No class trip

(48 Posts)
MildlyMiserable Tue 02-Jul-13 16:24:36

AIBU to have emailed the school and asked why not?
I approached the teacher today to ask when/where to be told there was no class trip and she doesn't know why.
I feel conned, we have bake sales for each class every half term and were told these go toward class outings. The last sale was 2 Fridays ago, I supplied and my parents bought - as we always do. The newsletter was very specific that proceeds would go towards the class trip.
I have emailed asking the office if they could enlighten me, why there is no trip and if the trip/money raised will be carried over to next year.
AIBU to thnk if I put the effort in when asked, why can't they?
Sorry to write and run, am cross and late for swimming - argh!

No, YANBU to ask where the money that YOU have raised for a trip has gone. There may be a million reasons why for some reason it isn't practical to have one, but if parents have put the effort in to fund it then they are due an explanation.

Caitycat Tue 02-Jul-13 16:29:11

I was going to say yabu based on the title as I don't think these things are essential but agree that if you have raised funds you are entitled to know where they are going. Let us know!

MildlyMiserable Tue 02-Jul-13 16:31:55

Thanks, I was voicing my annoyance to another Mum, she sad she'd wondered but couldn't be bothered to ask, but if I was going to the office she would come with me for support.
Don't know which I'm more annoyed at, the lack of a trip, the apathy of others or that I will be labelled as the troublesome Mum. argh again! Really late for swimming now.

NicknameIncomplete Tue 02-Jul-13 16:32:23

If you have raised funds for a specific reason then i think you have every right to ask where the money has gone because in another context it could be classed as fraud.

kim147 Tue 02-Jul-13 16:33:33

Have they had a class trip this year?

Maybe it's to raise money to subsidise trips for next year so it goes in a general pot.

Shellywelly1973 Tue 02-Jul-13 16:34:11

There have never been annual trips at my dc school. Its shame as my older dc have great memories of their school trips.

Yanbu. If you were led to believe you were raising money for a trip then what alternative are the school offering?

NatashaBee Tue 02-Jul-13 16:35:58

YANBU, since the bake sales were run with the aim of raising money specifically for a trip. Surely the money raised from a bake sale should at least cover the cost of a trip to the local park and an ice cream or something? It would be nice for the children to see the results of their hard work.

Sirzy Tue 02-Jul-13 16:36:22

Perhaps they didn't make enough to cover a trip yet.

Did they specifically say it was for a class trip this year?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 02-Jul-13 16:37:57

That doesn't sound right. Why not email and say your cousin works for the local rag, she though it was lovely when you told her about fund-raising all year for a school trip, now they want to do a piece on it and send a photographer to see the pupils having fun; see if that gets a response.

exoticfruits Tue 02-Jul-13 16:49:22

I was going to say that they had been reading MN and realised lots of parents hate being asked for money- but then you were raising it. I would bet there simply isn't enough yet.

MildlyMiserable Tue 02-Jul-13 18:46:28

The class has had 2 trips so far this school year, the first to the natural history museum - no costs - free museum entry and tube. The second was to a local cinema that offer subsided school visits, cost to us a couple of pounds.
So far this year we have had 5 sales, we were led to believe the monies raised were for trips. Children are actively encouraged to sell to raise funds for their individual classes, more cakes better trips kind of thing.
The money is not supposed to go into a school pot, we already raise funds in other ways for this, sponsored walk, school disco, non-uninformed day etc.
Donkeys I would love to do the local rag thing but unfortunately the school know none f my cousins are nearby.
I'm looking forward to their response to my email.

cricketballs Tue 02-Jul-13 18:52:29

the cost of coaches are a major factor; think £300+

MildlyMiserable Tue 02-Jul-13 19:03:19

There is a huge park 15 mins walk away, the venue for the sponsored walk, they could take them there and buy them an ice-cream. We must have raised £250 at least, as the cinema was paid for by individuals the pot should be full, even if they went to the cinema it would cover the cost of the children, teachers and helpers.
The real reason I think it is unfair is the other years have days out booked.

Dorange Tue 02-Jul-13 19:12:14

Sorry to hijack but can anyone enlighten me about the class trip at my Dd's school?

Y1 and Y2 went together from London to Brighton at £10/child.
We also were asked to supply cakes to raise money for the trip...

They went by public transport (isn't free for kids? I know the buses, tube and trains in London are, but don't know about the train to Brighton) and we provided packed lunch (a part from those on FSM).

Some parents went as volunteer, and I don't have a clue if the expenses were covered.

Anyone have any opinion?
I want to ask why they didn't go by couch but I don't want to be 'that' parent...

Sirzy Tue 02-Jul-13 19:23:44

Where I live only under 5s are free on public transport.
I would hope parent and teacher expenses were covered if they were going to help out.

Dorange Tue 02-Jul-13 19:26:39

My daughter is 6 and I take her everywhere inside London by public transport for free. But let me check on google if kids pay to go to Brighton

BrianButterfield Tue 02-Jul-13 19:27:00

Coaches are so expensive now, not necessarily cheaper than a train at all, and helpers do get paid for. It's not a fun day out!

Dorange Tue 02-Jul-13 19:29:04

yep, children over 5 do pay.
and I hope the parents expenses were covered too, I am sure it was.

Eyesunderarock Tue 02-Jul-13 19:33:00

Ask about the trip, but they might have organised a visitor to come into the school instead. Theatre workshop, expert on dinosaurs, that sort of thing.
Children aren't free on the Brighton to London trains, so I suppose the reverse is true as well.
You deserve an explanation.

BarbarianMum Tue 02-Jul-13 19:35:11

They may be saving the money for an educational trip - I'd be pretty unimpressed if my child's trip was a walk to the park and an ice cream. Maybe they haven't raised enough yet?

By all means ask, though.

juniper9 Tue 02-Jul-13 20:17:47

For our last school trip, the coach cost £900 for 60 children. We've only been on one trip this year as the Head is reluctant to let us go elsewhere.

I'd love to go somewhere again, but I don't make the decisions. The kids moan at me, of course, but nada I can do.

MidniteScribbler Wed 03-Jul-13 03:49:14

I want to ask why they didn't go by couch but I don't want to be 'that' parent...

Going by public transport can be part of the learning experience too. The journey can be incorporated in part of the curriculum (buying tickets, or reading timetables, etc, or even just learning how to behave on public transport). It's better for the environment. It also tends to be less boring. 50 sweaty bored kids on a coach for two hours or moving around, doing something different, something to keep their attention.

trinity0097 Wed 03-Jul-13 06:38:43

Non London children do not get free travel in London.

CaptainSweatPants Wed 03-Jul-13 06:51:54

We have to pay for all your trips sad

englishteacher78 Wed 03-Jul-13 07:25:25

It is also now the case that trips are meant to cover the cost of teacher cover (probably not as big an issue at primary).
We now go on far fewer theatre trips to London than we used to as the travel costs just make it not as viable. It more than doubles the cost of the trip. We try and go to things at the local theatre - we can walk the students there. And they give us free accompanying teacher tickets.

MildlyMiserable Wed 03-Jul-13 07:37:00

trinity primary aged children do - visitorshop.tfl.gov.uk/help-centre/travelling-with-children.html
captain the trips we have been on have been free or paid for by the parents. If you mean "we the tax payer" well I'm glad mine is being spent giving children an educational day out.
The trip I'm talking about not having is one we have raised funds for.

Certainly round here children over 5 are not free on public transport. (exception being one child accompanied by a paying adult on the park and ride bus!)
Have the school replied to your email yet OP? They should at least explain where the money has gone, although there is probably a perfectly reasonable explaination. We were asked to pay £8.50 for our year 4 DC's to go to a Medieval house, for the morning, and it was free to get in. It was only a few miles away from the school. We, the parents, thought that it was far too expensive for what they would get, basically a 15 minute coach ride there and back and less than 2 hours at the house (leaving at 9.30 and back before 12), so we refused to pay. The school refused to put any more trips on for that age group sad. They never had another school trip.

englishteacher78 Wed 03-Jul-13 08:17:38

The coach probably did cost that much. From where I am (commutable distance 50 train minutes) the coach to London costs at least £25 a head! Transport costs for school trips are shocking!

NotSoSpecial Wed 03-Jul-13 08:51:41

There might be other reasons for no trip, such as lack of available staff with first aid training.

MiaowTheCat Wed 03-Jul-13 09:06:31

Coach costs are ridiculous and you're usually tied to them doing their school run contracts before and after your school trip - so you won't get a pickup earlier than 9.30 and a drop off later than about 2.30 unless you really really really pay through the nose for it. Always really annoyed me since it made the actual "trip" day ridiculously short.

MadeOfStarDust Wed 03-Jul-13 09:48:55

we would have to wait for a cold day in hell to get a response to an email from school..... so don't hold your breath waiting

Our school policy is they will respond to enquiries made in writing only.... my friend did ask if it had to be with a goosefeather quill, or would biro do....

ThedementedPenguin Wed 03-Jul-13 09:56:02

I think captain meant our not your. Meaning they have to pay for each trip for their child instead of fundraising.

At least that's what I think was meant.

englishteacher78 Wed 03-Jul-13 17:48:02

@stardust how bizarre! I prefer to get emails. And reply as quickly people.

MildlyMiserable Wed 03-Jul-13 19:04:28

No response to the email, I might try the office in the morning and ask them to respond.
Maybe they think if thye dont snswer I will forget and go away, not this time, bit firmly between my teeth.

ComposHat Wed 03-Jul-13 19:21:49

When we were at school, we never went on trips after the metalwork teacher was alleged to have bummed a tramp in the bus station on a previous trip.

It dogged him for 25 years he was employed at the school.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 03-Jul-13 19:59:38

Does it even have to be a trip? Surely the point of it would be amusement or novelty, the money needn't be spent on chartering a coach or expensive tickets for something, couldn't there be some kind of entertainment? <sorry, not volunteering, racks brain>.

TheCutOfYourJib Wed 03-Jul-13 20:28:50

Our reception class have been on 2 this year, 1 to the theatre and 1 to a sea life type place. Both trips cost about £8. We only do the occasional bun sale.

Vivacia Wed 03-Jul-13 20:34:42

Wow, I'm amazed at the sense of entitlement here. Makes you wonder why people go in to teaching.

The only thing you are being reasonable about is asking where the fund raising monies have gone.

primroseyellow Wed 03-Jul-13 20:38:32

1.Class trips are usually organised/initiated by the class teacher so her reply is dubious.
2.It is not acceptable to have children and parents raising money for a non-existent trip.
3.Without raising expectations of DC you could collect copies of all the relevant emails/letters and take them to the HT and simply demand to know exactly what the money is being used for....
And then write to the chair of governors if not satisfied with the response .... but if the HT has any sense and you tell them this is what you intend to do you may find a trip suddently materialises.....

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 03-Jul-13 20:43:14

sense of entitlement for asking where the fruits of fundraising went to?

MildlyMiserable Wed 03-Jul-13 21:14:01

sense of entitlement we were asked to bake goods for the sales to raise money for the trips, I baked the goods and bought others, upholding my end of the agreement, just wanting to know when they will be doing the same.
All of the other years are having trips - funded by their respective sales - I just want to know why our class isn't and what will happen to the funds we raised.
I haven't told my DS that I am asking about the trip, no sense in raising expectations, I will approach the HT on Friday if I don't get any joy tomorrow.

Vivacia Wed 03-Jul-13 22:17:10

As ive already said, the school owe you an explanation where the money is. They do not, in my opinion, owe you an explanation as to why there's no trip.

MildlyMiserable Wed 03-Jul-13 23:05:36

Vivacia I agree that they owe an explanation as to where the money is. I don't agree they should ask us to raise funds for a trip and then not explain why there isn't one.

VixZenFenchell Wed 03-Jul-13 23:09:24

Vivacia I think the two questions 1) where is the money and 2) why no trip are one and the same thing.

Because the premise behind the fund raising was to raise money for a trip, asking why there is now no trip is tantamount to asking where the money is. Alternatively, asking where the money has gone is tantamount to asking "why no trip, given we've raised money for it?" There is no sense of entitlement for a trip per se, just the trip that they were given to understand they were fund raising for.

MildlyMiserable Wed 03-Jul-13 23:19:14

Thanks Vix a much more succinct answer.

Vivacia Thu 04-Jul-13 06:51:46

Yes, that's well-explained. To make it clear to the school then, I feel you should be careful to ask about the money raised rather than a trip otherwise you run the risk of sounding as though you feel you're owed a trip.

MildlyMiserable Thu 04-Jul-13 20:21:01

I spoke to the office this morning, they acknowledged receipt of my email and not responding, a trip has now been booked, a museum in town, travel by tube.
The explanation for not booking any earlier is that the school is very busy in July. I shall now let the matter lie.
Thanks for all your responses (I know the money issue was not answered but am assuming this covers the travel for adults accompanying the class).

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