To park over my neighbours drive

(134 Posts)
asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 21:53:34

Just really wanted some opinions really. Today I parked over my neighbour's drive. There was a reason for me doing this I wasn't being a total arse.

Basically I have two very young children and live on a road where every other house has a drive as we live by a station many people tend to park their cars on my road all day and go off to work. Unfortunately, I don't have a drive.

I've been getting increasingly annoyed with my neighbour who lives across the road for the past year she has only parked her car in her drive a few times instead she chooses to park outside her house on the road. i think she does this so that her visitors are guaranteed a parking spot on her drive.

Anyway I came home from shopping today and was unable to find parking on my road. With Two young kids under the age of 2 and 20 shopping bags i Saw her car not on her drive and just got so annoyed that I parked over her drive. She came out we exchanged words I told her how selfish she was being and she told me to move my car. I informed her that I would not move the car until a spot became available to park in and if she was so concerned to park her car in her drive and I would park my car where her car was.

To cut a long story short she refused and said she was expecting visitors so they could use her drive.

I left my car there over an hour until a parking spot became available then I moved my car.

Just to add she has no kids and leaves her car on the road for weeks at a time so taking up a parking spot.

I told a friend about what I did and she said i was being unreasonable. Just wondered if this is normal behaviour got those that have drives or am I a total bitch hmm

SantanaLopez Tue 25-Jun-13 21:56:20

YABU, it's her property.

Shutupanddrive Tue 25-Jun-13 21:56:48

YABU, it's her drive not yours! And she has as much right to park on the road as anyone else

Shutupanddrive Tue 25-Jun-13 21:57:38

So you have more right because you have children and she doesn't? Really?

WildlingPrincess Tue 25-Jun-13 21:58:25

YABU. Sorry.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:15

Sorry, YAB totally U.

Go and live in a different house or get your shopping delivered if you can't manage.

Your neighbour is being a PITA but you are still BU.

exoticfruits Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:19

YABU - she isn't responsible for you not having a drive. She can park in the road, and I can quite see why she would if she has visitors coming.

PoppadomPreach Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:21

As much as I understand your frustration and cannot imagine how difficult it is with two small kids and shopping, you were wrong as she is perfectly and legally entitled to park on the road just like you. Parking there for a quick ten minutes just to unload your shopping would have been wrong, but forgivable. Parking there for an hour out of spite is absolutely not on.

By I really do feel for you - I have lived on a road like this and the parking was a nightmare, even without kids.

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:56

YABU. She was saving her drive space for visitors.

WireCat Tue 25-Jun-13 22:00:31

Yabu.

runningonwillpower Tue 25-Jun-13 22:00:36

Sorry, I see where you are coming from but if she chooses to park in a public highway then she is entitled to do so.

But if it's any consolation I think that she is unreasonable too.

Dahlialover Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:00

I don't think you were being unreasonable. It might make her think another time......if you are lucky.

ZZZenagain Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:21

I can understand why you did it but it was a bit aggressive. The parking situation generally sounds bad. Not sure what can be done about it, frustrating for you

ChuckitintheBucket Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:24

I can understand why this winds you up but really you have no right to park on her property. Yabu.

Ginderella Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:25

Is this a reverse AIBU?

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:34

And also, by visitors, she may have meant carers, or any number of things that are also none of your business.

She was being an arse. But you were in the wrong. Sorry.

AlpacaPicnic Tue 25-Jun-13 22:03:29

It gets mentioned a LOT on here that as long as you are not blocking someone in (i.e. as long as her car was not on the drive unable to get out) then it is perfectly legal to block someones driveway.

But I'm just repeating hearsay...

gordyslovesheep Tue 25-Jun-13 22:04:09

yab massively unreasonable sorry - having a drive does not mean she has no legal right to park on a public road - you should have got a house with a drive if it was that important

WorrySighWorrySigh Tue 25-Jun-13 22:04:23

YABU

- Having children and lots of shopping is your problem not your neighbour's
- Not having off-road parking is your problem not your neighbour's
- Both you and your neighbour are permitted to park on the road. Your neighbour got there first. That is your problem not your neighbour's.

Cravey Tue 25-Jun-13 22:04:43

I'm afraid I would have had you towed. You were selfish and rude. How on earth does your neighbour put up with you.

YeahBuddy Tue 25-Jun-13 22:05:29

Unfortunately YABU, but you have my sympathies as I have a very similar problem with my neighbour!

Punkatheart Tue 25-Jun-13 22:06:19

Why was the neighbour being an arse? I don't see that at all. I see a woman who has kept her own drive for her own visitors - then got cross when someone parks there instead. Sorry OP - you have no right to park on someone else's property. It would make me cross too.

Dahlialover Tue 25-Jun-13 22:06:25

I don't think you could get her towed - it is the public highway after all. The neighbour does not own the public highway next to the drive either.

WandaDoff Tue 25-Jun-13 22:06:42

I can totally understand your frustration, but you went a bit too far.

YABU. Sorry.

gwenniebee Tue 25-Jun-13 22:06:51

If the commuters parking there is such an issue why not see if the council will impose a no parking zone from 10am-11am? This is what is done on the streets round us to prevent people leaving their cars all day. Or maybe a residents' parking scheme would be better. I feel for you, but you WBU.

asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:07:15

No it's not a reverse Aibu I actually did this today. It just wound me up so much so I guess the majority feel I was in the wrong I can accept that. for the record she doesn't have a carer nor any disability.

AlpacaPicnic Tue 25-Jun-13 22:07:37

Did you park on her driveway or just in front of it?

WhoNickedMyName Tue 25-Jun-13 22:08:02

YABU.

If you want a guaranteed parking space then flag your front garden so you can park on it, or move house, and next time pick somewhere that has a drive.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:08:15

Could you have put your hazards on, unloaded the shopping, then reparked?

She is being a bit selfish but I suspect what you did just made her less likely to help you out.

I've also heard what alpaca says, though - that it's not illegal to park across a driveway unless you're blocking someone in. I think whether or not there's a dropped kerb makes a difference too?

MaureenMLove Tue 25-Jun-13 22:09:02

OK, so you parked over her drive. Do you mean you parked on a public highway, crossing her dropped kerb? If so, if her car was not on the drive, you weren't actually breaking any laws.

However, I do think you could have handled it a bit better. You could have knocked and asked her if it was OK to just park your car there whilst you unload the shopping, then parked it somewhere else.

It is frustrating, but she has no legal obligation to park on her drive. Yes, it would be nice and considerate to neighbours, but she doesn't have to.

merrymouse Tue 25-Jun-13 22:09:25

I think if I'd be looking for anew house. Must be a nightmare.

crashdoll Tue 25-Jun-13 22:09:45

YABU and entitled.

asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:03

I parked over her drive I did not block her in I would never do that. I am planning on moving in the next year or so and will definitely be buying a property with a drive!!!

IsabelleRinging Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:19

YABU, we could be your neighbour as we do exactly the same. We payed for a house with a drive and use it as we choose for our own convenience.

microserf Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:31

Technically you were being unreasonable yes. I have some sympathy for you though.

LastOrdersAtTheBra Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:35

YABU if she parked on her drive then another person using the station would park on the road and you still wouldn't have a space. Presumably she paid to have a drive put in, or paid more for her house because it had a drive and you didn't. Our neighbours have no kids and 5 cars, we have no drive and they do, I would never even consider parking over their drive, even if it was empty, as I'm not an inconsiderate arse.

katydid02 Tue 25-Jun-13 22:13:42

YABU, isn't it against the highway code to park blocking a dropped kerb? Aside from that it is plain rude

MrGeresHamster Tue 25-Jun-13 22:14:25

YABU, your parking issues are no concern to your neighbour.

katydid02 Tue 25-Jun-13 22:15:07

Yes, it's an offence - here

jacks365 Tue 25-Jun-13 22:15:53

It is an offence to park over a dropped kerb and you can be ticketed for it depending on local laws but you can't however be towed unless you are blocking a car in.

Ywbu

Itsaboatjack Tue 25-Jun-13 22:16:18

If the neighbour wanted to keep her drive for her visitors she could have parked across it herself then moved onto it when friends arrived and they could then have parked where she was. YANBU.

MyShoofly Tue 25-Jun-13 22:17:07

YABU sorry. I can understand why your frustrated but its hardly this one woman parking on the street that is the problem. If she didn't park on the road her visitors would have anyway. Besides, as mentioned above it is a public street free for whomever to park wherever they like.

There is a hospice in our residential neighbourhood and the staff park forever directly right in front of my house ongoing. I don't like it, but that is really my issue alone as its a public street.

Still, sorry you have such a difficult parking situation with 2 young kids to deal with OP.

SkinnybitchWannabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:17:23

This is ehy I would never buy a house without its own drive! wink

everlong Tue 25-Jun-13 22:18:52

Don't believe you sorry.

Er. The neighbour was being an arse, imo, as she had deliberately left her drive free for a visitor, rather than letting them take pot luck on the road. Still doesn't make what the op did right.

morganster Tue 25-Jun-13 22:21:14

YABU. Get a house with a drive if it's that important to you. But the roads will always be first come, first served. It's not for you to control where people park.

Dahlialover Tue 25-Jun-13 22:24:40

My dad lives on a road like this with the only drive. If he has a visitor who cannot park in the road, they park over his drive. After all, if you are visiting him, he isn't going anywhere. Simples.

Neighbour is arse.

OwlinaTree Tue 25-Jun-13 22:25:58

YABU. what do your children have to do with it? ffs

Justfornowitwilldo Tue 25-Jun-13 22:28:21

It's her property and her right. Your main problem is commuters parking because you're near the station? You need to ask the council to make it permit holders only.

MaybeBentley Tue 25-Jun-13 22:28:24

But it is only the OP's opinion that she is not parking on her own drive to keep it free for visitors " I think she does this so that her visitors are guaranteed a parking spot on her drive." So why is everyone getting so judgemental about her choosing to park on the road (where she has just as much right to park as everyone else) and have legal access to the drive she paid for?

toffeelolly Tue 25-Jun-13 22:30:18

Yabu you were out of order!

MaybeBentley Tue 25-Jun-13 22:30:38

Re-reading my last post I may have been unclear ... I was asking why those criticising the lady the OP is moaning about are being judgmental, not people telling the OP she IBU>

50BalesOfHay Tue 25-Jun-13 22:31:02

Buy a house with parking if you need it that badly. Don't be chippy with neighbours.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 25-Jun-13 22:32:37

Yabu.

You having young children isn't her problem.

myron Tue 25-Jun-13 22:36:14

YABU. I would be pissed off that my visitors/family/DH could not access my own driveway because my neighbour deliberately blocked it due to your reasoning. You are blocking access into the driveway so you are actually making the car parking problem worse - I would think that you were a crazy nutter!

ChairmanWow Tue 25-Jun-13 22:38:27

YANBU. If anyone is entitled it's your neighbour. She lives on a street where parking spaces are hard to find and takes one when she has a perfectly good drive? Totally selfish. Good for you for taking her on. She needs to show a bit more consideration for her neighbours.

Next time park in her drive when she hogs a space in the road grin

AlbertoFrog Tue 25-Jun-13 22:38:59

Sorry OP but YABU.

Good luck with moving to a house with a driveway btw. Myself and my neighbour have shared access (width of two cars) and each have a driveway which can fit 4 cars at a push. Unfortunately my neighbours cannot park their cars properly and constantly block the access. They have even gone so far as to park on our driveway. Twice overnight. We used to ask nicely for them to move but have been sworn at on more than one occasion even though they are in the wrong and I now refuse to enter into any conversation with them.

Police claim it's a civil matter. The local authority will only offer mediation.

I hanker after the days I stayed in an upstairs flat grin

eurozammo Tue 25-Jun-13 22:39:09

YABU. If you want guaranteed parking near your house, buy/rent a house with a drive.

foreverondiet Tue 25-Jun-13 22:39:57

Can you not get a drive?

TidyDancer Tue 25-Jun-13 22:42:20

How can you possibly think this was anything near reasonable?!

You are fortunate your neighbour is nice enough to not have you towed.

You are not a very nice neighbour at all.

BrianTheMole Tue 25-Jun-13 22:43:23

YABU. She is allowed to park on the road as are you, but you are not allowed to park over someones drive. You don't own the road and you can't dictate who parks there.

asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:44:07

Ok I guess Iwbu then. To put it into context the council are putting residents permits on the surrounding roads due to the problems around parking ours is the last road to be done that's why over the last week or so every one is parking here.

I did apply to have a drive but this was refused as it would have a negative impact on the ever problematic parking issue.

I've lived on this street for over 7 years and never done anything like this. It's only since being on maternity leave that I have noticed that people on my street who have drives do this. I'm not saying they have no right to do this but just it's becoming the norm .

TheOldestCat Tue 25-Jun-13 22:44:14

YABU, but you've already been told that loud and clear! So I'll offer some support - I know exactly how you feel as we live in a terrace with on-street parking. The house opposite is the only one with a drive - they have two spaces free on it, but take up a space on the road with their car, so they hire out one space and keep the other free for visitors.

So I've had to park miles away and lug shopping and small children (particularly annoying when I had a toddler and newborn) home. My neighbours (who are lovely and friendly, by the way) have often watched me do this in the rain and waved as I've struggled by their window. grin

Them's the breaks, I'm afraid. Your neighbours are within their rights legally and while morally it's a pisser, there's nothing you can do.

But wanted to let you know you are not alone and I can see where you're coming from (but don't park in front of their drive!).

southeastastra Tue 25-Jun-13 22:47:39

i'd have done the same, i know it's 'unreasonable' but so is she if she is taking a place on the road when she has a drive (i take it she only has the one car?) the neighbours opposite my mil do this, take up two parking spaces on the road so no-one else can park there, then don't use their drive! it's crackers. Also read on here you can park if there is no car on the drive. hopefully she will think about taking all the parking places in future.

IShallCallYouSquishy Tue 25-Jun-13 22:47:48

Is your name Mrs BOB?

Oh and YABU. Very.

HotCrossPun Tue 25-Jun-13 22:48:20

YANBU.

She has a drive, she should park in it. Her visitors should park in the street when they arrive.

nipersvest Tue 25-Jun-13 22:51:08

yabu, but... "can you not get a drive?" that did make me lol, where is the op supposed to get a driveway from, amazon?

asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:54:57

Thanks theoldestcat I'm coming across as a right cow on this thread but I also have in the past on numerous occasions park really far from home and dragged my newborn and toddler in the rain.

BriansBrain Tue 25-Jun-13 22:56:11

I understand your frustration but you were still bu

Swanhilda Tue 25-Jun-13 22:56:56

YANBU. This used to happen in our road, and I was the only house left with a garden and no driveway. Why should I have had to park my car streets away or concrete over my front garden just because other people are so selfish? Luckily now we have a CPZ and I am laughing because I still have a lovely front garden, AND can park. Lobby council for controlled parking, especially if you are near a station.
We have incidentally, two neighbours who have never EVER used their driveways but just keep it to ensure their cars (parked on road of course) are never blocked in. It drives me potty that our street has been destroyed in this way. Concrete everywhere, and trees cut down when they are in the way of driveways sad

asianbabe Tue 25-Jun-13 22:59:44

Icallyouswishy I don't understand your comment

TheOldestCat Tue 25-Jun-13 23:00:16

Oh I know - it's a right pain.

When we moved here, DH and I made a pact - we would never complain about the parking. We knew what we were getting into. Well, I've broken that pact (not DH - but then he doesn't drive or come out with us much, so it doesn't affect him).

I even left a note on a bad parker's car once. Passive aggressive me!

GreenShadow Tue 25-Jun-13 23:05:09

YABU for having 20 shopping bags!

Use large bags for life next time and you'll find you only need 7 or 8 (my usual number for a family of 5 inc 3 large teenage boys).

YABU for taking two kids under 2 to the supermarket! Are you crazy?Online shopping is a sanity saver (and hopefully Ocado man will park across the entrance to her drive and cause maximum irritation)

DoctorAnge Tue 25-Jun-13 23:17:49

YABVVVU

MyShoofly Tue 25-Jun-13 23:19:44

She needs to show a bit more consideration for her neighbours

Actually she doesn't NEED to - its a public street. I'd have OP towed for parking in my drive...that is not really good advice.

MidniteScribbler Wed 26-Jun-13 04:05:28

I can see why it would annoy you (it would drive me insane) but she's not legally doing anything wrong, and you can't then break the law to make a point.

If you'd have tried honey instead of vinegar, you could have approached her and asked if she would mind you parking on her drive whenever you need to unload something and move your car when finished and she probably would have said yes. But now, she's likely to tell you to go jump.

What in gods name has it got to do with you where she parks her car?

Your shopping struggle is your issue and you obviously need to go at a time when you have someone to help you or get it delivered if you can't do it without it being a huge problem but it's certainly not her problem.

oldnewmummy Wed 26-Jun-13 05:24:15

It sounds like her car sits there all day, occupying a space on the road, whereas you're in and out all the time?

Why not go round with a bunch of flowers, apologise, and offer to pay a small monthly fee for the use of her driveway, on the understanding that you'll move your car when she has visitors?

lecce Wed 26-Jun-13 05:46:16

I think you were UR to stay for an hour, but I think she is being too. I have a drive I don't like using because it's too steep and I feel like I'm stuck on a roller-coaster when I'm on it, so I park on the road. However, I park across the dropped-kerb so am not taking space anyone else could use as they wouldn't be able to park there if my car was on the drive. If I'm saving the space for visitors, I park there and swap the cars around when they arrive. I can't see why your neighbour doesn't do the same.

However, you ABU to mention her not having children as that has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Also, I notice you mention that she leaves the car in one spot for weeks at a time. If that is the case, it makes her sound a little old/vulnerable like she doesn't go out much and, if it's like that, I would leave her be, tbh. I may have added up 2 and 2 and got 23 there, though!

Bejeena Wed 26-Jun-13 07:14:22

I understand your frustration but you are totally being unreasonable not to mention the fact that you are probably asking to get your car keyed or tyres slashed by her husband/son/brother

BMW6 Wed 26-Jun-13 07:31:53

I cannot believe that ANYONE thinks you were being anything other than totally unreasonable, entitled and arrogant.

When you get your new house with your own drive, I'm sure you won't object to anyone parking over your drive because there aren't any spaces on the public road (as if) hmm

southeastastra Wed 26-Jun-13 08:02:45

'entitled' it having a drive then using up all the road space to park in whilst leaving the drive empty

pianodoodle Wed 26-Jun-13 08:28:14

You had no reason to be so rude. How does she know you'veben increasingly annoyed with her?

A bit of politeness? "Sorry to bother you but do you mind if I stop here while I unpack my shopping?"

You might find she'd have been very accommodating.

You didn't give her the chance though. If someone did that to me and their attitude was "well tough" I'd have been furious. Totally uncalled for.

DeepRedBetty Wed 26-Jun-13 08:36:43

IcallyouSquishy was referring to another parking thread that's ongoing about a lady who routinely parks in/over drives, on the zigzags, generally really selfishly and who is being called Mrs BOB on the thread. Will link to it if I can find it.

ilovechips Wed 26-Jun-13 08:47:47

I'm shocked that this isn't a reverse aibu! Your shopping dramas with young children are not your neighbour's concern. I agree with the posters who say they'd have had you towed - shockingly rude, unreasonable and entitled behaviour! Wait until you have got your own drive, then see how reasonable you think it is when someone blocks your access because they can't be arsed to walk a few more steps, because they think having kids means they shouldn't have to! (And yes I have got kids)

Get your shopping online and delivered if parking is so bad.

Slightly selfish of her to park all over the street but really you are in the wrong for assuming you are entitled to park on her property. She will maybe get you towed next time OP , tough shit for not having your own drive.

Bluecarrot Wed 26-Jun-13 09:02:53

Yabu - to park there for a few mins to unload shopping, then move to a proper space, the neighbour shouldn't complain really.

To block her drive then be aggressive with her is v unreasonable of you.

When you say every other house has a drive do you mean everyone has a drive except you? Or only one out of every two houses has a drive? If the latter, I did read somewhere about getting your road made private parking only ( on other parking thread) maybe you could look into that and see if neighbours give their support.

Xiaoxiong Wed 26-Jun-13 09:09:52

OP, good for you for accepting that YWBU and you won't do it again.

At least as you say, your road will soon be made residents' parking only so hopefully it's only a matter of time before the situation eases. Could you call the council to find out when that's scheduled to happen, so you have something to look forward to?

soverylucky Wed 26-Jun-13 09:10:09

Annoying as it is she is doing nothing wrong and YABU.
Perhaps her visitors are elderly, infirm, have small children, lots of luggage or she simply wants to be a good friend and let them have somewhere to park. You knew when you moved in there was no drive for you and that you were near a station. I am sure the price of your house or your rent reflects this.

canweseethebunnies Wed 26-Jun-13 09:11:23

I think you went about it in a bit of an aggressive way but I don't think you we're totally unreasonable. My neighbours asked me to move my car when they'd been shopping so they could be closer to their house. They are not blue badge holders, but they are elderly and it's a struggle for them to carry their shopping across the road. It's also a struggle for someone with two under twos to carry their shopping a long distance, as it inevitably means leaving the children unattended, either in the house or the car.

I could have told my neighbours 'sorry, it's a public highway, I can park where I like. Why don't you move to a house with drive?' But I didn't, because I was being considerate.

Also, why can't her visitors park across her drive when her car's in it?

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 26-Jun-13 09:13:22

Like Lecce I have a really steep and tight drive that I can't park on but I always offer it up to my neighbours visitors if I'm parked on the road they are welcome to have a bash at my drive

MrsBucketxx Wed 26-Jun-13 09:15:41

Yabu

I would have called the police, its an offence.

hopefully the ticket will have taught you a lesson.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 26-Jun-13 09:26:13

Did she get a ticket? Apparently it's illegal to block someone in their drive but not to block them out, not saying its right though. Canweseethebunnies has a good point it would be helpful if her visitors could do that and maybe if you'd approached it differently she may have agreed to this. It is extremely frustrating not to be able to park in your own road and I guess that's why you lost your temper, parking is a big issue nowadays just look at all the threads there are just too many cars around

YABU and a total pain in the arse neighbour.

pickle79 Wed 26-Jun-13 09:29:55

You can't be towed for parking in front of a drive if the car isn't on it - only if you block a car on the drive.

You were a bit unreasonable but she was more unreasonable. My neighbours refuse to park in their drive so I understand your frustration - however, they think their spot is in front of our house because they're not allowed to park in front of theirs! Imagine how annoying that is!

In future I'd try not to get angry and park elsewhere even though it's frustrating if you have too. I'd use her spot for a minute if I ever needed to unload heavy stuff though and explain you'll just be a minute.

Dont let her or the lack of parking get to you it isn't worth it. x

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 26-Jun-13 09:32:32

Do you have a drive Pickle?

DeepRedBetty Wed 26-Jun-13 09:39:23

This is the Mrs Bob Thread. Well, the first one. It's gone to a second thread that's on 200 + messages...

pickle79 Wed 26-Jun-13 09:41:10

No we don't have drive. Yesterday I had to walk a poorly two month old from the next road after a doctors visit because my neighbours had parked in front of our house. Why they can't park on their drive, or in front of their drive I don't know!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 26-Jun-13 09:43:12

Didn't this OP park over an empty drive though? If I've got it wrong and she blocked them in then shes BVU

WillSantaComeAgain Wed 26-Jun-13 09:46:48

Why didn't you just ask politely if you could stay there for a few minutes while you unpacked your shopping? Or go round and ask (nicely) if there's any chance she could move her car onto her drive so you could park.

Now you've wound her up and have no chance of her ever being co-operative at all.

Why don't you convert the front of your house into a driveway instead of complaining how unfair it is that you don't have one? Unless you're in HA property then you knew what you were taking on when you bought/signed the rental agreement. You pays your money, you takes your choices.

asianbabe Wed 26-Jun-13 09:47:39

Thanks for all the replies I can see how this issue can get people so worked up. I did not get a ticket and she did not call the police. I did go and speak to her in the morning and explained to her how I felt and to be honest she was very sympathetic and we both apologised me for losing my temper and parking over her drive and her for swearing at me. She was just pissed off I didn't ask her before I did it. In future we agreed that I would ask before I park there.

I also asked her why she didn't park in her drive and she didn't really give an answer. I guess it's none of my business anyway but I was just curious.

I guess it's

I will look into to see if I can chase up the council regarding cpz.

hernow Wed 26-Jun-13 09:51:32

YABU and you in the circumstances if you would both behave in an understanding manner then life would be a lot happier. Why do people have to cause upset and argue over things like this? Why can't people just show consideration and help each other? Imagine how much nicer a place your road would be if the locals would talk and show each other respect and consideration. For this reason I would rather rent until something became available where everyday things like good parking was not a problem, because too many people choose the aggressive route rather than talk and compromise. As for the commuters parking can you not approach the council to ask for yellow lines which stop people parking for a short time in the morning and again in the afternoon so that their cars cannot be parked there all day? Then again whoever heard of a council being considerate of the local needs if there isn't money in it for them?

MaxPepsi Wed 26-Jun-13 11:14:41

Well done OP, you apologised and sorted it out.

As for 'the neighbour is doing nothing wrong', I suspect that she probably is. Invalidating her insurance by telling them she has a drive then parking on the street!!

Dahlialover Wed 26-Jun-13 11:30:46

The neighbour is has a drive she is not using, taking space where the dropped kerb is for the drive she is not using and using space in the road, in a street where her neighbours have trouble parking. I'm not sure she is that far in the right, even if it can be considered technically so.

I hope she thinks a bit more about what she is doing too, now that you have spoken to her.

Well done you for sorting this out in a sensible manner. There is no reason to think she would have been receptive to you if you had not first parked over her drive, so no need to feel guilty. I hope the council parking permit system will make this better for you.

Ezza1 Wed 26-Jun-13 11:43:09

I don't understand why the neighbour cannot park in her drive and have her visitors park over the drive (like you did) confused

But yabu anyway. Do shopping online next time and take the kids to the park instead (walking. ..)

asianbabe Wed 26-Jun-13 12:07:40

I just got back from Playgroup again not one parking spot on my road so I parked really far away from my house. Neighbours car is still outside her house and her drive is empty.
To be honest I still can't understand why she doesn't use her drive.

I guess this will always niggle me until I move !!!

quoteunquote Wed 26-Jun-13 12:18:27

Just put in a drive where you live.

Truffkin Wed 26-Jun-13 12:18:48

I hate arsey neighbours! I can't see why she can't park on her own drive and then let her visitors block her in. I should imagine that 'ranty harassed mother' won't make her any more empathetic to you than she previously was though! You were both unreasonable IMO.

Happy moving grin

hamilton75 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:24:07

YABU.. Totally unreasonable to be honest. If its a public highway with no restrictions she can park where the hell she likes, its none of your business if she chooses not to use her drive. Also its not her problem your kids and shopping.

YAB Totally unreasonable.

She is as entitled to park on the road as you are - the fact that she has a drive is irrelevant. She is saving it for visitors and thats her perogative.

See, this is why I would never buy a house with off road parking!

She pays her road tax, she can park where she likes.

without off road parking....duh!!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 26-Jun-13 12:33:29

She can (and does) seem to park where she likes but I can totally see why it aggravates, you need to get a drive or move

morganster Wed 26-Jun-13 12:44:13

She might have a drive like us; it's a really narrow concrete plinth and our neighbour has a big bush in the way so you can't see to pull out safely. It's also too short so our car sticks out 2 feet onto the pavement preventing anyone with a double buggy or a mobility scooter getting past.

I think we'd try harder to park there if there were a shortage of spaces on the roadside though.

tiggerpigger Wed 26-Jun-13 12:48:51

Yab very u. Sort your parking problems iut yourself

cumfy Wed 26-Jun-13 12:49:11

YABU, but I wish they would tax driveways at the going rate for a resident permit, they permanently take up a car parking space.

Well done for apologising .... you were BU. If you feel so strongly about ease-of-parking / guaranteed parking, you need to prioritise having off-street parking when making your choice of house to live in.

sparklesandbling Wed 26-Jun-13 15:13:43

YABU
people think they can justify any type of bad parking (including using disabled spaces even if not disabled because their need is more important)

-climbs on high stool -

sparklesandbling Wed 26-Jun-13 15:13:59

#off

katydid02 Thu 27-Jun-13 06:01:42

The thing is though, asianbabe, you chose to buy a house without a drive so you have to take responsibility for your choices and deal with the consequences - not your neighbour.

Jaynebxl Thu 27-Jun-13 06:09:03

Any reason why you can't put a drive in? Not read every page so may have missed that obvious solution.

asianbabe Thu 27-Jun-13 17:19:01

I know that It was my choice to buy this house without a drive. On my particular road every other house has a drive so i kind of assumed that the few parking spots that were available would be left for those who lived here that didn't have drives. I have noticed a few of my neighbours don't use their drives and will often save their drives for their visitors and family. This makes it really tough for others who also live on the road to park. I have enquired about having a drive put in but was declined as the council are already aware of the parking issue and will not authorise it.

southeastastra Thu 27-Jun-13 17:28:37

i bet all the yabu's have drives they keep empty for 'visitors' wink

there are some selfish feckers about these days

asianbabe Thu 27-Jun-13 17:33:41

Thanks southeastastra finally someone sees it from my point of view. The sad thing is that the drives on my street are massive and can each accommodate up to 2 cars each hmm

FasterStronger Thu 27-Jun-13 18:16:06

personally I think if you have a drive you should use it, but if you choose not to, well, its your choice!

if we didn't park on the drive and a neighbour suggested that we should, I would wonder what planet they were on. there are many things I would prefer other people to do, but I don't go around telling them how to live their own lives.

Curleyhazel Thu 27-Jun-13 18:28:41

Sorry yabu. I can understand your frustration regarding the lack of convenient parking but it is not your neighbour's problem. If I were you I would apologise to her, give her flowers (if you want a civil relationship that is and just explain how stressful it is to have nowhere to park with two small kids. If you are courteous (and lucky) to her, she might well be more understanding in the future and park on her driveway.

MerryOnMerlot Thu 27-Jun-13 18:34:38

Another YABU.

Why is it that so many people think having kids gives them preferential parking rights?

FasterStronger Thu 27-Jun-13 18:37:35

merry Why is it that so many people think having kids gives them preferential parking rights?

may be that should read Why is it that so many people think having kids gives them preferential rights?

grin

MerryOnMerlot Thu 27-Jun-13 18:41:33

grin grin grin FasterStronger

froubylou Thu 27-Jun-13 18:42:13

Yanbu.

It is not illegal to park across a driveway as long as you are not blocking someone in. You can park on the public highway like she can.

She is BU by not using the driveway that is taking up parking spaces. And her visitors could park across her drive.

I feel your pain and frustration. I live on a similar road. And have done the same as you. And pointed out to shouty neighbours that if they don't want to use their drive then the curb should be raised again.

They never ever use the drive as their dog uses it as a play area. But wont park in front of it in case they have visitors. They used to park in front of my house and even had a skip dropped thrre as well.

Curleyhazel Thu 27-Jun-13 18:43:18

Ok, just saw that you have already resolved it. Well done! I hope the parking situation on your street will get better soon.

MerryOnMerlot Thu 27-Jun-13 18:50:32

It is not illegal to park across a driveway as long as you are not blocking someone in.

What about blocking someone OUT though?

If someone has a drive, it should be left clear AT ALL TIMES.

1withcommonsense Fri 09-Aug-13 01:37:47

Why don't you seek answers from the correct authority rather than asking for the "opinion" of others, or are you worried you might not like what you hear? See below... BTW, if you don't like the law (because it doesn't suit you and you are selfish and self-centre) campaign to change it, don't just ignore or break it!

s86 Prohibition of parking at dropped footways etc. (1) In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on the carriageway adjacent to a footway, cycle track or verge where—
(a) the footway, cycle track or verge has been lowered to meet the level of the carriageway for the purpose of—
(i)assisting pedestrians crossing the carriageway,

(ii)assisting cyclists entering or leaving the carriageway, or

(iii)assisting vehicles entering or leaving the carriageway across the footway, cycle track or verge; or
(b)the carriageway has, for a purpose within paragraph (a)(i) to (iii), been raised to meet the level of the footway, cycle track or verge.
This is subject to the following exceptions.

(2)The first exception is where the vehicle is parked wholly within a designated parking place or any other part of the carriageway where parking is specifically authorised.A “designated parking place” means a parking place designated by order under section 6, 9, 32(1)(b) or 45 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (c. 27).
(3)The second exception is where the vehicle is parked outside residential premises by or with the consent (but not consent given for reward) of the occupier of the premises.This exception does not apply in the case of a shared driveway.
(4)The third exception is where the vehicle is being used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes.

(5)The fourth exception is where—
(a)the vehicle is being used for the purposes of delivering goods to, or collecting goods from, any premises, or is being loaded from or unloaded to any premises,

(b)the delivery, collection, loading or unloading cannot reasonably be carried out in relation to those premises without the vehicle being parked as mentioned in subsection (1), and

(c)the vehicle is so parked for no longer than is necessary and for no more than 20 minutes.
(6)The fifth exception is where—
(a)the vehicle is being used in connection with any of the following—
(i)undertaking any building operation, demolition or excavation,

(ii)the collection of waste by a local authority,

(iii)removing an obstruction to traffic,

(iv)undertaking works in relation to a road, a traffic sign or road lighting, or

(v)undertaking works in relation to a sewer or water main or in relation to the supply of gas, electricity, water or communications services,
(b)it cannot be so used without being parked as mentioned in subsection (1), and

(c)it is so parked for no longer than is necessary.

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