fri 05-Jul-13 21:35:35

I'd imagine nobody cares unless someone in the sorting office has children and thinks awwww when they see it.

I'm wondering how or why someone engaged you in conversation about what you were posting.
I would have been inclined to tell them mind their own business.
For all they know you had a stamp on it.

ArtisanLentilWeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 21:35:40

I can do good paw prints....feel free to pm if you would like a postcard. I'm not in Africa though but could look for a lion or bear on the picture.

SofiaAmes Fri 05-Jul-13 21:36:01

Desiren, what a fantastic idea.

edam Fri 05-Jul-13 21:37:00

Oh, that's so lovely. And it's hard to argue with her logic... I bet the postie doesn't mind at all, as bigfuck says it'll make a change from some of the less charming items.

vintagecakeisstillnice Fri 05-Jul-13 21:37:11

Signing up to be Jerren too

Would a cat paw print be good enough?

Could one of us write in suitable bear type lettering/ stationery saying that Jerren is travelling and could his/her mail be sent to. . . .whoever?

I can offer east of England/ Ireland/ San Fran/ North India????

Just a question, do bears live in Africa? Is it not too hot?

evelynj Fri 05-Jul-13 21:38:24

Sorry to buck the trend but I think YABU. Don't know what hfa is tho?

It is extra work for RM & I think it teaches a bit of do what you like attitude when children should know rules etc about how post etc works.

Could you make a pretend post box in the. House for her? Or use any pre-paids as PP said to send the lovely items to big companies who send junk mail-maybe ask your friends. To save you any pre-paids they receive. This way someone may get enjoyment from the lovely things.

NumTumDeDum Fri 05-Jul-13 21:38:47

Can you make a postbox at home and decorate it for special teddy mail? You could make sure the letter goes overnight and then post replies back to her.

ArtisanLentilWeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 21:40:07

I think teddies live in Africa, Quint. wink

quint High Functioning Autism.

Another one here who thinks that the couple are joyless life-suckers and would be proud to be part of Jerrens fan club / answering committee.

Life needs more whimsy, and your DD is showing us how to do it properly

SandStorm Fri 05-Jul-13 21:48:04

I like to think that in some sorting office somewhere there is a wall covered with letters to Jerren to cheer up the posties.

gallicgirl Fri 05-Jul-13 21:49:23

I asked a RM manager who said:
If it has a senders address on the outside it gets sent back. If it has no senders address it goes to belfast to b opened. If there is an address inside it will b returned, if no address then it gets destroyed. Not bad for a 60p stamp!

I imagine whoever opens it has a little smile but not particularly much work imo.

gemdotcom Fri 05-Jul-13 21:52:52

I actually Lol'd at the 'bears can't write back' smile

Just asked dh if this would send RM into meltdown and the simple answer is no! And YANBU!!!!!!!

A massive machine reads addresses and sorts into areas, if it can't read an address it drops into a 'dead letter' pile which staff try to get it delivered, as it's just a picture it will go to be destroyed sad but no doubt it will raise a smile in the office.

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 05-Jul-13 21:54:04

Oh they really need to mind their own business. BIL is here and a postman. He says that your DD's letters are scooped into a sack and tipped onto a conveyor belt to be electronically sorted. Addresses are read by a processing machine (not a person) and poor Jerren's letters will just be rejected and binned dealt with at the end. How long do this couple think it will take the P.O. to work out the 'letter' is from a young child?! Hardly an onerous task. Let her do it, no harm at all.

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 05-Jul-13 21:54:51

Xpost gem!

Turniptwirl Fri 05-Jul-13 21:55:40

If I was the postman I would just think it was sweet

I get that. smile Teddy bears can live anywhere and everywhere!

But, do bears live in Africa? I am wondering, because I just saw the JungleBook again, and was wondering about Baloo. So does anyone know if Bears live in Africa or India? I dont think they do....

I thought bears lived in the Northern Hemisphere. But of course, it is a work of fiction!

And this reminds me...where is POMTOO

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:59:43

I now have an amazing image of a really diligent Royal Mail working really hard to track down Jerren the bear so they can deliver his mail.

Possibly sending someone out to Africa to search for him in person. In my mind, this person is wearing a white safari outfit and everyone talks in a 1940s RP accent. "God lord Atkins. There are 7 letters now and we are no closer to locating Jerren. There's nothing for it old chap, you are going to have to go to Kenya and find him. The pride of the Royal Mail rests in your hands"

We are off to the states soon. We could send a jerren back

Naoko Fri 05-Jul-13 22:01:01

I have a friend who works at the office that deals with mail the sorting machines can't make sense of - illegible address, no address, address doesn't make sense or incomplete ('the queen, that big palace, london' sort of thing). Whenever he gets a particularly amusing one he tells me about it because it brightens up his day, I'm sure they won't mind smile

ArtisanLentilWeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 22:03:40

Africa has one species of bear! I googled it. The mysterious Atlas bear. yay!grin

FunkyNails Fri 05-Jul-13 22:05:00

Royal Mail clearly manage at Christmas when I'm sure Santa receives plenty correspondence. I think it's really cute and you shouldn't stop her smile

ArtisanLentilWeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 22:10:23

Atlas bear became extinct in 1870.
Jerren now the only official African

neddle Fri 05-Jul-13 22:11:09

I used to work for Royal Mail; I found a porn mag in a postbox once hmm

Tullahulla Fri 05-Jul-13 22:15:30

You're wee girl is doing absolutely no harm to anyone, as already said, her wee letters will be binned - but she doesn't know that. She's not expecting a reply as her bear can't write back - I think it's rather sweet (smile)

PigOnStilts Fri 05-Jul-13 22:15:46

I think it's a Shame to send all that hard work off into the have to address it even just back to'd be so happy to have all that in years time.

vintagecakeisstillnice Fri 05-Jul-13 22:18:08

Ohh Catgirl1976 I now have that image too.

But its all in black and white, and very very serious.

Sadly, (though the vodka may be to blame here) I can also see Jerren Bear pacing though the undergrowth/overgrowth wondering where his letters are.

Cursing Royal Mail; wondering if he should start a thread: Royal Mail; How crap are they!

I mean really there's only one species of me in this WHOLE continent, they could ask around. . .

Realises she’s getting too involved and backs away. .

MistyB Fri 05-Jul-13 22:21:14

catgirl that's the bones of a great book.

There is a MN children's illustrator who has done something for another MN daughter.

I think it should start with the grumpy people not believing in Jerren and ending with Jerren being found and somehow being confronted with evidence of his existence, though of course would need a wink at then end as we all really know that Jerren is really just a teddy bear.

HFA with a cracking sense of imagination, op, your daughter sounds lovely!

(and what on earth do the grumpy people think at Christmas, do they hang out a post boxes telling young children that Father Christmas doesn't exist and not to waste the Royal Mail's resources!)

Tullahulla Fri 05-Jul-13 22:21:32

Oh and next time you see the do gooders, tell them to naff off! Believe me, when my son was 5 he was putting much worse things in the post box! Unbeknown to me him and his wee pal were pouring strawberry milkshake in one.
For years I sent letter to my gran, loving written on my Wombles stationary with no stamp on it, she just paid when her postman delivered and never told me for years.
Of course, now I'm an adult and a manager in a P.O, I am much more responsible!

Purple2012 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:21:44

Could Jerren have a little girl owner who writes back saying how much Jerren likes the letters and pictures?

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:22:00

YY vintage smile Black and white and fritfully serious

But now I too can see a forlorn Jerren looking wistfully out over the Savannah

steppemum Fri 05-Jul-13 22:24:48

OP - do you think Jerren might have friends who like to write to jerren's human friend???

She could get photos of teddies with a message form all over the place, and then she could send a letter back. Jerren's friends might even pass on her pictures to Jerren

I would happily take a photo of a bear and send a message to jerren via your dd!

BridgetBidet Fri 05-Jul-13 22:31:52

I bet she gets a letter back from 'Jerren' in the not too distant future. You'd have to be totally heartless not to see it for the lovely thing it is.

WhiteBirdBlueSky Fri 05-Jul-13 22:33:17

That film sounds like a classic catgirl.

ParadiseChick Fri 05-Jul-13 22:34:54

That's so sweet tell the old couple to fuck off

I like to think the postie has then ask pinned up in his wee howf.

inneedofrain Fri 05-Jul-13 22:37:06

I think it is a lovely idea

I would be most happy to write back from Jarred's friend

I'm well practiced writing note from Santa, fairies all sorts me

BriansBrain Fri 05-Jul-13 22:37:43

You could send your daughters pictures to a willing friend who eventually sends the letters all back to your daughter with a Jerren visiting for its holidays!

rockybalboa Fri 05-Jul-13 22:40:09

Aw, that's cute! Screw the sticky beaks. I'd happily write back too (although I'm not in Africa...)

Melfish Fri 05-Jul-13 22:43:00

What a miserable pair of old farts! What business is it of theirs- I take it they weren't RM staff. If the posties just bin letters like that via their sorting machine then it is hardly onerous. FGS DH posted his hat when he was a kid, then got a fit of remorse and had to wait by the postbox for the postman to appear and rescue it for him.
Let DD keep on posting!

vintagecakeisstillnice Fri 05-Jul-13 22:46:53

Oh I'm welling up here at poor old Jerren doing that 1940/50s hitch in the voice while looking wistfully out over the Savannah.

(You know what I mean, all very Brief Encounter)

Scene goes all black and white:

Imagine a sturdy 30ish bear , well groomed with a raffish touch about him, tempered with a hint of deep deep sadness.

He and friends are having the usual Ex-Pat G & T chat and someone crass enough asks why he doesn’t have a friend.

(I want to say owner here because you own your teddy bear but. . . . )

And he says:

I once had a young lady who was so good as to write to me from the old country. (Wistful look at pic of Queen E)

One Day,

One Day,

I will show her what her faith in me accomplished.

She made me a better Bear

Fade to black with rousing music. . .

BridgetBidet Fri 05-Jul-13 22:49:04

I had letters from Spiderman posted to me from the top of the empire state building when I was little. You should get someone to write back and post it when they're on holiday if you can?

youmeatsix Fri 05-Jul-13 22:50:08

i think that is so sweet, the couple should mind their own business. I would be sending them to a relative, you could make them into a book for her for when she is older, it would make a fabulous keepsake

Beaverfeaver Fri 05-Jul-13 22:53:37

I would like to think the posties enjoy receiving the letters and have the pictures up on their pin board in te post office.

Please don't stop posting them in the letter box as otherwise you might upset the posties

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:56:05

vintage - we must have the same mind or vodka - that is exactly it grin

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:57:14

Misty - I think I might write it (with royalties to FiveSugars DD grin )

FiveSugarsPlease Fri 05-Jul-13 23:07:59


The story made me laugh! I'll definitely be telling it to dd tomorrow.

Thank you for all the offers of being Jerren(s).

But dd is very picky, and i think the reason she likes not having a reply (aside the fact from him just being a teddy bear and thus incapable of writing), is that she likes it to all be on her terms. So if Jerren was to spontaneously reply, he might say the wrong thing, or might draw the wrong picture. So far it's all in her own mind, he thinks and acts exactly as she wants him to, and that's what's keeping her happy.


I love all of these ideas.

I'll try and suggest the homemade postbox to her tomorrow, but she's very clever and will forever watch it until a postman comes to collect her mail.

She puts an awful lot of thought and passion into each of Jerren's letters, and it would be lovely to keep a few of them (not enough room for them all) to look back on when she's older. I might sneakily add on my own address to a few and put them in my big cardboard box of sentimental stuff when they get posted back to us.

You're all lovely thanks

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 05-Jul-13 23:09:27

I have it on very good authority (In fact the country's leading expert in teddy bears called jerren) that every single one ( some complicated sciencey stuff about evolution but started being noticed in about 1899 and first documented by dr H Stieff) is quite compatant in several methods of communication.

This includes but is not limited to a very interesting picture board and photo combo type of tapping system that enables them to hold a full conversation and express there needs. As an aside they are also well known for being very charming as a result of these unique skills there has for some time been a gov grant that is available to all bears apon reaching the age of 3 years and 2 months to enable them to fund a scribe sadly there are only about 50 fully trained scribes in the entire country who are licensed and able to accept work as the grant is paid by a voucher system but they do offer a very attractive training package if anyone's interested.

The scribes work from very well advertised comunity centres so are easy to find.

Due to the charming nature of these bears the scribes are very used to replying to the many letters the bears recive ( they even have a section on it in the course)

I know its not the done thing on MN to refer to previous threads but I'm sure MNHQ will make an exception under these circumstances but I'm sure that all 7 of the country's leading scribe trainers are actually mumsnetters as is the great great great great granddaughter of dr H Stieff who may have inherited the documentation that proves this great talent.

I'm only shocked that such educated obvious jerren fans are unaware of this fact.

I used to do this blush grin
I used to write to Care Bears, not even the proper ones, ones I'd made up. I had a really vivid imagination as a child and used to love writing and drawing to them then posting them on. My mum just humoured me.

Let her carry on, it won't be forever, the couple were a pair of misery guts.
I don't do it these days grin, and it's now a fond (but embarrassing) story my mum likes to tell from time to time.
I had totally forgotten about it until I read this thread.

Robinredboobs Fri 05-Jul-13 23:26:02

I think you should put the letters in an envelope and pay for a stamp. That way you are teaching her how to post letters correctly and at the same time paying to use the service (even though they won't end up anywhere). Putting sheets of paper in the post box? No I don't think that's on really. I secong getting a family or friend to receive the letters then she will be really happy when the reply comes back from "Africa".

Have you read the op's posts properly Robin?

Thought not.

Robinredboobs Fri 05-Jul-13 23:31:59

Care to explain, Alex? Or just want to be a bitch?

A bitch? Gosh you're easily offended.

The op has clearly stated that her daughter doesn't expect, nor want a reply from Jerren. It keeps her happy to be in control of the letter writing.

She's only a child and it's really not doing any harm. She wont be doing it forever, and a previous poster has explained that the letter sorting is machine operated so the letters will probably end up in the recycling pile without a human even laying eyes upon them. (Though I too secretly hope there's a 'Jerren wall' in a sorting office somewhere).

vintagecakeisstillnice Fri 05-Jul-13 23:42:43

I really really want a Jerren wall.

Is anyone else starting to really like the name Jerren??

I think I will rename my notice board a "Jerren board" - this is where I put random "bits of nice" grin

Robinredboobs Fri 05-Jul-13 23:43:58

People bolding out sarky replies usually does rub me up the wrong way, yes. I've just seen her reply now my tablet was open on the posting page for a while before I posted. I realize its not a massive problem and also think its quite sweet. Just see it as an opportunity to learn how the mail service works and that's its not OK to put random stuff in a post box!

vkinski Fri 05-Jul-13 23:47:48

Miserable old scrotums! I would have told them to piss off.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

herethereandeverywhere Fri 05-Jul-13 23:57:20

Life needs more whimsy, and your DD is showing us how to do it properly

^ this^

vintagecakeisstillnice Fri 05-Jul-13 23:58:59

Life needs more whimsy, and your DD is showing us how to do it properly


SweetBabyJebus Sat 06-Jul-13 00:15:17

Quint, I'm pretty sure jungle book was set in India, not Africa, otherwise how do you explain Shere Kahn - there are no tigers in Africa!

Yeah, I know it was set in India, but Africa is sort of the same south, so figured if there are no bears in India, there probably are no bears in Africa either. It was just one of those throwaway thoughts that sometimes enter your head!

AcrylicPlexiglass Sat 06-Jul-13 00:57:42

Jerren is a fab name for a Long live the post box pictures.

EduCated Sat 06-Jul-13 01:28:55

When I was about 17 me and my friend used to write messages to the RM staff telling them to have a nice day blush

I think it's sweet and pretty bloody harmless for th extra second of time it might take out of someone's day.

Jacksmania Sat 06-Jul-13 01:36:43

We have bears here in Canada smile

In fact, one of my friends who lives 5 mind away and on a busy steeet just had one stroll through her back yard this morning shock[a little too close for comfort]shock.

I'd happily be Jerren for her. If she's very picky about a reply, I'd gladly take direction grin

Jacksmania Sat 06-Jul-13 01:37:17

mind => mins (minutes)

Bloody autocorrect.

sashh Sat 06-Jul-13 04:03:17

Contact the sorting office, and tell them to dump the letters. I think they have to try to deliver letters even without an address, if they know she is not waiting for a reply they can just bin them.

marchduck Sat 06-Jul-13 07:55:03

Reading about Jerren has made my day - your DD sounds lovely!
My DD (4) has autism. Her language is fairly functional; she hasn't really talked to me about her thoughts or feelings so far, but I'm hopeful someday she will. When she goes to bed, she lies there with a big smile on her face - I'd really like to know what she is thinking about. I'd love to think that she is thinking about her own version of Jerren smile
It's lovely your DD gets so much happiness from her letters; long may it last.

Sokmonsta Sat 06-Jul-13 08:05:02

When I originally posted I said put a stamp on it. But seeing as people have posted that there are a) worse things going into a post box and b) it probably makes the postie smile, there's probably no harm in doing it. Although I'm sure there are people who would love to be jerren and receive even if jerren cannot write back.

Dd cones home from school with so many pictures these days that I've taken to doing as I think someone on mn has suggested and posting the older pictures out to close friends and family, displaying the latest one. It certainly brings joy to elderly relatives and friends on the other side of the world.

WaitMonkey Sat 06-Jul-13 08:12:35

I love this thread so much.*Op*, your daughter sounds

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Sat 06-Jul-13 08:42:01

Ahhh, tis a lovely thing to do, next time take a stick to poke the Poe faced away from the Whimsy smile

I'd be defo trying to sneak an address & stamp on so I get to keep a few though, can you put them on the other side from the drawings, or do the drawings cover everything?

thefuturesnotourstosee Sat 06-Jul-13 09:11:21

They sound miserable. DD would love to be Jerren. She's a great drawer and I'm sure she'd send a lovely letter.

When dd was 4 she posted a letter to my mum. She decorated an A4 envelope, wrote the address herself and basically put loads of time and effort into it. - stickers, glitter, drawings After all that we forgot the stamp blush but it was delivered anyway. The postman knocked on my mums door and told her that someone had decided it was so lovely they'd had it all sent through the system, the delivery office had treated it carefully not putting it through machines and it had been given to him seperately from all the other mail so it didn't get knocked about in his bag. There are some lovely people working in the system really. Mum still has that envelope smile

LondonMan Sat 06-Jul-13 09:30:14

But, do bears live in Africa? I am wondering, because I just saw the JungleBook again, and was wondering about Baloo. So does anyone know if Bears live in Africa or India? I dont think they do....

Jungle Book is set in India. No bears in Africa as far as I know. (See someone has already point out that the tigers occur in India but not Africa.)

LondonMan Sat 06-Jul-13 09:33:20

After a quick Google

Indian bear info

Apparently there used to be a African bear, now extinct.

Spermysextowel Sat 06-Jul-13 10:44:34

I can see the 'Olds' point. For many of them post is still their preferred/only method of contact & costs have risen massively. One child's unaddressed letter that has to be sent to Ireland is one thing; multiply it and it's another & it has to be paid for. I doubt the postmen find them amusing or endearing after the many they've seen. They're probably just glad it's not poo they're dealing with.

When I was 8 I exchanged letters with a friend in an envelope barely big enough to contain the stamp. After about 6 of these the post man complained to my parents & we were severely told off.

Both your daughter & Jerren sound adorable, & quashing her very imaginative talent would be a crime, but I think those who have posted derogatory remarks about the couple concerned are being a little one-sided.

mrsjay Sat 06-Jul-13 10:46:48

och no kids post santa letters every year and they are not addressed bless her dont stop doing it and don't listen do grumpy buggers

Samu2 Sat 06-Jul-13 10:53:12

Maybe I am hormonal but I actually cried at the sweetness of this


I bet the posties love it. Years ago when I lived abroad my dad's mate was a postie, and he mentioned to my dad that postcards are very popular in the sorting office - breaks the monotony apparently!

After that I used to send the odd one addressed to the "nosy posties" and used to get a reply pushed through my mums letter box, which she would then forward! smile

In my experience, postal workers are not joyless bastards, unlike the couple who told you off! smile

edam Sat 06-Jul-13 11:16:39

Spermy, the costs of postage have gone up because the government wants to privatise Royal Mail. It is nothing to do with children. And plenty of people who have worked in the postal service have been on this thread saying the posties won't mind or will actively enjoy it.

The miserable bastards were just miserable, nosy bastards.

ApocalypseThen Sat 06-Jul-13 11:28:21

If you are worried about adding to the postma's workload, just note the pickup times and be there to meet him with this story and a box of chocolates for his extra trouble.

He'll never mind a bit after that.

BookieMonster Sat 06-Jul-13 11:30:47

OP, if you think your DD might like to hear from Jerren's other penpal, a koala from Oz, let me know. He's not big on conversation, or any other activity, but he can send some lovely pictures.
BTW, YANBU. My DS has just started writing and unbeknownst to me has been writing letters to our neighbours and popping them in their letter boxes. They are all delighted by them and have been writing back with funny stories and pictures.

TigerSwallowTail Sat 06-Jul-13 11:42:59

she tells me Jerren can't write back because he's just a teddy bear

grin that is hilarious. My son has AS and makes comments like this all the time too, if he's dressed up as Spider-Man for instance and someone says 'oh look it's Spider-Man' he gets all annoyed and corrects them as it's just a costume, this sounds like something he'd say too.

mrsjay Sat 06-Jul-13 11:47:20

Maybe stick a note from you on the letter to jerren explaining what it is all about, bet it makes the posties day and I probably think they have a little shrine of letters like this at the sorting office

Spermysextowel Sat 06-Jul-13 12:00:01

Erm, 2 posters know RM workers who have explained what happens to unaddressed mail. No Posties have said it's sweet/amusing. I know the rising cost can't be attributed to children shoving stuff in the post box, tho it's not going to help, but I can appreciate that users of the service don't like to see it abused, which is why I'm sticking up for the 'nosey
beak' couple.

WestieMamma Sat 06-Jul-13 12:10:27

My dad was a manager at a large sorting office. Every Christmas they employed a casual worker to reply to all the santa letters that came their way. Posties have hearts too.

Having worked in a large sorting office as a casual and being placed on the reject sorting frame the frame where all letters are resorted from the large tumble dryer manchine that was mentioned up thread i wouldnt mind postcards are always a good read.
Its quite slow at this time year too

SelectAUserName Sat 06-Jul-13 12:33:27

This is one of the loveliest threads I have read on MN.

I'm picturing Jerren's fridge (very important in Africa, a decent fridge) covered in FiveSugars's DD's letters and showing them to all his visitors in the slightly showy-offy but endearing manner of a benevolent great-uncle..."From my penpal in England, donchyerknow. Lovely little girl, writes regularly. Postie does a dashed fine job of getting them to me, all sorts of Royal Mail jiggery-pokery"...

edam Sat 06-Jul-13 13:13:59

spermy, there were at least four before you posted, plus another two since.

TNETENNBA Sat 06-Jul-13 13:20:21

I wouldn't let my DD do this if I was the OP. I would not want to cause any inconvenience for the postie. I know they have to work really hard.

I would find another way around it. Either by sending real letters or setting up a pretend box.

honeytea Sat 06-Jul-13 13:24:12

What a lovely story! I send greetings from Jerren's Swedish cousins.

I visited "Santa's post office" on the arctic circle in Finland. There were lots of letters displayed many of the envelopes had "Santa, arctic circle" or just "father Christmas" or "the north pole" it was so touching that postal workers had worked to send those letters with such vague addresses on. There was a lovely envelope which had no writing or stamp on just a children's drawing of father Christmas.

chipmonkey Sat 06-Jul-13 14:05:43

I think it's lovely and the old couple sound like horrible old killjoys. There's a couple like that on every street.

TabithaStephens Sat 06-Jul-13 14:17:29

what would happen if every child did this?

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 06-Jul-13 15:08:06

Apsolutly bugger all would happen if every single child did it much the same as now when lots and lots of them do.

WestieMamma Sat 06-Jul-13 16:15:14

what would happen if every child did this?

The world would fill up with childhood magic and we'd all live happily ever after.

chipmonkey Sat 06-Jul-13 19:49:29

And how likely is it that every child will do this?

parkin2010 Sat 06-Jul-13 20:31:11

Miserable sods! Keep doing it, you sound a lovely mum x

evelynj Sun 07-Jul-13 11:54:12

Sorry-I missed that you are adding stamps, (unless this has been assumed). Sweet as it is, we do need to pay for RM & the admin costs money of working out what is, (to the RM employees who will have no sentimental attachment to other children's letters), rubbish, from items that are expecting to be delivered. So as long as you're adding a stamp then I think it's fine as this Should cover the extra work as a stamp is pretty expensive now!

Wbdn28 Sun 07-Jul-13 12:40:55

Agree that finding Jerren a real address would be best all round.

krasnayaploshad Sun 07-Jul-13 14:33:32

I'm on the fence with this one. On the one hand, what's the harm, it makes a little girl happy. On the other hand, I think what happens if lots of people / children do this kind of thing? Will it put the mail service under extra strain? I know others have said it's no problem, but I still can't help considering that side.
I think the idea of putting a friend or relative's address on the envelope is a good one. Incidentally, Royal Mail will reply to Santa letters if they are sent to a special address. See here for details

(apologies if someone has already mentioned it, I haven't read all the replies)

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes Sun 07-Jul-13 14:40:24

can you still get those post office sets? I used to have one with its own little stamps and envelopes and a little counter, one of these would be great and yes agree make a post box or buy a toy version for your hallway. if Jerren can't write back as he is a teddy bear could one of his friends? can he draw or send postcards? could he become a travelling bear who sends postcards every week from all over thw world (courtesy of Mnetter's) or is she just happy posting into the big box? can't think it creates too much fuss tbh as it will get filtered out and dumped but a shame to lose her lovely work.

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