To not understand why any child under school age (ish) is given anything other than milk/water on a regular basis?

(268 Posts)
Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:03:38

I see it a lot out and about- tiny dots with bottles and beakers full of juice, squash or fizzy drink. I know it's not the worst thing that a young child can be given but I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm an avid squash drinker and happily drink it in front of my charges but they never ask for it. I don't drink tea/coffee so squash keeps me going!

If we were at a party then I don't see a problem with having other things but not on a normal day at home or on a trip out.

It's not even just the teeth element, but the habit it creates (I should know!!) and also the dependency on sugar- there's enough sugar in most foods in a normal diet without the almost saturate of a soft drink.

forceslover Mon 24-Jun-13 17:05:31

Because I don't sweat the small stuff and they clean their teeth.

Smug much?

quesadilla Mon 24-Jun-13 17:06:17

Squash and fizzy pop not good. Don't see the problem with watered down juice.

Guitargirl Mon 24-Jun-13 17:06:53

Oh ffs

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:08:30

Because some kids WILL NOT drink water or milk. Is that not obvious?

I would call 'stealth boast' but it's patently just 'boast' in this case.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 24-Jun-13 17:08:52

Milk is packed full of sugar.

sonlypuppyfat Mon 24-Jun-13 17:08:53

You need to get a hobby

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:09:12

I'm not smug, just confused

intheshed Mon 24-Jun-13 17:09:12

My 3yo has a fruit shoot every week while we are watching DD1's swimming lesson. She has fantastic teeth. There are worse things!

cuckoonest Mon 24-Jun-13 17:09:44

Because they drink fluids when they have (weak) squash, and drink naff all if it is water, no matter how attractive my new attempt at a 'water-only' bottle. And DD2 has never drunk a cup of cow's milk, she hates it. And I don't sweat the small stuff and they clean their teeth.

McNewPants2013 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:10:06

I have finally got ds to drink flavoured water after 7 years, squash before and still because some kind of fluid is better than none.

livinginwonderland Mon 24-Jun-13 17:10:22

Because some kids won't drink it. I refused plain water as a kid and I still don't much like it now. Cows milk is boring after a while I'm sure, plus it's not great for your teeth either.

adverbial Mon 24-Jun-13 17:11:14

I find it more odd that you're drinking squash as an adult grin
I only drink naice cordial, but prefer water obviously <outsmugs op>

Moderation (in squash consumption for children) and good dental hygiene is key, OP. Don't see a problem.

littlemisssarcastic Mon 24-Jun-13 17:11:40

I don't have an issue with DD drinking squash tbh. I drink tea as my preferred choice and DD drinks squash. I don't like DD drinking fizzy drinks, but would find it cruel to prohibit her from drinking anything other than water or milk while I sat there guzzling away litres of tasty squash in front of her.
It's not like it's alcohol is it?

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 24-Jun-13 17:12:02

my 2 will only drink water or milk <smug> I had no choice in the matter

Lottapianos Mon 24-Jun-13 17:12:05

I agree with you OP. There's no need for it, it damages their teeth and doesn't do their sugar levels any good. You will get flamed on here just like everyone else who shares an opinion about other people's parenting choices but not all choices are good ones.

BrokenBanana Mon 24-Jun-13 17:12:18

I think it's so funny when ds and I get judgey looks off judgey mothers when he drinks his (weak I must add!) squash, yet they sit there stuffing their kids faces with raisins!

Because they like it?

Its not necessary to give them lots of the things they do. They could easily survive without many things.

They like it and I don't really see any harm in it. They clean their teeth. My eldest is nearly 22, he's never been one for water and has grown up on whatever drink he fancies. No problems.

ouryve Mon 24-Jun-13 17:13:14

DS2, since he stopped nursing, hasn't drunk anything but water. Clearly I'm an uber parent.

Or i would be if it wasn't for the fact that, for his entire life, all we've cared about with DS1 is that he drinks, even though that frequently involves giving him squash or fruit juice or chocolate alpro. He will occasionally accept a few sips of water, but not enough not to end up ill.

My DS wouldn't drink plain water, he suffered (still does) from chronic constipation and paediatrician advised me to get fluids in however I could even if that was squash. It's not the worst thing in the world in the grand scheme of things is it.

Hypocritical much?

you drink it though. Set an example and don't drink it yourself.

BrianTheMole Mon 24-Jun-13 17:14:16

My ds prefers oj over anything else. And I brush his teeth. Not really anyone elses business.

mixedmamameansbusiness Mon 24-Jun-13 17:14:20

I think YABU. I don't like seeing juice etc in beakers/bottles but there is plenty I do that I am sure would cause done raised eyebrows.

DS3 has milk and water at home and we occasionally buy a bottle of squash that he goes have in a beaker but we rarely buy it. At soft play and a local woodland area where we pass a cafe he had got into the habit of associating with a juice carton which even his little friends, one of whom is from a very healthy living family all have.

It is none of our business really what others do, we all do things others might not agree with.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:14:39

I'm not smug, it's a job for me and I take pride in putting effort into my work, that's all! And trust me on the hobbies, no time for any more! Guess its easier when I leave the children and go home for the night/weekend!

Many people find its odd that's what I drink but as I said, tea/coffee just isn't my thing.

Maybe I've just been lucky with the children I've nannied for.

LittleMissGerardButlerfan Mon 24-Jun-13 17:14:57

Because my son won't drink milk or water and he only has one kidney so I give him fruit juice and squash as I am more bothered that he drinks enough.

Though I don't have to justify myself to anyone, and I don't really care what anyone thinks!

I'm glad my Childminder wasn't as judgey as you are hmm confused

noisytoys Mon 24-Jun-13 17:15:22

I would have more of a problem with you drinking squash in front of DCs and not allowing them to have it. If its water/milk for one then its water/milk for all. Remove the temptation.

ShatnersBassoon Mon 24-Jun-13 17:15:53

What's confusing? Some children are given drinks other than milk or water because they like the taste and the parents are happy to provide those. That's all there is to know.

littlemisssarcastic Mon 24-Jun-13 17:16:14

Why do you drink squash OP?
Children probably drink it for the same reasons.

I can't see why you're confused.

maternitart Mon 24-Jun-13 17:16:18

Because some kids WILL NOT drink water or milk. Is that not obvious?

This makes sense... But if they never get juice/squash, what would happen - surely they will drink water if they're thirsty?

Actually curious about this as my DS is too young to be in the sippy cup squash brigade.

absentmindeddooooodles Mon 24-Jun-13 17:16:20

Nothing wrong with a bit of juice. My ds 2.3 has a cup when he wants one. He will still drink water and milk, and I'm picky ( most of the time) with the juice I do give him. So not too packed full of rubbish. Saying that if we go out for a meal he can have a fruit shoot. His teeth and health are great. I see what you mean with fizzy though. That's a no go for me. He's had a taste of lemonade at a party and a little bit of soda water but that's it. No need till they are older I guess.

pigletmania Mon 24-Jun-13 17:18:15

Op you would have a heart attack at the documentary featuring a 1 year old drinking coke. What if one of your charges would not drink water r milk, and just drank squash would you deny them fluid for the sake of your principles. If that so if I were the parent I would be looking for anther cm with a more relaxed outlook

LittleMiss panic not, OP is a nanny not a childminder. TFFT.

LongWordsBotherMe Mon 24-Jun-13 17:19:28

Because for a long time watered down apple juice was the only fruit I could get into my eldest who has asd. He still only eats fruit and drinks water at school and refuses at home.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Mon 24-Jun-13 17:19:55

Goodness, do you not think of what a terrible example you set as an 'avid squash drinker'? sad shock

You know you could develop diabetes, and you will likely damage your teeth? shock

Is this really the example you want to set to innocent children?shock sad

hmm

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:20:24

Drinking tea/coffee in front of a child but not giving it to them is no different than me with squash.

And yes, sometimes I judge (like anyone), but I was asking to see why people do it, that's all! If you don't consider it my business then don't tell me.

hardbeingme Mon 24-Jun-13 17:20:31

i switched to plain water from squash and whilst there was no moaning there was also barely any drinking, i decided fluid intake was more important and switched back after a couple of weeks.
Don't do fizzy and don't do pure fruit juice - i buy neither anyway.
Only bothers me when i see parents putting it in bottles - those i do feel are only for water or milk.

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Jun-13 17:21:28

why 'lucky'?

My DCs drank tea from a very early age (ie under 3). All seem to have survived the experiment into teen years.

Another reason why I am glad I had my DCs before the dictats came in.

ShatnersBassoon Mon 24-Jun-13 17:23:36

The answer is so obvious that the question doesn't need asking. You aren't really baffled by what you see are you? There really isn't a great deal to ponder.

rainbowfeet Mon 24-Jun-13 17:25:24

Someone here has pulled their judgey pants right up the crack of their arse!!!!

wink

pigletmania Mon 24-Jun-13 17:25:30

My dd 6 drinks squash, water and decaf tea and has done since she was 3, throw in a coke nowand again with the occasional happy meal. Just been to,the dentist her teeth are in tip top shape, and she is extremely fit and healthy

cupcake78 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:25:45

Blimey thats one hell of a judgement! I'd rather my child drink than not drink! He gets some of everything. It teaches him how to make good choices and about moderation. Banning things makes it more wanted and leads to trouble later on.

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Jun-13 17:26:02

Sorry, forgot to say why:

Because they liked all sorts of drinks. On the whole I think the fluid intake is more important than precisely what it is.

DCs also drank squash and fizzy drinks from a very early age. All drinks sugar free and caffeine free.

littlemisssarcastic Mon 24-Jun-13 17:26:07

Most children don't like tea or coffee unless it is very milky ime, so it's not the same really. Squash is generally marketed for children. It's sweet, brightly coloured and refreshing.
As another poster has pointed out, it's not as good for you as water or milk is, so why do you drink it avidly? What's the difference?

cantspel Mon 24-Jun-13 17:26:30

cos it is Juice not crack or a gram of charlie

mrsjay Mon 24-Jun-13 17:28:02

it isnt needed but it tastes nice and folk can brush their kids teeth tbh I live in a town where you would expect to see cola in bottles you hardly ever do. I can se a s a nanny you have to do your job and whatnot but parenting is different, I work with children I cant open a can of fizzy drink and give them some but their mums can if they want

HellonHeels Mon 24-Jun-13 17:28:39

Squash is damaging to teeth because it bathes them in acidic liquid. This is true of sugary and sugar free squashes. Drinking a lot of squash or other acidic drinks erodes the enamel on the teeth, regardless of overall dental hygiene.

sarahtigh Mon 24-Jun-13 17:29:04

because some children just do not like milk and/or water, personally i do not eat drink things i really do not like so why should a child.

OP you drink squash because you do not like tea/ coffee toddler drinks squash because he/she does not like water same difference smile

my DD is 3 she will drink milk but not water, when it is hot, milk does not quench thirst and she can't have 2 pints of milk a day so she has no sugar diluting juice or watered down fruit juice

I am a dentist and I have tried everything including giving nothing to drink all day except water, to be honest she would rather dehydrate than drink water, she is not however allowed fizzy juice except maybe at a party when she can eat and drink what she likes

the gross decay I see is not due to the odd fruit shoot /glass of squash but to loads of fizzy juice sipped slowly all day and packets ( not 2-3 individual sweets) of sweets daily

milk has a natural sugar lactose, however lactose is less likely to cause holes in teeth than glucose/sucrose, it has some sugar it is not packed full of sugar

LittleMissGerardButlerfan Mon 24-Jun-13 17:30:05

I presume you don't have your own children OP?

I too was Judgey until I had my own children grin

Oh how I learnt!

RainbowSpiral Mon 24-Jun-13 17:31:02

Actually my son is ten now and he has always drunk much less if only offered water. I think he drinks too little then. When we go abroad the rest of the family are glugging back the mineral water and he is not. Offer him squash and he will drink healthily. Obviously I did offer just water when he gave up bottles, but he was not a water baby.

littlemonkeychops Mon 24-Jun-13 17:32:16

I'm with you OP, you can't miss what you've never had, DD1 is 2.3 and had never had squash so how can she miss it? Don't see the need to introduce it, once she's older and more aware i won't stop her having it but there's no need.

usualsuspect Mon 24-Jun-13 17:32:58

Quick frankly op, I don't give a toss what you think.

You worry about your DCs and I will worry about mine.

YoniRanger Mon 24-Jun-13 17:36:58

Is the odd carton of fruit juice or watered down whole juice bad then?

I cannot for the life of me think how.

KitCat26 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:38:16

DD1 won't drink squash or milk, only water.
DD2 will drink squash or milk, no water.

So long as they drink something, I'm not too worried.

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Jun-13 17:39:56

Quite honestly, when they hit teenage there are a lot better things to worry about than whether or not they had their first taste of squash/fizzy drinks/fruitshoots at the age of 2.

Not giving them this drink or that at the age of 2 will not mean that they turn down vodka at their first teenage party.

Three of my dc will happily drink water, but my eldest hated it as a child, and detests it now. I tried so hard to get her to drink it but she would go without rather than drink it. I've now learned from my mistakes and pick my battles with the dc. With DC1 it isn't worth it.

I also think you are hugely hypocritical to be guzzling squash in front of them yet condemning it. When dc1 was younger and I was one of the "squash is evil" clan I drank nothing but water in front of her. Then I chilled out.

Dackyduddles Mon 24-Jun-13 17:41:24

Oh yours drink plain milk and water?

Mine drink organic milk from a locally sourced farm and they love Evian! Pronounced the French way of course.

I'm such a lucky mummy!

(Ffs)

*Hated it as a baby/toddler and does now. She's only 11 (nearly) smile

I do hope when you actually grow up and have children they will only drink vodka!!!

MatersMate Mon 24-Jun-13 17:43:24

Is 'confused' the new word for 'I think people who do XYZ are twats?'

Keep reading threads where the OP is smugly 'confused'

It's getting on my tits, and there aint a lot of room left today.

"tea/coffee in front of a child but not giving it to them is no different than me with squash"

Yes it is. It's full of caffeine. If you drink caffeine free, there is no reason a child couldn't have that.

Sugar is a normal part of a diet, in moderation. Caffeine is not well it is in mine I live for coffee

usualsuspect Mon 24-Jun-13 17:46:39

There are some fucking odd posters on MN just lately

I know Maters, confused? Hardly. Different to what I do, so I smugly disapprove of it? That's more like it.

IRCL Mon 24-Jun-13 17:49:19

My daughter drinks milk and juice. She is incredibly stubborn. I would rather her have fluids than for her to become dehydrated.

Plus it's juice not vodka.

Not sure why you're confused really...

ShatnersBassoon Mon 24-Jun-13 17:50:26

Spot on, MatersMate. I liked the good old-fashioned confused, not the new passive aggressive sort grin

my eldest ds has an occasional bottle of beer with his dad do I win the prize? smile

oh and pretending you are confused when really you just want to judge is a bit obvious op.

MonstersDontCry Mon 24-Jun-13 17:53:13

I agree with the poster who said 'cant miss what they've never had.'

Surely if you don't give squash in the first place they won't know that they like it? I genuinely don't understand.

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 17:56:00

Why does it have to be necessary in order for parents to give it to their children? confused

Humans can survive on a small amount of plain food and water

All other food and drink will be unnecessary, but we still enjoy it don't we?

McNewPants2013 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:58:17

It's not the first choice by many parents, but when your child has not drank in over 24 hours you will try any thing.

Monsters, my daughter ended up with a bad kidney infection at 20 months because she wasn't drinking enough. She was very premature at birth so still drinking a lot of high fat formula until close to then but from about 18 months she was having less and less of it. She would not drink water, what is there to not understand? The paediatrician told me to just give her squash and obviously thought I was an idiot

Luckily I didn't have that problem with my other 3.

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 17:58:26

Surely if you don't give squash in the first place they won't know that they like it? I genuinely don't understand.

Unless they're blind, have never seen an advert, and never allowed out of the house to mix with other people, they're going to know of its existence and probably want to try it.

magentastardust Mon 24-Jun-13 18:00:39

Ds1-very constipated as baby/toddler -hardly drink much water and hated taste and texture of cows milk. Health visitor/docs advised to do what I could to get him to drink more fluids. Therefore we ended up with heavily diluted squash and sadly even now he is older trying to get him to drink just water is difficult.

Dd1- Quite happily drink water and enjoys a glass of milk. Does sometimes ask for squash as her brother drinks it but will easily be encouraged to have water or milk instead .

Dd2- (toddler just now) unfortunately doesn't like the taste of milk and again the texture-just spits it out and I have tried on several occasions to get her to drink it. Will drink just plain water but reluctantly.

Someone asked what would happen if they didn't have a choice-both my DC who don't like Milk and won't really drink water have both gone to childminders and nursery/playgroup where they are only offered milk or water (understandably). Both will reluctantly have water but drink very little of it. Fine for a couple of hours at playgroup but have to make sure they have plenty before and after a day at the childminders as I know they will only have had a few sips through out the day.

God, yes, squash over infection any bloody day. She dropped from 18 lbs to 15 lbs in a week (remember she was 20 months, so tiny anyway for her age!).

I wish I could go back and boot myself up the arse.

It's just bloody squash, and it's nice. So there.

jacks365 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:01:57

True if you never give squash they won't know they like it but that doesn't translate to they will drink water. Dd4 doesn't like water so refuses to drink it which is not good for her healthwise, how hungry would you have to be to eat something you really dislike.

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 18:03:35

I can justify drinking tea, coffee, alcohol in front of a DC while they have milk or water- I can't justify drinking squash, fizzy or juice while they have water. If I did that all that it teaches them is that as soon as they are older they can and that it is more desirable- not a message I want to give. Much better to have all in moderation.

McNewPants2013 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:03:40

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exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 18:04:44

If I want them to drink water I drink water too- very easy because I drink it all the time.

Neither of my kids have water or milk. Cuz it tastes shit.

I like wine. And coke. And squash.

So my kids have it too. Except the wine, obvs. That would be weird.

But my family are just fine and dandy, thanks.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:06:26

I do disapprove of it in general, but then I do things which other carers of children would disapprove of, I'm in no doubt. None of us are anywhere close to perfect, whatever that is.

The parents I work for never give either child anything other than milk or water unless its a special occasion, so obviously I follow suite. There's other rules I disagree with but follow of course, they're their children. But is is one I happen to agree with.

No one has to agree with me, it doesn't really matter, interesting that no one is quoting 'benefits of vitamin C' which is what adverts would have us believe is a reason to drink it!

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 18:06:45

I never understood why parents thought juice superior to squash- I was always convinced it was better to have weakly flavoured water. Lots of juice is bad for anyone.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:08:37

I was told from some dentist friends of mine that watered down juice is better for teeth than squash, and also if you're having it to have it with a meal and drink it as fast as possible so it doesn't sit on the teeth!

QueenMaeve Mon 24-Jun-13 18:09:23

Because they have older siblings who take other drinks and they want the same. I too OP only gave my pfb water or milk, he didnt know what juice was, or even sweets. 5dc later my youngest has had it all

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:09:26

I totally agree exotic, all things in moderation.

I often wonder what today's children will think of their parents when they look back on their childhoods.

In England alone, over 60% of the population are overweight/obese.

So these children will twig soon enough that their parents are over indulging themselves regularly...while the kids get water and bread sticks.

I'm with the OP, in that I also drink lots of squash and no tea/ coffee. I don't like the taste. When I had my first DC, I started off with water and milk, but by the time he was ?? Certainly long before he started school, he was very clear that he didn't like water. When you then have younger children it is even harder to stick to water and milk only, if their older siblings are having alternatives. As a nanny/ parent to only young children, it would be fairly easy to enforce a rule, but it really doesn't last and it really isn't all that important either.

BabyHaribo Mon 24-Jun-13 18:10:48

Why do you not drink water? Why squash?

Because you prefer it??? Maybe some kids do too.

It's the only way some children will drink anything more than a few sips and the effect on teeth is nothing like as bad as the potential effects of dehydration.

YABU

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:11:01

None of mine were ever offered anything other than water or milk but that's all I drink at home.

But each to there own

Shall we open the can of worms that is sugar free squash packed with lots of yummy aspartame? wink

GrimmaTheNome Mon 24-Jun-13 18:11:39

If you've got a child who won't drink milk, and doesn't drink enough water and so has constipation/leaking and isn't dry at night because their bladder isn't big enough, you'll give them copious quantities of sugar free squash because the nurse has told you how much they need to drinl. (the only rule is not blackcurranty ones near bed time).

I'm confused by anyone who would question what other parents do to hydrate their children.

2rebecca Mon 24-Jun-13 18:12:21

I don't see the problem with fruit juice, my kids disliked milk once over about 2. I hate neat milk so wasn't surprised. Drinking another animal's milk isn't normal.

OP, I think that the majority of dentists will warn against having more than one small glass of fruit juice a day, and even that is not great for your teeth. I use sugar free, which I have mixed feelings about, but my DD1 is diabetic

GrimmaTheNome Mon 24-Jun-13 18:12:31

>Shall we open the can of worms that is sugar free squash packed with lots of yummy aspartame?

why go there, when you can get plenty nowadays without aspartame

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:13:18

Are they organic, free range worms that lived a life of joy and frivolity Headfirst?

Startail Mon 24-Jun-13 18:13:28

Because my eternally BFing DD2 won't drink milk or water, she wouldn't at 12 months and she won't at 12 years.

MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 24-Jun-13 18:13:43

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Can you? I haven't bought sugar free squash for ages smile

I thought there were mixed feeling on children having any sort of sweetener.

Not that I have a problem with either type! It;s still just squash.

insanityscratching Mon 24-Jun-13 18:15:04

My dd aged 10 will only drink water or milk. She has never drunk juice, squash or fizzy pop, It can be a bit of a pain tbh because sometimes at parties or at the cinema when water or milk isn't always on offer and I don't always remember her water bottle.
Dd has been offered numerous alternatives but won't try them. There's nothing I have done to make her like this so I assume that the children who don't drink water or milk isn't down to their parents either.
Oh she's never eaten sweets either but I don't mind that so much as she gives them to me instead grin

^^that wot malcolm said

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:15:27

MTM!!! grin

Spot on as always

Beatrixpotty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:15:45

Mine have water or milk at home,I don't buy squash or juice.
They have just had to get used to it,that's what there is at nursery and school,plus I couldn't stand cleaning up any more sticky mess.
But when out or at play groups they have diet coke,fruit shoots,squash or whatever there is available.
Everything in moderation.

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:16:40

"Confused" eh?

I think not.

No Worra, they are the worm equivalent of battery hens, living a miserable life with no joy shock

Shall I get my coat?

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:17:06

I had to read your post twice btw Startail

I thought you were saying you're still breast feeding your 12yr old because she won't drink milk or water grin

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:17:33

Ha! I don't know anything about all the different 'sugar free vs whatever' arguments, I'm not sure one is even any better than another!

We talk a lot about things in moderation, which is partly why it's not banned. As I said, they never ask for it and do have it at parties.

Good points on me drinking it encouraging them to think that it's something to drink all the time when you're an adult though, I'll have a think about that- perhaps make a point of drinking more water when I'm around them.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

smile worra

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 18:18:45

Battery worms sad

Yes you can get your coat after I've rifled through the pockets

malcolm, I nearly spat my coffee evian at the screen then grin

arethereanyleftatall Mon 24-Jun-13 18:18:50

Finding it very odd that people judge/notice what other children drink.
Not that I need to justify but..I tried for maybe 6 months to give my 1 year old only water. She must have had about 3 sips a day max. Then I took the bizarre decision that I didn't want her to get dehydrated, so I gave her very weak Ribena. She now drinks maybe a litre of water a day with a bit of squash in. better imo.

adverbial Mon 24-Jun-13 18:19:22

Yes, that is confusing. I thought the sugar free was to be avoided, full 'proper' or natural sugar being better.

Yonihadtoask Mon 24-Jun-13 18:19:22

meh..

My DS and DSSs are older -so they can make up their own minds what they want to drink.

However I buy sugar free squash in, no fizzy pop. So, they can drink the squash, or they can have water. DS tends to have 50/50. DSS has squash sometimes, and cup of tea at others.

Now and again we all have a glass of wine too.

They all have perfect teeth. I grew up on squash - fizzy drinks for a very occasional treat - my teeth are fine.

You'll only find the stash of fruit shoots I keep in them to satisy my children's demands wink

Yonihadtoask Mon 24-Jun-13 18:20:33

To be honest I would rather they drank squash and water - rather the an manky cows' milk - with its antibiotics and pus grin

I hate milk.

Ooh, Ribena, I've not had that for ages. I used to like it with hot water on cold days.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:22:06

As I say, I don't think of myself as 'smug' I've not worked hard getting them to drink certain things to feel smug about. It's my job, which I take very seriously and had noticed it seemed more normal for others to give their children juice/squash than I have ever done with children I've cared for.

HeadFairy Mon 24-Jun-13 18:22:25

I think having a rigid rule for children's diet is a recipe (pun intended) for disaster to be honest... If you make something "special" you risk making it forbidden fruit. I grew up with a very rigidly enforced "healthy diet", no treats sweets or similar except on special occasions. I grew up thinking these things were something special and when I grew up and had control of my own finances I developed a terrible diet based pretty much on junk food I thought of as being "special". I have struggled with weight issues all my life as a result.

I don't ban anything from my children's diet. I reinforce the importance of balance instead.

Now how's that for smug? grin

xTillyx Mon 24-Jun-13 18:22:41

DD will only have milk on cereal but only takes a water bottle to school. At home if she's thirsty she has juice. If you clean their teeth well I don't see the problem.

DD hates fizzy drinks, which is a pain as they're usualy refillable at a lot of places we go to eat wink

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:23:21

Has anyone ever had raw milk? What does it taste like? I've never fancied it but perhaps I'm missing out...

GrimmaTheNome Mon 24-Jun-13 18:26:36

> I thought the sugar free was to be avoided, full 'proper' or natural sugar being better.

depends what worries you I suppose.
Now DD has a brace, they give you clear advice so that you don't end up with discolouration - sure, water is best and milk is OK, but otherwise sugar-free squash. Juice isn't too good and anything fizzy - even sparkling water, which surprised me - is a no-no.

I grew up next to a farm from a family of farmers and have drunk milk fresh from the udder its lush smile

I'll hold my hands up and admit that I judged the mother who used to give her baby daughter (less than 1 year old) "full fat" coke, the real deal, in her bottle; even after the older daughter had 10 baby teeth removed by the dentist. Even then, she blamed the rotten teeth on medicine [sceptical]! Hmm, not convinced!

GrimmaTheNome Mon 24-Jun-13 18:28:49

>Has anyone ever had raw milk?
yes, quite a lot of farmers with brucellosis have, according to my FIL who worked for the agricultural advice service - pasteurisation is done for good reason.

peeriebear Mon 24-Jun-13 18:28:56

I grew up on cheap sugary squash and a Penguin or Yoyo in my lunchbox every day. I don't have a single filling and my teeth are all intact. <so smug I may suffocate>
My DDs don't like fizzy drinks but drink a fair amount of squash. They brush their teeth every night.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:30:37

A dentist friend of mine saw a child recently of about 10 years old who (he was told) was diagnosed with ADHD. The teeth were found to be pretty dire and the Mother asked if it would be anything to do with the 8 cans of Red Bull a day... hmm

Pancakeflipper Mon 24-Jun-13 18:32:41

Throwing into the fun thread .... My DS2 is dairy-free. And cannot have too much soya a day or bum explodes in all directions. His 'milk' of choice is oat milk. A glass of that on its own don't taste that good for him ( he is pre-school). Though it goes down great on cereal and for a milkshake.

Now milk shakes.... Bet they are on the bad-parenting-choice list.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:33:30

Wow! grimma I've never heard of that before but it sounds nasty! I've been to farms before where it's been advertised but I've never bought any. I guess all the cows there would be checked for the disease first (you would hope!)

MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 24-Jun-13 18:33:53

A dentist friend of mine saw a child recently of about 10 years old who (he was told) was diagnosed with ADHD. The teeth were found to be pretty dire and the Mother asked if it would be anything to do with the 8 cans of Red Bull a day...

Oh yeah. Dentist friend of yours eh? And you got the ADHD in. Was she perhaps a single mother? I bet she was on benefits wasn't she?

Dentist friend of yours my arse.

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 18:35:01

There seem to me to be too many people who can strictly control their child's diet and not their own.
Children do as you do and not as you say. Yes- you can make sure that they have just water and milk when little but I don't see the point if you have other cold drinks yourself. You are teaching them that your drinks are better and that is what they will have as soon as you can't control it all.
Drink lots of water yourself and they see it as normal.
Fizzy drinks don't suddenly become any better for you at 9yrs, 12yrs, 16yrs, 40 yrs etc!
You will get exactly the same hypocrisy if you give them a rice cake and eat a chocolate biscuit yourself- the loud and clear message is chocolate biscuits are nicer!

xTillyx Mon 24-Jun-13 18:35:39

Good God, I think the ADHD diagnosis was down to the Red Bull!

Your dentist friend talks loads about their clients don't they.

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MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 24-Jun-13 18:39:06

I really have got a dentist friend - a real one, you know, not an imaginary one like yours - and they NEVER talk about their patients. Like Doctors and other healthcare professionals.

ouryve Mon 24-Jun-13 18:40:28

Chocolate is more nutritious than rice cakes, anyhow, exotic!

Malcolm - I bet the child with ADHD arrived in their free car, too.

xTillyx Mon 24-Jun-13 18:40:37

I'm very gullable so I took it as face value, if it is true I'm sorry but I would have to tell someone too! And no I'm not judgey just shocked if I'm not being a gullable knob

^^wot Makcolm said again

tapdancingelephant Mon 24-Jun-13 18:42:19

I had a child who drank just water. It was a doddle.

THen I had another one who, once bf stopped, would not touch the stuff. At all. Ever. And was cow's milk intolerant.

So, what was I supposed to give dc2? Believe me I tried. Every cup/sippy cup/bottle/drink apparatus ever made has passed through my house.

At first I could manage it with diet, but this was not sustainable longterm. And not drinking is a major health issue.

So it became a question of finding which drink was acceptable. Anything at all was fine with me, so long as fluids were going in.

Pure juice it was, for a while (pineapple, in case anyone is interested), and yes, I was bothered about dental health.

It took me 3 years to be able to water down the juice. Even now, aged 10, dc2 will only drink watered down juice (at least now it is seriously watered down - about 1:10). dc1 has followed suit (did so a long time ago, mostly by swiping his sibling's drink!). As yet, dc3 is still on water and being bf. But I hold out little hope that once he can swipe his siblings' drinks that he will stay drinking just water - why would he when the older ones are drinking stuff that is much more interesting?

FWIW, fizzy, fruit shoots, anything even remotely favoured by most children is not touched by my older 2. Just watered down grape juice or pineapple juice.

there are worse things in life.

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:43:00

The woman with the ADHD child probably had a goat she could milk too.

I haven't got a dentist friend at all wink but I do genuinely know someone who's 3 yo DS was diagnosed with ADHD and he was always drinking red bull. She thought it was funny to see what he did after 2 cans! confused

missmapp Mon 24-Jun-13 18:44:14

DS2 only drinks milk and water ( his choice) , he is nearly 6 and the odd looks I get at parties/friends houses when he refuses all other drinks are far greater than when ds1 was drinking weak squash at 4/5 !

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:44:17

I went to university in Wales, and had a few friends studying dentistry there too. I saw them a couple of weekends ago. I'm not sure why this is difficult to believe. I had a few questions about children's teeth so I asked them. I've got no idea if the mother was on benefits or a single parent- I'm not sure why you're asking.

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:44:54

Course you don't love.

TwasBrillig Mon 24-Jun-13 18:45:09

Only milk and water at home here. Didn't really see the point introducing anything else.

I'm not strict though, they have squash at toddler group. I can't imagine why anyone would give a small child coke, never mind diet coke with all the rubbish that is in that, but that's my prejudices. I'm not slim so not at all perfect!

no I'm sure you don't....

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 18:47:39

Well I don't know why it's relevant, so no I don't.

IneedAyoniNickname Mon 24-Jun-13 18:49:25

When ds1 was small I was adamant that my pfb wouldn't have anything other than milk or water. My auntie (who has no children) said he didn't drink enough, and that I should give him squash to make him drink more. I was 99% certain he was fine, but that 1% niggled and I gave in and let him have squash. If anything he drank less! I checked with hv who said his fluid intake was fine.
Even now at nearly 9 he prefers water.

I do wonder why people give their children squash/juice without even trying them with water, but ultimately there are far more important things to worry about!

Ah, Wales!! That explains it then wink

and yes I'm Welsh, so I can say it

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:50:18
Mrsmorton Mon 24-Jun-13 18:50:50

I'm a dentist and I have a patient who drinks four litres of full fat coke. Every day. His teeth are fucked and he has massive insomnia. Quelle surprise.

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:51:06

That's a pile of poo ^^ up there by the way.

JoyMachine Mon 24-Jun-13 18:51:30

If you don't give children anything but water and milk, they just drink water and milk.

I don't drink cordial/squash, neither do my children.

LtEveDallas Mon 24-Jun-13 18:52:13

Because it is more important to get fluid into her than a specific fluid

Her teeth are great, her height/weight in perfect proportion, she is extremely healthy; fights off illnesses much easier than I do (and has only had 2 sick days in 4 years of school). She was a teeny tiny 3lb Premie but you wouldn't know it.

Oh and she wouldn't drink milk/formula as soon as she was weaned off me so the doc suggested smoothies that she drank with gusto. She's always been a water refuser, to the point of dehydration when we lived in Cyprus. The Cypriot Doc was furious and gave me (and the pre-school that said water only) a serious dressing down, so much so the pre-school changed its rules.

I don't care what you do with your children or your charges - but I hope I've given you a satisfactory explanation that will help with your 'confusion' about what I do with mine.

thanks for explaining salmo

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:53:18

grin

Ah but joymachine what about alcohol?? wink

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:53:57

It was a bit tiny hobnobs!

and no steam coming off it

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:55:22

I know.

I would like steam.

smile

JoyMachine, that's anecdotal evidence.

Just because that's how it worked for you, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

Three out of four of mine will happily drink water. One won't touch it. She's physically repulsed by it, and it took me a long time to adjust to that idea.

I guess that, by your logic, statistically 3 out of 4 children will drink water? wink

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 18:58:50

DS used to ask for water or milk at parties until he was older than about 7 yrs- nothing to do with me- he hated fizzy drinks.

When i say it took me a long time to adjust to the idea, I mean it's literally alien to me. I love water, drink loads of the stuff, it never occurred to me that someone would hate it so much.

It seems that this has never occurred to lot's of other people!

Exotic, my dc2 is like that. he will drink other stuff now he's older (9) but for years would drink Like 90% water, 10% milk (grudgingly).

thebody Mon 24-Jun-13 19:03:18

How are you so easily confused op? Grip please take one!

herethereandeverywhere Mon 24-Jun-13 19:04:41

DD2 is 15 months. I'm trying to give only water and milk and not give in to sweeter stuff. She drinks her milk from a bottle morning and night (whole other thread there!) and during the day she drinks nothing unless I give her another bottle of milk. She has had several incarnations of sippy cup and open cups under supervision. The water is either spilt on the floor or spat out. She gets constipated so I give her fruit purees. When I tried to reduce her milk she still drank nothing and also started to lose weight.

So OP, WWYD?

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 19:04:55

He didn't drink alcohol until he went to university, and not much then. He was about 20 before he drank coffee and even older before he managed tea.

LTEveDallas, my dd was born at 30 weeks, 2lb 6, and she has always refused water, even now at age 10, nearly 11! maybe something in it? (I don't mean in the water)

I'd love to know just how good tap water is for you. When I run my tap, the smell of chlorine actually makes me gag. I hide the taste with squash.

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 19:12:22

here if I was your nanny I'd probably suggest trying very slightly watered down milk in the day time, gradually building up the water percent and down the milk percent week by week and see how she gets on. Or try fruit juice watered down and gradually fade the juice out of that- whatever suits your family the best. You could also add water into the fruit purees. Hope that's helpful

MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 24-Jun-13 19:19:10

Wales??? Oh. My. God. Why didn't you say??
We could have avoided all this if only you'd said.

<<<wanders off flush with relief...wales....phew....well who'da guessed it.....wales huh.....unbelievable....>>>>

LtEveDallas Mon 24-Jun-13 19:28:19

Maybe Headfirst, maybe. DD will drink water now, but not by choice and only in the last year or so.

HeadFairy Mon 24-Jun-13 19:31:38

I have a dentist friend wink who says it doesn't really matter what they drink* so long as they use a straw, drink plenty of water alongside, brush their teeth twice a day, and try and finish each meal off with a piece of cheese and a glass of water (which my kids do).

* but I have a doctor friend wink who says don't drink sugar free stuff as it kids your body in to thinking it's had sugar, your body then releases insulin to deal with this sugar, eventually your body becomes used to that high level of insulin in your bloody so you have to eat more sugary things to "use" it up. Too much insulin is Not Good (though don't tell that to diabetics grin)

Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 19:33:41

I wonder what it is in cheese which makes it a good thing to end a meal with?

gettingeasiernow Mon 24-Jun-13 19:37:36

My son has still never drunk anything but plain still water, London tap water being his favourite. People think it's me being fussy but it's not. He's 11.

Hulababy Mon 24-Jun-13 19:37:50

My DD has never liked milk, once she was off breast milk and then formula. She has never liked cow's milk at all. FWIW neither have I.

DD did drink water and juice. She wasn't keen on a lot of plain water too much, but would drink it. I was happy with her having juice as well every so often. She didn't have fizzy pop til she was older but probably has squash on occasion.

She does have issues with her teeth but these have occurred since she first got teeth - no or very low enamel on a 5 or 6 of her teeth nearer the back. Have had several dentists, including those at the dental hospital, assure me nothing she would have had to drink has caused it. It would have occurred before she was even born. Her adult teeth do not appear to be affected.

DD is older at 11y now and is allowed all manner of drink (non alcohol obviously), hot or cold, and she is fine.

MrsBucketxx Mon 24-Jun-13 19:38:12

I would rather my dc drink very weak squash, its mostly water anyway, than refuse to drink anything at all.

you have been lucky with the dc you look after.

MrsBucketxx Mon 24-Jun-13 19:39:22

btw mine never have fizzy drinks coke or anything caffeinated.

HeadFairy Mon 24-Jun-13 19:40:22

Dunno Sarah but it neutralises the acid produced when you eat apparently. It's the reason why the French do pudding and then cheese after a meal unlike the British who do it the other way round.

pigletmania Mon 24-Jun-13 19:44:31

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Sarah1611 Mon 24-Jun-13 19:46:23

Ah headfairy that makes sense! Thanks.

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Jun-13 19:48:55

I have a dentist. She's not my friend, just my dentist and anyway she's a bit of a twat...

But left to her, no-one would eat or drink anything because everything's bad for your teeth hmm

She did a dying swan routine, when I mentioned my kids like the odd squirt of ketchup on their dinner.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 24-Jun-13 19:54:15

My dentist told me bread was too sugary to eat

xTillyx Mon 24-Jun-13 19:57:17

Well my Dentist who is horrible to me but lovely to DD said she can have sweets and sugary things as long as she drinks water afterwards and cleans her teeth when she gets in.

JerseySpud Mon 24-Jun-13 19:58:22

biscuit

frissonpink Mon 24-Jun-13 20:01:35

I agree with the OP! I heard a young mum saying to a 2ish year old,

What drink do you want, another fruit shoot or a coke?

I mean, come on, seriously?!

It's bull to say they don't like water imo. If you bring your babies up on water, then that's the taste they learn to enjoy - it quenches their thirst. They only know evil fruit shoots exist because you went ahead and bought the shit for them! grin

herethereandeverywhere Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:07

Thanks OP, that's actually really useful advice and I will try them.

Although 2 of your 3 suggestions involve juice/fruit puree which would appear to contradict your opening comment.....

MrsBucketxx Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:50

I beg to differ after ff feefing both of mine they refused plain water.

its better than nothing

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

stickortwist Mon 24-Jun-13 20:06:46

Meh.

My children drink squash , water , milk, hot chocolate, tea ,or fizzy stuff depending on what thry fancy and the occasion. They are 9, 6 and 3. The 3 yr old in particular likes a cup of tea on a cold day ( decaff before anyone calls social services).

They're happy. Im happy. We all have our own teeth.

ChaChaDigregorio Mon 24-Jun-13 20:07:37

Recently proven that drinking fruit juice every meal for one month will change your metabolism for life making your body far more likely to store fat - fizzy drinks & squash the same.

not preaching that im some kinda angel - still give dd juice etc cos its convenient but those to say 'I don't sweat the small stuff' is wrong, it ain't small stuff - it can seriously affect your future health.

FoundAChopinLizt Mon 24-Jun-13 20:11:13

YABU

in my opinion, they also need food on a regular basis, not just milk and water.

<<haven't read whole thread>>

LittleMissGerardButlerfan Mon 24-Jun-13 20:11:19

One thing I don't get is that you say you don't like tea or coffee and drink squash, I don't like tea or coffee or milk and drink squash so why should my children like stuff if I don't?

ParadiseChick Mon 24-Jun-13 20:12:00

Blah

ariane5 Mon 24-Jun-13 20:17:41

Dd1 only ever had milk or water up untill about age 5 and then she started having watered down pure juices. She is a big water drinker still.
Ds1 also loves water but has a lot of soya milk and neocate (sometimes with chocolate nesquik in which he loves).

Up untill december dd2 only drank water or soya milk but has now developed a huge liking for low sugar fruit shoots and I often let her have one.
Ds2 drinks water but has had the occasional sip of a fruit shoot that dd has left on the floor (he loved it! But I have not let him have one of his own yet he's only 14months!).

I really don't think it matters what dcs drink, personally I think fizzy drinks are awful but at a party I would allow dcs to have one if they wanted. As long as teeth are brushed properly I don't think it matters.

Because MIL insisted on giving DS1 squash instead of water when she looked after him so now he won't drink water. He's very stubborn & I'd much prefer he drank weak squash than nothing at all.

Doughnutmaestro Mon 24-Jun-13 20:31:00

My pfb only drinks spring water collected from the natural spring at the edge of the grounds, and fresh cows milk from our own organic cows.

Nah I jest, he actually drinks a beaker of chocolate milk with breakfast, watered down squash throughout the day and a bottle of milk at bedtime, he has the occasional cup of tea too.
He has fruit shoots as a treat but isn't allowed fizzy and always has sugar free.
He's perfectly fine and healthy.

I think it's unfair to judge other parents too harshly, nine times out of ten they are doing what they think is best.
Although going against my own statement I do have a problem with toddlers drinking coke, my bro used to open a can of full fat coke and tip it into a baby bottle each for my niece and nephew who were about 18mths and 3 ish, tet would wander round all day with a bottle of coke in their mouth a d bro could t figure out why they wouldn't sleep!

DH isn't prepared to set an example, for whatever reason, so if he drinks juice the child drinks juice. Obviously. I am a fucking paragon in comparison.

Salmotrutta Mon 24-Jun-13 20:37:33

pigletmania - the brown triangle was a (very tiny) pile of smiling poo.

Sorry to be so late in replying but I was on the phone! grin

<pretends to have a real life>

I'm a nanny...My 4yo charge will not drink cows milk...never has --stares at insane amount of sma tins that I'll do something with...someday--she is not fond ofof water at all...she disliked it as a baby and only drank it as a last resort...so she drinks weak squash or watered down juice...her sister and brother won't drink milk but will drink water but I (and their parents) also give them juice...they're all healthy with beautiful teeth and good eating habits

Oh and I take pride in my work, put an insane amount ofeffort in and I'm bloody good at it...giving them juice doesn't change that

I thought I would only give dd1 water or milk. Then she got badly constipated and I discovered that squash would cover up the taste of laxitives, and she drank more of it so her ongoing problems with constipation were less bad. It isn't my ideal, but I think it's best in our situation.

HSMMaCM Mon 24-Jun-13 20:55:27

I'd rather see a child drink squash than nothing, but in over a decade of Childcare with over 100 children, I have never yet met a child who won't drink water.

UniS Mon 24-Jun-13 21:03:14

Some water tastes better than other. I dislike the taste of tap water at my parents house and the in laws and will only drink squash or tea there. At home in a soft water area I will drink tap water.

DS aged 2 and 3 did not drink water in anything like the quantity he needed to to stay healthy but he would drink weak squash. Which do I prefer constipated dehydrated child or child who drinks squash?? ummm, not a difficult question.

DS is now aged 7 and has milk with breakfast, water during the day at school , squash after school and with dinner and understands that his body needs him to drink. But its a rare day that he tells me he is thirsty or asks for a drink.

EskSmith Mon 24-Jun-13 21:07:44

Tbh when my dd2 was hospitalised with impacted constipation and for the following 18 months of chronic constipation I would have given her beer if it had been guaranteed to get fluids into her.

All children are different and as others have said some children don't like milk (neither of my dd's do) or water. There are bigger battles to fight than occasional dilute squash drinking.

JazzDalek Mon 24-Jun-13 21:09:07

I think it's interesting that so many young children "don't like" something that is so utterly fundamental to survival. You don't see any other species "not liking" water. Makes me wonder if it's because we wean them circa age one, so still very much babies, from breastmilk or formula, and expect them to go from sweet milk to tasteless water or relatively (compared to bm / formula) tasteless cow's milk. Maybe if they continued getting most of their hydration for longer from baby milks, they'd naturally be more inclined to graduate to water at an age where they have more understanding. (DISCLAIMER: this is just me rambling and of course it is probably a load of guff grin )

Anyway, my two only get water or (limited) milk, unless they are ill, in which case they can have pure diluted fruit juice for extra vit C and easier hydration. It's not just teeth, it's the sugar hit as well; it doesn't just disappear once it leaves their mouths, and I have my own concerns about sugar intake. Sugar-free means artificial sweeteners and that's even worse IMO. So water it is in our house. I'm a water-drinker myself, and they see that, which does help. Oh, and I do allow them a cup of redbush tea now and again.

somewheresomehow Mon 24-Jun-13 21:34:59

and its got how much to do with u ?
bugger all thats how much

BlackeyedSusan Mon 24-Jun-13 21:54:49

dd will not drink cow milk. i drown her cereal with milk instead.

she never liked water, even when she had only had the option of formula, breast milk or water. spat straight out.

watered down squash has kept her kidneys healthy.

she would not take in enough liquid to be healthy if we relied on milk and water. it hs even been suggested by the clinic that she has squash at school instead of water as she is not getting enough fluid during the day.

ds on the other hand is a model child and will drink his milk and water quite happily.

hiddenhome Mon 24-Jun-13 21:56:32

My two have been raised on coke and redbull and it's never done either of them any harm.

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 22:07:09

I eat just about anything- there is only one thing I can't stand and that is milk- I even hate milky coffee and I hated it is a child- I still remember the horror of having to drink it in the infants- as soon as I had a choice I never drank it again. (I like it on cereal)

LtEveDallas Mon 24-Jun-13 22:15:48

Recently proven that drinking fruit juice every meal for one month will change your metabolism for life making your body far more likely to store fat - fizzy drinks & squash the same

Uhh, no. The study involved drinking orange juice instead of water at breakfast only.

Unfortunately there were also errors in the study that negated the findings (according to pubmed)

ouryve Mon 24-Jun-13 22:26:53

Our tap water tastes and smells vile. I actually keep bottled water to hand for when I can't drink it.

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Jun-13 22:38:16

Please, if posters are going to quote medical or dental 'facts' about squash/juice/fruitshoot consumption could they please cite their sources?

DD1 is threatening to tear up up Biology A level text books if I quote one more of these 'facts' at her.

MalcolmTuckersMum Mon 24-Jun-13 22:42:11

Same here ouryve - it tastes metallic and chemically at the same time -not a good mix.

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 24-Jun-13 22:44:59

mine drink coffee and have since they were about 2. So milk, water and coffee it is in our house. Oh and vodka, they both like a V&T

exoticfruits Mon 24-Jun-13 22:52:01

I only drink water that is chilled and filtered - I drink a lot of it but I wouldn't if it was straight from the tap.

thebody Mon 24-Jun-13 23:56:56

Who gives a fuck op really?

ChasingDogs Tue 25-Jun-13 00:24:02

This is the very first time I've felt moved to comment on a thread, yet simultaneously don't give a shit enough to read the entire thread grin

Milk = Grim! Gross! Yuck! Milk on cereal made me feel sick from about 4/5 years old, so good luck trying to get me to down a glass of the stuff at that age. No thanks.

Water = Often tastes funny from the tap. And does anyone else suffer the "cold tap" that is actually more like "the luke warm tap"? You have to run it forever to get nice, crisp, cold water from it. Even then it tastes a bit odd*. I'd happily down water from the yard tap or stream as a kid (but preferred Tizer, ta very muchly) but kitchen tap water is often grim.

Squash hides the grimness of tap water, and whatever they stick in it to make it safe to drink. Fresh stream water on mountains is yummy, and as water should be, until you walk another half mile up the hill and come across that there dead sheep in the stream. Which is why the funny tasting shit in tap water isn't really a bad thing. But should still be covered up with juice.

In other news OP, you need to develop a coffee/wine/beer habit. Then you won't be so horrified by kiddies supping on Robinsons' No Extra Sugar Orange Juice.


*And the hot tap is freezing too, unless you let it run for 5 mins or more. Fuck taps, they're a conspiracy.

exoticfruits Tue 25-Jun-13 07:10:59

I would never ask for water in a friends house- you can never tell who will give you a nice chilled, filtered glass and who will simply run the tap and it might not even be cold and could taste of chlorine. Better to choose juice and be safe.

harryhausen Tue 25-Jun-13 08:27:25

grinChasingdogs. I'm so with you on this.

Both my 2 dcs can't stand milk (to drink) and neither can I.

We all like water. We all like squash. My 8 yr old even likes the odd cup of tea. They like lemonade when out at a restaurant. They like a bit of fruit juice with their breakfast.

We all have no teeth problems. I'm 41 and have one filling. My dcs have none. We brush teeth morning and night and I have an issue with sweetie lollipops - but that's it.

I hate all the teeth 'facts' too. It gives me the jitters like when someone trots out that dummy's delay speech. Er, never here. I wish they had. Mine never shut upgrin

Lazyjaney Tue 25-Jun-13 08:29:32

"I think it's interesting that so many young children "don't like" something that is so utterly fundamental to survival. You don't see any other species "not liking" water"

They all hate it, but sadly have no opposable thumbs so can't open froot shoots.

LittleNoona Tue 25-Jun-13 08:32:04

As long as it's not that "no added sugar" crap mine can have it.

Fresh fruit juice, fizzy drinks and squash are drunk rarely.

She has water or tea/herbal tea

LittleNoona Tue 25-Jun-13 08:33:02

I have a friend though that thinks nothing of giving her 18month old coke in a bottle at 9.30 at night.

I think that's appalling shock

MatersMate Tue 25-Jun-13 09:47:43

noona that is appalling even I would hoik my pants at that one. One of the mum's at school gives he's cole for breakfast?! Just why? I hate the stuff anyway.

Emilythornesbff Tue 25-Jun-13 09:48:06

"confused"?
No.
Judgey?
Yes.

MatersMate Tue 25-Jun-13 09:48:20

Coke!

Emilythornesbff Tue 25-Jun-13 09:52:40

Sorry. I think that op reads as judgeyrather than confused.

mum23girlys Tue 25-Jun-13 10:09:24

My youngest dd 2.7 drinks very diluted squash. Drinks nothing else. Only has 1 kidney functioning fully and I'd rather she drank that than nothing at all and ended up with a season ticket to a&e. She also suffers chronic constipation due to her meds. She will take very small amounts of water but if I give her squash she'll drink enough to keep her healthy and hydrated.

Personally don't give a fig what anyone else has to say about it. My older dds both drank squash at the same age but by the time they got to 4 would choose water. They all have good teeth and can I add I grew up on Coca cola, Irn Bru and my mum always put 2 sugars in my tea and now at the age of 34 I still have no fillings.

Just wait till your mindees rebel and steal your squash and come in munching WHAM bars grin

Crowler Tue 25-Jun-13 10:12:49

I have never understood this myself, TBH. My kids drink only milk and water, I'm not judgy about it (nor did I start this thread!) but it's never been a hardship for me to not give my kids squash. Perhaps because I don't drink it - I do not understand it. It's vile.

My oldest is now starting to ask for soda because his friends are starting to drink it, but that's fairly easy to shut down with a simple "no". Obviously, most parents feel much more strongly about soda.

tapdancingelephant Tue 25-Jun-13 10:36:32

blimey there are some really smug posters on this thread. I hope that it doesn't come back and bite you on the arse one day.

all this 'if you don't ever give a child anything else, they will drink water' crap is just that - pure bullshit.

as I said before, I had a child who drank just water. it was piss easy - beaker of water alongside meals, and then when I finished bf a smooth transition to water only (cow's milk intolerance so no milk).

then along came dc2, who never touched water and was always repulsed by it, even at 6 months old in that beaker-alongside-the-meal way. of course, it didn't really matter then, as I was still bf, so fluids were going in. I bf for longer than I was planning to, as no other liquids were acceptable. eventually she self weaned anyway (at nearly 2), and still no other fluids were allowed to pass her lips.

for 6 months (seriously), not a drop of fluid passed her lips willingly, and we were concerned we were making a battleground out of it all. we had tried everything by this point - different cups, beakers, bottles. playing games with water (not keen), even lots of swimming (in our paddling pool so not chemical water) and long baths in the hope that she might end up drinking some. not a chance. we managed to stave off dehydration with lots of wet foods in the diet, but again, not sustainable long term.

so we offered other drinks. it was not a case of 'I bet she'll love pure juice' and giving it to her at 6 months old. even when we offered other drinks, it took a long while to find one acceptable to her. Eventually she was ok with chocolate rice milk and pineapple juice. and she drank about 50mls a day. yes, a DAY. it took us years ot even get her to an acceptable level of drinking, let alone start thinking about watering it down.

we too had pre-school and then school insisting it was water or nothing, and had to get our GP involved to state otherwise.

it was not us pandering to the whims of a slightly fussy baby. It was w a real issue.

maybe instead of all the self-satisfied "I did it this way, and my perfect children drink water only" posts, some of you might actually start thinking 'blimey, thank god I didn't have to go through that' because believe me, it was no picnic.

Damnautocorrect Tue 25-Jun-13 10:58:35

Yabu to wonder anything about anyone else's child.
You are judging on a 'picture'. It may be their child needs to drink plenty of liquid for kidney reasons and they just won't drink water. Or in my case my ds will not eat any fruit or veg but happily drink fruit juice and smoothies so that's what he has.

LtEveDallas Tue 25-Jun-13 11:01:43

maybe instead of all the self-satisfied "I did it this way, and my perfect children drink water only" posts, some of you might actually start thinking 'blimey, thank god I didn't have to go through that' because believe me, it was no picnic

Yes this 100%
Sorry you went through that too tapdancingelephant.

AmberSocks Tue 25-Jun-13 11:02:43

my older 3 all drink milk or fruit juice,2 of them will drink water but one really wont,and ive spent weeks offering him nothing but milk or water,all he drinks is milk.Dont really do squash,dont know why.

It doesnt bother me tbh,they have a varied diet and brush their teeth twice a day.

WallaceWindsock Tue 25-Jun-13 11:09:11

After being hospitalised with tonsilitis DD had HUGE issues with drinking. She refused EVERYTHING. I would frequently get to a point where she was dehydrating, going floppy and being rushed to OOH/A&E because she just refused to drink. One day randomly she picked up a cup of my squash and drank one sip. I cried with relief.

She now drinks squash by the bucket load but give her water and she will refuse until floppy. It isn't stubbornness, she is petrified. She will sob and shake and really freak out. She is still small, 2.5 and I'd rather go with it in the hope that as she gets older she will eventually try other things. You can be smug if you like OP, I will be quietly smug that I'm doing what I feel is best for my DD as opposed to what other people think is best.

MadeOfStarDust Tue 25-Jun-13 11:14:48

Mine have squash with breakfast and with their snack after school - they are 10 and 12 and in real life it is what most of the kids I know do....

They brush in the morning before breakfast and at night before bed and have lovely teeth.

(but we don't have fizzy drinks, high sugar yoghurt, high sugar cereal bars or dried fruits which are all really bad for teeth ...)

RacheyMo2 Tue 25-Jun-13 11:15:15

My ds has never really drunk water, he did as a baby but as he got older and started to walk he needed more burn wasn't interested. He'll guzzle a beaker of weak juice which doesn't bother me one bit! If we go anywhere for the day he will have a carton if kids juice or a fruit shoot! As people have already said, he cleans his teeth and its bit all the time so why worry? Everyone deserves a treat smile x

Fakebook Tue 25-Jun-13 11:17:18

I was like that with my pfb. Unfortunately, dc2 gets squash, fizzy drinks and juice whenever we drink it. I brush his 4 teeth with a muslin cloth and he's learning to brush himself every morning. It's all good. He also loves plain water and milk.

Latara Tue 25-Jun-13 11:17:46

I had squash every day as a child and coca-cola, tango or appletiser as a teenager.... I only have 2 fillings aged 36 doncha know smile

ButchCassidy Tue 25-Jun-13 11:19:13

I would say more rude and judgemental than confused.

YABU

LaQueen Tue 25-Jun-13 11:24:38

Because I really have never given a shit, what my DDs drink. So long as they're not main-lining full fat Coke, hard spirits or lighter fuel?

I encourage them to drink water, and they do...but I don't panic if they have a glass of lemonade. Life really is too short.

Their teeth are perfect. And, neither has had to see a doctor since they had their booster jabs at 3...ooh, must be nearly 7 years ago now?

frissonpink Tue 25-Jun-13 13:50:24

I think it's interesting that so many young children "don't like" something that is so utterly fundamental to survival. You don't see any other species "not liking" water. Makes me wonder if it's because we wean them circa age one, so still very much babies, from breastmilk or formula, and expect them to go from sweet milk to tasteless water or relatively (compared to bm / formula) tasteless cow's milk. Maybe if they continued getting most of their hydration for longer from baby milks, they'd naturally be more inclined to graduate to water at an age where they have more understanding. (DISCLAIMER: this is just me rambling and of course it is probably a load of guff )

No, You're completely right!!! Carry on rambling! grin

My toddler daily drinks squash because everyone else in the house does and he isn't thick. He was bf for over two years.

We managed to hide sweet drinks from DS1 for far longer blush

They both drink water every day too. I agree that it is a bad thing not to be able to drink just water - I can't unless it's hot (either the water or the weather).

MummytoMog Tue 25-Jun-13 14:19:06

Well, neither of my two will touch milk or water. They used to have cows milk in bottles, but once we got rid of bottles they never drank milk again. So dilute squash or dehydration appear to be my options. Or cold, weak, sweet tea. That goes down very well after they've been poorly.

I do worry that they don't get enough calcium. I don't worry that squash is bad for them. I also love squash, as it happens.

MummytoMog Tue 25-Jun-13 14:20:48

Oh and DD had baby/toddler milk until we weaned DS off it, so she must have been over three. Still wouldn't drink water.

nethunsreject Tue 25-Jun-13 14:21:01

Yabu op.

Is this really worth starting a thread about?!?

Miamiami Tue 25-Jun-13 14:29:07

frissonpink I agree with what you say, especially your post upthread about parents buying the crap drinks.
Apart from the exceptional cases as detailed by other posters, there is no need to introduce anything but milk and water.
Everywhere I look its always damn fruitshoots shock
Being given so much rubbish to drink its no wonder so many kids are badly behaved these days grin

ElenorRigby Tue 25-Jun-13 14:40:16

DSD was given sugary drinks from a young age and so developed a taste for them and prefers sugary drinks. DSD had 9 teeth taken out under anaesthetise aged 6.

With DD I was walking down the isle in Tesco's looking at the juice they were marketing for babies and just thought why the hell do babies need juice of any type and that historically juice was never until v recently given to babies or children.

I gave DD milk and water. Now she wont have juice under any circumstances. People look confused when she refuses and try to push it on her lol.
Last check up unlike DSD the dentist said her teeth were perfect.
She's nearly 6 btw.

Also the empty calories in juice really arnt good and are contributing to obesity epidemic. Watch this..
Sugar: The Bitter Truth

or read this
Pure, White And Deadly: How sugar is killing us and what we can do to stop it

We don't have juice or any type in the house any more.

Crowler Tue 25-Jun-13 14:45:19

It's quite possible to not give your kids squash AND not be smug.

Kids tend to pick up their bad habits from their parents. If you don't drink squash, chances are your kids won't drink squash.

Squash may not be a Bad Habit, but there is no doubt that turning to water when thirsty is a good habit.

My Bad Habit is diet coke. It was clear to me from the outset that I would never allow my kids to have this so it's been easy. If my kids as toddlers had refused water, I would have probably assumed that they were sufficiently hydrated and didn't need it.

Summerblaze Tue 25-Jun-13 15:03:16

Really????? Is this all you have to worry about. Get a life, OP.

stopgap Tue 25-Jun-13 15:47:22

I have tried everything to get my toddler son to try cow's milk, but no way will he drink anything other than water. I can disguise a runny "fake" milk, such as hemp or rice, in a smoothie, but I suspect a lot of people give their kids squash because, like my milk-refuser, they have water-refusers on their hands.

MadeOfStarDust Wed 26-Jun-13 08:18:47

I do feel amused though, when younger - my girls had their squash and you'd see the faces of some smug mums saying "Oh mine only drinks water, squash is so bad for them" whilst stuffing down a pack of raisins or petit filous! sugar is sugar...

Crowler Wed 26-Jun-13 09:38:48

I agree, MadeOfStarDust, but you can't compare raisins to petit filous.

Sugar is sugar. No reason to be pious if your kid eats it instead of drinks it. But, I think you'll find that a lot of people object specifically to drinking it because as the kid becomes an adults, s/he will have adopted a habit of drinking empty calories that the body does not really "register".

Most people who eat a doughnut, for example, feel fairly naughty and their sweet tooth may well be sated for several hours or even the day. Drinking squash all day long will exceed the calories and sugar and that person may not even include it on their mental tally of what they've consumed.

MadeOfStarDust Wed 26-Jun-13 11:52:17

most people don't drink squash all day long though - they have a tumbler with breakfast and another after school with a snack - or that is my experience anyhow.

Whereas I watch toddlers snack on those vile little boxes of raisins all day long - and wonder why they need fillings age 5....

"but she never has sweets or fizzy drinks" was one of the favourite sayings at the dentist I used to work at... no, but "healthy" dried fruit, "healthy" cereal bars and sugar loaded toddler yoghurt do just as much damage to teeth and pancreas - the body does not differentiate......

happyyonisleepyyoni Wed 26-Jun-13 11:59:39

Who are these people who have the time or inclination to judge other people's parenting? Your head won't drop off from drinking squash y'know.

By the way, aspartame is NOT carcinogenic <runs>

MadeOfStarDust Wed 26-Jun-13 12:02:21

hahahahaha happy..... not rising......

Lottapianos Wed 26-Jun-13 12:33:23

'Really????? Is this all you have to worry about. Get a life, OP'

Oh good grief, there's always one. Why not start your own thread about something Big and Important instead of wasting time writing pointless sneery comments on other people's threads?

'Who are these people who have the time or inclination to judge other people's parenting?'

Who are these people who have time and inclination to post on MN despite being so very busy and discinclined?! And 'judging' is just using your judgement, something we all do all the time (I hope)

Crowler Wed 26-Jun-13 12:36:51

Again, why are you comparing the naturally occurring fruit sugar in dried fruit to the refined sugar added to fake yogurt? I can agree it's probably the same to your teeth (that seems reasonable) but it's absolutely not the same for your body!

Raisins are, as snacks go, a fairly good one (not perfect). They have quite a lot of anti-oxidants. I suppose I am a bit more laid back about teeth because we haven't had problems and I assume they will become gooey and that's why you brush.

But, we digress. I'm possibly hyper-vigilant about squash because, as stated upstream - I have a ridiculous diet coke addiction and it has ruined me for water. I really can't drink water with food, I gulp it down when I am thirsty (I do get 8 glasses a day). I can drink sparkling water with my food, but I overwhelmingly prefer diet coke. Your taste buds will absolutely adapt to sweet drinks and then water just seems wrong. If you are used to soda, like I am (diet coke) - then water feels heavy and wrong.

MrsMook Wed 26-Jun-13 12:54:28

I dislike tea and coffee and find water heavy on my stomach and find squash easier and more refreshing to drink. I buy high juice with nothing articifial in it, and have it very weak so the sugar content is fairly low. DS1 wants to drink what I am drinking. I ended up faking raspberry leaf tea with blackcurrant at the end of pregnancy to avoid tantrums!

He will drink water, but in small amounts.
He doesn't drink milk because he's allergic to it.
He doesn't have juice regularly because it gives him the runs.
He only has fizzy drinks when it's too inconvenient to decline them. I water them down if I can. This is only a few times a year.

I'm not concerned about him and sugar. His allergies stop him eating chocolate, cakes and many sweets, so his sugar intake is fairly low. He's not a big fruit fan and favours vegetables. He drinks from an open cup and doesn't constantly graze.

I could cut his squash, but that would leave me drinking only water too, and selfishly that doesn't suit me. Or I could drink in secret.

Is that sufficient justification?

chrome100 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:58:53

At my primary school water was the only thing on offer. I refused to drink it. As a result I remember coming home most days so dehydrated my mouth was literally stuck together. I think if kids don't like water there is nothing wrong with juice.

MrBloomsMarrow Wed 26-Jun-13 13:51:33

DS2 (5) will only drink Malibu and coke. Hasn't done him any harm.

Crowler Wed 26-Jun-13 13:58:14

Have you tried watering it down with club soda, MrBlooms?

MrBloomsMarrow Wed 26-Jun-13 14:09:58

No, haven't tried that. DH says the coke is bad for his teeth -maybe I should switch to gin & tonic? Is slimline better or is it bad because of the Aspartame? It's so hard being a parent.

Crowler Wed 26-Jun-13 14:13:54

Personally I would not do slimline for kids because of the aspartame.

Have you ever offered him a mojito? They're quite natural. Just swap the brown sugar for stevia, that's what we do.

Sirzy Wed 26-Jun-13 14:16:36

Strangely when DS was in hospital with dehydration the staff didnt care what he drank just that he did, we had every juice going there to try to persuade him!

He has refused all milk since he was 18 months old, he has never liked water. I am not getting into a battle of wills with him over it he has never had pop but does have very dilute squash.

Strangely at 3.5 he has now decided he does like water (when it suits him) so he is starting to drink it now.

MrBloomsMarrow Wed 26-Jun-13 14:33:57

Mmm, not sure about cocktails, might work out a bit pricey although we've saved a fair bit by persuading DD to switch from Stella to Kestrel Super.

Crowler Wed 26-Jun-13 14:34:45

If you really love him, you'll spend the money.

tedmundo Wed 26-Jun-13 14:41:19

Yabu.

Water tastes grim, whereas Waitrose Orange High Juice tastes like liquid gold.

Also, I had a food refuser <waves to fellow sufferers> and I would have let him eat a family battenburg washed down with a pint of juice if it meant getting some calories into him.

Crickey, between this thread and the one where I discover that me telling the DCs they are clever has possibly damaged them for life, I am starting to suspect I may need to hand back my Mummy badge.

I suspect OP that the best way to view other people's juice drinking activities is that we are all Doing Our Best.

oranges Wed 26-Jun-13 14:43:12

This idea that its okay to skip sports day because of work, but not tiredness. Tiredness is part of work. After exertion, everybody needs to be able to rest to start work again. If not, they collapse. You can't just fill up rest time with other activities and not expect it to impact on work pretty quickly.

oranges Wed 26-Jun-13 14:43:35

oops, wrong thread!

miemohrs Wed 26-Jun-13 14:48:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NoobyNoob Wed 26-Jun-13 16:22:11

ted totally agree with you. I too had a non eater and anything I could get down him calorie and sugar wise was good enough for me

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