To want 'Dr' on my name badge?

(99 Posts)
sallysparrow157 Mon 01-Jul-13 00:22:09

Following a chat with my non medical friend - I'm a doctor and very aware that the general public don't really know what our job titles mean any more (FYs and STs). My past two jobs I have had to specifically ask to have Dr myname on my name badge as well as the generally meaningless st6 or 7.
Of course I introduce myself as 'my name, the children's doctor on the unit today' but my ID badge is so people know what I am as well as who I am. If I had not pushed for it I would be wearing a label saying 'myname st7' and nothing else which means sod all to anyone who matters (ie the people I care for and their families)

Yes I think Dr on your name badge would be handy. What does FY and ST mean?!

MrsHoolie Mon 01-Jul-13 00:30:16

I have a friend called Sally Sparrow!she isn't a Dr though.

<helpful>

sallysparrow157 Mon 01-Jul-13 00:34:55

Fy is foundation yrs and st is speciality trainee, replacing house officer, senior house officer and registrar. For the firs 2 yrs after graduating you are a foundation trainee then you choose what you want to specialise in so you become a speciality trainee, starting at st1 and progressing each year up to st 7 or 8 when you finish your training and get to apply to be a consultant. But most people don't have a clue what any of these letters and numbers mean!

MamaChubbyLegs Mon 01-Jul-13 00:38:40

YANBU. You should have a recognisable job title on your name badge. Your name badge should reflect what you wish to be known as, title and all, if necessary!

RiotsNotDiets Mon 01-Jul-13 00:40:06

YANBU, if I was a DR I'd have it embroidered on my knickers and engraved on my teapot. I'd want the world to know!

Thanks for explaining. You're totally right about most people not knowing what the initials and numbers mean, Dr is fine!

MamaChubbyLegs Mon 01-Jul-13 00:43:50

Sally, when you become an "st", is that the equivalent as "SHO"? And what year is equivalent to "Registrar"?

Or are those terms completely done away with now?

I need to know who I'm talking to when I go back to work after mat leave! blush

ChasingDogs Mon 01-Jul-13 00:48:12

YANBU! I don't care what level graduate you are or how long ago you specialised... I just want to know if you can fix whatever body part I've buggered up! grin

I vote for "doctor" and "student that hasn't done this before so prepare for it to be really painful". Yes, I'm thinking of you, nervous medical person whose hands were shaking as they stuck a camera up my nose and down my throat <shakes an a half hearted angry fist> I genuinely had no idea that tubes going through your nasal cavity could hurt that bloody much.

You may call yourself doctor though, OP, as statistically it is unlikely you have assaulted me in a hospital with a tiny camera. grin

sallysparrow157 Mon 01-Jul-13 00:50:18

St 1 and 2 is definitely an sho. St3 can be an sho or a reg (I was on a reg rota for the first 6 months of being an st3 then an sho for the next 6!)' st4 and above is definitely a registrar. We still call ourselves shos and registrars but our official job titles and name badges use letters and numbers!

sallysparrow157 Mon 01-Jul-13 00:53:08

Chasingdogs, I don't do tiny cameras so it definitely wasn't me! Does remind me of the first time they made me take blood as a student though, a needle and blood phobic chap had fainted whilst having his blood sugars checked s was shipped to hospital where I was told to take his blood, poor bugger fainted again leaving us both traumatised!!

MamaChubbyLegs Mon 01-Jul-13 01:03:53

Thanks for clearing that up. grin Not going to lie, I've been a bit bewildered by each new influx of medical staff onto my ward! Although thankfully, in my trust, we do use "Dr" before a doctor's name on the ID, which helps a bit.

I do think that something simpler would be much more reassuring for patients and visitors and me though.

ChasingDogs Mon 01-Jul-13 01:04:08

Aha! Brilliant grin I had a college tutor who was blood phobic, and I only found out when I wandered in for a one to one tutorial moments after having sliced my arm open. T'was a bit awkward!

If I'm honest during the camera incident I did want to yell "Oh dear god what are you doing to the inside of my face?! I didn't even know my face had in inside, complete with nerves! STOOOOP". In the end though I didn't want to make the nervous expert-medical-body-fixer even more nervous. I settled for gripping the arms of the chair very hard and shooting pleading looks at the person in charge. It didn't work, hmph!

On the other hand, I was well impressed with the doc who took off the detached skin of my cornea with a cotton wool bud. That guy didn't mess about. I even got told off for flinching on the first attempt. grin

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:07:02

yanbu at all, I bet some staff don't even know what st7 means!

I'm a bit concerned by the times students are asked to be 'stand in house officers' where I am

I mean, really

I do need a warning on my badge

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:11:07

actually.. am lowly medical student, and my badge does not say I am a student <ponders> just says ... medicine.... like in an ever so slightly magical dr quinn meets david blaine way

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:11:46

ChasingDogs! Ouch!

sallysparrow157 Mon 01-Jul-13 01:17:25

Cafecito, you probably look like you have more right to be there than me! Badge saying 'medical' v badge with random letters and numbers...

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:30:17

I get very angry patients when I tell them I am a lowly student, as if I am winding them up grin if you ever wear scrubs sally you probably look like the cleaning team. if you don't you probably look like a random off the street

<helpful>

how about a Dr tattoo? or a surplus of stethoscopes?

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:34:01

yes, 3 of them, like a daisy chain of stethoscopes..

st7 though! *applauds

hope you enjoy it

my friend just failed paces.. again... makes me a little nervous!

ChasingDogs Mon 01-Jul-13 01:35:09

PMSL at a badge that says "medicine" in a hospital. My layman's brain would automatically think "well, yeah, please. Kinda why I'm here..."

But it does have more authority. "Check me out, I'm medicine. Medical doctor Medicine. Not surgery, we keep them on another floor, out of the way of the general medical things. Nobody goes there if they can help it. Your first stop is medical stuff, and that's right where you are... where the medicine is. Medicine I'm qualified to prescribe, for medical purposes."

<nods> I think I could trust a "medicine" badge.

cafecito Mon 01-Jul-13 01:45:25

In fact, it says just... 'Medicine' .... no numbers, no dates, no additional words confused

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Mon 01-Jul-13 01:51:13

Yes agree completely, I wish everyone in hospitals would have their title and \or job title on their badges, as it's no earthly use knowing someone's name unless I also know 'who they are' and can direct the right questions at them...

Also I have found sometimes people are quite sensitive about being asked their role/ specialism/ level etc, and it would cut out that.

FairPhyllis Mon 01-Jul-13 02:05:38

If it says 'ST1' on someone's badge, doesn't that look a bit like 'STI'? Probably not the image to project.

I think helping patients understand who is who easily is really important. Every time I've been in a hospital I've been totally bewildered about who is exactly what kind of staff - you get the impression that there are thousands of people milling around but you don't know who you can approach, or whether you're talking to a doctor or some random who's just walked in off the street.

VinegarDrinker Mon 01-Jul-13 02:10:47

YANBU, we have the same. And half the time when I introduce myself as Dr or 'the doctor covering labour ward tonight' I still get called nurse or midwife hmm

You need one that says "Dr SallySparrow, nearly a Consultant" though, for maximum lay understanding!

melody1771 Mon 01-Jul-13 02:20:20

The 'person' looking after me had a lanyard type I'd badge saying Dr on one side and nurse on the other! never did get to the bottom of that!

piprabbit Mon 01-Jul-13 02:28:38

Could the new August doctors have a special badge that says "Cut me some slack, I'm still trying to work out where the toilets are".

MammaTJ Mon 01-Jul-13 02:38:55

In my experience, people ignore name badges and look more at how you are dressed. I used to work a an agency care assistant and the uniform was a mid blue tunic. People always assumed I was a trained nurse and I spent my life explaining I was totally clueless about everything. This was in spite of me having a perfectly adequate badge telling them my lowly position in life.

sashh Mon 01-Jul-13 02:39:02

But most people don't have a clue what any of these letters and numbers mean!

So why didn't you explain them?

VinegarDrinker Mon 01-Jul-13 02:43:56

sashh so every time you see a patient you have to give them a lecture on the intricacies of current postgraduate medical training terminology? That could take a while!

Does it actually help you, as a parent of a sick kid in A&E, to know exactly that the OP has done 2 years of 'general' postgrad training and is in her 7th year of specialist training in paediatrics?

And wouldn't you think it a bit odd if she started explaining all of that rather than getting on with treating your DC?

bruxeur Mon 01-Jul-13 03:36:13

Not if you're twisting yourself in knots trying to find a reason to complain, VD. You need to think like sashh, like a professional whiner.

Clutch pearls too, if you like.

newcupboards Mon 01-Jul-13 04:17:06

YANBU

I've always wanted to ask a proper medical person the following two questions sad git that I am

1. do you call each other "Dr Spencer", "Sister Smith" and "Nurse Brown" like they do on Holby City or are you on first name terms with each other?

2. do nurses who work on the wards also work in theatre? I thought they were two different specialisms but on Holby the nurses will be attending to a patient's catheter one minute and then passing the scalpel to the surgeon in theatre the next confused

MammaTJ Mon 01-Jul-13 04:21:55

Ooo, oo, Newcupboards I have one too.

3. Why can't I decide to be a nurse, work a few months on one ward, then be fully qualified, like the black doctors daughter did in Hoby City? Why do I have to actually do a three year degree to gain the qualification?

JessieMcJessie Mon 01-Jul-13 04:36:45

vinegardrinker I believe that what sashh was asking was, "Why didn't you explain them in your OP?". That struck me as a little odd too, kind of surprised that someone who is an intelligent doctor wrote an OP that was borderline unintelligible, using jargon that she already knew to be incomprehensible to the general public, her audience on this board.

OP, YANBU. But I'm a bit worried at your ability to give jargon- free explanations to patients/families.

Or MammaTJ you could start out as an agency nurse then if you fancy it become a ward manager, then its a hop, skip and a jump to being some sort of Medical Director/Chief Exec. Easy Peasy.
(Yes Robert Powell/Chrissy from Holby's dad, I'm looking at you). grin

Back to the OP, our doctor's ID badges are like this, e.g. Doogie Howser, Doctor - ST6, Speciality, Hospital Trust. It is important that patients are clear on who is who, Transparency of care and all that.

Newcupboards first name terms here, only the very traditional 'old school' sort refer to me directly as Sister Alex in general conversation.

Same as we don't directly address our doctors as "Dr. Bloggs", unless they're of the few that have been there forever and, well you just do.

We normally use our titles when chatting to patients, e.g. "Sister Alex will do that for you" or "Dr. Billy will be along to see you soon".

Holby makes me snort, if a Dr. decided to start meddling with our off duty, dictating our roles and responsibilities or decided to discipline a nurse the way they do on that programme etc. they'd be given a very short shrift.

I love to hate Holby, do you remember the midwife who became the ward manager of the adult medical ward overnight? Who are the medical advisors on that show?!

VixZenFenchell Mon 01-Jul-13 05:20:02

newcupboards :
1. Consultants call each other by first names. Junior trainees call us Dr So&so unless invited to use a first name. I call juniors Dr So&so in front of patients and by their first names otherwise, but theatres is generally informal and I normally do invite trainees to use my first name. Nurses would use my first name mostly although in front of patients they'd probably call me Dr Fenchell.

2. Ward nurses don't work in theatre. Occasionally recovery nurses are dual trained and work in recovery / ward, occasionally theatre nurses have to help out in recovery. None of our ward nurses work in theatre and none of our theatre nurses work on the wards.

BeehavingBaby Mon 01-Jul-13 05:47:24

I am really struggling to remember what they say where I work. Midwives call all drs but consultants by their first names, I find this very unhelpful as I am a student and don't want to do that but can then never remember their surnames on the phone, when facing the patient or when writing in the notes. I would l

BeehavingBaby Mon 01-Jul-13 05:49:40

ove it all old fashioned call the midwife formal though. My badge could not be clearer but I still have to have a dayglo lanyard with student on or I can look after someone for days and they profess on discharge to being convinced I was qualified despite introductions to the contrary.

BeehavingBaby Mon 01-Jul-13 05:50:51

Midwives and nurses only call each other sister something as a joke smile

MammaTJ Mon 01-Jul-13 05:57:45

AlexReids, YY to that, thanks for highlighting my new career plan! (Btw, not seen you around much lately).

When I started care work a long time few years ago it was all a lot more formal than it is now. It was clear to all who was who in the pecking order!

LookMaw Mon 01-Jul-13 06:07:20

Beehaving - on a previous ward I trained on, there was a sister, 3 trained nurses and 6 HCA's per shift. The sister was addressed as sister and there was nothing 'jokey' about it.

MummytoKatie Mon 01-Jul-13 07:07:37

Consultant is easy to spot. He's the one with 17 people following behind him / her hanging on every word. [grin\

When dh was in hospital a few years ago the consultant came round the side of the bed to talk to dh. It was a bit of a tight space due to the positioning of the curtains. But the rest all piled in too like they were playing sardines! (Even better - they were all young, male and really really handsome. Dh got really annoyed that I would go off to do my hair ten minutes before ward rounds..,,,.)

Korovaj Mon 01-Jul-13 07:23:31

Sally, my badge says 'trainee doctor' on it despite the fact I am just about to go into st3..... That's even more confusing for people!!

VixZenFenchell Mon 01-Jul-13 07:35:30

But Korovaj - at ST3 a trainee doctor is exactly what you are. A doctor, in training. Mine used to say SpR on it, nobody had a clue - given I was obviously a girl, I was therefore a nurse of some description.

Mind you, last week a patient was convinced they'd been anaesthetised by a medical student. Was quite flattered given how rapidly 40 is approaching!

AndHarry Mon 01-Jul-13 07:50:32

MummytoKatie that is very true. When I was in after an operation the chap in charge was a massive professor trailing various lower orders of doctor in his wake like a comet. He was very French and had a booming voice that made all the junior-ish doctors jump a mile as they scrambled to explain what was wrong with me (too much morphine). I felt quite sorry for them really as they were all lovely and competent on their own but jellified infront of The Professor.

YANBU OP and I agree with ^ who said that if they were a doctor they'd want it embroidered on their smalls.

FredFredGeorge Mon 01-Jul-13 08:25:09

YABU and seem very insecure, maybe being a DR wasn't for you if it's all about the title rather than the patient?

AndHarry Mon 01-Jul-13 08:32:11

I understood the OP's point to be that the patient didn't have a clue whether they were a doctor, nurse, HCA, secretary, cleaner or Joe off the street and so she wanted 'Dr' on her name tag so they understood who was treating them. Nothing egotistical in that surely?

cardamomginger Mon 01-Jul-13 08:36:25

Absolutely you need to be clearly identifiable - to other staff, to patients, to their families. Either from your name badge or from a uniform that is unambiguous. You're not in uniform, so therefore Dr on the badge.

Vaguely horrified by this ST1 guff. What the hell is wrong with House Officer, SHO, etc? I'm betting it's not a change that's been based on anything sensible....

BinkyBinkleBinkster Mon 01-Jul-13 08:40:02

I've never met a doctor who wears a name badge. I wish they would.

cardamomginger Mon 01-Jul-13 08:41:52

AlexReids - yes! I loved/hated the episode YEARS and YEARS ago when the consultant who was a general surgeon started doing palliative care on a breast cancer patient who was inoperable, rather than referring to, at the very least oncology. Numpties.

BinkyBinkleBinkster Mon 01-Jul-13 08:43:52

Lovely Holby. Where doctors tell nurses what to do grin

hackmum Mon 01-Jul-13 09:09:30

OP, you have touched on one of my hobby horses! Have had to spend quite a bit of time in hospital over the past couple of years visiting sick relatives and I absolutely hate the fact that doctors no longer wear white coats so you don't know who to approach to ask questions - basically the doctors are indistinguishable from the nurses and admin staff. Except if you look closely the doctors are usually wearing a stethoscope. But that's it. A proper ID badge saying "Doctor" is the very least they should be offering.

What is the difference between a Mr and a Dr? I have a consultant Mr X and another consultant in a diff spec Dr Y.

I also need the badges to be bigger, and youd have thought that in the eye dept they would make them much bigger with huge font as I'm foreever asking random people things that they wouldnt have a clue about as I've no idea who they are.

ZebraOwl Mon 01-Jul-13 09:27:08

YANBU

Most people (lucky feckers) are unused to hospitals & find the whole experience of being in one very unsettling. Anything - like Clear And Proper Labelling Of Staff - that helps demystify (& thus render less stressful) the experience can only be a good thing. The system of colour-coded scrubs some hospitals have in place can be quite useful.

Other people in/from the current system will know what your lettering-numbering means but to (pretty much) anyone outside it (including other medics, as we've seen here!) you might as well have a series of hieroglyphics on your badge.

cafecito: I was essentially A Trick Question in a PACES exam recently. I genuinely thought one of the candidates I encountered on my way out might cry when I told them my actual DX meant there wasn't anything for them to find on examining me.

VinegarDrinker Mon 01-Jul-13 09:31:46

I wouldn't mind colour coded scrubs. I'm in them most of the time anyway, which confuses people as so are the midwives.

OYBBK Mr/Miss/Ms is used in surgical specialties, technically you can use it once you have completed all your postgrad Membership exams so it doesn't necessarily denote a Consultant, it could be a senior Registrar. Medical specialties stay as Dr regardless of exam status/seniority.

HolidayArmadillo Mon 01-Jul-13 09:39:57

We refer to everyone as first names, incl consultants unless we're in front of patients and then they get referred to as Mr such and such or Miss such and such. Other doctors tend to get referred to as the docs or the medical team - because I rarely recall surnames.

HolidayArmadillo Mon 01-Jul-13 09:41:40

Oh and we (midwives) can scrub in theatre and do all the handing of instruments and stuff and also work on the wards.

And we only ever call the Band 7 'sister' if we're being sarcastic, but that's just our place, I'm sure it's different elsewhere.

Startail Mon 01-Jul-13 09:46:32

A dear old friend is a Dr in a hospice and I've never dared ask if she confusses people.

She's a lovely, slightly hippy, veggie with wild long curly hair, who is just the least Doctory (if there is such a word) looking person in the world.

My DDs certainly forget she's a Dr. she doesn't remind them of the smart suited GP's (male and female) they normally see.

Thanks Vinegar - that makes a lot of sense smile

comelywenchlywoo Mon 01-Jul-13 09:51:18

Can I have a NOT Dr. badge. Apparently I have the face of a Dr. I'm really sorry everyone I can't help you, my degree is in English lit.

Beatrixpotty Mon 01-Jul-13 09:53:11

sallysparrow I agree with you,having title and specialty on the name badge is helpful.
I was in paeds A & E a few months ago.The paeds reg was wearing blues and her badge did not have a title,she could have been anyone.
I qualified in the days of PRHOs and SHOs and now I'm a GP FY etc doesn't really mean that much!
It's funny though,the non-titles badge thing has been going on for years,I was looking through DHs old name badges the other day for some Dr stuff for a school nursery toy hospital and none of the photo id badges had the title Dr on,just X Y specialty trainee but they still wore white coats then.

hazelnutlatte Mon 01-Jul-13 09:54:07

nursing ID,s are just as confusing as Drs - we tell each other apart from the colours of our uniforms, which gets very confusing if you happen to visit another hospital where the uniforms are different! Yes we have badges but they are not always noticeable, and the job titles on them are not always clear. I've just changed jobs and am feeling a bit clueless about who everyone is, this can't be ideal for patients!

RevoltingPeasant Mon 01-Jul-13 09:59:00

confused Why don't doctors just wear name badges saying

Joe Bloggs, consultant oncologist

or similar, that patients will understand?

And, why don't people in hospitals just call each other by their first names?

I have never understood this. We are all adults. I find it so weird that my consultant introduces himself as Mr X and then calls me 'Revolting'. It's not even offensive, just weird, like being back in primary school and having the headmaster round on a classroom visit.

Much prefer registrars who are my age, normal, and introduce themselves as 'Paul' or whatever.

Beatrixpotty Mon 01-Jul-13 10:14:33

Revolting as a GP I don't like being called by my first name unless they are friends outside of work.I introduce myself as Dr Potty and don't want them to call me Beatrix,it just feels wrong and too familiar.But then I would call you in as Revolting Peasant and then call you Mrs Peasant (or correct title),I would not call you Revolting.

But I like all staff and colleagues to call me Beatrix.I've worked in places where the receptionists have called me Dr Potty and that is too formal and uncomfortable.For me it's just about professional boundaries.

RevoltingPeasant Mon 01-Jul-13 10:29:43

Fair enough Beatrix. It just feels odd to me. I mean, I have a professional relationship with my solicitor and I call him by his first name. And with my students, and they all call me by my first name.

I think it probably is the only situation where I'd use titles.

But then, all medical staff (and call centre staff, etc etc) just call me 'Mrs Peasant' anyhow, regardless of the fact that it isn't my title, so I just end up opting for Revolting anyhow, since Mrs pisses me off so much.

#firstworldproblem grin

VinegarDrinker Mon 01-Jul-13 10:51:21

I introduce myself by my first name

Re. badges saying "Consultant Oncologist" etc, that's exactly what the thread is about... Technically we don't have SHOs, Registrars etc any more we have Specialty Trainee 1-7 - so the OPs badge would say - accurately - Specialty Trainee 7 or ST7 but that means diddly squat to most people. Mind you how many really understand what an SHO or Registrar is either? Some posts on MN seem to make out that a Registrar is pretty much akin to a medical student rather than someone like the OP with approx 10 years' postgrad training.

VinegarDrinker Mon 01-Jul-13 10:53:28

Meant to add re the first name thing, I do know some Consultants who usr their first names with patients but they are rare. I don't know what I'll do when I get to that stage.

I know some of our patients know our docs by their first name but most don't. They do however use an 'affectionate' nickname for at least one of them behind his back grin
In the team ( I am admin) we use first names but if talking to the patients or outside agencies I will use full names and titles. I think that's the professional way to do it. Who wants to be told that Simon will be right with you to assess your condition? You want to know that Dr or Professor X is on their way.

Crowler Mon 01-Jul-13 11:09:16

YANBU!

If I were a doctor, I would probably have "doctor" embroidered on all my clothes. Major accomplishment.

As a medical consumer, I find it so awkward not knowing if I'm seeing a doctor or nurse. I'm forced into a position of appearing as though I don't trust the nurse's judgement (which I do), but if someone is saying something to you about your condition you want to know whether it's the nurse or the doctor.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 01-Jul-13 11:11:19

I'm on first name terms with nearly all the Drs apart from anaesthetists. They're always Dr whoever.

Likewise all the anaesthetists call me "sister".

The other Drs call me by my first name.

LostInWales Mon 01-Jul-13 11:11:47

I am a radiographer and we are about to get black scrubs with 'Radiology' embroidered on the left hand above boob area. I am very excited about this grin. I am going to ROCK black scrubs.

Sorry OP, I was just excited about my new uniform. YANBU and thank you for explaining the new system, I remember when specialist regitrars were introduced [old gimmer emoticon].

I also work in a general area but can 'scrub up' for the procedures we do where the doctor is inserting something into a patient (oo er and all that). I call doctors DR so and so, nurses Nurse Surname and sisters Sister (not jokingly). I utterly, utterly hate being called nurse probably as much as nurses hate hearing me called that but I am female and in a hospital therefore must be a nurse whatever it might say on my badge.

BinkyBinkleBinkster Mon 01-Jul-13 11:16:30

I would love black scrubs. Slimming yet hides blood/poo/gore.

TeenAndTween Mon 01-Jul-13 11:21:58

YANBU

I hate going to minor injuries / A&E and not knowing whether the person we are seeing is a nurse or a doctor.

Colour coding uniforms is all very well but if you don't know the hospital you don't know the code!

LostInWales Mon 01-Jul-13 11:23:04

I have actually contemplated buying special detergent for keeping black clothes black so they stay lovely blush It's the 'Radiology' in yellow thread that just makes them perfect though. I am going to swank about like I'm in ER.

ukatlast Mon 01-Jul-13 11:23:14

Chasingdogs: 'Yes, I'm thinking of you, nervous medical person whose hands were shaking as they stuck a camera up my nose and down my throat <shakes an a half hearted angry fist> I genuinely had no idea that tubes going through your nasal cavity could hurt that bloody much.'

Just wondering Chasingdogs - did they spray the local anaesthetic spray first and wait a few minutes....because if not that is probably why it was so bad.
I had one done recently whilst in A&E and the senior person doing it tried to persuade me the local anaesthetic spray wasn't necessary/told me people don't like the smell BUT I INSISTED and found it bearable though not pleasant. How many others have been naively talked out of it by our wonderful NHS I wonder? Grrr!

ON name badges it should be DR - First Name- Surname and whatever other weird reference point they want.

Weegiemum Mon 01-Jul-13 11:24:14

I really don't like it when some apparently 13 year old junior introduces themselves as "Dr" but then refers to me by my first name. I'm in hospital regularly for an IV treatment, I find it intensely stressful and I don't want to be patronised.

I usually refer to my consultant by his first name - he was at medical school with my husband! I know my dh, who has been a GP for 15 years, always introduces himself by his first name. A patient of his we met recently referred to me as "Mrs Doctor"! Now that was a step too far!!

LostInWales Mon 01-Jul-13 11:26:01

I think all of Wales has the same colour coding so once you have learned it for one Welsh hospital you will know it all. It does seem a bit daft if different hospitals have different uniforms. When I was training, back in the dark ages, all nurses everywhere wore the same blue check dress, auxilliarys had a beige check, physios white with blue piping, radiographers white with bugundy and we all wore dresses with big elastic belts!

Wabbitty Mon 01-Jul-13 11:27:30

BUT unless you have a phd you are technically NOT a Dr, you are a medic or a physician

LastTangoInDevonshire Mon 01-Jul-13 12:31:57

Perhaps the scrapping of white coats for doctors confuses things even more. At least when Doctors wore white coats us patients had an INKLING that we were talking to a professional, not just another patient who had nicked a stethoscope!

Snazzywaitingforsummer Mon 01-Jul-13 12:36:23

Wabbitty yes but in context, ie in a hospital, I think most people would read the 'Dr' title for what it is, that the person wearing the badge has a degree in medicine and is qualified to make decisions about their care, and that they are a doctor rather than a nurse. That seems helpful to me, disregarding the 'Dr is a courtesy title' technicality which I do have sympathy with.

OP, YANBU. Clearer labelling all round! Patients shouldn't have to work out the coding of people's uniforms, or mysterious acronyms, to know who they are talking to...

newcupboards Mon 01-Jul-13 15:54:24

Thanks for the answers re. Holby grin. I'm always amazed how cheeky/bolshie the nurses are with the consultants - would they get away with that in RL? I thought everyone had to genuflect to the consultants.

<hopes no-one will point out that Holby isn't real and gorgeous Mr Spence is merely a married actor>

Highlander Mon 01-Jul-13 16:37:32

When I was working in the NHS, you weren't allowed titles. Mostly because they were worried that us PhDers would run amok in the hospital pretending to be doctors hmm

mignonette Mon 01-Jul-13 16:41:06

Yes to Dr for two reasons- people need to know what you do, who you are and where you are in the food chain and who you are accountable to upwards.
Secondly, after all those years of training, ones in which you have worked hard for your qualification, why shouldn't you 'celebrate' it?

mignonette Mon 01-Jul-13 16:44:04

I'm a senior nurse and I've never geneflucted to a Doctor in my life. Respected their opinion and experience? Yes. Capitulated to the title or position alone? No. And the teasing/ banter and debates can get very lively smile

I have as much experience, skill and ability as many of the doctors I work with but in a different way. We compliment each other.

mignonette Mon 01-Jul-13 16:44:51

Gen*u*flect not genefluct blush

itsblackoveryonderhill Mon 01-Jul-13 17:47:38

yanbu. I would want to be able to clearly see who was who in a hospital.

It is the same in any profession. I work in a college an all staff, whether admin, support or teaching staff wear the same coloured lanyard, but we all have our main title in bold, then our names. it allows visitors and students alomg with other members of staff to see who does what.

HolidayArmadillo Mon 01-Jul-13 18:09:44

I don't watch Holby but I bet where I work the consultants get a lot more grief than you could realistically show on a family program in terms of the staff banter. Having said that we all respect each other in terms of experience in different areas, but genuflecting towards someone purely because they have a title at the beginning of their name? Nope, not where I work. I think some of the newer doctors are a bit scared of us anyway ;-) can't wait until August where we get a whole bunch of brand new ones to terrify wink (another reason why I'd never be a doctor- nurses and midwives are genuinely a bit intimidating when you're brand new, must be awful for them when they're in their foundation years).

McNewPants2013 Mon 01-Jul-13 18:29:32

i worked cleaning on NHS wards for 10 years and the uniforms still confuse me.

I know the diffrence between nurses, nursing auxillary and student nurses. The other just confuse me.

Housemum Mon 01-Jul-13 18:42:24

I've only just got to grips with FY1 & FY2, never heard of an ST we still have registrars and clinical fellows! I'm a ward clerk, glad that we now have a uniform (even though it is an ill-fitting shirt that you have to up about 3 sizes in!). For the first few weeks I was wearing my own clothes, a smart blouse and skirt, and people kept assuming I was one of the doctors as they are the only people in "normal" clothes!

Our Healthcare Assistants used to wear white tunics, but it was easy to mix them up with physios (white tunics with piping) or student nurses as 2 local universities use white tunics. They now wear peppermint green striped tunics - mmm, nice (particularly as 3 on our floor are male)

hotbot Mon 01-Jul-13 19:13:15

Ignoring thread completely , but would just like to say that the
politicians aspire for the nhs to be like holby , that's where they get their ideas from.

duckylou Fri 29-Nov-13 03:44:04

hi
usually a stethoscope around the neck or in pocket, is all it takes smile

Jollyb Fri 29-Nov-13 04:00:42

White coats for doctors have been reintroduced into the hospital I was last working at. They have 'DOCTOR' embroidered on. Consultants have their names and speciality embroidered on. They are short sleeved and meant to be changed daily to reduce infection risk.

Was a little bit reluctant to wear one to start with but got used to it quite quickly.

Defnotsupergirl Fri 29-Nov-13 05:33:15

Yes please for Dr on name badge and preferably the field they are a doctor in. I would much prefer to know who I am talking to and that they have even a basic level of qualification. Too many other general care people offer opinions that they are not really qualified to make including the previous receptionist at my GP.

Footle Fri 29-Nov-13 06:21:53

My father died at home some years ago and we had help from wonderful nurses ( in nurse outfits ) and equally wonderful Marie Curie nurses ( in plain clothes). He was confused by the MC nurses as he kept thinking they must be family friends but he didn't know them. He was much more relaxed with the recognizable nurses because he could see who they were and why they were there.

YANBU. If you are a children's doctor, worried parents should be clear on who you are. When DS was rushed in to paed's I didn't hear the "waffle", just the bit where they told me what they were doing to help him. So a badge to check later, when I was less stressed, would have been great.

I work in a school and have changed role recently, I have asked for a badge which states that role. Then when I attend some fraught meetings everyone knows the capacity in which I am attending-rather than just turning up for the free coffee.

OHforDUCKScake Fri 29-Nov-13 08:14:26

Ducky you would have actually needed to search for this thread.

Why would you even search these words?

How very odd.

FuzzyWuzzywasaWoman Fri 29-Nov-13 10:25:41

I work in theatre, we always refer to each other as Dr xxx Mr xxx ( surgeon) sister xx, or Matron, in front of the patients, and even in a professional capacity eg in a meeting or on the phone. Anyone non medical who is a lower grade than sister/ team leader would just be a first name. If I didn't know the doctor very well I would even refer to them as Dr xxx on a one to one basis, but I'm quite old school. If someone is a professor, they get professor xxxx in front of patients or just Proff (no name) on a one to basis. Ward nurses do not come to theatre and scrub.

In answer to your op I think you should have Dr on your name badge as this is how you would introduce your self to a patient, you should also have your grade after your name to for other staff to know what level you are at ( if that makes sense?)

WhereIsMyHat Fri 29-Nov-13 10:33:44

If I had worked hard to become a doctor I would certainly want that on my badge so YANBU.

duckylou Sat 30-Nov-13 06:37:06

Ohforduckscake

Not sure what your question is !

What is your question about the thread?

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