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To think we have a weird thing about child nakedness in the UK?

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Pantone363 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:05:21

On the beach yesterday. 3 families getting their children changed into swimming suits/uv suits/bio hazard no suns getting through this sucker suits. All huddling around the children (small children, not teens) one parent holding up towels whilst the other gets them changed.

I'm biased because until 5 yrs old my kids are usually naked on the beach, but they seem so scared that someone might see a glimpse of naked child skin.

Also dads sitting on the beach with shoes on. All day. WHY?

bebanjo Mon 01-Jul-13 11:17:28

Iam with you you on this one. Last hot spell in the park all the kids from the same clube so all know each other. My dd 6years old strips down to her pants, I spray her with sun block but one of the other children little girl 6years old tells my dd to put something on as my dd's nakedness was making her uncofterble, there 6. When I was 6 I went swimming in my pants. She wasn't even naked.

mignonette Mon 01-Jul-13 11:19:42

Try America- I was 'told off' by a beach security guard for allowing my baby son to wander about naked albeit head to toe smeared in sun block and behatted. Very squeamish about nakedness there. Could wander about with half a dozen guns hanging between my legs if I wanted though.

QueenofallIsee Mon 01-Jul-13 11:20:19

I have no problem with little kids being naked but perhaps it is to do with the children? My youngest son, since the age of about 2, has had a thing about privacy and being covered except with me and his dad. My other 3 let it all hang out and always have but I respect that not all my kids are the same and give him his dignity.

Shoes on the beach though, clearly the act of a FREAK.

LastTangoInDevonshire Mon 01-Jul-13 11:21:47

They were probably MNers who have been influenced by the paedo-round-every-corner brigade that seem to be on here a lot of the time, and dive in on any thread they can.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:24:36

Tbf I think it's odd. Why is it necessary to let a child/baby wander around naked?

Just put a pair of pants on them. Whenever I see completely naked kids on the beach (as in continuously, not just when changing) it always seems to me like the parents are attempting to make some sort of weird point.

Yonihadtoask Mon 01-Jul-13 11:27:27

I don't' care if little kids are naked. Let them be. Although a pair of pants is a good idea, as sand can get in places it shouldn't be and cause irritation.

All the hiding behind towels just draws more attention to the person getting changed anyway.

Pantone363 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:28:23

I am making a point. That my 3 yr old who lives being naked has the right to run around on the beach and feel the sun on her skin without being run off by a fear of the bogey man

icklemssunshine1 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:30:43

I had this conversation at work recently. When I was in nursery (in 1980!) we would in hot days strip off & play in the paddling pool (t'was a huge castle - fab!). My nursery was on a main road so ANYONE could have seen us but no-one cared. Not sure whether that was a good or bad thing as these days we are made to believe there is a "danger" on every corner.

lachrymavitis Mon 01-Jul-13 11:32:50

PrettyKitty - because it feels nice? because it's less hassle? I certainly wouldn't force a child to be naked if they didn't want to but if the weather is good I find it hard to get my children to keep their clothes on.

A lot of children enjoy being naked. If you're in an appropriate environment such as garden, beach etc then why not?

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:34:24

You don't need to be naked to feel the sun on your skin.

Personally I find it weird that some parents feel the need to make a point over it, but there you go.

I was at the beach yesterday and I saw quite a few naked children, all under maybe 5 or 6.

Didn't see much of this changing fuss you've mentioned, in fact I only noticed adults or older children having this help.

I don't think it's wrong to afford the same level of privacy to children as adults and I also can't see why people don't just but some pants on kids.

It seems strange to me that we'd all be a bit hmm about older nudity but think nothing of letting a child be exposed to a beach full of people.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:38:29

Less hassle than a pair of swim pants?

Just because they're children doesn't mean they can/should be able to be naked wherever they are.

My children wander around naked at home. Yet I don't allow them to walk down the street naked. It has nothing to do with a 'peedo emergency' mindset.

Sirzy Mon 01-Jul-13 11:38:39

Does it matter? If parents want to let their children run around naked then fine. If they want to get the changed behind a towel then fine.

That said, even covered in suncream I wouldn't be letting them run around naked for too long, being covered in light clothes is a much safer way when it comes to sun safety.

DS always has some sort of sandal on on the beach, to many people think its ok to leave rubbish lying around to let him run around barefooted.

curlew Mon 01-Jul-13 11:38:39

Prettykitty - have you considered what point you are making by insisting on pants?

cory Mon 01-Jul-13 11:39:21

But quite possibly they don't feel the need to make a point: they are just happy to let their dc be whichever way they feel comfortable.

To me, a toddler running around naked doesn't carry some kind of deep significance, any more than a toddler wearing pants and a shirt. They are emotionally neutral.

So, as long as there was no risk from sunburn, my default position would be to let toddler do whatever s/he wants.

It only becomes a marked choice if we can all agree that covering a toddler up is the normal and natural position and that allowing them to be without clothes is so odd that it must be due to some ulterior motive. Not everybody thinks like that.

Hasitfallendownagain Mon 01-Jul-13 11:39:45

I have noticed that my 6 year old dd crosses her arms over her chest when getting changed at swimming or ballet. She isn't so shy about people seeing her bottom or pants, but she doesn't even like me to see her chest sad.

I assume it is something she has picked up from her classmates - I certainly hope she hasn't somehow got it from me or her dad. But there you go, she wants privacy and not to run around topless, up to me as her parent to respect that, imo.

Jan49 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:39:46

I don't want to see other people's naked children on a beach. I feel I ought to look in a different direction in case parents think I'm deliberately looking at their child. I think they should at least be wearing pants. I assume no parent carefully covers their child's genitals in sun cream every few hours so either you cover your child up, preferably in more than pants, or you are exposing them to the sun. Clothing is a much more effective sun protection than sun cream.

I have photos from the 1930s of my mum as a child on a beach with her parents on holiday. In all of them my granddad is wearing a full suit and tie and I don't think either parent took their shoes off.smile

cory Mon 01-Jul-13 11:40:40

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:38:29

"Just because they're children doesn't mean they can/should be able to be naked wherever they are."

Why not? Why does it matter? Why should it matter? Why does it worry you if you are not thinking about paedos?

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:42:39

I suppose it's the same point I'd be making if df decided to lose the trunks and take a strut up at down a packed beach naked.

I'd tell him to put them back on. Because it's unnecessary.

WorraLiberty Mon 01-Jul-13 11:44:27

If kids are happy to run around naked on the beach, they should be allowed to.

As long as the parents don't clutch their pearls, if they get in the way of someone's camera shot.

Some kids hate the restrictive feeling of swimsuits anyway.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 11:47:28

It doesn't 'worry me' Cory.

I just don't let them walk around completely naked in public.

Presumably then if your young child started stripping off in a shopping centre on a hot day because they are afterall, more comfortable naked...you would let them?

Afterall, what sort of point would you be making to insist they kept their clothes on?

cantspel Mon 01-Jul-13 11:47:54

I dont want to see naked people whether they be children or adults on the beach.

Fine in your own garden but dont inflict it on others. And it has nothing to do with being a prude or thinking a pedo is under every rock. Just put some pants on or better still a proper sunsuit which will protect their skin much better than a coating of sunscreen.

cantspel Mon 01-Jul-13 11:50:04

Worra some kids hate eating vegetables but it doesn't mean we dont make them eat them. Same with uv suits they might not like them but it is better than exposing them to the risks of skin cancer.

lurcherlover Mon 01-Jul-13 11:52:39

DS is 2.8 and does toddler swimming classes. They have strict rules about swim nappies (children have to have a disposable swim nappy on, topped with a splashabout nappy). I am puzzled that a lot of the mums put their toddler daughters in the swimnappy, and then top it off with a swimsuit. Why?? I understand that a 3 or 4 year old might want to wear one because they're pretty, but a 12 month old or even a 2 year old isn't bothered about that. Why can't a 12 month old baby girl's chest be exposed?

cory Mon 01-Jul-13 11:55:20

To me a beach is rather different from a shopping centre: fwiw I wouldn't let mine wear a swimsuit in the shopping centre either.

I never realised that other people are inflicting their naked 2yos on me. How exactly do they do that?

Do other people really have the same reactions when they see a naked 2yo as when they see a naked 45yo? I don't.

thebody Mon 01-Jul-13 11:59:09

I think it's up to the children. Mine were not comfortable being naked past school age so why wouldn't they out in a costume.

Personally I don't really care. Probably past age 6 In a public place I would think a bit ott but not that bothered really.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:02:19

But why not Cory?

If afterall it was more comfortable for your child to strip to say, underwear. It's still a public place-still people around.

What makes the beach so different?

iclaudius Mon 01-Jul-13 12:03:20

Shocked by this tbh

'Making a point' by letting kids go naked what tosh is that?

My boys love going naked and long may it last - I agree with mignotte the poster who said in the states it's ok to carry a weapons but not for a bairn to go naked

It's a shame such a shame that people are judging parents who let their babies go without clothes on a beach . Twisted

Pantone363 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:10:12

Dd 9 was only wearing bikini bottoms and DS had his trunks on.

It's quite common in France to see older children still naked on the beach and to retreat under shade at lunch time for a few hours.

PrettyKitty1986 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:20:00

Twisted?

Ok, you get the points for biggest overreaction hmm

purplemurple1 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:26:19

Surely its just an extension of how people in the UK/USA view naked adults. I do think its over the top (sun exposure excepted). In lots of Europe topless women on beaches is normal so it makes sense they wouldn't care about naked kids at the beach. In Sweden (where i live) saunas are common so again no one cares if a kid is naked in a similar situation.

Would it be OK at the shops - if adults were walking around in swim wear then yes, fine for kids to be naked. If adults are dressed then kids should be dressed.

IThinkOfHappyWhenIThinkOfYou Mon 01-Jul-13 12:30:54

My dd started wanting a bit of privacy to change when she was about 6. I'm not going to refuse to hold up a towel for her on a beach because I think it's unnecessary.

Remotecontrolduck Mon 01-Jul-13 12:32:17

Put underwear/trunks etc on them, not be because there's anything wrong with being naked, but I don't want to deal with sand in genitals (for girls at least).

I'd put a top on them too, I don't want sunburn either!

WildlingPrincess Mon 01-Jul-13 12:37:27

My daughter (6) often runs around the beach in her pants and a t-shirt. I worry about sunburn so don't like her fully nude. If she gets changed on the beach though, she strips right down, I don't protect her with a towel or anything, she doesn't care! We're both often nude at home though.

Minty82 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:40:00

Really shocked that some people think it's not ok for small children to be naked; or that they think it has any equivalence with adult nudity. It seems a very odd way of seeing the world.

Dixiefish Mon 01-Jul-13 12:45:29

My DDs always wear a swimsuit and preferably a T-shirt too so I've got less area to suncream!

BadaBingBang Mon 01-Jul-13 12:53:53

Maybe their child has an unusual feature on their body that the parents don't want the public ogling at. Or maybe that they just feel more comfortable that way. You say WHY? I say WHY NOT! Not everyone feels comfortable showing as much flesh as others. Some people wish to wear burquinis on the beach: Burquini
Why is your choice to let your children be naked on a beach more valid than others who choose not to? Not to mention the fact that the sun protection suits do a far better job of protecting delicate skin from harmful UV rays than sun screen does, without increasing your child''s exposure to chemical UV blocks that contain parabans etc.

LimburgseVlaai Mon 01-Jul-13 12:59:53

It all depends on time and place, and what you feel comfortable with. On the beach or similar - I think it's fine for children to be naked or just in pants, and I personally also do a quick sitting down change from (say) swimsuit into pants without contorting myself holding up towels etc. My 6yo DD is quite prudish though and would hesitate to run around in pants in public. Fine- up to her.

What I find odd is that men find it acceptable to walk around shirtless in a shopping street. Now that I find really inappropriate and unpleasant.

But there seems to be some weird thing in the UK about girls' bums and knickers. Not so long ago there was a thread on here about girls being told to wear cycling shorts under their school uniform dress just in case someone could see their pants. Many posters thought this was perfectly normal.

WetGrass Mon 01-Jul-13 13:01:08

Yy that it may be coming from the children.

My DS is 6 and has a big thing about personal boundaries. Locks on toilet doors, won't use ladies loos etc. I think it is part of establishing a specific gender identity. He wants his penis to be a private thing that will make ladies swoon with embarrassment.

Minty82 Mon 01-Jul-13 13:12:54

My post was in response to posters who were saying they objected to the sight of other people's naked children. I find that a really odd thing to say. I wasn't complaining about people choosing to keep their children clothed!

itsblackoveryonderhill Mon 01-Jul-13 13:15:09

I'm not fussed about children being naked or not. With DD she has on a swimming costume or sun suit attire. Not because I think there is a paedo looking at her, but because that is what I do on the beach i.e. I have my costume on.

It also prevents sand getting into her nether regions, which surely must be really uncomfortable.

In fact the other day we were walking back from nursery and she got really hot wearing her long sleeved t-shirt and was scratching, so I just whipped the top off and she walked down the street with nothing on top (she is 4 1/2). I didn't think or even assume that there would be a paedo rubbing their thigh or whatever at the little girl running down the street with no top on.

AmberLeaf Mon 01-Jul-13 13:26:59

I think people should worry less about what others choose to do tbh.

My first thought was sun protection. I think people tend to cover up their children these days so they dont get burnt, unlike when I was small and just ran around with bikini bottoms on!

MiaowTheCat Mon 01-Jul-13 13:44:45

I'd be putting clothes on them... sunburn and sand in crevices I don't want to be dealing with. I don't think I'd wish sunburnt arsecheeks on anyone - and I don't think it's fair on other people, particularly men, who might well be scared of being accused of looking the wrong way or something ridiculous, or other families put in the position of feeling they can't take photos of their own kids or similar in case a naked child gets in shot and people cry perv.

Considering the hysteria we had seeing perverts on every airplane on here the other day... one extreme to the other once you get off the plane at your destination?

Whilst not wishing to say either view is right/wrong - each to their own and all that - can I just say that I've spent lots of time on VERY secluded beaches and it was just so natural to be bare to soak up the sun, swim in clear waters and dry off in a warm breeze. It's a unique feeling.

DD grew up with this and was blissfully happy frolicking around naked until about 4-5 when school kicked in and her peers thought otherwise. Now 21 she is happy to be bare when it's just females and no danger of any unwanted attention from males (or females I suppose, just so I'm not thought sexist).

So in my personal opinion, little ones being bare is totally OK. Most love it. It's the adults with the problem.

PeppermintPasty Mon 01-Jul-13 13:56:30

There are really people out there who think parents are inflicting their child's nakedness on others? Really? How odd.

It's a beach, not a shopping mall, park, or any other kind of public place. FWIW, it wouldn't faze me in the slightest seeing a toddler naked in the park either. Mine would sometimes go free range on grass.

But the beach! The beach is about a particular experience, IMO, a particular set of freedoms. I remember it myself, it felt wonderful.

Oh, and someone said upthread about not lathering cream on their bits every hour. Of course I did this, even easier now with the spray stuff, you can catch 'em while they're running away.

As for older children, well, they tend to start wanting to cover up anyway. My 6yo ds wears trunks now, my 3yo dd does a bit of both.

GoSuckEggs Mon 01-Jul-13 14:34:57

never mind the kids! DH and I love going naked on the beach! it is so lovely and freeing. the sand and the sun feel so nice on our skin. When we have DC they too will join us.

our local beach is half naked half clothed. fab

This makes me sad, we were at a family BBQ yesterday and DS was loving running round the garden with his nappy off, but we have no garden at home and don't feel we can let him have his nappy off in the local parks because of peoples weird hang ups about nudity.

lachrymavitis Mon 01-Jul-13 16:07:03

I agree with the poster who said let's all worry less about what other people think.

My children love being naked and I think they should enjoy that freedom before all the body consciousness nonsense kicks in. If you don't like seeing naked children on the beach then don't look at them.

It just feels nice. Let them enjoy it.

I agree. I am Swedish. People are a lot less embarrassed of their body and you regularly see children changing (not hidden by towels) on our beaches or lakes for example. In the UK, most children, including my own, change under towels or whatever, and in my experience, that's not the case (or much less of a case) in Sweden.

Ray81 Mon 01-Jul-13 16:55:16

DD1 always stripped down when at the beach but I cover DD2 from head to toe because 30 seconds in the sun even with factor 50 on and she burns, DD1 has olive toned skin and has never burnt (been smothered in sun cam of course)
DS hasn't been to the beach as yet but he is 1 so would let him go naked when he's potty trained.

I have a friend who has DDs and they are not allowed to be naked (other then bath and getting changed ) when they are at home, my friends DH has a re.al hang up about it and I think this is so sad as she's always shouting at the them to put their clothes on as they know daddy will get cross, i wouldn't be surprised if they had big problems with body image etc when they are older.

amazingmumof6 Mon 01-Jul-13 17:14:01

yep. it's stupid.

blackbirdatglanmore Mon 01-Jul-13 17:18:48

I don't like it, sorry - I know I am in a minority but it does make me feel uncomfortable when children are running around naked in front of me and I wouldn't like my child to do so. Different at home or in the garden but I think on the beach or the park a swimsuit is appropriate.

I think nakedness in general is an issue in this country.

What's wrong with a child seeing their parents naked?
What's wrong with going onto the beach with just pants or nothing on?
What's wrong with just wearing underwear into a beach side shop?

I have no idea.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 01-Jul-13 18:32:23

My kids have run around naked on the beach, I've never thought I was making a point just thought it was normal! What is the problem with it?

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 01-Jul-13 18:33:35

To me it says more about an adult who feels weird about than it does the parent of the naked kid

stopgap Mon 01-Jul-13 18:37:15

I live in NYC and have never seen a child naked at the beach or the playground, even the playgrounds with sprinklers, where you'll see toddlers in diapers and no shoes, but never fully unclothed.

My son likes to be naked in our apartment, and we also have a house outside the city, where he spends prolonged periods without clothes (although I often pop on a diaper if he's playing with sand/there are lots of mosquitos about).

Americans are very prudish about nudity.

edwinbear Mon 01-Jul-13 19:57:25

I wish a few more parents had put swim nappies on their non potty trained kids when we were in Turkey recently. Every few days the pool had to be closed and cleaned because someone's naked child had done a poo in/around the pool.

For me it is a hygiene thing more than anything - I hope that kids wear some protection until they have some bowel control.

Also, I think it also depends on the culture of the country - it is pretty disrespectful to be walking around starkers on a beach in Thailand, when most travel books and guides suggest that the locals don't appreciate or accept nudity.

Jan49 Mon 01-Jul-13 20:09:20

What's wrong with a child seeing their parents naked? Nothing wrong.

What's wrong with going onto the beach with just pants or nothing on? It seems too private and personally I feel uncomfortable as a stranger on the beach where there are children naked or just wearing pants. I feel I ought to make sure I'm looking in a different direction which isn't always practical - sometimes you are sitting facing the sea and looking at the sea and children are playing at the water's edge and you can't avoid seeing them. I wouldn't expect to be in the bathroom when a stranger's child was bathing or using a toilet or having a nappy change and this feels the same. Also inadequate sun cover for the child.

What's wrong with just wearing underwear into a beach side shop? A what?

To those people who are happy for their children to be naked on a beach, what about if adults are sitting on the beach looking at them? Is that OK?

treaclesoda Mon 01-Jul-13 20:16:30

I've never seen a naked child on a beach at home (N Ireland) and was really shocked the first time I saw it, which was on a beach in England. But I certainly didn't find it offensive.

Its hard to explain to someone who hasn't been brought up this way, but I was raised in a Christian family to believe that bodies must only be shared with a husband or wife, within marriage, therefore any type of nudity in public was completely out of the question. In fact there was no nudity in our house, no changing clothes in front of siblings etc, my parents would never have let us see them undressed. I try to be less uptight about it with my children but when it's deeply ingrained in your upbringing, its hard to cast aside.

When I see naked children on the beach I think I feel a bit wistful, thinking that I wish I could be so matter of fact about nudity.

landofsoapandglory Mon 01-Jul-13 20:27:39

My DC were never naked on a beach when they were little. I don't see how having a pair of swimming trunks or bikini bottoms stops them from feeling the air/sun/sea/breeze on their skin!confused

If they were little now they would have those suits that stop them getting sunburnt on, especially DS2 who is very fair and has to be plastered in Factor 50, wear a t-shirt and sit in the shade!

Thurlow Mon 01-Jul-13 20:44:01

Kids should definitely still be in a nappy in public if they are not potty trained yet, because peeing anywhere but in yours or a friends garden, say, just isn't very polite. And I'll admit if it was really hot or windy I'd think that kids should probably be in one of the wetsuits to protect from sun damage. I'd put protecting a kid from sun damage about them feeling the breeze and sun on their skin.

But it's not offensive to see a naked kid. Outside my office are some big sprinklers and you often see kids having an impromptu play in just their nappy or pants. It's right in the middle of a load of office blocks but it is so cute, it's never struck me as inappropriate in any way.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 01-Jul-13 20:53:26

What a load of Tosh Jan49, what are they going to do? Rape them with their eyes? There is a difference between looking in someone's direction and ogling them! If a pervert wants to stare, what? Why should their deviancy be a punishment for my innocent children. Some major body issues are Being passed on here. My children are continent though!

thegreylady Mon 01-Jul-13 21:14:32

I can't believe anyone minds seeing naked toddlers and babies! To be honest it says something a bit odd about them-who on earth has an adverse reaction to tiny children without clothes?

thegreylady Mon 01-Jul-13 21:18:54

I agree about the hygiene thing though and would go with nappies before toilet training which makes the 'babies' part of my previous post a bit silly.
My dgs who is 4 wants to 'get naked' as he puts it whenever possible.his brother is now 6 and wouldn't appear in public without his pants.he is just becoming a bit shy with me too.he doesn't mind me seeing him in the bath but prefers to get dressed in private and I respect that.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 01-Jul-13 21:28:39

My DD1 went naked on the beach last summer at just turned 5, don't know if she'd want to do it this year at nearly six but its her decision and I'd be damned if I'm going to make her feel ashamed of her body because of a few prudes and pervs!

Thereistoomuchconfusion Mon 01-Jul-13 21:33:30

My dd was 2 y/o at a open public paddling pool she had one of those all in one uv suit things on she came out the pool for the picnic I stripped her off and wrapped her in a towel whilst I was getting the picnic out she started to chat to the people next to us and had dropped the towel and so was naked and the mum of the group turned to my 2 y/o and said 'you should go put some clothes on love' It hadnt crossed my mind that a 2 y/o without clothes would be wrong so to speak. I have always made sure since then that she wears something in public places whether it be beach, public pool etc!! It does seem a shame I grew up being able to play naked in the garden the beach etc. but now even I question it with my own kids but only because of what others may think. That probably says more about me than them tbf!!!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 01-Jul-13 21:46:02

Who calls a two year old love! Some people are odd though, my sisters 18 month old Dd kissed another little girl from antenatal group and the child's mother said 'No, girls kiss boys not girls' fucked up

blackbirdatglanmore Mon 01-Jul-13 22:01:24

'Love' is a fairly common term of endearment where I'm from; it is said to everybody.

I wouldn't ever say "put clothes on your child" but I do find it faintly embarrassing in that I don't know where to look, and also that children are so very unselfconscious that they think nothing of bending right over or lifting legs right up or whatever.

Sorry if it upsets you but I do find it mildly cringe-worthy and personally don't really like it, and nor would I encourage my own children to run around in public without clothes, house or garden is fine though. It's nothing to do with being prudish or perverted but just acknowledging we have norms as a society and it can be a bit strange for others when those norms are broken.

FWIW, I have numerous pictures of me without clothes as a child and dislike it.

Viviennemary Mon 01-Jul-13 22:07:23

I think each person must make their own decision so let's not be judgemental on this one.

Jan49 Mon 01-Jul-13 22:29:52

1Veryhungrycaterpillar, I'm not talking about "them" meaning paedophiles, I'm talking about me, a very ordinary and nice 50-something woman on a beach feeling uncomfortable because there are a few children running around naked and I feel obliged to look away in case their parents think I'm gazing at their children for being naked.

Maybe I'm wrong for feeling uncomfortable. I find that all the publicity about paedophiles makes you question what you do in a way you maybe didn't before, such as whether it's OK to talk to someone else's child or not. Twenty years ago when I had my own young dc, I might not have thought about it like that, but I'd be judging the parents of a naked child for not protecting their dc from the sun. My ds was never on a beach wearing less than a t shirt with short sleeves, shorts, and a hat with a neck flap.

honeytea Mon 01-Jul-13 23:10:56

This is the type of thread that remedies my homesickness. England is such a very strange place sometimes!

I take baby ds to the beach, park, lake and let him sit/crawl around naked. Sometimes he wees but his wee is no more offensive than dog wee. When ds poos there is a big performance with lots of wiggling and funny noises, it also happens at the same time each day so the chance of a poo incident is slim.

Do those people who get offended seeing children naked also feel embarrassed when they see women breastfeeding? In my head there are 2 categories of nudity, normal unremarkable nudity, children, breastfeeding mothers, changing rooms, and then sexual nudity.

fuckwittery Mon 01-Jul-13 23:15:27

My local town has put splash fountains in every bloody park and the town centre. I always end up going past there without having thought ahead to bring a costume. DD2, 3, loves them, but will not tolerate wet pants or clothes on her. Hence she starts with trousers rolled up and ends up naked, I dont really care if it raises an eyebrow, she's three and likes to splash naked.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 02-Jul-13 06:33:01

Jan49, naked does not mean without a hat and sun cream, my children have never been burnt, judge away

Wishihadabs Tue 02-Jul-13 06:58:32

I will admit to looking at tiny ones playing naked because I think it's adorable. Dd loves to be naked (6 nearly 7) but we do insist on bikini bottoms/pants in public. Both of mine played naked in water till they were school age.

This is definitely a English/British thing, in Austria you are not allowed to use the sauna in a swimsuit, you must be naked.

crumblepie Tue 02-Jul-13 08:43:20

i find it strange that you noticed people getting changed under towels ,cant see why it would it bother you that they didnt want anyone seeing their kids naked ,if you want to parade your kids in front of people thats your choice , shame for them though .

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 08:43:35

Yabvu just cpbecause your happy with your child running nekkid on the beach does not mean we all ave to be. Each to their own and all that. I would not be happy with my child running nacked on a public beach and someone lurking with a long angled lense taking photos of my mpnacked child for their own enjoyment. Yes there are. Teir was a thread a couple of moth ago about the op reporting someone going up to parents wanting to take pictures of children, his intentions were not good. Other mumsnet terms reported on tat tread other similar incidences on th beach

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 08:45:08

Other mumsnetters aso reported similar things on beaches. Covering up in public is not wrong at all

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 09:13:41

Just because I do want to parade round nacked in public places dies not mean I have body issues or hang ups hmm. My dc see me naced at home getting dressed after shower, but I don't feel th need tostrip down at a public poor or sauna

MrsOakenshield Tue 02-Jul-13 09:30:54

we have so mnay hang ups about nudity in this country and it starts at childhood. It's very sad. There was that thread about girls wearing shorts under their school dresses, and the one about someone coming over from Sweden and wondering about 7 year olds being naked in the park over here (normal there) and so many people were like, ooh, no, not over the age of 2.

I had to have an internal scan in a hospital in Amsterdam once. Over here you're given a sheet to wrap your bottom half in. There I had to walk across the huge consulting room naked from the waist down, with my sister in the room. Felt a bit odd but refreshing too - it's just a body, we all have them.

My mum lived in Norway way back, when children would bow or curtsey to adults. She said it was very odd meeting children she knew in the sauna, they were all naked, but the little girls would still curtsey to her!

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 10:18:38

Just because I want a little bit of me to be private does not mean we have body hang ups. MrsOak I would have asked for a sheet if you felt uncomfortable. I am happy with my skin, yes I'm not a size 10 and I have saggy bits but I'm me, I just don't want t world to see it what's wrong with tat!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 02-Jul-13 10:40:17

You are turning something so innocent into something bad though, why don't you want to see children naked on the beach? I think it's because we have body issues as a population and are sadly passing this on.

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 10:56:53

I dont mind seeing them but mine will have bottoms on thanks. In our garden titally fine nacked, so no i dint have bify isdues just because i dont want tjeir nscked bofied seen in public. Dd and ds also see me prancing around nacjed at home no body isdues there

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 10:57:42

Agggg silly mobile nacked bodies

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 11:03:58

Just because their children dies not mean they have no right to privacy

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 02-Jul-13 11:16:24

I think I'd know if they wanted privacy, they are the ones stripping off, should I make them feel ashamed?

I can't bear it when people call children "rude" (in a joking way) when they have few/no clothes on. Children of infants age and below should be clothed according to the weather IMO (and sometimes appropriately - I wouldn't condone school or a wedding naked grin). In the summer, playing in the garden that might be naked.

Sorry, according to the weather, the occasion and their own preferences. But that's never been an issue with my two clothes-refusers.

pigletmania Tue 02-Jul-13 11:42:17

1very i did not say you should make them feel ashamed ! Each to their own and all that but i would not feel happy with them nacked in a public place and its my right to stick something on them

gleegeek Tue 02-Jul-13 12:07:10

Clothed or unclothed on the beach - each to their own! I love seeing children running around starkers - the freedom is very very special if they enjoy it. Dd however was always adamant she would be in her swimsuit from quite a tiny age (it was a very cute one so maybe that swung it for her) so we've never run the gauntlet of offending the general public by flaunting her bits and pieces wink

AmberSocks Tue 02-Jul-13 12:11:53

my kids go naked on the beach,and at home a lot too!If it makes others feel uncomfortable then ive never noticed,it wouldnt bother me if it did tbh thats their issue!

LouiseSmith Tue 02-Jul-13 13:59:55

I let my son wonder in the garden naked when he in his paddling pool! He loves it.

I wouldn't do it so much in public thought I think out of respect for others. The paedophile round every corner theory has made everyone on edge. and no passer by wants to be accused of perving on a child. I think its better to stay clothed in public!!

Espically after the court told me I had too. LOL

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 02-Jul-13 14:02:49

It's such a shame they can't have this freedom if they want to though. Saying that I've only done it in this country as Cyprus in August equals full on uv suits for all of them

Spookey80 Tue 02-Jul-13 14:05:30

It's not about making a point over, I just think its ok for children to be naked on the beach.

It's funny this topic has been brought up as we took our 2&4 yolds to the beach yesterday for an hour, spur of the moment and they ended up with just t-shirts on, but then naked.
I said to dh, "Do you think it's ok", he was like "don't be stupid". Kids loved being at the beach, it was hot so took clothes off.

I think you are rid of you think this is wrong.

Btw it was 4 0clock in the afternoon, so sun protection not too much of an issue.

Spookey80 Tue 02-Jul-13 14:05:49

*rid=weird

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