To think its not normal to be able to suck air into your vagina and then fart it out?

(313 Posts)
VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:29:59

Dd can do this on demand. Not that I demand she does it but she thinks its hysterical.

And it's not just a little fanjo parp. It's like a trumpet which just keeps going and going. She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it. hmm

I've told her she'll knacker her pelvic floor.

snooter Mon 24-Jun-13 19:32:09

How old is she?
A friend used to dribble water out of hers after having a bath (she told me, I didn't watch!) - I don't think she turned upside-down or anything - mine never does that!

ImperialBlether Mon 24-Jun-13 19:32:25

Try her with ping pongs next!

How old is she?

ImperialBlether Mon 24-Jun-13 19:32:48

I hope to god she's not an adult!)

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:34:02

She's 12yo.

I remember a thread on here about MNers who used to inadvertently Hoover some of the bath water up.

MrsPatrickDempsey Mon 24-Jun-13 19:34:48

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I used to be able to do that as a kid - figured it out when i was 11 or 12!

Wow, that's quite a skill

I did have a friend who I used to go to yoga with who would avoid certain poses to avoid unintended air intake. She was late 40s with 2 vaginal births under her belt though and the main reason I always did my pelvic floor exercises

ImperialBlether Mon 24-Jun-13 19:35:41

12!

dunkedbiscuits Mon 24-Jun-13 19:35:51

I remember a girl at secondary school doing it and thinking it was hilarious. No one else did. 20 years later she's grown out of it. I have no idea about the state of her pelvic floor.

How old do you have to be to audition for Britain's Got Talent? Watch this space! grin

ZipItShrimpy Mon 24-Jun-13 19:36:19

This is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard in MN! grin

EliotNess Mon 24-Jun-13 19:37:28

water comes up everyone

Must be a puberty thing grin it used to happen to me if i lay flat on the floor and either 'cycled' my legs in the air/ splayed my legs like doing the splits hmm i haven't done it in years far too sore and lazy these days

I remember another girl! At guide camp (so about your DD's age?) there was a girl in my tent who could fart on demand. I always assumed it was regular back door farting, but perhaps I was mistaken...?

ZipItShrimpy Mon 24-Jun-13 19:38:46

I am frantically trying to fanny fart here and it's not working. sad

landofsoapandglory Mon 24-Jun-13 19:40:41

Can I ask, how on earth did she find out she could do it?

I am proper laughing at this!😂🎷🎺🎵🎤🎶🎶

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 19:41:09

My cousin can do that.

I remember years ago, when we were about 11 I think, we were sat on her bed when she gripped onto the headboard, pulled her legs over her head and fanny farted the Eastenders theme tune grin

It was the most disturbing thing I have ever heard/seen!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:41:29

I suppose it could be improving her pelvic floor as I don't think I have muscles in that area to move up!

Yes, I did wonder what Simon Cowell might make of it. grin

She can get different notes depending how hard or long she pushes the air out. But she gets enough air to keep going for a couple of minutes!

I did this for fun when I was much younger than 12.

I did have to lift my legs in the air to do it and spent many an hour time trying out different sounds.

I thought all girls had to hone their pussy farting skills.

K8Middleton Mon 24-Jun-13 19:42:33

So long as she doesn't start smoking out of it you'll be fine... because smoking kills y'know.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:42:35

Yes, legs over the head does seem to be the optimum position for good air intake.

I'll ask her how she found out she could do it. Hang on....

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 19:45:14

I'll text my cousin to see if she can still do it, she is 30 now so who knows if its an age thing.

MakeGlutenFreeHay Mon 24-Jun-13 19:45:48

Wow! You have a lovely close relationship with your dd...grin. And, if I may say so, a very apt nickname!

DarceyBissell Mon 24-Jun-13 19:45:52

Somebody on here once was worried about farting in tight jeans and the trapped air bubble going up her fanny.

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 19:53:32

She just text back' saying she'll let me know later when she's home. Do I want to request a song? confused

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:53:38

Ok, dd has been giving me a lesson to see if I can do it but I can't.

You lie on your back, legs up towards the ceiling and then part them wide. Dd says you then move the flap near your wee hole hmm up to let the air in and then push the flap down to blow out.

Apparently she was stretching her bad back out when she discovered this.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:55:01

I do feel like I've got an air bubble stuck in my vagina now after that practice session but I sure cant work out how to push it out.

garlicnutty Mon 24-Jun-13 19:55:12

I used to work with woman who said she could do fanny fountains in the bath grin I suspect I may have seen her on a related Mumsnet thread or two!

garlicnutty Mon 24-Jun-13 19:56:06

Go for it, Viva!!!

marriedinwhiteagain Mon 24-Jun-13 19:57:03

I can. It was the posterior labour that wore it out though.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:58:09

I've queried the "flap" with dd and she has offered to do it naked so I can see. Bless her, I've turned down her kind offer.

Theselittlelightsofmine Mon 24-Jun-13 19:58:35

I can't do it hmm

Montybojangles Mon 24-Jun-13 19:59:07

This is my first laugh out loud MN thread, thanks beaver she types whilst frantically cycling her legs in the air

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 19:59:54

I bet MNers the length of the country are now on their backs trying this. grin

Montybojangles Mon 24-Jun-13 20:00:00

Nada, zippo, zilch sad

landofsoapandglory Mon 24-Jun-13 20:00:07

I think I might be glad I have got boys!grin

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 20:00:59

NameThatTuna, ask your cousin for the Emmerdale theme tune!

musickeepsmesane Mon 24-Jun-13 20:01:38

TMI
I so can do this. I wasn't 12 though, post birth. The farts are mahoosive.
I didn't realise I was in a minority. I now have a party trick!! I also don't do it ever in front of people. Will have to start looking for special kind of party!
Also hoover up the bath water.
Bit weird blush grin
God, what if I go to the woolly vagina thing in Edinburgh blush blush

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 20:01:54

Woah! Maybe it's like rolling your tongue- some can do it, some cant!

musickeepsmesane Mon 24-Jun-13 20:02:30

Push down from your stomachs.................go!!!!

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:06

DP just asked what Im laughing at so I told him.

He said its happened with me a few times while having drunken sex. He said it tickles hmm

landofsoapandglory Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:10

I can honestly say I am not trying this. I can not get my legs in the air or open them wide. I am not in the least bot tempted because I am not trying to explain to my surgeons that I have hurt my back and pelvis by trying to play a tune with my fanny!🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎵🎷🎺🎶🎶🎶🎶

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 20:05:10

Ok I've requested Emmerdale. I can't believe I'm doing this......

CheeryCherry Mon 24-Jun-13 20:08:25

NameThat Tuna that made me snort! OP your daughter sounds a hoot!

garlicnutty Mon 24-Jun-13 20:08:44

Oh, I've definitely fanny-farted during sex! I wonder if this means I have the potential to sound the Reveille, with correct training?

I wonder if I care?? wink

<cycles>

whois Mon 24-Jun-13 20:37:49

I can do this, have v good pelvic floor, thought it was normal?

hamdangle Mon 24-Jun-13 20:55:07

It's called a queef!

Stick it in YouTube. I think there's even a tutorial.

I'm surprised mumsnetters don't know this!

ZipItShrimpy Mon 24-Jun-13 21:09:48

I have definitely fanny farted during sex too Garlic whilst in the doggy position and I do get the famous 'post bath whoosh' so maybe with a bit of training and practice I can manage to do it for show. grin

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 21:16:17

Dd mentioned queef. I thought she'd made that term up.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 21:17:36

Ok, according to Wikipedia queefing on purpose can kill you through an air embolism.

musickeepsmesane Mon 24-Jun-13 21:19:38

omg!!!!! Am I dead? Is MN Heaven? Sometimes I have to do cos it feels like....... kinda like needing a burp. Sort of.......

digerd Mon 24-Jun-13 21:22:50

I think< in the long distant past>, I did have a few now and again, but they were silent ones so could not have been able to play a tune. sad

I am intrigued with your DD's "flap" - surely she has 2 inner labia ?

I didn't know where my wee hole was until in my 20s, when I searched for itblush

garlicnutty Mon 24-Jun-13 21:24:24

Puffs or small amounts of air passed into the vaginal cavity during cunnilingus won't cause any known issues, however "forcing" or purposely blowing air at force into the vaginal cavity can cause an air embolism

I slightly suspect this doesn't mean allowing air intake, Viva, but some joker giving you a 'blow job'.

They would be likely to experience a knee-in-the-face job before any risk of embolism ...

garlicnutty Mon 24-Jun-13 21:25:50

omg!!!!! Am I dead? Is MN Heaven?

grin

Of course!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 21:29:19

I think dd's "flap" might be her clitoris........though I have no idea how she can raise it up and down.

Her top tip btw is not to try this when you need a wee. grin. She also told me to try and imagine weeing backwards when I was trying it.

Locketjuice Mon 24-Jun-13 21:29:44

I can smile

VivaLeBeaver Mon 24-Jun-13 21:30:11

I feel reassured that hopefully she won't get an air embolism then.

500internalerror Mon 24-Jun-13 21:34:51

I remember being able to do that, at a similar age! Nostalgia gringrin

NameThatTuna Mon 24-Jun-13 21:35:43

Right, cousin text back. She doesn't know the Emmerdale tune because she doesn't watch it but she can still do Billie Jean by Michael Jackson (I remember that now hmm) although she said it sounds a bit 'muffled'. She thinks she's too 'baggy' these days.

Waaaaay TMI.....

Lioninthesun Mon 24-Jun-13 21:36:20

Oh my! You'e taken me back 20 years to boarding school. Me and a friend used to hold our knees up on our backs (backs of legs on elbows if that makes sense?) and rock on our backs sucking in air #(fully clothed I should add!) and then do fanny farts. If I remember rightly she even did a stick man diagram in my leaving book grin
I have AMAZING pelvic floor muscles and I think this may actually help strengthen them as it is all muscle control. I wouldn't want to try it now though

Lioninthesun Mon 24-Jun-13 21:37:08

Backs of knees on crook of elbow maybe that should read?!

Euphemia Mon 24-Jun-13 21:38:15

Christ that beats the boys with their "hand under the armpit fart" trick hands down!

I do hope she's showing off her party piece at school. grin

The boys will be all 😧 😄 🙏

Bluestocking Mon 24-Jun-13 21:49:56

I used to be able to do this. And suck bath water in and squirt it out again. A week of back to back latent labour put paid to all those shenanigans but maybe if I did me blardy exercises I could do it again!

olidusUrsus Mon 24-Jun-13 21:55:28

I was going to mention the embolism thing too because I am terrified of them

I hope to God that my DD never learns to do this. And if she does, she can damn well keep it to herself grin

plieadianpony Mon 24-Jun-13 22:11:10

gosh. I remember doing this as a child. Me and my friend used to do it in front of the families poor live-in groom (who was a bloke and only about 18 at the time) who was really really embarrassed but had to be subjected to this....

Lj8893 Mon 24-Jun-13 23:46:42

I can't do this.

But when I was at college i was in a girl band and we called ourselves Queef.

OneLaundryBaskettoRuleThemAll Tue 25-Jun-13 00:19:26

God I love mumsnet.

ArtemisatBrauron Tue 25-Jun-13 07:59:17

When I was at school a girl in our group could do this and used to play tunes on request at sleepovers - Eastenders is clearly a queef classic as she played that one a lot too!! grin

I cannot do it, sadly, but I do have to avoid 1 yoga pose towards the end of my practice as it inevitably leads to blush a rather loud one, which in the quiet yoga studio is rather humiliating!

Lazyjaney Tue 25-Jun-13 08:17:43

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KellyElly Tue 25-Jun-13 09:50:00

I used to do that as a teenager. I haven't tried for years so have no idea if I still can grin

LEMisdisappointed Tue 25-Jun-13 10:03:56

Am I the only one who is slightly uncomfortable with this thread? (Killjoy)

SamuelWestsMistress Tue 25-Jun-13 10:10:15

I knew a girl at school who did fanny farts. I mentioned this to DH years ago and he remembered this, because when I told him she was living in the same village as us he said "oh that's fanny farts McDonald isn't it?"

squeakytoy Tue 25-Jun-13 10:12:20

No LEM, you arent... confused

Latara Tue 25-Jun-13 10:20:37

The only person i know who can fanny fart has a fistula and is very embarrassed by it...

Latara Tue 25-Jun-13 10:22:50

(A fistula can be caused by tears in childbirth and they can be between the vagina and bowel for those who don't know; they are repairable but my friend is too embarrassed to get a repair bless her.)

xylem8 Tue 25-Jun-13 10:23:59

what a classy family you are!

HighBrows Tue 25-Jun-13 10:28:40

There's a whole South Park episode dedicated to the wonder that is queefing!

Viva your dd is very talented! grin

Latara Tue 25-Jun-13 10:29:22

I can't believe she's told your DH that she can fanny fart. I would never have discussed anything like that with my Dad!!.

digerd Tue 25-Jun-13 10:32:16

I am now also intrigued and mind boggled at " backs of knees on crook of elbows". Oh, think I've got the right image now as we used to do that in our ballet and jazz classes, but one leg at a time on our backs on the floor. We wore thick tights, knickers and a jock strap, so no way was that going to happen grin. Also did lots of other contortion exercises.

I would have watched how my DD did it but don't think she would have offered to show me. Still very intriguing and entertaining.
Loving tunes being played grin

Crinkle77 Tue 25-Jun-13 13:33:44

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I used to do this all the time and had forgotten all about it although I had to be in a certain position to do it. Think I might have to try when I get home to see if I can still do it ......

garlicnutty Tue 25-Jun-13 13:53:00

... he said "oh that's fanny farts McDonald isn't it?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAH! grin grin grin

... and sad blush for Ms McDonald!

garlicnutty Tue 25-Jun-13 13:54:53

Oh, Latara sad for your friend. They can cause nasty infections ... <worried>

The youtube tutorial is hilarious. I will try it later. I'll definitely go for a wee first though.

Bluestocking Tue 25-Jun-13 18:55:50

Latara, I had a fistula repaired - it's a lot less embarrassing than having farts and all the rest coming out of one's vagina. PM me if you like, I'll be happy to talk to your friend if she needs encouraging to get it sorted out.

Latara Tue 25-Jun-13 19:02:28

It's actually a much older female relative (just easier to say 'a friend'). She's just considering turning down surgery for another more serious health problem so i don't want to broach the fistula issues just yet until we can convince her to get the other surgery done.

But thanks v much for your concern Bluestocking and garlic i will definitely discuss the subject when the time is right to. It's been a problem for a long time now.

The Op's dd is very funny and harmless but Latara is right. This can be caused by childbirth injuries and is potentially very distressing.

itsblackoveryonderhill Tue 25-Jun-13 19:20:41

I've got half way down the thread and I'm crying with laughter.

I've never had such a skill and I doubt my crap pelvic floor could pop out a little squeek now. shock grin blush

itsblackoveryonderhill Tue 25-Jun-13 19:31:28

all of you seem to be able to do apparently have amazing pelvic floors. I'm going to start a pelvic floor strengthening class in a month, called the Foo Foo Fun Club, do you think this will be something that is expected of me at the end of the course?

Can you imagine it......

teacher: right then its black, when you started you had a fanny like a cheap carrier bag caught in the wind, to graduate from the class, you need to be able to play the first 12 bars of the trumpet voluntery......

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VivaLeBeaver Tue 25-Jun-13 19:51:18

OMG, she just pulled a bunch of flowers out her foof!

VivaLeBeaver Tue 25-Jun-13 19:54:23

Sticky Vicky that is, not dd!

QOD Tue 25-Jun-13 19:56:37

Unfortunately I can only do this during sex ... It's like a fecking wind sock.

ModreB Tue 25-Jun-13 19:57:07

Apparently, Sticky Vicky has a daughter who followed in her footsteps

confused

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:00:28

I'm firmly with LEM.

I genuinely don't want to know anything about someone else's child's vagina.

confused

reelingintheyears Tue 25-Jun-13 20:03:46

My thoughts exactly Sheshelob,fucking disgraceful.

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 25-Jun-13 20:05:07

Outing myself here - we used to do' fanny farts' at school. I can assure you that even after children my pelvic floor is fantastic - maybe the muscle control.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 25-Jun-13 20:14:16

I'm feeling a bit po-faced here, I'm afraid. Feels a bit weird to me talking about someone's 12YO DD's vagina confused

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:16:17

Agree, Avon. I'll happily be accused of being po, too. Some things genuinely have no business on a public forum.

reelingintheyears Tue 25-Jun-13 20:20:24

Yup,po faced here too and totally don't care.

I can't imagine discussing DD like this and would be hmm if DP thought it was appropriate to joke about it being a career.

GibberTheMonkey Tue 25-Jun-13 20:21:06

Talk about mine then grin
I used to be able to do this pre children
I don't think I've tried since
Do I need to try and report back?

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 20:22:15

I must admit to being a bit surprised about who the Op was too. sad

LEMisdisappointed Tue 25-Jun-13 20:28:34

Phew - I thought i had suddenly had become prudish in my old age, glad its not just me. Its all a bit off really. <restores cats bum face>

diddl Tue 25-Jun-13 20:29:06

Sounds dangerous to me.

I think that my daughter would have been mortified/worried rather than finding it hysterical.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 20:31:00

I have felt uncomfortable since the beginning of the thread, but I get told I am a boring prude on here on a regular basis so I thought it was just me < shrug >

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 25-Jun-13 20:31:40

In for a penny, in for a pound... I also think DD (who's a lot younger than the OP's DD) would be mortified if I'd been discussing her like this on a public forum. Just feels very strange.

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:32:38

<stands next to LEM in the Cats Bum Crew>

LEMisdisappointed Tue 25-Jun-13 20:35:52

AF you are the last person on here i would describe as either boring or a prude! Scary but never boring wink

reelingintheyears Tue 25-Jun-13 20:36:45

It's not prudish not to want to read about a 12 year old girl's 'flaps' and clitoris,it's bloody weird to write about them even in a jokey way.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 20:37:07

You would be surprised how often that accusation is levelled at me, LEM. Mainly by men who don't like me standing up to their nobbery, but still smile

Feminine Tue 25-Jun-13 20:37:40

<<cats bum face also>>

Actually I'm pretty shocked!

op seriously? confused

Is nothing sacred these days...

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:38:01

I know what you mean, AF.

I LOVE talking about vaginas, but draw the line at "funny" anecdotes about strangers' children's.

<streaks blue war paint across po face>

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 20:38:43

Sorry, Viva. I love, love love you normally.

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:39:36

Reeling - I didn't even see those. Gross.

confused

Feminine Tue 25-Jun-13 20:40:17

and...op its time you taught your DD some manners.

When will it stop? especially in mixed company?

It would worry me that she appears to do this all over the place.

As she is 12 I am surprised her modesty hasn't kicked in.

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:41:33

I don't know OP, but it is pretty naive to post a thread like this, especially if she is a regular MNetter.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 20:44:10

Viva is kosher normally smile

reelingintheyears Tue 25-Jun-13 20:47:30

Yup.you're right AF,i was surprised too.

Salmotrutta Tue 25-Jun-13 20:52:07

I thought this was going to be an OP discussing pelvic floor issues post-birth!

I found it uncomfortable reading too. sad

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 20:52:39

Just weird then.

hmm

TheSecondComing Tue 25-Jun-13 21:09:18

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AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 25-Jun-13 21:18:55

Join our growing band of po-facers, TheSecondComing! Whole thing is really, really ill-judged sad

Ick. I was going to say why has nobody been shock at the Thailand comment but see TSC has mentioned it.

everlong Tue 25-Jun-13 21:29:42

I read the thread from the start and was baffled at all those thinking this thread was okay. I am glad to see I'm ot alone in thinking this is tasteless and quite frankly wrong.

TheSecondComing Tue 25-Jun-13 21:38:25

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garlicnutty Tue 25-Jun-13 21:50:37

I'm baffled from the other side. I know my values can be a bit off-kilter sometimes, so I'm asking ... what's so wrong?

The Thai jokes, OK, not so clever though I might have said the same thing.

The story itself ... is it because 12-year-olds aren't supposed to have vaginas? Or to appreciate the versatility of theirs? Or is that OK, but we have to act indifferent? Or is it not "ladylike"?

I assume I have missed the point here, so please enlighten. Thanks.

everlong Tue 25-Jun-13 21:57:39

' move the flap near your wee hole '
' fanjo parp '
' offered to do it naked '

Talking about her clitoris. I don't know it just doesn't feel right when it's a 12 year old. And as for the Thailand comment.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 25-Jun-13 21:58:38

garlicnutty, for me the problem is that it's not the OP's own vagina that she's talking and joking about in which case I'd probably find the thread very funny, cos it is a funny skill to have! but her 12 YO DD, who may or may not have something to say about that in years to come. Same with the jokes - I have a broad dark sense of humour, but, again, not really regarding 12 year old girls. IMO

Salmotrutta Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:49

What everlong said.

Can't imagine ever having that conversation with my DD at that age (or now)

And certainly not with the amused involvement of her Dad.

WildlingPrincess Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:48

That's amazing! I wish I had a trick [sad[ I can only do it accidently.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 22:02:43

it was the "get her a job in Thailand" comment and the fact this adolescent's vagina was being discussed and ? demonstrations made in front of her father

I am waiting for viva to come back and tell us that there were no actual performances for his benefit, and his comments were about something he hadn't actually witnessed, tbh

everlong Tue 25-Jun-13 22:05:36

Actually I'm not sure I believe this.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 22:07:05

yes ! it could be elaborate "let's wind up MN'ers" jape

< hopeful >

Salmotrutta Tue 25-Jun-13 22:10:16

Well, there are wind-ups and there are wind-ups.

I know we're all supposed to be "open" and not repressed nowadays but this is a bridge too far.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:06

Nope, still on the sense of humour bypass here!

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 22:14:22

It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable about a 12 year old being unladylike. As far as I know, we don't inhabit a Jane Austen novel.

It has everything to do with adults sexualising the body of a young woman who doesn't seem to have had a say in the publicising of something private.

Joke about it amongst friends in person, maybe, but with a bunch of strangers? Nope.

TheSecondComing Tue 25-Jun-13 22:14:51

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Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 22:15:48

X-post.

Wind up, eh?

<twists tiny moustache>

RevoltingPeasant Tue 25-Jun-13 22:39:59

But TSC it's not her dad in a pub telling his mates confused It's an anonymous poster on a site where no one will ever meet het DD or even know her name.

People have genitals. They can be funny. I don't see what the difference is between this and a thread about, say, a little boy suddenly deciding to tell everyone about how his willy stands up sometimes. It's a bit cringey but also the kind if thing kids do. And will grow out of.

Except for the Thai comments I don't think this is about sexualising children - the opposite - it's about her using her body to make herself laugh. It's totally innocent, if gross.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 22:42:46

People have taken something innocent, and twisted it though, haven't they ?

Including the child's father {{viva will you hurry up and refute that please, I'm dying here...}}

TheSecondComing Tue 25-Jun-13 22:45:22

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QOD Tue 25-Jun-13 22:47:32

I find it humorous, I also found it humorous when my friends ds kept a cocktail umbrella in his dingle.
Vivas dd is obviously uninhibited and innocent, nowt perry about it, it's just gross!!

It's not like we know who she is

RevoltingPeasant Tue 25-Jun-13 22:49:11

TSC it's more that the daughter shared this happily with her mum. That's massively different to something like masturbating which is clearly private. I think what is uncomfortable for me is you're comparing a sexual activity like wanking to a young girl messing about with her body in a gross-out 12 yo way.

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Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 22:59:09

But that's exactly what I'm reacting to - posters making it smutty and horrible. Which is what people do on the internet sometimes.

I like jokes. This was a shit one.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 25-Jun-13 22:59:18

I didn't say you introduced the sex shows and like I said, yeah, that's a bit ick. I was referring only to your comment where you said posters might as well share pics of their DC masturbating. I just don't think it's the same.

Anyway we're obviously not going to agree, so no point going round in circles, eh.

FairyJen Tue 25-Jun-13 23:00:29

I'm with the po crew on this one. I really don't think people should be discussing how a 12 year old could earn her fortune in Thailand!

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 23:01:49

Second said it better than me.

AnyFucker Tue 25-Jun-13 23:02:02

I tried, I really tried to jolly along with it, because of who the op is. I couldn't manage it though.

The fact is, if I hadn't known the name I would have been "wtaf'ing" allllll over it right from the get-go

RevoltingPeasant Tue 25-Jun-13 23:06:48

Fairy maybe you're right.... I can see what you're all saying.

Think I'm going too far the other way as a friend had a horrible experience very recently where her reception DS was found comparing willies with another boy in his class and SS were called. I've been feeling sick about that all day so possibly over compensating...

Anyhow too late for this moral dilemma shit, off to bed!

Sheshelob Tue 25-Jun-13 23:07:07

Lighten up?

The "jokes" weren't even funny. And I should know because I'm well funny.

HepsibarCrinkletoes Tue 25-Jun-13 23:12:12

What a truly horrible thread. Absolutely vile and I am no prude. Sickening.

bottleofbeer Tue 25-Jun-13 23:29:04

Whew, thought I was being weird by finding it uncomfortable reading an wondering why everyone seemed to be finding it so funny.

garlicnutty Tue 25-Jun-13 23:59:21

Thanks, all, for taking the trouble to reply. I think I'm with you, RevoltingPeasant, I just don't see it as sexualising a child - quite the opposite, in fact: to me, it's a child finding innocent hilarity in their genitals and exactly like the boy who tells everyone about his willy and/or pops a cocktail stick on it (confused grin)

I'm none too sure MNers wouldn't make the odd potentially off-colour joke about a boy who announces His Willy Gets Enormous ...

... but I do take everyone's point, and am learning a little something about acceptable topics of conversation.

garlicnutty Wed 26-Jun-13 00:05:37

Maybe fanny farts are a source of intense sexual delight to some, and that's what I've been missing! If only I'd met a man who lurved 'em that much grin

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 00:17:04

Euphemia Mon 24-Jun-13 21:38:15

Christ that beats the boys with their "hand under the armpit fart" trick hands down!

I do hope she's showing off her party piece at school. grin

The boys will be all &#128551; &#128516; &#128591;

Nice...she's 12.

bottleofbeer Wed 26-Jun-13 00:18:30

I think it's the age Garlicnutty; a boy who is showing you all of these amazing new tricks their willy can do is generally a toddler. By 12 modesty has usually well kicked in so maybe because it's an unusual topic that some of us are finding it a bit odd?

I can imagine my 8yo daughter finding it amusing and offering to show me but she's still at an age where modesty isn't an issue.

I imagine most 12yo's would be horrified by something so personal being discussed on a public forum. You're never as anonymous as you think, either. I think this is where the discomfort is coming from and I'm usually a bit unshockable. Perhaps it's the same thing where we don't bat an eyelid at a naked toddler on the beach but think it's about time to cover up a bit when they're that bit older. I'm not a prude and naked bodies don't offend me but when a 13 year old kid's got his/her bent over arse on show at the beach, yeah I do think it's time to put a swimming cozzie on.

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 00:20:09

Strangely enough Garlic,my sons never made jokes about their willies.

As for lighten up....yeah right,lighten up when a Dad makes those sort of jokes.

Euphemia Wed 26-Jun-13 06:53:48

reeling It was a joke! I'm a primary teacher - of course I don't hope she's doing it at school! smile

The boys in my class think they're so smart with the armpit thing (one called me over the other day to witness his skill hmm), that it just amused me to think of a girl going "Oh yeah? Well check THIS out!" grin

Lazyjaney Wed 26-Jun-13 08:10:00

"... but I do take everyone's point, and am learning a little something about acceptable topics of conversation"

Seems this thread has had a "spontaneous" invasion of "i'm not a prude, but...." types, many of whom very seldom venture onto AIBU but came here for the express purpose of Being Offended.

Clearly one can say cunt as much as you like on MN but not actually talk about them.

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 08:25:37

I'm sorry you feel that way Euphemia but i'm a Po faced old woman and don't like dirty jokes about children.
As for coming on here with the express intention of being offended I can assure you that there is nothing further from the truth.

I use the word cunt as often as anyone but not to discuss my 12 year old DDs genitals.
You know there's a difference between atrocious cunts and ordinary ones don't you.

Oh don't be silly Lazyjaney! I for one am always on AIBU threads so I hope you're not including me in your little made up band of merry prudes.
Also you often get threads where as soon as one poster speaks up in an opposing manner then others will come out of the woodwork because they were afraid or cautious of being the lone voice.

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 08:31:05

Grow up Lazy! It's not the topic per se it's the age of the DD ! The people you're talking about are not the pearl-clutchers of MN!

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 08:32:09

Because the OP is well known and well liked lots of others bit their tongues until they saw they weren't the only so called prudes.

ShoutyCrackers Wed 26-Jun-13 08:33:48

Op - I'm amazed at you. Crass, disgusting, shocking. I'm embarrassed for you. Truly - really embarrassed for you. Am cringing here.

Weird

everlong Wed 26-Jun-13 08:35:48

I don't recognise the OP.
I would have said the same to a first time poster though.

ShoutyCrackers Wed 26-Jun-13 08:39:08

You are wrong on many different levels op - as is your DH

HQ should delete this thread

thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 09:10:13

I am sure the op posted this in a light hearted way and would be horrified by some of the criticism here.

After all it is supposed to he an anonymous site and I certainly don't know the ops daughter!

To the poster whose school called social services at boys comparing willies I assume the school were blasted by SS about this waste of their valuable time looking at real safeguarding issues.

For goodness sake.

Lazyjaney Wed 26-Jun-13 09:14:22

"Grow up Lazy! It's not the topic per se it's the age of the DD ! The people you're talking about are not the pearl-clutchers of MN!"

I am grown up thanks, certainly enough to know that the relationship between mothers and kids is infinitely variable, and people with repressed relationships always snipe at those with more open ones, full of righteous indignation. As to not being the pearl clutchers of MN, to all the "i'm-not-a-prude-buts" on here - congratulations, you've just been inducted.

And I'm also long in the tooth enough to spot flocking on a chat room from a mile away MN search is a wonderful thing

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 09:16:08

Janey, do you have a lot of time on your hands ?

xylem8 Wed 26-Jun-13 09:20:44

I hope the thread gets pulled soon.

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 09:21:13

Go on then Janey,name and shame the flockers.

Who did I flock in after?

I'm quite happy to be called a prude if discussing a 12 year old girls 'flaps' makes me one.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 09:40:25

Just coming back to this thread and I have to say I am somewhat bemused by these responses.

Although I agree with a few points made, some of the jokes were a bit hmm, Im sure the posters didn't mean them in the way some people are making them out to be.

I've read other threads, some are even in classics, about funny/embarrassing things children have done, many are to do with their genitals. I believe the OP thought this is one of those situations, even if maybe some of her wording was ill judged.

Asking the thread to be pulled is a bit OTT. Rather than pointing out what is wrong with the wording and some of the jokes, some posters are twisting this thread into something more sinister.

LEMisdisappointed Wed 26-Jun-13 09:45:08

Lazy - I actually find your suggestion insulting. I was the first to post that this thread made me uncomfortable amidst all the laughing and silliness. I did not lay into the the OP and i really am not a prude, but i don't care if you believe that or not!

I actually don't think the anonymity (spelling!) is the issue either, I do not want to be reading intimate details of an adolescent CHILDs genitals thank you very much. Had it been an adult, mildly amusing but hardly the funniest thing in the world, im sure we all do it. I would be and am equally uncomfortable discussing boys bits as well, i just don't like it.

I am not a prude, i am not going to be teaching my DD that her private parts are things to be ashamed of, but they are to be respected and kept private, its HER body, not something to entertain others with.

I was actually shocked that so many people thought this was acceptable and funny, i suspect it was the very sheep mentality that you suggested the pearl clutchers have (if only i had pearls to clutch), the first few posters think its hysterical, had someone had posted at the begining - ewww, are you sure you should be discussing this like this, the thread would have died a dignified death by now

thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 09:45:18

Yes agree nameThatTuna. The jokes were ill advised but lots of things are on mumsnet and I guarantee if you are a regular poster like me at some point you will cringe at a comment you have made.

Personally I feel more uncomfortable about the ganging up on the op and the hints of sinister overtures of abuse here rather than worrying about an anonymous 12 year.

LEMisdisappointed Wed 26-Jun-13 09:47:12

It is not sinister at all, i am not suggesting anything of the sort, it is just inappropriate and made me uncomfortable.

TheSecondComing Wed 26-Jun-13 09:53:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Babbadie Wed 26-Jun-13 09:55:21

I can do this. I haven't had children. It's hilarious. I'm 28 blush

SparkyTGD Wed 26-Jun-13 10:04:29

I agree with the 'po', not appropriate, if OP had changed to her sister/cousin/friend/herself, female over 20 (ish) basically it would be ok and funny.

Think of how hairy handed trucker types would love all the details in this thread shock

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 10:08:26

Think of how hairy handed trucker types would love all the details in this thread What?

FFS!

LEMisdisappointed Wed 26-Jun-13 10:16:25

Babbadie - yes, its very funny grin but you are 28 so its is perfectly ok for you to regale us with detailed instructions and imagery of you legs akimbo cycling and parping away but that is because you are 28!!! not 12

everlong Wed 26-Jun-13 10:32:33

Janey I have a very close relationship with my sons.

But some things are private and not really appropriate to be talked about with parents, for both parties.

And I'm baffled at your flock comment. How about people with the same sense of what's right?

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 10:48:44

I don't think anyone was suggesting that there is anything intentionally sinister in this, just that it is all a pretty ick to be joking about a young girl in this way.

I don't think it is PO or prudish to point it out. I just think people got carried away and forgot they were talking about a little girl. Which is why I responded to it.

I think people on MN sometimes forget that this is a public forum and that anyone could be reading/contributing to a thread. That isn't being paranoid, that is the sad reality.

And as for flocking, I think you are simply witnessing lots of people happening to agree with each other. No great conspiracy there.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 10:54:32

What's the difference between farting from your bum or from your vagina?

After all they are just parts of a human body, no?

Someone said up thread about the use of the word clitoris, when OP was explaining how her DD described how she could do it. Isn't that the correct name for that particular body part?

Just because some think its a word associated with sex, it really isn't.

HighBrows Wed 26-Jun-13 10:58:13

I'm po faced at the po facedness on this thread smile

Look I read this thread in the lighthearted way it was intended. It's a thread about body functions and body parts, there's nothing sexual about. I have two daughters around this age DD1 is very modest and will dress in private, shower in private and I haven't seen her naked in years. DD2 is the total opposite. I respect both their modesty stances!

Fenton Wed 26-Jun-13 10:59:45

Jesus OP, what were you thinking when you decided to post about this? shock

KrazyKurls Wed 26-Jun-13 11:09:27

I discovered this talent at 9 months pregnant with DC1, the only comfy position was on all fours with my arse in the air. I used to wake DH up to entertain him!

Haven't tried it since, will do when I get home - currently sitting on a building site might be a bit inappropriate!

HepsibarCrinkletoes Wed 26-Jun-13 11:15:22

Lazy you are talking crap. I am not PO faced, but this thread is beyond the pale. And as to my never posting on AIBU, I think you will find that under my old user names (I changed yesterday) I can only ever be found on AIBU.

You'll all have to forgive me I am incredibly bored this morning and I'm trying to put off going outside for a cigarette.

I advanced searched all the naysayers on this thread. all of them have posted numerous times on the Am I Being Unreasonable topic.

So erm yeah.

I'll just go flock off and do something productive now...

Fenton Wed 26-Jun-13 11:32:22

I have read back up and seen that " MN search is a wonderful thing "

such a shitty thing to post, just stirs up the paranoia about all the pm/facebook let's jump on the thread nonsense. hmm

btw Active Convos is a wonderful thing, - it's where I hang out mostly.

bottleofbeer Wed 26-Jun-13 11:37:31

Po faced? pearl clutching? hahah baby Jebus, not even close.

It's a horrible thread.

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 11:56:19

There seems to be some confusion here, so I'll just say it one last time.

Pointing out that thread had become sexualised is not the same as sexualising the thread. I think you'll find the ping pong ball jokes and video from Benidorm did that. Fine if we were talking about Viva's vagina. Not fine when talking about her CHILD's.

How is that hard for some people to grasp?

Fuck it. I'm gonna go full po now.

These kinds of jokes get filed with rape jokes in my opinion - not fucking funny. It opens the door to people thinking that stuff like this is acceptable to say. And aren't we struggling enough with the sexualisation of our children - see Jimmy Saville and countless grooming cases - to not have to encounter this shit on a forum where people frankly should know better? It is shit like this that creates situations where boys and girls can't innocently talk about and explore their bodies without it being pornified. It is fucking vile.

I feel very strongly that children need to be taught that their bodies are natural and should respected, and that part of that is knowing that they should be private, not least in this era of advanced technology. But also that their body is something they are in control of. This thread has shown no respect for any of that.

For fucking shame.

thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 11:59:23

It is all about intent though isn't it and I am dam sure the op just posted and didn't really think it through.

I agree it was ill advised and I know my dds who are early teens would never think this funny, like others they are extremely private, but hope no real harm done here.

HepsibarCrinkletoes Wed 26-Jun-13 12:07:11

Everything Sheshelob says. And before the po bashers leap on that, I don't know her from Adam.

HighBrows Wed 26-Jun-13 12:08:39

I get what you and others are saying Sheshelob but I do think the OP didn't intend to cause so much offence.

I didn't read too much into the sexual side of this I just took it as something lighthearted.

dontmeanto Wed 26-Jun-13 12:18:11

The first thing I thought when reading was 'is that even safe??'

Isn't there something about excessive air up there possibly causing health problems? Embolisms and such? Although it may only occur if the air stays in.

specialmagiclady Wed 26-Jun-13 12:21:44

I'm so disappointed. I was really enjoying this thread. Now you've ruined it with your sexualisation nonsense.

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 12:26:17

Sheesh.

I give up.

<rides off on high horse>

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:27:54

I agree with Sheshelob

It is one thing to talk about farting fannies (which is funny) and another to be making comments about a 12 year old CHILD using her fanny to shoot ping pong balls, ffs. What is wrong with people? Why is it po-faced to object to the sexualisation of children?

VenusSurprising Wed 26-Jun-13 12:28:49

I can't imagine not being able to do this.

My physio says it's very good for your pelvic muscles, for control and engagement of the abdominal transverse muscles.

Get cracking on those queefs gals. My yoga class is more like the wind section of a fanjo orchestra!

Once you can do it, your DH/P will enjoy the sensation too!!

To the po faced few, it's only one of many things we anonymously discuss about our 12 year old Dds. Lighten up maybe?

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:30:52

And for the record, OP, I think it is a adolescent thing. I remember discovering similar when I was about 12 and spending ages lying on my back trying to make the sound - I thought it was hilarious in the same way kids think farts are hilarious. It was also fascinating figuring out these new things my body could do. It is completely healthy, imho.

If someone had then turned around and made a comment about shooting ping pong balls or any other sexualised coments, I would have felt ashamed and embarrassed about my body and to be honest, I think people (including OP) should just leave 12 year girls alone to discover their bodies however they like without adults imposing their own sexualisation on them.

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:10

Chaya nails it.

smile

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:21

If people are ok anonymously discussing our girl children shooting ping pongs out of their vaginas in the way that gogo girls in Thai strip clubs do for disgusting overweight and middle-aged European tourists then how about we talk about various other sexualised degradation of these same 12 year old girls. After all, it is all just anonymous and a bit of fun! Someone masturbating over her! Someone oggling her newly formed tits! Hah hah hah hah!

xylem8 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:48

apart fromm the sexualisation, I just find it so disrespectful

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:38:50

Me too.

And the whole calling of "po-facedness" just brings home to me again how fucking casual we are about the sexualisation of young girls. It doesn't take long to go from that to talking about Jeremy Forrest and his "lover."

Girl children are not objects for our amusement to impose our sexuality on. They are autonomous human beings with the right to respect and bodily integrity like anyone else.

Remotecontrolduck Wed 26-Jun-13 12:42:36

Ok, I think there is a bit of extreme po-facedness and reading too much into it on this thread, but realistically the DD could be identified (unlikely, but not impossible) so perhaps not the best thing to be posting about.

I think it was a bit misjudged, that's all.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 12:45:37

Have I missed something? I don't see any of the later responses defending the joke about ping pong balls etc. I think we're all in agreement its bad taste , although as some of us pointed out, more ill judged than a deliberate sexualisation of a child.

Now this thread has become what it was never intended to be.

Fenton Wed 26-Jun-13 12:46:48

I do think it was misjudged.

I'm also happy to be branded extreme po and prudish if that means I simply find the discussion and the subsequent references highly distasteful, thanks.

phantomnamechanger Wed 26-Jun-13 12:51:14

bloody hell talk about TMI and folk not knowing when they have gone too far - was the aim of this thread to brag? or to ask whether this "ability" was normal? or safe? Could you not have pretended it was you OP, rather than a child?

And shame on all of you who think it appropriate to make sleazy jokes about party tricks and adult entertainers. This is a child we are talking about.

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:54:46

"Deliberate" sexualisation or not, the sexualisation of girl children has become so normalised in our society that it would seem posters can comment about how a 12-year old girl (who is having delight in discovering her own vagina by herself in the privacy of her own home) should show the boys at school and make references to strip clubs and Benidorm without thinking twice. It would seem that young girls these days can't have bodily autonomy or delight in their own bodies without someone saying that it should be marketed for someone (usually male) enjoyment. Pretty sad in my po-faced opinion.

phantomnamechanger Wed 26-Jun-13 12:58:44

I agree with those saying they despair of the casualness and normailisation of this kind of thing in relation to our children. Slutty slogans on their clothes, revealing clothes aimed at little girls. It's wrong. Its like those sick newspaper countdowns to when charlotte church and emma watson were turning 16, And it's sad that so many people think because this sort of thing is out there at all then its normal and acceptable, when it's just bleurgh! OK, the OPs dd may have some anonymity on here, but would it be OK to have the same sort of converstaion at the school gate or a family BBQ. I flippin hope not!

sparkle12mar08 Wed 26-Jun-13 13:13:11

I'm quite happy to say I stand in the po faced corner, and also to say that I've reported the thread for all the reasons already discussed. Disgraceful.

Stepissue Wed 26-Jun-13 13:15:07

Her dad suggested she could make a career out if it? hmm Grim.

TheSecondComing Wed 26-Jun-13 13:45:06

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ShoutyCrackers Wed 26-Jun-13 13:47:37

Where is the op anyway?

I suggest a permanent name change

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 13:51:11

There are none so blind as those that cannot see. And other cliches.

specialmagiclady Wed 26-Jun-13 14:02:09

Question: is Puppetry of the Penis sexual?

No, it's a bit gross, it's transgressive, it's not my cup of tea to watch. But basically it's some blokes who discovered they could do something amusing with the stretchy, ugliness of their genitalia and showing it off.

I don't see anything in the OP's original post that suggests people might take sexual pleasure from her daughter's trumpeting labia. She does, however, speculate that people might pay to see her extraordinary talent.

As for Sticky Vicky, the only person on this thread who's seen her is "someone's Nan".

It's gross-out stuff but I don't think it's sexual any more than a circus contortionist is. Just showing the wonder of the human body in all its peculiarity.

Ping pong remarks possibly different.

Those who are talking about sexualisation are verging on the Bowdleristic approach (covering the legs of pianos because they were too sexy FFS). It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 14:16:03

Some of the first few responses and the child's father likened it to "sexy" or the sex industry and that is what some of us are grossed out by.

Nothing wrong with my boundaries where pubescent children are concerned.

HepsibarCrinkletoes Wed 26-Jun-13 14:17:42

Is it fuck my mind that makes it sexy. Jesus fucking Christ. I would not discuss my adult daughters in this way, let alone a 12 yo. Did you actually mean to post such bollocks or is that just the shit you normally post. I hope no one discusses your daughter/niece like this or would it simply not bother you.

I am so far from po it's ridiculous but this is just plain wrong and I appalled at some of the posts on this thread.

Fenton Wed 26-Jun-13 14:25:16

It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

There's nothing I could say to that comment without getting deleted.

Bollocks.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 14:31:04

AF The only posts I can see referring to sex are people saying the only time they've ever done it is during sex. Not referring to the DD in the same post.

Most of the responses are people saying that its not really that uncommon and sharing a story or two. Well that's the way I read it anyway.

As I said before, I don't see anyone defending the ping pong comments, or you tube comments, once it was pointed out how it may come across.

But for some posters to then escalate the thread by mentioning Jimmy Saville, rape jokes etc have gone way too far, and twisted this into something else.

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 14:44:45

Tuna, some respondents may not be directly defending the "ping pong" comments but by referring to those that are uncomfortable with the subject matter as "po", "pearl clutchers" or raising questions about what might be going on in their minds, they are tacitly agreeing with them

You either think it's ok to discuss a 12yo's vagina in relation to her making a living from using it, or you are not.

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 14:45:10

Don't be indirect, Tuna. By some posters, you mean me.

And that particular rant was me going full-po. I wanted to give the context of my objections to the sexualisation of children, because some of you "jokers" didn't seem to get it.

Apparently, feeling that sex jokes about children are crossing a line is something that needs justifying on MN.

Oh, and if you point it out, it means you see sex everywhere and might have something to "tell" everyone.

Awesome logic, people. Feel proud. You've reached a new low.

everlong Wed 26-Jun-13 14:49:36

This thread needs pulling. OP probably best to NC cos you're always going to known from this thread.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 14:52:55

Not indirect She, more a case of I couldn't be arsed to quote your post.

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 14:55:20

Tuna It wasn't just the ping ping comments but the comments about Benidorm, showing the boys at school, using it in a Thai strip club (a post the was deleted by MN, I think) and then any reference to those who objected as being "po-faced" that implicitedly both trivialised and supported the sexualisation of girl children for adult amusement.

And the fact that people (and one could presume mothers!) could post such comments without even thinking twice just goes to show how much we have normalised such sexualisation in our society. It is this normalisation that then leads us to dismiss complaints of sexual abuse by young girls as not credible or exaggerated because they were clearly "asking for it" by just having a vagina. Clearly this young girl was asking for people to sexualise her vagina (and indeed suggest she then uses it for male sexual amusement outside the privacy of her home) simply by engaging in some pretty normal adolescent exploration by herself at home. Not.

garlicnutty Wed 26-Jun-13 15:07:03

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:21

Chaya, this post was revolting. You conjured up a whole world of sleaze, misogyny and sexual abuse. You conjured it, for no clear reason. You are the only person on this nine-page thread to have introduced those images to a mainly cheerful discussion. A thoughtless ping-pong 'joke' did not make a graphic connection between OP's daughter and sleaze; you did.

What on earth prompted you to launch such an imaginative visit to some of Pattaya's worse strip bars?

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 15:07:16

I am actually genuinely curious now as to how many mothers/parents would seriously be comfortable with someone making a comment that their 12-year old girl could make money from her vagina and/or put it on public display for the boys in her school/dirty old men in Thailand.

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 15:09:22

Why on earth is the ping pong reference to then? Table tennis? Give me a break. And you may have actually missed the post about Thai strip clubs because it was deleted by Mumsnet HQ.

And a "mainly cheerful discussion". Please.

I am so frickin sick of the sexualisation of young girls being dismissed as simply "thoughtless"

garlicnutty Wed 26-Jun-13 15:12:27

"ogling her newly-formed tits" - Your words, I believe, Chaya.

This thread is scaring me now, so I'm hiding it.

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 15:16:07

damn right it's a frightening thread, for all the reasons chaya has stated

and the comment about the 12yo tits ? Why not ? We are all discussing a 12yo's vagina after all and how it can be utilised to earn her money and entertain users of the sex industry, so how far would we all like to take it ?

tits seem pretty tame when compared to that, tbh

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 15:17:38

Yes, my words to show exactly what we are talking about we when we say that it is ok to have a bit of a laff about ping-ponging in strip clubs. It is not fucking funny. It is disgusting. If you think it is funny to make a joke about her being in Beniform, or ping-ponging, or showing her "skills" to the boys at school then you'd better think a bit more carefully about what exactly you are laughing at. You are laughing at those disgusting descriptions I gave.

It is the same reason rape jokes aren't funny. Jokes making light of sexual exploitation are just not funny.

ArtemisatBrauron Wed 26-Jun-13 15:19:24

and hiding this thread now. biscuit

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 15:19:53

Just to repost my actual post for context, I wrote:

"If people are ok anonymously discussing our girl children shooting ping pongs out of their vaginas in the way that gogo girls in Thai strip clubs do for disgusting overweight and middle-aged European tourists then how about we talk about various other sexualised degradation of these same 12 year old girls. After all, it is all just anonymous and a bit of fun! Someone masturbating over her! Someone oggling her newly formed tits! Hah hah hah hah!"

garlicnutty Wed 26-Jun-13 15:21:57

But I don't make those associations! I didn't make those jokes. I don't make rape jokes, neither do I laugh at them.

When I hear a rape joke, I see a person unwittingly perpetuating rape culture, whether they are rapist material or not. I tell them it's not funny. I don't launch into a detailed and lascivious depiction of a rape from the rapist's point of view; that would be weird, wouldn't it? So why is it not weird when you do the exact equivalent on this thread?

garlicnutty Wed 26-Jun-13 15:22:58

Urgh ... twice.

Thread hidden.

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 15:38:16

urgh...twice

then garlic, you are experiencing what some of us felt on reading the op, and some of the early comments

welcome to our world

it feels like shit, doesn't it

hamdangle Wed 26-Jun-13 16:02:38

As far as I can see there was only one comment by one person (or possibly two) about ping pong balls and that's been deleted.

I think the sticky Vicky comments came when the thread had moved on to posters' own pelvic floors/vaginas and wasn't in reference to OP's daughter just more look at how gross this is.

If the YouTube reference is about my post then if you read it properly I said that "its called a queef. Stick it in YouTube. There's a tutorial." Meaning stick the word queef in not put the kid on You Tube!

ChestyNut Wed 26-Jun-13 16:31:02

Badly thought out thread, an sure OP didn't mean to upset people.

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 16:37:36

Unless I've missed a post or two, a poster not liking this discussion up thread mentioned being 'po faced' and 'prudish' first. Then many other posters in agreement called themselves 'po faced' and 'prudish'.

Words/posts have been twisted to suit an opinion.

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 16:56:31

It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

Jesus Christ. This thread has been a fucking disgrace from the start. And the above comment just about sums it up. THE OP'S DD IS 12 YEARS OLD AND PEOPLE ARE JOKING ABOUT MAKING A CAREER OUT OF THIS, INCLUDING HER OWN DAD. WHAT FFS, IS OK ABOUT THAT. And, yes, I was shouting there.
OP if you're still reading this, you might want to think about changing name permanently after this.

HolidayArmadillo Wed 26-Jun-13 16:56:46

I suspect viva will be distraught at the way this thread has gone, I completely get the angle she has posted from (especially given her profession, midwives and children of midwives tend to be verrrry relaxed around vaginas) and a few posters have come and made this into something it was never intended to be.

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 16:58:16

Tuna, I said in my first post that I was feeling po-faced about this. I wouldn't say I didn't like the discussion, I'd say I was gobsmacked that people thought it was OK.

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 17:00:17

My aunt is a GP, she's very relaxed about vaginas and very open with her kids, as they are with her. On their terms. I don't know how happy they would have been about her posting hilarious details on an online forum, but, hey!

thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 17:02:36

I think the way the op is being vilified and hounded over a silly post which was obviously light hearted is actually frightening.

Instructing posters to make change is bullying actually!

The ping pong reference was stupid and daft but was rightly deleted.

I think enough now ffs.

TheSecondComing Wed 26-Jun-13 17:04:49

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IneedAyoniNickname Wed 26-Jun-13 17:05:39

Another one here who is po faced. I read the first couple of pages wondering why I didn't find it funny like everyone else, and was so glad when others said how wrong they found it.

As an aside, I've done it a couple of times during sex,since having ds2. Luckily it was with a long term partner who laughed about it. But the fact that it could happen if I ever meet someone new scares me!

HolidayArmadillo Wed 26-Jun-13 17:08:40

Would there be the same outcry if we replaced fanny farts with regular bumhole farts?

thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 17:11:23

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TheSecondComing Wed 26-Jun-13 17:14:01

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thebody Wed 26-Jun-13 17:19:01

If you think this is a fucking hideous thread ( ping pong jokes apart) you don't come on aibu or get out much.

Anyway thread getting very silly and far too heated so out now..

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 17:20:05

Nobody is hounding the OP

She has been cut an awful lot of slack, because she is a known and liked poster. I am only speaking for myself when I say I held back for that reason only, but I don't reckon I am the only one.

If it had been a newbie, namechanger or less well known person they would have been crucified right from the beginning.

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 17:27:13

Agree with AF. I kept re-reading the OP, knowing that I recognised the posting name, wondering if I'd got the wrong end of the stick, then realising that, unfortunately, I hadn't.
My suggestion for name-changing was only because the OP might not want to be remembered for this thread. Obviously she doesn't have to! I'm not sure how that could possibly be construed as hounding confused

everlong Wed 26-Jun-13 18:05:43

I've not bullied the OP. My suggestion to NC was a sensible one imo.

And as for her being hounded and vilified, that's really not the case. But of course for all the jokers needed a come of sorts. Meh.

Onesleeptillwembley Wed 26-Jun-13 18:09:23

shouts;

'Pitchforks, torches, get your pitchforks here.'

That's all this thread needs now.

nenevomito Wed 26-Jun-13 18:16:33

Would there be the same outcry if we replaced fanny farts with regular bumhole farts?

I doubt anyone would have come and made jokes about firing ping pong balls if it had been about regular farts would they.

Oy!

I'm with the Po faced brigade here.

reelingintheyears Wed 26-Jun-13 18:47:47

Viva's been Viva since I've been on here,i shan't remember her for only this thread,she's a good sort.
But this thread is horrible and unthinking and should have been pulled,i can't imagine why Viva thought it was a laugh.
I bet she is more than a little upset right now and I bet all this has made her stop and think.

It would have me if i'd posted it.

Certainly if she had been a newbie she would have been run out of town.

Shall we all just piss off and get our tea now and let this die a death?

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 18:56:57

Then again, Viva may simply be doing RL/be on holiday smile

< watching Federer having to work for his money >

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 19:26:19

I agree reeling I can't be bothered to argue discuss this anymore.

I'm too sleepy after a huge meal to concentrate.

LEMisdisappointed Wed 26-Jun-13 19:50:01

I would hope that viva wouldn't feel the need to namechange, i think it has got out of hand now and i thin it would be far better pulled. I don't think badly of viva, i think it was a misjudged and inappropriate thread. Had it been a new poster i would have been more hmm

Oh and i would have found bumhole farts just as unsavoury, actually probably more so. It is just something i have a sense of humour bypass about it

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 20:10:19

TBH I'm surprised there hasn't been a post from MNHQ. Not necessarily defending or opposing the posts, but because of the reaction. I think only one post has been deleted?

Are they eating their tea or watching Federer too?

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 20:15:38

<takes off boxing gloves and gets off high horse>

It's too hot to fight any more.

The one positive outcome of this thread, for me, was the coining of the term "Bumhole farts". Only on frigging MN.

smile

NameThatTuna Wed 26-Jun-13 20:25:33

<takes off boxing gloves and gets off high horse>

Now that is a skill. How did you manage to hold on for 11 pages?

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 20:50:11

I have an incredible pelvic floor, obviously.

<ducks>

You see this MNHQ. You leave threads and the bunfights fizzle out naturally and we're all friends again!

<shares out buns>

And yes viva is a good egg, I like her. I hope she hasn't been scared off.

AnyFucker Wed 26-Jun-13 21:20:35

Indeed. We shall all ride off into the sunset on our nags, holding on by sheer force of our pelvic floors.

Sheshelob Wed 26-Jun-13 21:30:14

grin

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 26-Jun-13 22:17:22

Tally Ho!

TheRealFellatio Thu 27-Jun-13 06:21:56

I have only just seen this thread.

I was uncomfortable from the very beginning withthis thread and people's reactions to it. I know we can talk about anything on here, but there are limits to the amount of graphic detail we should go into, in the name of decency and good taste and just a bit of dignity aren't there?

I breathed an almost audible sigh of relief once the first WTF? comment was made - and there I was thinking it was just me. confused

I am not comfortable AT ALL with the inner workings of a child's vagina being discussed in such graphic terms on the internet for entertainment - especially not when her skills and erm...talents are likened to things you might see in a sex show. And the description of the position she gets into and how she manually manipulates herself to do this....I mean, seriously? hmm

I dread to think in whose grubby hands this thread could end up, and I would pull it, personally.

Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 08:24:30

Jesus, leave a post for 48hrs and this is what happens!

I can't see a post regarding ping pongs (guessing its one of the 2 MN have deleted), and feel quite sad at how this has gone.

I must be a bit naive, but for me, I was reading about something amazing that the ops daughter could do with her fanjo (news flash-all females are born with one!!), wishing I could do it, and suprised that so many people could. I was particularly impressed with the whole "play a tune" skills some have.
I'm pretty sure at 12 if I could have done this and had demonstrated to the boys in school it would merely have been an awesome thing I could do, not anything sexual (with regard the post about boys and arm pit farting).

I think it's great this young adolescent feels comfortable enough in her own skin and family relationships to openly discuss and joke about her "talent" to her parents. It sounds like she has a healthy (hang up free) relationship with her body. Well done OP. It seems to me that the nay Sayers here have done most to sexualise this thread, not those simply discussing fanjo parping. If there was a particular post that was offensive than report or remonstrate that, but instead you have attacked the whole thread. How sad.

everlong Thu 27-Jun-13 08:36:38

You missed the Thailand bit I'm guessing?

thebody Thu 27-Jun-13 08:42:50

Jesus Christ don't start this up again just when peace broke out!!!!

if you haven't read the whole thread back away. 😏 for your own sanity.

reelingintheyears Thu 27-Jun-13 08:42:58

Oh yeah,a great laugh for the boys at school,then how long before they start calling you names about your so called talent and it descends into bullying.
A 12 year old lying on her back in the playground farting from her fanny for the amusement of all the other children would probably have the school calling social services.

reelingintheyears Thu 27-Jun-13 08:44:31

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Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 08:49:14

Did read it, it pissed me off no end how it's been changed which is why I posted.

Bullies will find something to call you regardless if they are bullies.

Can't see a Thailand post, and as I said, if one post pisses you off, report and comment on that, rather than make the op feel shit about what was originally a light hearted thread.

Sheshelob Thu 27-Jun-13 09:04:22

I'm with thebody on this point.

We're at peace, now. Don't start it up again. Let's just let the thread peter out.

I'm not sure my pelvic floor could take another 11 pages on my high horse. And I seem to have misplaced by boxing gloves...

smile

TheRealFellatio Thu 27-Jun-13 09:23:24

I am not sure it is quite so normal and healthy to be hang-up free about your genitals at 12 is it? I'd say it's the opposite of normal actually.

Without wishing to assume or imply anything about the OP or her daughter, (honestly) this lack of 'hang ups' and this quite startling openness and lack of embarrassment and modesty is more akin to that of a three year old, and might easily be construed by some as a lack of boundaries and a worrying degree of immaturity. Oh I don't know - maybe that's just me? am I over-thinking it? confused

My children are older older than twelve and I cannot imagine a them wanting to share something like this with us beyond around 7 or 8, if that. For most 12 year old girls this would only be something they shared with their parents in their worst and most humiliating nightmares.

OP I imagine you have been hugely upset by the way this has turned out and I am sorry it has backfired so badly for you. I am sure you meant no harm, but just stop and think it through for a moment and maybe ask for the thread to be deleted. I hope you're ok.

Spottyblancmange Thu 27-Jun-13 09:27:16

Regardless of your opinion either way on the thread... It's certainly shown that despite the huge denials whenever it's said generally, long term recognisable posters do get treated differently from posters who aren't as recognisable (whether because they are new, or name change, or just aren't as memorable.). It's actually very refreshing to see it admitted, credit to the people who did.

Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 09:30:09

I think the op is a midwife, fanjos are probably a major topic of conversation at her home and seen (not literally) in a very functional way.

everlong Thu 27-Jun-13 09:30:16

One post didn't piss me. I've lost count how many did.

And pack it in with the bullying crap it's boring.

Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 09:33:50

I certainly wasn't trying to drag anything on, or restart a debate. I work long shifts and this am was the first time I came back to MN in 3 days and felt I needed to comment. TheRealFellatio posted this morning before me, so it was still in action as far as I could see.

Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 09:37:20

everlong the bullying part of my post was in reference to the post advising me that boys may have bullied me if I was able to fanjo toot as a twelve year old, nothing to do with any posting in here.

everlong Thu 27-Jun-13 09:40:16

Oh right.

notafan0fy00 Thu 27-Jun-13 09:41:27

This thread is just wrong on all kinds of levels - the original post (however innocently meant), the replies, the giant scrap it turned into. I wish they'd pull it!

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 27-Jun-13 09:42:19

I could do this as a teenager, I wouldn't have talked to anyone about it especially not my dad.

I don't think the other kids at school would would just find it a funny thing that she can do, they'd take the piss and shed probably be stuck with some god awful fanny farting nick name that followed her around until she left.

Tbh I'd tell her to keep it to the privacy of her own room.

notafan0fy00 Thu 27-Jun-13 09:43:30

Also agree with Spottyblancmange - it's VERY interesting that it took until page 3 or 4 for someone to say 'Is it just me that finds this distasteful?' and then suddenly loads of people agree. Nobody was prepared to say anything before then as it was a known OP. If it was someone else, they'd have been shat on from the word go.

TheSecondComing Thu 27-Jun-13 10:25:44

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HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 27-Jun-13 11:17:40

Morning. And thanks to those of you who've reported this thread to us.

We hear what some of you are saying about this thread being in bad taste but we don't generally delete on grounds of bad taste. Everyone has such different 'bad taste' thresholds, it's almost impossible to know where to draw the line.

We can see that some folks are saying that the fact that the OP is a well-known user has/will influence our decisions here. And, yes, that's true - to a certain extent.

The fact that the OP's been on Mumsnet for a number of years and has a perfectly normal posting history (ie she's clearly not some weirdy, pervy troll) is very relevant.

We don't think this is favouritism; just common sense.

xylem8 Thu 27-Jun-13 12:24:30

I think this thread may attract people reading it for the wrong reasons, and if brought to media attention, certainly sends out the wrong sort of message for a parenting website with regards to protection and respect for children.

LEMisdisappointed Thu 27-Jun-13 12:27:29

I certainly don't think its a case of favouritism that Viva has been treated differently on this thread. I certainly held back on comments as because it is someone i trust as a poster, it was just the subject matter and the appropriateness that I called into question.

1. She didn't name change because she didn't think it wa inappropriate, has nothing to hide etc. If it was a new poster i would have been suspicious that the thread was started just to goad, i don't think that is the case i think it was just poorly judged. I would really hope that viva doesn't feel she can't post on here.

Spottyblancmange Thu 27-Jun-13 12:27:51

If by some folks you include me MNHQ you've interpreted me wrong, it wasn't a dig at you about favouritism, I just meant the other posters reactions, where it was admitted some hadn't said anything because it was a well loved poster.

It's not a bad thing, it happens on every single forum on the internet I'd imagine. It's just unusual to see it admitted here, normally everyone insists they react the same regardless and it's herecy to say they don't. Which I'm sure some people do, but I'm equally sure some people don't.

ICBINEG Thu 27-Jun-13 12:42:58

wow.

I don't get the outrage.

A 12 yo has found an unusual talent and is confident enough in the love and respect of her mother to tell her about it.

The mother doesn't think it is weird to discuss online precisely BECAUSE she doesn't think of her own daughter in a sexualised way.

The vast VAST majority of the comments that could be interpreted in ANY sexualised way have been made by people saying the thread should be pulled for sexualizing a child.

OR YOU COULD HAVE JUST STFU AND LET IT BE A FUN THREAD ABOUT A CHILD.

TheRealFellatio Thu 27-Jun-13 13:04:25

I don't think we have been sexualising a child, I think are showing concern that anyone who did want to sexualise a child would be having a field day off the back of this thread.

Besides, the transition from the physical state of childhood to adulthood is not a like a lightswitch that you flick they day a person turns 16. It's a much more subtle, gradual and complicated thing than that. If I were this girl's mother I'd be saying 'that's very entertaining darling but you are almost a teenager now, and it's probably not a good idea to be doing this in front of people. Including us. For all sorts of reasons.'

If some people are sexualising her, then others are definitely infantalising her. She's 12 FFS, not four!

Some of you may only have very young children and you cannot envisage a time when they are any different than they are now, and while this girl is still a child of course, she is of an age where she needs to start to learn about the transition through puberty to womanhood, and behave appropriately. I'm sure none of you would tolerate a 12 year old boy wandering around the house trouserless and constantly pulling at his willy in front of you, in the way that you might accept in a toddler, or saying 'Mum! Dad! Look how I can make my erection go up and down in time to the music' hmm so I don't see how this is much different really.

xylem8 Thu 27-Jun-13 13:23:52

what sort of a parenting website carries a thread like this?

ICBINEG Thu 27-Jun-13 13:58:38

hmm well I think the fact that people can't talk about air going in and out of a vagina without it being a Thing is part of the problem with attitudes to sex in the UK.

You know which countries have the lowest rates of rape, sexual violence against men, women, and children etc etc?

The countries that have the most open, no holds barred, no censorship approach to sex education, porn, and discussion of sex, and bits of the body involved in sex.

It's okay to talk about arse farting but not fanjo farting? Ridiculous.

Gruntfuttock Thu 27-Jun-13 14:01:48

This is from the OP:-

"She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it."

You think that's fine, ICBINEG?

nemno Thu 27-Jun-13 14:10:57

I read the OP fairly early on and was amused. So much so that I nearly turned round to my husband to ask if he knew what a queef was. But I didn't because it seemed all wrong to explain to an adult male that this woman on MN was telling us about her 12yr old and the mechanics of how she does it. So I get that the OP was amused and wanted to share but it was ill judged.

Montybojangles Thu 27-Jun-13 14:42:08

Seriously?
Do you not think he might have said the same thing if his daughter could arse fart the national anthem, or Drink milk and then squirt it from her eye (some people can do this).
The op thought it was an unusual thing her daughter could do. And pretty impressive.
Good post ICBINEG

nemno Thu 27-Jun-13 14:58:36

Gosh, does this make me repressed? I don't think I am. I have boys with whom I have a fabulously frank relationship. I just didn't want to discuss a 12 YO's vagina antics with my husband. I think if I had a daughter then yes I could talk to my DH about hers.

Feminine Thu 27-Jun-13 15:06:30

I'm still shocked that the DD wasn't too mortified to share.

At that age they have basically the same vagina as a grown woman. Why has she no modesty?

All this 'sharing' we do these days will someday backfire.

xylem8 Thu 27-Jun-13 16:04:18

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HolidayArmadillo Thu 27-Jun-13 16:20:16

I really don't think there is any need for that xylem8. I reiterate that midwives and offspring of midwives who will have no doubt grown up with graphic vagina talk and images at home do tend to be a lot less hung up on vaginas - or that may just be my house. Anyway. Viva has hidden the thread as has no desire to be drawn back in to it.

notafan0fy00 Thu 27-Jun-13 16:32:59

Who on earth would someone 'no doubt' grow up with graphic vagina talk and images just because their mother is a midwife?!?! Do you think people who have proctologist dads grow up with graphic images and talk about their anuses?! Do you think that people whose parents work in a medical lab just love talking about faeces all day?!

Being comfortable with your body and having a bit of modesty are two different things. We're a very happy, open family but if my DD was playing amusing tricks with her vagina, I'd tell her gently that it's a private part of her body and that it's not a very nice thing to do. I wouldn't engage in discussions with her about how well she can play with her vagina, or be comfortable with my husband doing the same, or laugh about it and describe her vagina, including the parts of her vagina, on an internet forum.

None of that is normal for midwives, and believe me - I know.

notafan0fy00 Thu 27-Jun-13 16:34:39

Sorry to double post but have started cracking up laughing at the idea that midwives and their families have 'graphic vagina talk and images at home'. Do you think they photograph each one they see and then show the images to their families later and talk about them in detail?

HolidayArmadillo Thu 27-Jun-13 16:36:51

No but there is generally textbooks and whatever lying around plus general chat about the work day. Must just be my house.

notafan0fy00 Thu 27-Jun-13 16:43:24

"Gawd I saw this great big vagina at work today everyone"
"Really, a vagina? In your line of work?"
"Yeah a great big farty one"
"Was it like that huge picture of a vagina in the open textbook on the coffee table mum?"
"Yeah, a bit like that. Hang on, flip to the picture on page 26 - it's more like that one"
"Well, since we're looking at graphic images and having a graphic conversation about vaginas, guess what mine can do?"

hmm

AnyFucker Thu 27-Jun-13 17:09:31

Arf

ICBINEG Thu 27-Jun-13 17:09:55

hmm okay so in my book all parts of the body are body parts. They do different things but so the fuck what?

I think the concepts of modesty and shame are essentially interchangable when it comes to body parts.

People say things like 'I am not ashamed of my breasts, but I wouldn't show them in public' but if you substitute 'arms' or 'legs' for 'breasts' then it suddenly sounds weird and nonsensical...because it is, weird and nonsensical.

The concept of modesty is one of oppression. Men can show their nipples but women can't? Yeah...whatever.

You can talk about blowing air out of any hole you like...except a vagina. That is unseemly and undignified. Yeah...whatever.

AvonCallingBarksdale Thu 27-Jun-13 17:48:01

No, it's unseemly and undignified talking about a 12 year old girl doing this and talking about ping pongs and her taking her talents to Thailand. That's the bit that's not on. Couldn't care less if it's adults talking about their ability to perform said stunt! smile

Guerrillacrochet Thu 27-Jun-13 18:42:05

I was reading this yesterday and thought there was a cease fire? I can see both sides to this argument <precariously balances arse on fence>... i was a bit surprised by the OP but presumed it was because I came from a no-nudity and farting household! I don't think the OP or her DH were thinking of job opportunities in the sex industry, but the deleted ping pong comments were a bit bleugh.
I really can't see why the thread is still here though. It sounds like the OP has hidden it, and anyone laughing at the beginning is surely not laughing now. It's just a bit of a shitstorm, and I can't see anyone 'gaining' from keeping it? Please mumsnethq, put it out of its misery.

AvonCallingBarksdale Thu 27-Jun-13 18:50:07

Yes, we all rode off on our high horses, boxing gloves down and pelvic floors clenched into the sunset! Probably a good idea if we do so again and the thread just quietly pffffts...

TheRealFellatio Thu 27-Jun-13 20:39:04

I think it may have been me who inadvertently ignited it all again. Apologies - I came to the thread late and didn't read all the way to the end.

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