To think this picture of a child has been airbrushed???

(107 Posts)
PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 09:03:49

http://tablet.hm.com/gb/product/11624#article=11624-C

Is it me or do this child's legs look unnaturally skinny - please tell me they're not airbrushing kids' thighs now.

Clicky link?

TakingTheStairs Tue 25-Jun-13 09:08:36

Two out of my three children have legs like that. They're perfectly healthy, matching centiles for height and weight and all that. I tend to think of the other one as a bit chubby but may he isn't!

thebody Tue 25-Jun-13 09:14:59

It wouldn't supervise me that pics of children are airbrushed but not sure if these are.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 09:15:28

Oops sorry for crap link. It's just that she looks out of proportion which is what made me wonder.

She looks naturally slim that's all. But the left leg certainly looks slimmer than the right so maybe they did

DowntonTrout Tue 25-Jun-13 09:16:29

I don't think they've been airbrushed. There are slight wrinkles down the sides of the jeans. Airbrushing would have made them smooth.

I think she is just very slim. Some kids are.

LifeofPo Tue 25-Jun-13 09:17:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SomethingNarstyInTheWoodshed Tue 25-Jun-13 09:17:56

Thighs are too narrow for her body.

Not that skinny leggy children aren't normal but why do the airbrushing on a 7 yr old? Eejits.

YoniBottsBumgina Tue 25-Jun-13 09:18:09

That does look weird to me too. Airbrushing doesn't remove wrinkles on clothes if it's done properly either.

xylem8 Tue 25-Jun-13 09:18:20

she is slim but not excessively so.

DoctorRobert Tue 25-Jun-13 09:22:00

Oh god that has so obviously been airbrushed! Yuck.

HeathRobinson Tue 25-Jun-13 09:23:45

I think she's naturally thin. Look at her collarbones.

HeathRobinson Tue 25-Jun-13 09:24:30

And her arms, come to that.

I was that thin as a child.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 25-Jun-13 09:25:29

That has clearly been airbrushed, you can tell by the stance it looks totally unnatural.

Her parents, the modelling agency and H&M ought to be ashamed of themselves. Utterly disgusting.

TheRealFellatio Tue 25-Jun-13 09:26:38

No, I think she just has very skinny legs. Lots of children are like this and they grow up to be willowy and thin. Whereas lots of children who look less spindly grow up to be a bit fat. grin

broccolirocks Tue 25-Jun-13 09:26:50

Her nose looks wrong too. No sane reason for company to do this. Based on my children, they'd be better off showing what the clothes look like covered in mud and grass stains.

SoupDragon Tue 25-Jun-13 09:27:07

Thighs are too narrow for her body.

You can't see how big her body is as she's wearing a loose T shirt and an even looser cardigan.

Her right leg does look disproportionate but that may be the angel, pose or inexpert cropping of the background.

Bunnygotwhacked Tue 25-Jun-13 09:27:23

my dd has legs like that she is always growing upwards and can't keep her filled at moment but the arms do look like they have been thinned somewhat could be wrong though

SoupDragon Tue 25-Jun-13 09:28:00

angle. Not angel. FFS.

YoniBottsBumgina Tue 25-Jun-13 09:28:42

I think her hips have been pushed up because that is the part that looks wrong.

Some children are stick thin but she doesn't look that skinny, her hands look huge in comparison.

Agree the nose is slightly off too. Bizarre.

SoupDragon Tue 25-Jun-13 09:29:14

What is wrong with her nose??

Saidar Tue 25-Jun-13 09:29:26

Doesn't look airbrushed. Think she's just slender and healthy looking.

YoniBottsBumgina Tue 25-Jun-13 09:29:39
YoniBottsBumgina Tue 25-Jun-13 09:31:56

but normal looking girl (although what is with those poses?)

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 25-Jun-13 09:33:30

I think her arms have been airbrushed as well. The material on her upper arms is so smooth - it doesn't tally with how the cardigan looks in the picture on it's own.

Saidar Tue 25-Jun-13 09:33:31

"Her nose looks wrong too."
"Agree the nose is slightly off too. Bizarre."

Jesus wept, as if the sidebar of shame and the treatment of adult women in the media wasn't bad enough we're now picking on young girls. In 25 posts we've gone from "Do you think this is airbrushed, that would be wrong" to "well her nose looks wrong and bizarre".

comelywenchlywoo Tue 25-Jun-13 09:33:34

Dear oh dear. Hope her DM isn't on MN.

I don't think it's been airbrushed, she's a slim child, her left leg looks thicker because of the fabric of the jeans stretched across due to the way she's standing. Her nose looks fine to me. Most people's faces aren't completely symmetrical.

HeathRobinson Tue 25-Jun-13 09:36:13

Some people have small wrists, making their hands look bigger in comparison. Mine are less than 16 cms.

landofsoapandglory Tue 25-Jun-13 09:39:27

No, she has not been airbrushed. Some people have skinny arms and legs, I am one of them. When I was a child my limbs were thinner than hers. Even now, at 5'4 and 8stone4 my legs are too thin for super skinny jeans, they are still a bit baggy on me.

She looks like a naturally thin, pretty girl to me, and I can't see any problem with her nose.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 25-Jun-13 09:39:49

Heath - 16cms isn't an especially small wrist - mine are less than that and my hands don't look huge, quite the opposite.

SoupDragon Tue 25-Jun-13 09:40:44

I can't help thinking that if they were airbrushing they might have cleaned her thumbnail, which looks a little grubby.

emsyj Tue 25-Jun-13 09:41:11

If you look at some of the other pics of the same model wearing different stuff on the website then she appears to have a very narrow body and small frame with, yes, skinny legs. I think it just looks out of proportion on the linked photo because she's wearing a loose top which makes her top half look bigger than it is. But I'm not an expert.

WildlingPrincess Tue 25-Jun-13 09:43:02

I don't think it's been airbrushed. Her nose looks fine too!

HeathRobinson Tue 25-Jun-13 09:43:28

Ali - that's good to know. I usually get someone commenting on how small they are, even my GP. Maybe I've just got big hands! grin

SoupDragon Tue 25-Jun-13 09:43:47

She is wearing skinny jeans which, by their nature, cling to her legs and make them look even thinner. The boys are all wearing looser fitting jeans.

AmberLeaf Tue 25-Jun-13 09:45:32

Not sure, but I think it appears 'odd' because it is a little girl in a somewhat adult woman pose, she has been 'done up' ie hair to look more adult, so her body shape seems odd because she isn't a woman but a little girl, if that makes sense?

Her head/hair style looks grown up so you are expecting to see a womans body below and it obviously isn't.

I think pictures of child models quite probably are digitally enhanced though.

AmberLeaf Tue 25-Jun-13 09:46:15

...and there is nothing wrong with her nose, she is a beautiful little girl.

trikken Tue 25-Jun-13 09:49:41

Its an odd pose but I dont think it's been airbrushed.

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Tue 25-Jun-13 09:49:57

I think they have shaved a bit off her thighs. Its easy to cut in some fake wrinkles down the side and I think that's what they have done. They've done it on the left side of the leg on the left and on the right side of the leg on the right.

DeWe Tue 25-Jun-13 09:51:05

She looks the same shape as dd2 to me.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 09:53:01

Absolutely gorgeous little girl and wtf, her nose is perfect!
Am emailing h and m to ask if they airbrush children's images - will let you know if they reply. how utterly depressing if they do, though.
FWIW I'm fairly skinny and in photos my wrists can look tiny and my hands weirdly if even though they're small too.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 09:53:43

I mean, how depressing if they do airbrush, not how depressing if they reply!

TheRealFellatio Tue 25-Jun-13 09:58:11

I don't think they have airbrushed her to look thinner - I really don't. what I think has happened though, is when a photo is superimposed onto a completely plain background with no shadows like that, they must someone 'cut out' the original image and lay it over a new background, so the edges of the picture can sometimes look slightly too smooth and unnatural. I imagine that is what has happened here.

trice Tue 25-Jun-13 09:59:45

I think the photo has been badly cropped. She is a pretty girl but they have made her look odd. I have no objection to skinny kids at all but I find catalogue photography and post photo processing makes everyone look bizarre.

Sarah1611 Tue 25-Jun-13 10:00:42

Does look weird... But could be completely normal!

sydlexic Tue 25-Jun-13 10:00:49

Let's pull a young girl apart, you should be ashamed. She just looks slim.

bootsycollins Tue 25-Jun-13 10:01:44

I think the left legs been airbrushed.

worriedsick100 Tue 25-Jun-13 10:03:10

looks very wrong to me. she looks like a puppet. very airbrushed I think.

kelda Tue 25-Jun-13 10:05:15

My children are very skinny, but I think she looks airbrushed not because she looks thin, but because her legs just look a bit odd. As if the airbrushing has been done to tidy up a seem or crinkles.

squeakytoy Tue 25-Jun-13 10:05:19

Its the camera angle and also the background that has been adjusted badly. I very much doubt it was an intention to make her look "slimmer".

Eskino Tue 25-Jun-13 10:07:53

It's all wrong. I zoomed in to look what was up with her nose (can't see what's wrong with it tbh) but her eyebrows are the same brow in reverse. They are exactly symmetrical, down to the "stray" hairs.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were a cgi.

freddiefrog Tue 25-Jun-13 10:09:54

I don't think she's been airbrushed either

She looks exactly like my 11 year old proportion-wise

The picture has been cropped and edited with exposure/white balance and stuff, but I don't think the actual model has been airbrushed

If you go into the kids section, the girl is pictured without the t shirt and her right thigh looks bigger in the other picture, so it may have been airbrushed.

The airbrushing of children's pictures should definitely not be allowed.

Also, i don't think that using terms such as, slim and fat are helpful for children, some are chunkier, or rather bigger framed. As long as they are in normal limits, "small" etc, would be better.

Carrying body fat, excessively and being bigger framed/built are two different things.

Sorry, i meant without the cardigan.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 10:11:18

Email sent so we will see. sydlexic i think you've missed the point. This is a discussion about defending children against being subject to their images being altered, it's not about the child's appearance per se.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 10:12:15

What's a CGI eskino?

cory Tue 25-Jun-13 10:12:45

It may have been airbrushed, but there are also other reasons why a child may look abnormally thin, stance odd and legs out of proportion: connective tissue disorders spring to mind. Ds looked unnaturally thin during his pre-teens and used to stand in bizarre ways.

BarbarianMum Tue 25-Jun-13 10:16:57

I know quite a few children who are naturally this slim - ds1 being one of them.

However, they are at the bottom of the centiles and I would find it disturbing if H&M selected only these children to model clothes as it sends yet another message that this body shape is 'the only one to be'.

mrsjay Tue 25-Jun-13 10:28:35

I think the top is wide so it makes her look slimmer iyswim and she seems to be standing at a jaunty angle My dd had legs like that when she was young her face looks quite peachy though I think they have added colour to it

landofsoapandglory Tue 25-Jun-13 10:31:43

Her eyebrows don't look the same to me. I zoomed in on my iPad, they look different, her eyes are different, she looks like a pretty, healthy girl to me.

I think the way some of you are picking her apart is quite shameful!

IneedAyoniNickname Tue 25-Jun-13 11:09:30

Her legs look just like the legs of most of the girls at my dcs primary school, long and slim. And her nose looks fine!

Samu2 Tue 25-Jun-13 11:14:09

Her nose?? WTAF

She looks just like most girls, imo.

She doesn't look airbrushed to me.

TheRealFellatio Tue 25-Jun-13 11:15:20

sydlexic I love your name. grin

IneedAyoniNickname Tue 25-Jun-13 11:17:43

And her eyebrows look as symmetrical as mine do if I run an eyebrow comb through them.

Oblomov Tue 25-Jun-13 11:21:53

I just assumed that they airbrushed all the photo's in magazines/online. Kids aswell. All of them.And men. And women. etc.

kelda Tue 25-Jun-13 11:35:29

Exactly Oblomov.

We are not being critical of the girl's appearnece - far from it - but there is something unreal about the photo of her.

And I am not just talking about the fact she is slim, because many girls are just as slim at her age.

tigerlilygrr Tue 25-Jun-13 12:06:12

I know this thread is about the fact airbrushing pics of children is wrong, but I would hate for this child to read these comments even so. I know that this isn't the op's intent but I've reported it as really I don't think MNHQ should allow a young child's appearance to be discussed like this, even though it's all well meaning.

Fakebook Tue 25-Jun-13 12:07:31

Aren't h&m notorious for airbrushing? They also use the same body or something and photoshop clothes on.

Turniptwirl Tue 25-Jun-13 12:25:56

It looks like one girls lower body and another girls upper body to me !

However, I do know a lot of very skinny little girls, so don't think she's been airbrushed (airbrushing kids would be crazy!)

Startail Tue 25-Jun-13 13:01:27

Anyone Who has ever played with polyvore or any graphics program knows auto crop gives that sort of result, it takes off shadows and makes everything look slightly thinner.

And of course catalogue shots have been cut out and tidied up

They might have just squished the pic to make it fit.

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Tue 25-Jun-13 13:24:00

Just had another look and as well as the thighs, her eye whites have been made more white and her skin seems like it has had some sort of glow added to it. I didn't realise they did this to children's pictures :/

Floggingmolly Tue 25-Jun-13 13:58:54

Of course it's been airbrushed! Half of her right leg is missing.

fluffyraggies Tue 25-Jun-13 14:03:09

There's no way to discus whether or not a picture has been air-brushed without saying something about the appearance of the person in it. Posters are not finding fault with the girls figure, they are commenting on the likely hood of airbrushing or not. 'Funny nose' = unlikely angle, not 'ugly'.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if shots of kids were airbrushed. Awful when a child can't just be a child.

Sarahplane Tue 25-Jun-13 14:11:50

That's really wierd looking. My Dd was always really skinny at that age, h and m's skinny jeans were the only ones that fitted properly but they were never that tight. and her legs were not as skinny as that. It definitely looks airbrushed and unnatural.

bluesbaby Tue 25-Jun-13 15:07:56

it's a composite, and the clothes have been altered slightly to look their best.

at a guess they would have photographed the children in pants & vest/topless in a few poses in one session to superimpose lots of tops on.

the shadows and seams have small flaws when you zoom in. they've also made the right shoulder a bit too wide by mistake (to fit the cardigan on - probably from a mannekin? it's missing two darts which are clearly visible on the product in other pics. it's been brushed out.

artificial hands on most of her pics - and you can see here that her thighs are slender and normal - not missing a chunk off the side normally ;) http://www.hm.com/gb/product/06254?article=06254-A

also here they didn't get too happy with crease removals on the jeans: http://www.hm.com/gb/product/16265?article=16265-D

at a guess I think a much older woman with long very slim legs posed and when it's been matched up to the child's body it looks wrong because it's out of proportion with her frame - her "knee" has been made the same width as her upper arm!

same clothes, but better proportions! http://www.hm.com/gb/product/16265?article=16265-C

same child again http://www.hm.com/gb/product/00789?article=00789-K

zoraqueenofzeep Tue 25-Jun-13 15:31:55

Children are supposed to have skinny legs, they shouldn't be compared with adults and there's something very wrong if they're anywhere near the same size as one.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 15:40:09

Well, quite, Zora but the point I made is that her image appears so disproportionate that I wondered if it had been altered as it looks unnatural.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Tue 25-Jun-13 15:40:48

And yy to fluffy

drwitch Tue 25-Jun-13 15:42:54

its not been airbrushed but just looks as if it is made from two seperate photos

Flyingtree Tue 25-Jun-13 16:53:52

I don't think it's airbrushed, because they would have corrected her slightly asymmetrical features and awkward pose if they were that concerned about perfection...

She also has protruding collarbones which are a good sign of being naturally slender, and my daughter has very skinny legs like that.

kilmuir Tue 25-Jun-13 16:55:33

she does look out of proportion

Madlizzy Tue 25-Jun-13 16:57:11

Both my DD and I were that skinny at that age, with teeny little sparrow legs. DD still does have sparrow legs and finds it difficult to get skinny jeans which are actually skinny on her.

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Tue 25-Jun-13 17:06:39

m.hm.com/gb/product/00789?article=00789-G#fullscreen

If this link works, you can see she's been airbrushed/edited too. Her eye whites have been brightened and her skin has been played with. It looks to me like they only do a little though (whether that's any better than doing it all or not).

Floggingmolly Tue 25-Jun-13 17:10:01

They've done the same with her leg!

GobblersKnob Tue 25-Jun-13 17:17:40

On that last pic posted by AmyFarrahFowlerCooper, you can clearly see where they have been slap happy, taking out the stray hair around her head, it looks most odd when you zoom in.

I am sure they photoshop everything, the first image is odd imo, it looks all out of proportion.

mercury7 Tue 25-Jun-13 17:21:14

the head is too big for the body surely?

Turniptwirl Tue 25-Jun-13 17:25:39

I meet quiet a lot of kids who have a head that looks too big for their body actually! They do grow into it after a while though.

SarahAndFuck Tue 25-Jun-13 17:43:46

Lots of children are naturally skinny but that's not all they do with airbrushing is it?

They add light and shadow and recolour eyes and take out stray hairs and all sorts of things as well as make people look slimmer.

Ulrika Jonsson is in the news talking about it today, with a comparison picture of herself to show what happens when a picture is airbrushed.

But if you google airbrushing before and after you get a lot of images back.

It may be that they've done some airbrushing on this photo without actually slimming that girl down, but it's a shame that they would bother on children. Or, in fact, on anybody.

SarahAndFuck Tue 25-Jun-13 17:48:24

And my point about the google before and after pictures, which I completely forgot to make, is that you can see where they've added the light and shadow act, or evened out/lightened/darkened skin tone or added a tan, or changed eye colour etc.

mignonette Tue 25-Jun-13 17:50:28

My son was a baby model. He was on the cover of Mother&Baby magazine, Parents and did various commercials. When a client wanted to plaster him with make up for a shower product was the time I decided enough was enough. He did well and I can see no psychological damage grin and he's now driving around in the car his earnings bought him. However another mother told me how she didn't allow her 6 year old to participate in PE in the week before a shoot and that appalled me. Upon discussing it with a makeup artist there for the adult models, she informed me that I'd be like that one day if I stayed.....I made the right decision. Airbrushing didn't exist back then but i have no doubt that if it had, DS's birthmark would have been edited out.

digerd Tue 25-Jun-13 17:56:45

At that age some are skinnier than others, but perfectly normal to me.
I was drawn only to their lovely faces anyway.
The 1st link girl had a mature intriguing face, but noticed one eye lid was droopier than the other so not air-brushed imo.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Fri 28-Jun-13 09:55:51

Just to update - received a reply from H and M:

Dear Pretty,

Thank you for your email.

We do include a range of different models in our advertising and to promote our range, though H&M do not airbrush to change the body shape of child models used in our advertising campaigns or online store imagery.

I can understand any concerns that you may have in relation to such an issue, though please be assured that we do not partake in any such practices. Along with this, please know that your feedback on this issue has been passed on to the relevant department.

Kind regards,

Andy G

H&M Customer Services

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Fri 28-Jun-13 09:58:06

Ooh I like the avoidance in that! They don't airbrush to change the size but nothing about airbrushing for touch ups like the brightening of the eye whites or the blur/glow of the children's skin etc.

Thank you for the update!

claraschu Fri 28-Jun-13 09:58:35

Maybe it's just a horrible picture.

miemohrs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:10:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SoupDragon Fri 28-Jun-13 10:15:17

It's not really avoidance given the original query was wrt making her legs look skinny.

Removing blemishes/shadows etc is par for the course and to be expected with all catalogue photos, not just those of people.

AmberLeaf Fri 28-Jun-13 10:16:39

Thanks miemohrs smile

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Fri 28-Jun-13 10:36:01

I thought OP had asked if they airbrush children's images in general rather than specifically for shape altering reasons so that's why I thought they were avoiding things.

PrettyFlyForAWifi Fri 28-Jun-13 10:44:56

No, Soupdragon's right, I did just ask about shape altering. General touch ups on the photo I accept as part of the industry.

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Fri 28-Jun-13 10:49:30

Ah okay. I'll retract my accusation of h&m avoiding things then! grin

ICBINEG Fri 28-Jun-13 10:57:43

sarahandfuck wow thank you so much for that info on googling before and after!

I am starting to wonder why they bother with the model in the first place?!?!

I mean OMG...I knew airbrushing was a thing but I didn't realise what a huge difference it makes!

SarahAndFuck Fri 28-Jun-13 16:57:07

It's amazing to see the difference in some of them isn't it ICBINEG?

I remember watching a programme about it once and it was fascinating, but the before and after in some cases look like entirely different people.

I was fascinated by the way they airbrushed the clothes even, regardless of them having a model in them.

And it was interesting to see the comparison pictures to show just how much had been changed.

Could do with someone to airbrush me a bit in real life

StuntGirl Fri 28-Jun-13 23:04:09

bluesbaby is probably correct. The lower half of the body is a different angle to the upper half, which is what gives it the odd and unatural appearance. They'll have taken the best bits of several photos and put them together. Happens all the time.

My partner had a photoshoot a few weeks ago and they cropped all sorts of bits together to make the end image!

Madeyemoodysmum Fri 28-Jun-13 23:35:08

I don't see the problem in brightening eyes, why wouldnt they want their models to look as cute and healthy as possible.

I wouldn't agree with slimming down models but they have said they don't do this.

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