to think that dog owners shouldnt assume that everyone else is a dog lover?

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when I bump into you in the park I don't want to have a soggy nose repeatedly pushed into my crotch.
when I come to your house for a cuppa I would prefer it if your doggy didn't keep trying to hump my leg.
and when im 17 weeks preggers I don't want a bloody great german shepherd jumping up at me pawing at me with his claws as if hes trying to bury a bone in me!
don't get me wrong,i like dogs and I think anyone who mistreats or neglects them should be hung,drawn and quartered but aibu to think that when this sort of behaviour is displayed said fluffball should be pulled of instead of doting owner giggling and rolling eyes at me in an isn't he adorable kind of fashion?

Foxred10 Fri 21-Jun-13 06:17:55

Yanbu. Other people's dogs are like other people's kids - pleasant if well mannered, insufferable if not wink

exactly.
doting mums are the same.
'isn't young cedric wonderful?' whilst young cedric is outside tying firecrackers to next doors cat!

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 06:32:07

If you're in the dog's own home, tough IMO.

ok.so If I were to have a friend round and my son repeatedly hit them round the head with a plastic hammer I could just say the same thing?

Grockle Fri 21-Jun-13 07:03:21

Yanbu... Lots of dog owners think its ok to let their mutt bound up to anyone & insist that it's ok because 'he's just being friendly.'

I am a dog owner. I always ask visitors if they are ok with dogs. If they aren't, the dog goes in the garden or kitchen til the visitor is ok or leaves (unless it is an unwelcome visitor in which case, the dog stays near me wink)

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 07:07:26

I won't put my dog out of its home for a visitor. Visitors know we have one (sometimes more than one) and can choose to visit or not.

I get that not all people like or can be around dogs, that's why I give them a choice. I also ensure my dog(s) are well trained and unable to bound up to strangers etc, although I do get pissed off when strangers shout "keep you dog away from me" when she is nowhere near them and not interested in them in the slightest confused

SkinnybitchWannabe Fri 21-Jun-13 07:14:58

YANBU Op. I agree

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 07:15:40

"If you're in the dog's own home, tough IMO."

I disagree. If I had invited someone to my house, and they were uncomfortable with my pet I would do something about it.

It is called good manners

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 07:18:59

I don't mind dogs and I adore cats, but I still get that some people don't like them. How difficult is it to put your pet into another room if you have a visitor who feels uncomfortable?

Why do some pet owners take the view of "love me love my pet?" Or maybe I am more considerate and and better at making them feel welcome.

Labradorwhisperer Fri 21-Jun-13 07:21:50

Oooooh. Another one of THESE threads. Can I save everyone a bit of time?

YANBU, because that sort of behaviour from ANY dog is not acceptable and it is the owner's responsibility to deal with it.

YABU if you assume it is ALL dog owners. After all, there are some humans I really don't want my dogs making friends with anyway.

YABU also if you expect people to always want the company of children. Sometimes, I prefer prefer dogs smile

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 07:22:52

I usually prefer cats to most people anyway grin

forgetmenots Fri 21-Jun-13 07:24:51

Yanbu.

LtEve if I'm honest I might shout that to you depending on your dog- I'm genuinely phobic and have called over to owners
'Can you call your dog away from me please?' to avoid any scene, friendly or otherwise! It makes taking my DS to the park a nightmare for me but I'm sure a lot of the owners think I'm mad, it will be clear to them their dog isn't interested but that isn't obvious to me at all, I find them so unpredictable.

lljkk Fri 21-Jun-13 07:25:51

That's weird, I like dogs. I like saying hello to them. And am amazed at how much owners seem to not want me to ever approach (even if doggy is friendly). How many people walk a wide berth keeping a very short leash, how many dogs themselves are well trained to completely ignore other people (trained to be unfriendly).

Thing is once I do approach and do make it clear I know how to approach a dog on its terms then people thaw & are glad to be friendly & share their dog passion. But most owners seem very (excessively) concerned that their dog might bother somebody.

thank you grockle and dallas.
I had boxer dogs while growing up in my childhood home and because they had been trained well we never had this problem so its not like im speaking with no experience.
while they are still puppies of course these things are going to happen but by the time they are two,three or even older this can be sorted.
no dog is impossible to train.
I also have a very affectionate cat who would practically curl himself around your neck if you would let him but if he tries that with any visitors he is told no and he gets down.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 07:28:30

I don't assume everyone likes my dog. I find it strange when they're scared of him, because he's a 13 inch high fluff ball, but ok people have different histories with dogs. I try to stop him saying hello to everyone he meets (challenging, he's very friendly). I don't assume people interpret his behaviour correctly (ie harmless).

But I also assume that people are capable of stating their needs- not all of my friends are crazy about dogs but I'm hardly going to stop the dog bounding up to them and saying hello in our home - they're not petrified and they're perfectly able to ask me to stop him, or stop him themself. The default in this house is dog in lap, if you don't like it say something don't tut. If he's being particularly overbearing I do ask but people have all said they like his affection.

lljkk yes it can go the other way definitely and I shouldn't have generalised but there are owners who would happily let there dogs hump you and that is just wrong!

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 07:32:04

The cat points up thread are a perfect example. I'm hugely allergic to cats and I don't like them at all. Never once has a cat person asked me if they should remove their asthma inducing animal from my presence, nor would I expect them to - I tell them if the cat poses a problem. How are they supposed to guess?

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 07:39:52

I like dogs a lot. I don't have one atm, as I have not the time to give one the attention and time one requires, but I do love them. However, I do think there is a certain breed of owners who could be doing with some training themselves.

Yanbu OP - not everyone likes dogs, and those owners who allow their pets to get in other people's faces, without checking it's ok first, and who then get uppity when someone complains, need a good sound slapping imo. Ignorant twits.

I sympathise with you Aetae and my cat is a shorthair who doesn't molt much and is more of an outdoor cat but that is something that is a bit more unavoidable unfortunately.
its like eating something that may have traces of nuts in or using a hand towel at somebodys house that has been washed in a detergent that you are allergic to.

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 07:57:47

For example...in the park the other say, a woman walking along with two collies off lead. I was sitting on a bench chatting to a friend at the time. One of the collies clocked us, bounded over and jumped up onto the bench wagging its tail joyously. The woman smiled indulgently at her dog, while I pushed it back off again. My friend is not fond of dogs and was scrambling to get off the bench, while the collie slobbered all over her fabric handbag.
"Och he's just being friendly" she helpfully informed us. I said "can you call him back please?" at which her smile turned to a scowl, and she curtly called on the dog with a pinchy face, before rolling her eyes and muttering under her breath, obviously put out that we weren't enjoying her dogs affections.

I could have swung for her, not because of the dog, but because of her shocking bad manners.

And I do not agree that if the dog is in its own home, tough.confused

I don't visit people to have my crotch inspected, or my clothes slobbered on thanks.

lol.
the reason I posted this pic is because of my experience at my friends yesterday.
she has an adorable lab but she spent the entire time nuzzling my groin area and licking my bare skin leaving a very distinctive doggy drool smell on me.
I was going to lunch straight after and had to stop and buy baby wipes to remove the smell.
I did tell her no and push her away repeatedly so you would think friend would kind of get the hint?

don't know why I said posted this pic.please ignore.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:07:09

I wouldn't want anyone to visit me who didn't like my dog.
Okay, dogs should be trained not to pester people, but IMO people who don't like dogs are just plain wrong, and overreact a lot too.

YANBU unless the dog is in it's own home. And then ask if you don't like it. I'm a dog owner not a mind reader.

I like dogs kitten. just not the behaviour posted above.

Yonihadtoask Fri 21-Jun-13 08:10:09

YANBU

I like dogs - don't want the responsibility of my own though - but do not appreciate doggy drool on my body/clothes either.

I also run a lot. One of my routes takes me on the outskirts of a local doggy toilet park. Quite often a have to divert as a 'friendly' pooch wants to come and say hi/sniff me/trip me up. I am on the pavement, the dogs are off leash in the park. Keep the dogs in the park and leave me alone.

Rant over.

BabyMakesMyEyesGoSleepy Fri 21-Jun-13 08:11:44

No fear of my dog bounding up to anyone. No fear of him getting up off his lazy arse in general.

I don't like bouncy dogs who jump up on you. Its bad manners and bad training.

diddl Fri 21-Jun-13 08:12:53

What???

Not everyone loves my PFD as much as I do?
<faints>

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 08:13:59

Kitten - what if you need a doctor round who doesn't like dogs, or a hairdresser, or a health visitor, or a friend with a phobia of dogs?
Don't be so childish.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:17:12

"I wouldn't want anyone to visit me who didn't like my dog.
Okay, dogs should be trained not to pester people, but IMO people who don't like dogs are just plain wrong, and overreact a lot too."

That's a very narrow minded view.

JustPanicking Fri 21-Jun-13 08:17:34

I find it astonishing that some people won't be friends with those who don't like dogs! I am a dog lover and can't believe some have this as friendship criteria confused

I like dogs kittensoft.
im not dog bashing.
im bashing owners that cant be bothered to train them properly.
and before someone jumps on the band wagon im not talking about all dog owners.
as I said earlier I had dogs as a kid and we didn't have these problems as we took a lot of time training them.

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 08:22:12

Kittens pov reminds me of being 7, and you were bff with another little girl just because she liked ponies too! grin

it is strange panicking.
its like not being friends with a meat eater or someone who likes thrash metal.
very bizarre.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:22:46

Don't care. My dog comes first. It's her house.
I did put her in another room when a plumber came around who was really scared of dogs, but friends, no.
Luckily I don't seem to know anyone who really dislikes her. If they did, I would dislike them.
She goes virtually everywhere with me. Even been to a funeral. I know that the person in question would have liked her being there.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:24:18

Good reason to be friends with someone because they like ponies grin

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 08:24:47

Interesting point pictish. I'm looking forward with interest to various midwife and health visitor experiences with the dog. As I'm planning to have a home birth the dog will be around (although shut in a different room obviously) so the midwives hopefully understand how to interact with dogs! And if they don't I hope they're grown up enough to tell me there's a problem and not expect me to guess. Will see what happens next week when they visit.

And as for health visitors, as I've heard tales of some of them suggesting dogs and babies are incompatible I'm hoping the dog will be a litmus test of "sensible hvs that aetae wants in her home"! Not that the dog is a licker or a crotch sniffer, but he does like cuddles. From everyone.

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 08:26:11

So long as you respect the fact that not everyone wants to give him cuddles, that's fine.

kitten nobody is saying they don't like dogs!
sheesh!
but how would you feel if you went to somebodys house and their child sat there throwing baked beans at you?
would you be like'thats ok.it their home?'
that's a bit of a daft attitude.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:29:27

I am astonished at how childish and selfish some people can be about dogs. Not being friends with someone just because they don't like dogs. Isn't that something a primary aged child would do, not a grown up!

I don't care for horses. My best friend is passionate about them, but she is an adult and we are still best friends - fancy that!

My BIL is a selfish arse dog lover and when we visit I often have to push the dog away from my crotch when I am eating my dinner because BIL won't shut the dog out of the dining room when we are eating.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:30:12

My dog has never yet thrown baked beans. She is very well behaved really.
But I would want to know the baked bean throwers mum, no.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 08:31:43

Oh I don't care if people want to cuddle him or not. His constant need for affection annoys even me from time to time. It's people being unable to clearly express a non-cuddling preference that bother me. I'm not a mind reader.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:32:35

Would any of you want to be friendly with someone who disliked your child?

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:33:47

Kittens But you might not know that the mum's child throws baked beans until you went to her house. Why is it so difficult for you to try and see it from another point of view?

I love cats, I mean I really, really love cats. I have, however, removed them from the room when people have come to my my house and told me that they didn't feel comfortable around cats. I am considerate towards my friends. I don't set cat loving as a criteria before I befriend someone. I like people and I am nice towards them.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 08:33:58

Bunbaker I assume you've told your BIL that you don't like the dog being in the room while you're eating and asked him to put it in another room? If he ignored that polite request then yes I agree, he's a selfish arse.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:34:30

I don't think you can equate dogs with children though.

hollyisalovelyname Fri 21-Jun-13 08:36:50

I love dogs but have a healthy respect for them- they are animals with natural instincts ( Fenton!!!!). Some dog owners are deluded.....how many tragedies have happened because dog owners have thought their dog would not hurt anybody?
I just wish that dogs in public places were on leads. There is a lovely pier walk near my home but it is often spoiled by dogs off lead bounding off and 'fighting' with dogs on lead not to mention poo deposits. Selfish owners.
Like Pictish I would love a dog but don't have the time to give a dog at the moment.

if my child humped visitors legs,licked them,stuffed his nose into their crotches and pawed at them to the point of causing pain then I wouldn't blame them to be honest!
you are completely missing the point of this thread and not listening to what people are saying.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:37:16

Bunbaker, why not? Or think of it as someone who didn't like your perfectly lovely BFF. It's a question of loyalty.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:37:22

Yes, I have Aetae, very politely. A few years ago a barbecue at my sister's house was completely ruined because the dogs (they had two at the time) were making a complete nuisance of themselves. Although I was very irritated I kept my temper and asked politely if the dogs could be shut in the house just while we were eating. The answer was no, they were part of the family. I didn't enjoy the meal and neither did DD or OH.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 08:38:53

Holly, don't get a dog please. They need to be off the lead for a while every day.

ExcuseTypos Fri 21-Jun-13 08:43:01

YANBU and I say that as the owner of a very pampered, loved dog.

If anyone new comes to our house I always ask if they mind dogs and if they are afraid of them, I'll put her somewhere else-garden, sitting room etc.

When friends come with toddlers, the dog is allowed to say hello then the dog goes in another room, so the toddler can play and explore without hindrance form the dog.

People come before dogs IMO.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 08:45:10

"People come before dogs IMO."

I agree. I think people should come before all pets.

I don't hate dogs BTW. I grew up with them and like them, but I would never put an animal before a person.

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 08:46:08

Well of course they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise has some social problems imo.
And I say that as someone who did an Animal Husbandry HNC as a youngster and went on to work in a large animal shelter.

Marlinspike Fri 21-Jun-13 08:54:04

I have cats and will always shut them outside or in another room if we have visitors who are allergic, or just not cat fans. This is being polite and considerate. I would expect any dog owners to do the same with their pets given the same circumstances.

When he was younger my DS was truly terrified of dogs. The reason? He was round a friends house when he was about 6 when their rhodesian ridgeback bit him. The reason? For a short moment his friend had gone upstairs, and the Mum was in the garden so poor DS was alone with the dog, on the dog's territoiry - so the dog decided to assert his authority. DS was lucky to come away with "just" a bite on his hip, which drew blood.

The dog was quite clearly not to be trusted around children, and how on earth could DS have known that? That was one irresponsible dog owner to have left DS in such a vulnerable position.

So my point is - if you take Kittens view, of "love me, love my dog", and you have a dog with such territorial tendencies, either don't have visitors, or stay with the dog at all times! That attitude comes with responsibilities.

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 08:57:18

Kitten I'm not odd but why you want your house to smell of dog and even let something that licks its arse and bollocks go right ahead and lick you on the face baffles me. Dog lovers do generally do this. Dogs fart and drool and stink and scratch. Some moult all over the place and chew your shoes. The barking is so irritating for people who want a bit of peace and as for the leg humping, dog fights and fleas occasionally ....Oh yes, I must be odd not let a four legged bag of shit sleep on top of my bed.

Having said all of that it is the dog owners that I think need training.

bettycocker Fri 21-Jun-13 09:01:36

forgetmenots I have a genuine phobia of dogs too. It can be quite awkward and I've had to ask dog owners to get their dogs away from me.

It's the people who seem to think that not liking dogs is a personal failing that irk me. People can be phobic of all kinds of animals.

Saying that, I have a couple of friends with very well behaved, docile, placid dogs that are very nice. I actually like dogs like these once I get to know them.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 09:02:26

Oh dear Rosh. No need for such stereotyping! I could equally say "all dog haters are narrow minded selfish twats who don't have the imagination to get over their bad childhood dog experiences". But that's clearly not true so I don't say it. So push off if you don't have something considered to say.

Kooza Fri 21-Jun-13 09:03:54

I think it's a bit of a minefield to be honest. We got a puppy recently and when I walk her there is a mixed bag of a) people who give us a hugely wide berth and clearly don't want him anywhere near them and b) other people who cross the road specifically to say hello or who are obviously making a beeline as soon as they see him.

It's hard for him to learn any kind of consistent behaviour and I'm very careful not to let him approach anyone because I don't know whether they would be comfortable with that. Consequently there are some people who obviously wanted a quick cuddle who look at me like I'm some kind of meanie because I've got him on such a short lead when we are walking through busy areas. He LOVES people so would willingly stop and say hello to every single person we pass!

At home he isn't shut away but I watch his behaviour very carefully if we have visitors to make sure he isn't being annoying or making any unwelcome overtures.

Leg humping is a complete no-no as far as I'm concerned. Or at least buy me a drink first.....grin

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 09:06:22

Ha ha, tosh. Have a think about how some human beings behave, do.
Well, it's down to personal preference really. People who dislike dogs are well lost to me. I'd prefer her company.
Luckily it doesn't often arise as the kind of work I do tends to bring me into contact with animal lovers.
And dogs are people too btw.

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 09:12:28

Aetna, it is considered.
No childhood bad experiences regarding dogs.
Selfish am I? Because I don't want to share my home with a dog. Nutter.

Goldmandra Fri 21-Jun-13 09:15:44

We have the opposite problem in that our 18 month old terrier/collie cross thinks that everyone absolutely adores her. She is desperate to get to any visitor who arrives and jumps up at them to greet them.

We are trying to teach her how to behave more appropriately but some people seem to want to show us how good they are with dogs and insist on responding to her in their own way. This can be to allow her to jump up and give her lots of fuss in an excited tone, thus praising her for unacceptable behaviour, or telling her off and trying to control her using words she doesn't even know. These are friends of DH's who come round often.

I ask them to help by following the method we have been advised to use but if they ignore me I find it hard to be too abrupt as they are guests. As a result of these mixed messages she is taking longer to get the message which isn't helpful for us or her.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 09:17:05

Rosh concentrate. I'm saying I don't say all dog haters are like that. Just as all dogs don't jump up, hump and lick people. And all dog owners aren't inconsiderate. You're being incendiary by making generic stereotypical statements and it's unhelpful.

BaldHedgehog Fri 21-Jun-13 09:22:23

YANBU

I'm living in the small village,the amount of dog shit on the pavement is shocking.Free dog poo bags available from the shop and still big pile of shit just at the front od dog waste bin.What a pleasure not it is to tread into dog shit with a buggy and then into the carpet.
Those picking up dog shit leave the bag with contents on our hedge.

While on the camping holidays twice I was woken up by the dog-first one was rummaging through our stuff inside the tent,second one was pissing on the tent.In both cases owner nowhere to be seen.

Pushing the buggy I was jumped on the back by labrador,when I started shouting towards the owner to take her dog away she shouted back "he's never seen a buggy before".I don't give a fuck you stupid cow what your dog has seen or not.

To those of you saying that I've got a choice whether to visit or not house with a dog.I dropped one of my friends because of that-I chose not to visit,I don't want to be humped by your darling GSD when holding 6mo DS or be constantly nudged,licked and clawed by your friendly dog.

And I'm saying that as a dog owner.

maninawomansworld Fri 21-Jun-13 09:22:53

When in public yes, you are totally right dogs should be under control and not allowed to bother strangers.
If you come to my house though, it is my dogs home as well as mine and any visitor needs to respect that - or not come. I don't mean having to put up with a dog jumping all over them (mine don't because they're well trained), but I'm not booting them out just because some visitor isn't too keen on dogs either.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 09:23:44

The reason? For a short moment his friend had gone upstairs, and the Mum was in the garden so poor DS was alone with the dog, on the dog's territoiry - so the dog decided to assert his authority

Impossible for you to know the reason if you were not there.

Dogs do NOT suddenly 'decide to assert their authority'. Dogs are dogs, they are not humans, they don't have human traits. Pack theory was disproved long ago.

I'm very sorry that your DS was bitten and that it has made him scared of dogs. The 'blame' certainly lies at the feet of the owner. Whilst I do not shut my dog away when we have visitors (it's her home, not theirs, they don't have to visit but she has to live there), I also do not let her be anywhere without me. Luckily my dog is extremely well trained and I can keep her away from others with just a look or click of my fingers!

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 09:34:04

Yes hedgehog, what is the logic of putting the shit in a plastic bag and then chucking that on the path? I have seen that all over the place. It is worse than leaving the shit there. Fuckwits.

I typed out a long post, only to lose it as I've just had a short power cut!

Okay, dogs should be trained not to pester people, but IMO people who don't like dogs are just plain wrong, and overreact a lot too.

Try seeing things from the other point of view, why don't you.

I don't like dogs because I was attacked as a child. I have, over the years managed to get to a point of being able to be near dogs, but struggle still to touch them, and certainly never trust them. The dog that attacked me gave no warning signals whatever, even the owner was taken by surprise and I was nowhere near the dog in the first place. I only got bruising as I was wearing thick clothes, but it was still a frightening experience.

My brother was attacked by a dog as a child too. In his case, he got several deep bites from a jack russell. The owner didn't even bother to stop and help my brother, just said "you'll be fine" and walked off. Dbro was simply playing in the park, and was not near the dog, so no excuse of provoking the dog here.

Dbro only got help cos his friend who wasn't attacked came and got my mum. This was about 30-35 years ago.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 09:42:48

I ask people if they're okay with dogs and if they're not they're given the option to leave. It's my house, my rules. My dogs live here, my guests do not.

It's not always logistically possible for me to separate my dogs anyway. I have a small, two up two down house and up to four dogs at any one time (normally three but on odd occasions I have in a short term emergency foster or one or two of my parent's dogs if they're away, the flying whippet is coming to stay for a week soon and I already have a foster grey in, which will put us upto four) Sometimes these dogs cannot be left unsupervised alone, which means one or two of them would have to be in the room I was in.

If I'm having parties then one of them normally needs locking away from food. Another needs to be where I can see him because he has a tendency to bite first and ask questions later if he feels threatened. He's safe with us and my immediate family, we know what his triggers are and not to do them, other guests might not, so he stays with me, where I can see him at all times. I won't keep them outside for hours. There is no proper shelter out there, so it would not be fair and as my house is only small if I were to lock him in the back room people would still need to go out there to get food, use the loo or get drinks.

They're as trained as I need or want them to be, unless they're new to us and I still have issues to work with. If guests are not happy with that, they're quite free to leave. I like my dogs more than I like most people anyway.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 09:45:50

Fry, I'm sorry that you and your brother had those experiences and that you have become phobic, however the human animal is a lot more dangerous than dogs, and it is certainly not my lovely dog's fault that you feel like that.
It is actually your responsibility to deal with your phobia, if you wish to. There are various programs available.
I would not shut my dog in another room for a visitor. She would be upset and think she had done something wrong.

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 09:47:03

It's just good manners really nothing to do with animals.

I wouldn't let anyone feel uncomfortable in my house as they are a guest. So I wouldn't serve a vegetarian meat or allow my cats to jump in the lap of someone allergic to them.

Just manners.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 09:49:08

Yes, manners. I would not go to someone's house and expect another member of the family to be shut away for the duration of my visit.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 09:52:47

If you're in the dog's own home, tough IMO.

I wouldnt let my dog jump about people in his house,

yanbu Op

Kittens, I'm not asking you to change your behaviour or your dogs behaviour in your own home. I'm just saying that not everyone likes dogs.

Yes, in my case, I have had experiences that way, but I'm not bothered about getting treatment as I just avoid dogs where I can. t's now, these days, not a big deal. And my DCs like dogs and are happy around them, so I've managed to get somewhere on my own.

But I do know people who simply don't like dogs. No bad experiences, just don't like them. And yet they get treated as if there's something wrong with them, when it's just a matter of preference. People who like reptiles accept that others don't like reptiles, so why can't those who like dogs accept that other people may not like any dogs?

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 10:01:58

Kitten, I have a friend who is terrified of dogs so my other friend just puts her dog in another room when she visits.

What's the big deal?

I absolutely adore my cats but don't assume visitors do. I don't expect them to kick my cats of course but equally I wouldn't just allow the cat to jump all over them.

A well trained dog doesn't jump up anyway and is under control.

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 10:05:18

I can't stand the PFD dog-owners who can't be bothered to train their dogs and indulgently smile when the dog is a total pain. So YANBU.

But I have 2 big dogs. Trained and well behaved ones. I don't shut them in another room or put them in kennel for visitors. Visitors are warned that we have pets and they have the choice not to visit, if they don't like dogs. I think that's a reasonable solution.

ImagineJL Fri 21-Jun-13 10:05:26

kitten I think you're missing the point. For most people, it's not that they don't like dogs as such, it's that they don't like all the possible behaviours.

I'm perfectly happy sitting in a room with a dog, even having it sniff around me a bit, that's fine. What I don't like is to be licked and drooled over, or have my leg humped, or have big dirty paws on my clean clothes.

I remember going to a friend's house for dinner once, wearing a brand new white top. As she opened the door her huge labrador (who I was actually quite fond of) jumped up and put his big muddy paws on my chest, totally covering my top with mud from the garden. I had to borrow one of my friend's tops for the evening, which didn't really fit, and although it obviously didn't spoil the whole evening it did piss me off somewhat.

I wouldn't let a toddler slobber or smear grubby hands over a guest, so I don't expect people's dogs to do it to me.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 10:07:10

My dog is a teenager grin so he gets really excited sometimes I dont want him in my face never mind somebody coming to my house

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 10:08:08

Hi thebody, I can't answer for Kitten, but if I were to shut my dog in another room she would howl, bark and scratch at the door. She'd be far more annoying (and scary) than she is lying snoring at my feet.

WinterWinds Fri 21-Jun-13 10:09:15

I am not keen on dogs although I was brought up with them. Don't get me wrong I will happily give your dog a pet and a stroke if its calm and well behaved.
But the minute that dog starts bouncing up at me, nearly knocking me off my feet, slobbering all over me and trying to sit on my knee, then that's it, i'm done.

A family members dog does this and for this reason I never stay too long or visit too often. I don't want to be stinking of dog and covered in dog hair by the time I leave (which I usually am) and not to mention the dog is bloody heavier than I am, I cant cope with it.

Also it annoys me when people wont go anywhere without their dog.
Remember going to a barbeque and there was a dog running round the guests and jumping up. I asked friends who were hosting when they had got the dog.Was informed it wasn't theirs but another guests dog that she couldn't possibly leave at home for the duration of the bbq.

And twice now I have had visitors thinking it was perfectly reasonable to bring their dogs to my house when I have a houseful of cats, because they cant be left alone for an hour.
Dh agreed without thinking about the logistics of it, one of my cats will not tolerate dogs and did infact attack one of the dogs. The owner then thought she has reason to complain because her dog got scratched.
I have had to put a stop to visits as if they come they will not leave the dog at home and expect us to accommodate it.

I don't force my cats on others so why should they force their dogs on me.

hollyisalovelyname Fri 21-Jun-13 10:10:11

Don't worry Kittens I have a large garden and would only consider a small dog anyway.. and I'm not getting a dog because I don't have the time to give it at the moment...... I love dogs and know they need love and attention.

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 10:10:14

As a dog owner - with multiple dogs, I don't assume anyone else loves dogs. Why would I?

I have an issue with parents that let kids just run up to dogs and hug/pet the. [Mine are fine, having been brought up with my and family's children, but the parents should always check first.]

I have a similar issue with screamer parents "keep your animals away". Listen, parent, my animals are leaded. Your screaming upsets them, the child, you and me.

Oh and FWIW I trust my dogs completely. I would NEVER EVER leave them alone with a baby/child; not safe for the child or the dogs and I can't believe people that do.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 10:11:13

Fry, Yes fine, it's up to you, but it's not a decision I can go along with. Why should dog owners accommodate your issues? I'm glad yor children don't feel the same because cutting out dogs from life cuts out a lot of joy too.
I actually used to work with people who had phobias and getting them out of this situation was really satisfying for me and them. They acknowledged that their lives were restricted and did something about it.
I must go and do something more useful now.
Just remember, people, that dog owners often love their animals as much as you love members of your own family.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 10:14:22

Holly. NO!!! Dogs need to interact with other dogs too. Even the best trained dog. I know a blind man with a guide dog who takes his dog to the park every day, because he realises that dogs need to be dogs, even of only for an hour a day. She runs around like a loon playing with the other dogs and it's great to see.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 10:15:15

Obv, he can't see it though ...

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 10:20:17

To the dog owners who let their dogs run up to people, what would you do if the person kicked your dog really hard?

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 10:20:54

Doinmecleanin, 4 dogs in a small two up two down. Bloody hell. The noise and stink and mess would be unbearable to me so I would be in the group that choose not to visit. Guess we'll never be friends. Do you smell like a dog and are you covered in dog hair?

AudrinaAdare Fri 21-Jun-13 10:24:32

YANBU. I once saw it phrased on here as, "not everybody loves your manky pet". DH and I use it all the time now.

Crumbledwalnuts Fri 21-Jun-13 10:28:35

I stepped in a dog poo yesterday the size of a cob loaf. Some dog owners are ghastly, you are quite right.

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 10:30:20

Doinmecleanin The extent to which you prioritise your dogs over people, including the wellbeing of your own children, is well documented on here.

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 10:32:46

If the dog howls and scratches at the door then isn't that a badly trained dog?

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 10:33:07

Children too, OMG. Still it saves you having their friends over in your glorified kennel.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 10:34:59

To the dog owners who let their dogs run up to people, what would you do if the person kicked your dog really hard?

If my dog had run up to someone but not connected with them in any way - I'd kick the human back just as hard.

If my dog had run up and jumped up at the human then I would be pissed off but would know that it was my fault for not training my dog not to jump up.

But that's not going to happen, because my dog is well trained and will not run up to someone - she may try, but before she gets more than a few yards from me I can call her back or make her "down" in place (there is collie in her, she is completely push button)

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 10:36:00

If the dog howls and scratches at the door then isn't that a badly trained dog?

No thebody, it's a dog with seperation issues from being dumped in a sealed sports bag and left to die.

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 10:37:08

Rosh I only have 2 dogs but yes, there certainly is some dog hair and if it rains, wet dog smell too. Just like parents have their clothes covered in baby sick and house smelling of nappies. Some consider it a small price to pay.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 10:38:24

I can assure you I don't assume everyone is a dog lover. I tend to assume they are foaming-at-the-mouth rabid dog haters who will scream and faint when presented with my mild-mannered totally uninterested stafflabollie. Unless provided with evidence to the contrary. So if, in the unlikely event of him showing any interest at all in a person with less than 4 legs without their overt encouragement, I call him away and keep him close by my legs.

Kittens, you are missing my point. I don't now go near dogs unless it's unavoidable, but then I don't need to. I certainly don't consider it to be in the realms of phobia.

And I certainly don't feel as if my life is in any way restricted. There is a clear implication in your post that you feel that people who don't like dogs are in some way missing out. "I'm glad yor children don't feel the same because cutting out dogs from life cuts out a lot of joy too." Only if you like dogs.

Lazyjaney Fri 21-Jun-13 10:40:16

"Okay, dogs should be trained not to pester people, but IMO people who don't like dogs are just plain wrong, and overreact a lot too"

Clearly very unreasonable to not like wet noses in your crotch and drool down your clothes.

One of my kids was massively allergic to dogs when small, and oh my the grumpiness of some dog owners when we shooed their dogs away (I'm talking public places here, not their homes).

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 10:42:16

Do you smell like a dog and are you covered in dog hair?

Rosh, I know you are just being a GF and trying to get a rise out of people, but I have a friend with 5 dogs, 8 rabbits and 3 cats in a 3-up-2-down.

Her house is immaculate, she is always smartly turned out, no dog hair, no smells and is a damn sight nicer than most dog haters I meet.

In fact, because she has so many animals I would say she borders on OCD, so her house is probably cleaner and less smelly than yours - ie do you disinfect all your floors and the fronts of all your kitchen cupboards every single day? She does.

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 10:42:45

Oh bless him. Lt, in that case am sure guests would understand and anyway he sounds like he doesn't jump up etc.

No personally I love dogs but I just have one friend who simply can't be in the same room as one and can't go to the park without another adult.

Crumbledwalnuts Fri 21-Jun-13 10:44:05

Sometimes people are just as much bother to dog-lovers though, with small children petting and pulling. I used to tell them not to do it or the dog would bite their hand off.

LadyBryan Fri 21-Jun-13 10:46:27

YANBU in your feelings - perfectly valid and perfectly ok.

Re: the dogs in someone's home though, I think you're being a touch unreasonable if you silently seethe about it and don't say anything. The dog thinks its being friendly, the dog owner doesnt have a clue you don't like it if you don't say.

Honesty (and polite honesty!) is the best policy!

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 10:46:36

Oh bless him. Lt, in that case am sure guests would understand and anyway he sounds like he doesn't jump up etc

No, she is a very very 'good' dog. Was very easy to train when we got her because she was very eager to please. She can't be left alone for any amount of time though - fine if no-one else is around, she's OK for an hour or so (or so my neighbours tell me), but if she can hear other people she needs to be with them. Luckily I can take her to work with me as well, so instances when she is on her own are very few and far between smile

There really does seem to be an assumption among many dog lovers (not all, I get that some are sensible), that just because they like dogs, then surely everyone else must like them.

Well, your liking for dogs is a personal preference. Same as I know quite a few people for whom not liking dogs is also a personal preference. They prefer cats, or other pets, or no pets at all.

I like heavy metal. Do I blindly assume that everyone else must like the music I like or there's something wrong with them? No, of course not, I know that we all like different things.

And liking or not liking dogs is just another thing that people decide.

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 10:51:07

LtEveDallaa, I only asked because I was attacked by a small dog who really wanted to inflict more damage than he was capable of, while the owner just stood there saying "now, Ralph, be nice!" I thought of kicking the dog, but didn't want to upset the stupid woman. grin

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 10:53:12

Lt, hope they caught the bastards who did that to her.

Unbelievable people can be so cruel.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 10:54:29

If you're in the dog's own home, tough IMO.

Fair point Squeaky. And so no matter how well behaved the dog is, I avoid dogs' residences as far as I possibly can because the smell has me dry heaving for the rest of the day!

AudrinaAdare Fri 21-Jun-13 10:55:55

"Ralph" grin

arabesque Fri 21-Jun-13 10:58:05

I am always surprised at how oblivious some dog owners are to the annoyance or upset their dog is causing to other people. It is not acceptable to stand smiling beatifically and saying 'don't worry. He's harmless' while your dog jumps all over an obviously terrified adult or child; or to allow them to gambol around a public park where small children or elderly people can be very easily knociked off balance. It is also not acceptable to let them drool all over people who are visiting your house.
I know most dog owners are considerate are polite but, as someone who is genuinely afraid of dogs, it is the rude, stupid, inconsiderate ones I remember and who make me stiffen with nerves anytime I come into contact with a strange dog.
And as for those extendable leashes; some dog owners really need to learn to use them responsibly.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 11:02:50

Lt, hope they caught the bastards who did that to her

No they never did thebody. I'm just glad that we were looking for a pup when she was dumped - we were in the perfect place/situation to be able to take her and give her the care and attention she needed.

Think there may still be a couple of photos at the bottome of my profile page if you are interested (can't check because the work firewall blocks photos!)

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 11:11:22

Does my house smell? I doubt it. There is not much in my house that is not wipe clean. I decorated with my pets in mind.

All dog bedding gets boil washed once weekly (the greyhound hates me on these days, he loves his bed and grieves for it when it is in the washer) and then the washer is put on two maintenance cycles to keep that clean. Halfway through the week the dog bedding is steam cleaned to freshen it back up.

The long haired dog is also washed weekly. All dogs are brushed down daily, the long haired one also gets sprayed with doggy detangler daily, so he normally smells of dog conditioner.

I do a poo-check in the yard 2-3 times a day upon which it is bleached. The kitchen, bathroom, dining room and hallway are all swept and bleached daily and I give the cupboard doors a quick wipe over each day to get rid of any marks where the dogs have rubbed against them, ditto the fridge-freezer.

They don't get into the living as often so that is swept and mopped on my days off usually 2-4 times a week and the rug is steam cleaned on those days also and washed in the washer once a week.

On a monday I do a deep clean, where I wash down all furniture and steam all soft furnishings and hoover/sweep/mop upstairs where the dogs are not allowed.

My house is probably cleaner than yours. I have to keep on top of things because they get too out of hand too quickly.

Yes I have children. Two of. Although they seem to multiply often confused. There was five of them here yesterday hmm They're very popular and our house seems to be the go to house in our neighborhood when it's raining or they want cake <sigh> We've had kids turn up to 'play' at 9am on a Saturday morning and not return home until 6:30pm on Sunday more than once, although I've now managed to teach most kids round here that if the curtains aren't open, they're not to knock on the door.

My children love having dogs. They start nagging me to phone the foster co-ordinator and demand she bring us a dog immediately if we go too long with only two dogs.

We also have fish and a cat and dd1 keeps threatening to rescue something small and furry that lives in a cage, we are still in the negotiation stage on this one atm.

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 11:14:52

Such a happy home then. If you say so.

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 11:18:29

I gave up at Dogs are people too btw

FFS.......

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 11:18:41

dd1 keeps threatening to rescue something small and furry that lives in a cage

Don't fall for it Dooin. I did. £1000 and 3 rabbits later DD has no interest in them and I am doing all the cleaning/feeding/caring and getting bitten weekly grin

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:20:05

My house is probably cleaner than yours.

I don't doubt it for a second Cleanin most people's are. Even so I can still detect a house with dogs in it at many many paces. What I said was not a moral judgement just a statement of fact. Methinks you doth protest too much!

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 11:20:57

Yes, it is thanks. It's chaotic and noisy and slightly mad at times. You can't move without tripping over a pet or a strange child most afternoons, but it's happy. A lot of the children think they are dogs, one of the dogs thinks she is a cat and the cat is the most stupid cat I've ever met, but that just adds to the fun.

I go to work to get quiet time and consume much vodka on the weekends. It helps with the noise wink grin

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 11:21:51

Will look Lt, sounds like she fell on her paws with your family anyway.

Rosh are you as rude in real life dear?

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 11:25:10

You do know that your house stinks though dont you? Like a smokers house stinks, they cant smell but you can. thats what a house with dogs in it is like.

halcyondays Fri 21-Jun-13 11:25:28

Any time I have been out and a dog has come over and started pawing at me or my dds, the owner has pulled it away and apologised. So I wouldn't say all dog owners are inconsiderate.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:27:59

You're a brave woman Bogeyface but I think I love you

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:28:53

You're a brave woman Bogeyface

Sorry, you could be a man and I would love you anyway!

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 11:29:11

Sometimes it is called for.

Roshbegosh Fri 21-Jun-13 11:30:12

Rudeness I mean.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 11:30:34

Well I guess all house stink of human too. Of course you wouldn't notice it because you are a human..... All living creatures smell. So what? Unless the dog has rolled in something pungent or is ill (or wet!) the smell isn't overpowering, and unpleasant is in the nose of the beholder.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 11:33:13

lt you paid a grand for RABBITS are you nuts woman

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:33:42

and unpleasant is in the nose of the beholder.

That is precisely what I was saying: I wasn't saying that people shouldn't keep dogs, just that this particular smell makes me feel ill so I avoid dog homes if I can. Is that not allowed?

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 11:35:05

absolutely antisecco, I would prefer if people who didn't like dogs avoided my house.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:35:21

Roshbegosh Beautiful return of PA lob. I love you too!

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 11:35:24

Totally antisecco - knock yourself out.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:36:33

Great Hazle...we'll have to meet at some nice little hostelry on neutral territory. Looking forward to it grin

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:38:03

Bloody hell such vitriol. FTR I have not said I don't like dogs...I do in fact...just that I have an innate aversion to the smell. So shoot me!

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 11:42:47

What vitriol?

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 11:43:00

lt you paid a grand for RABBITS are you nuts woman

No, no, didn't pay for them, we rescued them. They weren't supposed to cost us anything.

But £300 for hutch/run etc, £200 for spay/neuter, £150 for innocs, then another £300-£400 (forgotten exactly) to sort out the bite and subsequent infection when mum rabbit suddenly decided that buck was the beast from hell and attacked him (coming off worse) was NOT what I was expecting...

Hasitfallendownagain Fri 21-Jun-13 11:45:55

I don't like dogs. Haven't really had a bad experience as a child, just don't like them. In fact I'm not that keen on any animal up close - I can appreciate their beauty and perhaps enjoy observing them at a distance (outside) etc etc that doesn't mean I want to interact with them or touch them, or smell them.

It's just how I feel, not a personal attack on you or your pet. I'm not sneering at dog owners, or thinking that people shouldn't be allowed to own dogs, or in fact making any moral or value judgement at all. I'm just saying, I don't like dogs. Not everyone likes the same things. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with people who dislike dogs, any more than there is anything wrong with people that do like them.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 11:46:00

OH ok so the Rabbits were free pheww thought oh get her not just any old rabbits grin pets cost a fortune

QueenofallIsee Fri 21-Jun-13 11:46:27

Well OP now you know: for the folks that think their dogs the same as our children shock and attack non dog lovers for their lifedown right stupidity at not allowing their life to be enriched by a four legged friend you will forever more be unreasonable. I am with you though, more daft dog owners than reasonable ones in my experience (and yes, i have a dog...a much loved family pet that is allowed to poo outside and eat from the floor i.e. not a child)

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 11:47:26

That's a lot of money to spend on an animal that doesn't yield much more meat than a chicken. wink

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 11:50:45

Fry, to me it's like not liking swimming. Fine, you don't have to do it, but it is one of life's joys. Seems a bit of a shame.
Katy, I wouldn't try that if I was you.
Rosh, so so glad you'd never want to be friends with me. You sound horrible.

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 11:53:34

You may not think that the smell is unpleasant or over powering, but thats because you are used to it. I promise you, to those who dont live in doggy houses it is very strong and deeply unpleasant.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 11:55:14

Rosh, so so glad you'd never want to be friends with me. You sound horrible.

Well I am going to use your words straight back at you Kitten ie

Fine, you don't have to do it, but it is one of life's joys. Seems a bit of a shame. 'cos Rosh sounds like a stand up kinda gal/guy to me!

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 11:56:15

Bogey. How about this, WE DON'T CARE. Do not visit. Go away.

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 11:56:33

Gosh.

So bad tempered to each other.

Our house has multiple dogs. They know they are dogs, and are fed only dog food, only in dog bowls, only in one place.

They have run of the house unless we have visitors, in which case we will make sure visitors room is dog-clean and door shut. If visitors don't want dog in bedroom, told to keep door shut.

Dogs are allowed on our bed and living room furniture. Yes, if you visit us you will get some dog hair on you. No, we understand if you don't want to visit.

They are very noisy as they alert each other to visitors; kicking them would be unwise. Any callers to the door or tradesmen are told that we have dogs, and asked if the dogs need to be shut in.

If you visit with children, we'll happily introduce the dogs one at a time. If you child is terribly frightened of animals, we'll suggest we meet somewhere else - your phobia isn't our problem, but we'll prevent our dogs from bothering you.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 11:57:59

Well we are all agreed then. You don't want to be my friend, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 12:00:24

Not all non-doggy people. I have plenty of non-doggy friends who never appear to be overpowered by the stench. But they may be lying of course. I am perfectly prepared to accept there is a smell that is different to other smells but I don't think it's worse. Personal opinion of course. But to say that all doggy house 'stink' can't be true if a large proportion of the population don't seem to mind or even notice. They stink to you. I intensely dislike the smell of Macdonalds chicken nuggets - it makes me heave bringing it home in the car to my kids. But most people don't care one way of the other.

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 12:02:08

Wow Kitten Nice to see that the money you paid to the charm school wasnt wasted!

Why so snotty? Doggy houses smell, thats a fact, why be snippy about it?

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 12:04:39

Orm well I am speaking from my own experience of course, that I do find it very unpleasant and overwhelming, but I would never dream of saying that to the owner of the house I was visiting! "YUCK! Your house really SMELLS!" would not be the most polite thing to say grin

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 12:06:05

All houses smell of something, I haven't managed to visit a totally odourless one yet. Matter of taste if dog smell is worse than smell of human sweat, diapers, damp, bleach or you name it.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 12:06:49

Agree bogey. that would be v rude indeed. But i am guessing that I'd notice if any of my guests feel to their knees retching and gasping for breath grin

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 12:12:43

Bogey, Yes but I just don't care. I love her smell. and your opinion means nothing to me, as we would never go near each other in rl.
I would love to visit your house though, just the once, I'm sure I would have an opinion.
Which charm school did you go to bogey? I'd get a refund.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 12:14:18

This thread has degenerated a bit since I lay dropped in. Mainly as far as I can tell because people keep making blanket statements and refusing to listen to each other...

- s

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 12:15:53

I've got friends who like dogs, friends who don't.

I see the friends who don't not in our house. I'm unsure what the issue is. I have a friend who allows his dog onto the table to eat off his plate.

Him? I meet in the pub, as I can't bear what he's doing to the dog.

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 12:16:01

Try what, Kittens? Rabbit meat? Already did. Was tasty, but not worth £1000.

I like rosh. I want to be friends with her. We will both smell good together.

(Not all dogs are smelly. I clean houses where you can't even tell a dog lives there. I also spent an hour repeatedly mopping a floor yesterday - three buckets of mop water and two flat dry mops - and they still weren't clean in the end.)

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 12:17:48

So. Some people don't like dogs. Fine. Some dogs are badly behaved, which is Not A Good Thing. Fine. Some dogs are well-behaved but non-dog people sometimes misinterpret friendly dog behaviour or just don't like it. Fine. some dog owners are inconsiderate cunts. Fine. Some dog owners are the soul of courtesy. Fine. Some doggy houses smell, some do not. Fine.

For some reason some of these points are perceived as all-enc

And everyone wants a good fight today!

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 12:18:12

I'm giving up. Stupid phone keeps posting too soon!

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 12:20:55

Yes, aetae, a bit addictive. Must do something more useful but kind of enjoying it.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 12:30:13

Try what, Kittens? Rabbit meat? Already did. Was tasty, but not worth £1000

Not that keen on the taste myself, to 'gamey', but pretty much lived on it growing up (poor household).

Couldn't not pay for the rabbits/treatments etc. We took them on, therefore they are our responsibility - no matter how much they cost. Admittedly would have preferred it if if hadn't happened within weeks of having them - nor on Xmas Eve resulting in a call out, emergency op and collection on Xmas Day shock

Bloody things.

Well, they are good playmates for MuttDog now if nothing else...

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 12:30:56

I'm sure they're lovely to snuggle. smile

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 12:34:30

Not the rabbit tasting, the dog kicking.

CrowsLanding Fri 21-Jun-13 12:44:35

YANBU Op. My Dp has just called to say he has walked off a job after being bitten by a dog. Dp is mobile with his work and most customers have the common curtesy of keeping dogs out of the way whilst he gets on with his work. (he works outside btw).

Unfortunately this inconsiderate dog owner let her dog bite my dp not once or twice but three times befor dp reacted and hit it, I dont blame him at all for protecting himself from a big german shephard which bit him on the back when he was laid down on the ground.

Then the customer tells him 'he should not be in his line of work if he doesnt like animals' No apologies just excuses that its a puppy and is only playing. Playing to me is throwing a ball not ripping dp's sleeve with its teeth or standing over/biting him when he is laid on the ground with his back turned.

Dp DOES like animals just not the type that tries to take chunks out of him.

I have never known dp to ever walk out of a job in all the time Ive known him.

So again OP YANBU smile

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 12:44:54

If a dog jumps on me, why can't I kick it off me?

I haven't done so, although I considered it that one time the dog was actually biting me. But, I think people who profess to care about their dogs should keep it away from harm. If that stupid little dog had been biting my child, I would have killed it with my bare hands.

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 12:49:03

Puppies can gnaw/nibble.
Their "play" can draw blood with needle like teeth.

WHY would anyone inflict that on a tradesman?

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 12:57:39

I don't know why anyone would have a dog full stop. They bite, they shit and they smell. Why would you want that in your house? It's a fucking animal. And in my experience, the kind of people who go around saying that they prefer animals to people are generally borderline sociopath and incapable of getting on with said people.

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 13:01:49

Wallison
I don't know why anyone would have a dog full stop. They bite, they shit and they smell.

I suspect that your bridge is that way ->

Bite shit and smell - just like kids then... wink

I have them because they are fun to play with, take on walks and I like them.

I suspect I might prefer them to those who trit trot on to threads to be "amusing".

I like animals, some I fuss; some I eat.

Good job we're not all the same.

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 13:02:49

Interesting you mention sociopaths. One of the common traits of serial killers is that they hated and abused animals..

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 13:13:59

Dog bites account for 6,000 children every year requiring hospital treatment, doubtless while their useless owners look on fondly and say things like "He's only playing" and "Love me, love my dog." If wild animals were responsible for this kind of carnage, there would be widespread calls for a cull. Dogs are dangerous, smelly and unhygienic. They have fleas and worms and they lick their arses before slobbering all over your face, hands and clothes. Other countries look askance at us for allowing them into houses at all, much less requiring tradesmen and other visitors to put up with their fond 'attentions'.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 13:15:50

Dog bites account for 6,000 children every year requiring hospital treatment

Where? In UK, England, the world?

gamerchick Fri 21-Jun-13 13:16:46

Lovely contrast to the lizard thread yesterday where making bags and pretending power cuts was perfectly acceptable. grin

Pets are pets, some people love them and some don't. I can't stand dogs (or cats) no bad experiences.. Just don't get along with them. Nor do o abuse them..many a time I've had the opportunity to boot a cat up the arse after it's shit on the garden, but i haven't. Dogs mostly get ignored if im visiting somebody.

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 13:16:53

UK.

imnotmymum Fri 21-Jun-13 13:18:34

Even if we have a dog...drives me crazy mu dog happily strolling along Bozo bounds up"He just wants to play" Well my dog bloody doesn't so shove off.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 13:19:38

Interesting figure, wallison, where did you get it from?
Human beings are far more dangerous.
I think that the overreaction and baiting on this thread is driven by people who are ashamed of their hatred and know that it would provoke a very negative reaction in rl.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 13:21:41

This is from the Guardian and probably refers to the UK. And this is the link in the article.

SelectAUserName Fri 21-Jun-13 13:22:42

Gosh, looks like I picked the wrong day to sign up to Mumsnet! grin

I love dogs, and have one. But I love him because he is a dog, not a small furry human, and behaves like a dog. I think it's innately disrespectful to an animal to view it as anything other than it is.

If a visitor comes to my house for the first time I will warn them that we have a cautious dog who can growl (we took him on as an older rescue so he has a lot of issues) and are they okay with that? If they are in my house in a professional capacity, e.g. a workman or similar I will keep him in another room with me to let them get on in peace. I won't shut him away as he will whine and bark - he was abandoned in a caravan before we rehomed him so he has separateion anxiety and wouldn't understand why he was being "punished". Practically the first things we taught him were the commands "off" combined with pointing which makes him move back, and "bed" which - quelle surprise - makes him get in his bed.

It's not rocket science to be able to tell whether a vistor is receptive to your dog's approach or not, you just need to be able to read basic body language. If someone ignores a dog on entry, moves their legs away or folds their arms or half-turns their body when it moves towards them, doesn't speak to it or acknowledge it then I'd assume they aren't a dog-lover and make sure it didn't bother them. If they seem pleased to see it, speak to it, start talking about their old childhood dog etc, I'd assume they're fine with it so long as it was well-behaved. Much as I love dogs I don't like being licked in the face / nosed in the crotch / humped on the leg / pawed unexpectedly on the arm so I don't expect my visitors to like it either, and my dogs have always been trained accordingly.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 13:23:22

6000 dog bites a year in UK.

From 8.3 MILLION dogs (figures from 2011)

70% of those dog bites were family members being bitten in their own homes by the family pet.

Less than 2% of those dog bites needed a hospital stay... hospital treatment figures included those people who have never had tetnus jabs, and therefore required them, not just those that needed actual treatment.

But anyway, you aren't interested in hearing that are you?

HazleNutt Fri 21-Jun-13 13:23:59

"Injuries sustained from dog strikes or bites resulted in nearly 6,500 hospital admissions in England last year - with children under 10 accounting for around one in every six admissions"

So not 6000 children.

SelectAUserName Fri 21-Jun-13 13:24:11

separation

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 13:28:20

I am not at all ashamed of my feelings towards dogs in particular and house pets in general. I dont like them and never will, I will never understand who anyone can put a pet higher in their priorities list than their human family, I will never understand how anyone can possibly defend an animal attacking a human.

But I dont expect others to think the same way, I just ask that they respect my feelings and not allow their animal near me. Is that really too much to ask?

And no, dogs are not people too. hmm

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 13:29:45

Select, I think most dog owners are like you. I hope so, anyway. I wish they all were.

If a dog is well behaved and I get to know it, I can grow a bit fond of it. Mostly, they bore me and I don't really get why so many people want them.

Weirdly enough, I quite like chihuahuas.

I have two dogs and I don't want them doing the things OP describes to me, let alone to anyone else. YANBU at all.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 13:36:09

Exactly, lteve, hazel, on the other hand, human beings...

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 13:40:57

Bogey, Yes they are people, just doggie people with unique doggie personalities, not human people. And oh yes I value my dog way over many human people I know, including some family members.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 13:43:25

Kittens you are making the mistake that all humans are badly behaved, rude, disrespectful etc. I don't think it is fair to tar all people with the same brush. I like dogs, I don't like badly behaved dogs or dogs that have selfish owners who can't see that their dog distresses other people.

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 13:44:32

Ok, Kitten...........if you say so......hmm

Bogeyface Fri 21-Jun-13 13:45:16

you are making the mistake that all humans are badly behaved, rude, disrespectful

Well given that is how she has behaved on this thread, you can see why she would think that.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 13:49:21

I view pet animals as animals I don't anthropomorphize them because they are animals not people. Dogs are not four footed people in fur coats they are dogs, end of.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 13:49:57

To be fair bogeyface, telling someone their house "stinks" isn't exactly being nice, you know.

There has been quite abit of rudness on this thread, as there always is, and there is really no need for it.

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 13:50:05

Dogs are really not people.

And the 6,450 figure is not the total number of dog bites, but the total number of dog bites requiring hospital treatment. The actual number of dog bites is bound to be more than that. But yes it's not the total number of children - sorry, I misremembered. That is 'only' over 1,000.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 13:53:13

Doggies are not any kind of people they are animals they do not have any kind of people emotions they have animal emotions and traits jeezus

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 13:54:14

I have a dog i dont hate dogs but really my dog is a pet an animal and there is no need for my dog to be jumping slobbing all over anybody

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 13:54:27

Dogs are not people too.

Shakey1500 Fri 21-Jun-13 13:56:30

Sorry, haven't read thread but YANBU.

I work with three dog obsessives owner/lovers and it drives me up the wall. Nothing against dogs, I'm just not an animal/pet person.

And when you're sat between three of them hearing how "Benji wenji brought home a little present and OH you should have seen his little tail wagging, he was SO CUTE" With two others also offering tales of pet adventures it makes me stabby at the keyboard.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 13:59:54

but the total number of dog bites requiring hospital treatment.

Yes indeed, hospital treatment including tetnus shots, which you should always have following a broken skin injury.

The actual number of dog bites is bound to be more than that

Yes indeed, but the figure won't be 8.3 Million now will it?

There were also:

550 murders
30,999 assaults using knives and requiring hospital treatment
5,911 firearms offences
10,900 children killed or seriously injured in road accidents

Shall I go on?

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:00:03

Bogey, Yes they are people, just doggie people with unique doggie personalities, not human people

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Thanks Kitten that has really cheered me up!

I love these threads. Utterly batshit grin

I have two dogs. They smell like dogs. They leave hair everywhere. I clean a lot. They are not people. That's just weird.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 14:02:36

Oh, and I found this statement very interesting Wallison

Unintentional injury is a leading cause of child death in England and Wales. Around 2.7 million unintentional injuries that lead people to seek hospital treatment occur in UK homes each year, over 40% of them caused by falls. Half a million people in England are admitted to hospital due to accidental injury each year.
Treating injury costs the NHS over £2 billion a year.
Falls are a major cause of disability and the leading cause of injury mortality in people aged over 75 in England and Wales.

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 14:03:14

Antisecco grin

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:03:54

Depends on your definition of 'people'.
Btw human beings are animals too. Some of you don't seem to realise this!
I'm not making the mistake of thinking that all human beings are bad. Where did I say that? some are, some dogs are bad too. But percentage wise, I'd have to say that the humans win in terms of aggression and fouling the environment.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:04:48

Can I just say as well that I think I must take ownership of the odour factor here (I think I may have started it on p5), and I did NOT use the word stink. I said the houses smelled of dog (far less emotive word ) and put no slant on it whatsoever, or qualitative judgement, just that I am peculiarly sensitive to it.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:05:40

people are humans animals a dog is a being not a person please stop referring to your 4 legged friends as furry people it is just bonkers and this is why dogs have so many behavioural problems sometimes human emotion

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:06:37

Anti- best you can do? Really?

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:08:58

My dog has no behavioural problems, and I can do what I want. She has her own personality and I regards her as one of the people in my family. Why does this upset you?
You are an animal, just as a dog is. Don't you know that?

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:09:22

No Kitten I can do far better just cba wink

5madthings Fri 21-Jun-13 14:09:39

I actually quite long like dogs, unfortunately I am allergic to them, and cars and rabbits, guinea pigs etc, anything furry it seems...

My children have been taught that they must never approach or touch a dog without the owners permission, so I expect dog owners to afford me the same courtesy, ie don't let your dog jump, paw at me or slobber all over me and my children.

Thank fully most dog owners are responsible but I have been unlucky enough to meet a few that are not, the one that let her dog run over and eat our picnic and slobber over the food and terrify two toddlers, whilst saying 'he just wants to play' or the ones that jumped all over ds2 and ds4 terrifying them, given they were great Danes and bigger than the children... Again they were 'just trying to play' or 'being friendly' and 'they wouldn't hurt a fly'....

If I go to someone home I don't expect them to remove their pet from the room (tho my friends do as they know how allergic I am) but I don't want the pet jumping/slobbering on me, just as I won't allow my children to jump and slobber on people.

Oh and I absolutely do not allow dogs in my house, because I AM ALLERGIC!!! This apparently makes me mean (rolls eyes)

Thankfully most pet owners are considerate, thast doesn't stop the inconsiderate ones being any less annoying tho.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:10:48

Don't know what cba is, doesit matter?

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:11:34

Kitten I love you!!! You remind me of Alice from the Vicar of Dibley, one of my all time favourites. Just cannot believe you are the same person whos said to another poster that you wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Bless your little heart!!!

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:12:40

You are not mean not to let dogs into your house. I love them, but I didn't let them in when I had cats.
You would be mean if you came to a dogs house and expect it to be turfed out.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:13:17

cba =can't be arsed.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:14:00

She has her own personality and I regards her as one of the people in my family. Why does this upset you?
You are an animal, just as a dog is. Don't you know that?

I am not upset I am just shocked at somebody who could think of a dog as a person how is a dog a person explain to me how you came to that conclusion cos i am baffled,

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:14:08

I wish had worn deelybobblers at my wedding. Alice's dress was fab.

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:14:58

She is a person because she has a personality, gedditt?

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 14:17:26

Yes, so do guinea pigs, and they're not people either.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:18:36

for your dog to be people she would need to live with other dogs to be classed as people your dog lives with humans therefore not a person,

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:19:11

she has nice dog traits you mean

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 14:19:38

If you can't understand what Kittens is trying to say, then I'm not sure that Kittens is the one with comprehension issues. Her point is very clear.

Her dog is a member of her family with her own distinct personality. She is as important to kittens as the human members of her family and will not be sidelined for guests.

Simple.

Acting dumb to try and make Kittens look like the one with a problem only serves to reflect on yourself.

And FWIW I couldn't give a shiny shit if non doggy people think my house "stinks" I haven't any more time, energy or inclination to do any more cleaning than I already do. It would eat into valuable Vodka drinking time shock which in turn would impact upon my mental well being grin

People who don't like it are quite welcome not to visit. I only let adult people in if they come bearing Vodka or pets anyways wink

Bunbaker Fri 21-Jun-13 14:19:39

My cats had completely different natures (see, I am avoiding the word personality here grin), and I loved them to bits, but at the end of the day, although they were members of the family they were still feline animals not people.

I am leaving this thread for the time being because it is completely bonkers.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 14:21:50

Right behind you Bunbaker

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:26:01

Thanks d0oin, you are your doggies and vodka can visit any time.
I really really am going to do something useful now.

Hercy Fri 21-Jun-13 14:30:37

I wouldn't shut my dog away for guests either. He finds it too distressing (I have done it for a short period before) - he loves people, particularly me and my partner, and doesn't understand why we would shut him away when we're out in the garden or where ever for any significant period.

Just recently we had some of my partner's family came over for a bbq including four boys 7 and under. The eldest has decided he is scared of the dog again and wanted the dog to be shut upstairs, I did this for a while, but said I couldn't do it for long, as I know the dog found it distressing. It was actually his mother who said to let the dog out, her son needs to learn. (this is not some truly phobic child by the way, a couple of weeks ago, he adored the dog, a few weeks before that he was scared etc)

If potential guests are scared of dogs, that's fine, I'll suggest meeting elsewhere. If potential guests are allergic, I would try and be more accommodating, but with a moulting labrador, I would still suggest meeting elsewhere unless I could find someone to look after the dog and give the house a good going over.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:31:48

Acting dumb to try and make Kittens look like the one with a problem only serves to reflect on yourself.

sigh i am not acting dumb I love my dog I don't think he is a person he lives in our house and eats the food we give him doesn't make him a child, people put to much emphasis on furbabies and the like and YOu as a dog behaviourist dooin should know what humans do to animals and calling them people is just bonkers , I am not going to talk about this anymore each to their own and all that but dogs are not the same as a child or any other human in a family home

Hercy Fri 21-Jun-13 14:35:36

Maybe I can put it more succinctly:

"I love my dog more than I love your children".

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:36:03

am leaving this thread for the time being because it is completely bonkers.

wait for me bun jeez this is bonkers

bragmatic Fri 21-Jun-13 14:37:29

Hi, this is bragmatic's dog. I am a person, really. I think that the main issue with you lot is that....oh! Look! Over there!!!!!! >>>>>>>>

<bounds off>

<sigh> Hi, this is bragmatic's cat. We have human traits also. But more of that later. I'm just off to piss on bragmatic's bed.

Because I can

Oh, and dogs are shit.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 14:38:47

Calling a dog a people will have no impact upon it's behavior.

You knew fine well what Kittens was trying to say, but instead of just arguing your point you and Antisecco chose to go all pedantic on her posts picking apart the wording to try and make Kittens look dumb, which is vile, imo.

Attributing levels of human comprehension onto a dog might lead to problems, allowing them to be part of your family will not.

These threads all end the same, with the dog enthusiasts being accused of being crazy or unintelligent by the non dog enthusiasts and yet it's us doggy people who have a problem confused

You rarely see 'us' stoop to name calling and sweeping, insulting generalisations.

This is the reason why I like my dogs more than I like most people. My dogs are utterly non judgmental. They like or in the terriers case dislike, all people equally. Regardless of the cleanliness of their house or their perceived intelligence.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 14:39:21

My dog is NOT a person.

He is much nicer than that wink

Hercy Fri 21-Jun-13 14:41:02

I don't see what's bonkers about not wanting to turf your dog (who most dog owners consider part of the family) for the sake of visitors?

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:44:30

Kitten kept insisting her dog was a person she did it to herself imo she called her dog a person dooin she then insited it was people her wording spoke volumes people who put dogs first and foremost do actually think they are babies they are not, if kitten had said her dog was part of her family nobody who has a dog would have disputed that, and as a dog lover i would have agreed with her, and this them and 'us' bollocks really confused you get dog owners dog non owners then you get dog up on peadstallers (not a word) who put the dogs needs before any body elses and we have all read your threads about how you put your dogs before everything ,

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 14:45:45

oh and while I am at it people who let their dogs jump all over humans is irresponsible

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 14:46:45

And what 'everything' would this be? hmm

Hercy Fri 21-Jun-13 14:50:03

Yes, but is it really that strange for someone to put their dog before other people's children, for example? I wouldn't find it right if they were putting their dog ahead of their own children. But no one is saying that, we're talking about visitors.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 14:54:44

The more humans I meet - the more I like my dogs.

MuttDog has never been passive aggressive, sarcastic, pedantic or vile to me (although her arse is indeed vile after a liver dinner).

RottDog was barky, growly, impossible to train but utterly utterly loyal and protective of her humans. Losing her tore my heart to pieces, and she still figures in our household in photos, videos and memories.

I wouldn't put MuttDog above DD in my affections. She's not my child and DD is my world. I would however put her above most other people. Dogs lives are uncomplicated on the whole. They don't try to pick fault or belittle others. They aren't human but Mutt is certainly better behaved than most children (and adults) I meet. Dogs are worthy of the same considerations as humans in a family setting - they give as much back.

I don't expect everyone to love dogs, that would be stupid. But I don't expect non-dog lovers to be vile to those that do, just because.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 14:56:07

And I think mrsjay may be mixing Dooin up with another poster...

KittensoftPuppydog Fri 21-Jun-13 14:56:12

Hello, just hoovered the whole of the downstairs and this is going on.
I don't think my dog is a baby. I never wanted one of them, always wanted animals.
I can call my dog a person if I like. Makes sense to me. She has a personality.
We are all animals and I think that human beings set themselves too highly above the other animals and this has led to our shockingly selfish abuse of the planet. Do you really still believe that god made the planet for us?
I don't mind if people think I'm daft, d0in, I've got to the age when I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks.
We can all choose who is important to us and who we put first in our lives. Nobody else gets to tell me that.

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 15:03:58

you and Antisecco chose to go all pedantic on her posts picking apart the wording to try and make Kittens look dumb

Well I take umbrage (she says coming back when she had promised to leave!) I absolutely did not do that, I was just having a laugh with her Kittens which she seemed to take in the intended spirit. Anyway Kittens just to put the record straight, I do not think you are dumb (a little 'out there' maybe but nothing wrong with that...and when peopel say similar of me I am chuffed) ) and I am very sorry if I gave that impression (which I apparently did....)

Antisecco Fri 21-Jun-13 15:05:56

I wish had worn deelybobblers at my wedding. Alice's dress was fab.

See what I mean Doin ?

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 15:06:50

And what 'everything' would this be?

you know exactly what i mean,

Labradorwhisperer Fri 21-Jun-13 15:06:59

My, how things have moved on since my first post.

I value the company of both of my dogs. I don't see them as people, because they are not, but they are both living things who depend on me and bring a great deal to my life.

I do find the anti dog posts on here to be generally quite narrow minded because not all dog owners are the same with respect to the boundaries they put in place for their dogs, but it still comes accross as the majority of non dog lovers on here think that we love living in filth, bagging up poop yet not throwing it away and assume that everyone loves our four legged friend as much as we do.

Some of the posts on here have been frankly, offensive and immature.

I, personally, am quite aware that there are people who are phobic of dogs with reason. I also am aware that a dog charging up to a child can be frightening. I have therefore fully trained both of my dogs to recall to me 100% and avoid off lead dog walking in crowded places.

By all means complain about the specific owner who has an unruly dog, just as I may moan to myself about the individuals who approach my dogs without checking first. But don't rant about owners/non owners in general.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 15:14:22

Ah, you mean that I won't rehome my dogs (whom my kids love) and their cat, to move them out of a safe, warm, furnished home into a substandard letting (because substandard is all we could afford) because I have been unhappy?

Nope, I still won't do that.

And FWIW things have been better lately, I have been eating better, exercising more, getting out and meeting new people, I have now have most weekends off, which has had a very positive effect on my mental health and general family life. I have accepted that because I work FT and have college and have the dogs and my own children and most of the neighbors children, most days that my life will never be quiet, my house will never be tidy and I won't have much 'me' time unless I relax my standards a bit. All I need now is for DH to realise that cooking me giant omelettes is not as helpful and washing up and cleaning the yard would be.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 16:09:45

Woah MrsJ, low blow and Not On. There have been enough cuntish comments on this thread. Bringing a posters past across (as you and Katy have) is a shitty thing to do.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:25:54

Threads like this make me want to go out and buy an elephant.

I want a little pony. I saw a man walking a very short horse in the park the other day. It stayed on lead, so I reckon its recall was shit.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:29:47

I bet his sofa stinks chickens.

Or a shark, with wheels and an inverted snorkel attached to a water bag. I'd call him Mr Floofy.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 16:31:31

Dd1 wants to adopt a 'miniature pony', apparently they do exist and they are small enough to live in our yard hmm

Makes a change from her asking for ferrets, hamsters, guinea pigs, fighting fish, tortoises, chinchillas and terrapins I guess. All of which can live her room and she will pay for and care for them all on her own and I am the double of Kate Moss, honest

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:32:55

What do you do with a miniature pony?

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 16:35:45

Save it apparently. She saw an advert on TV and tells me they need saving. It bloody well would need saving if it came here, we have neither the space, time nor money for a pony, miniature or otherwise.

She believes her Avon money would cover it, which she already owes me and she owes me most of what she'll make next month too grin

I asked the man with the short horse, and he said it was a field companion for a big horse. I imagine that the big horse is totally freaked out and thinks it's a mutant, giant horse. The little horse probably thinks it is magic.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:37:21

Are horse like fish? Can you I ly have so many of a certain size in a field, or they run out of oxygen?

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:37:41

Only. Soz.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 16:43:05

DD wants a giraffe. Thankfully my mad dog lady friend has a dog that looks shockingly like a short necked giraffe (or maybe a lemur, or possibly the rat thing from ice age) so she is content.

Used to have a dog that looked like a meerkat - didnt say 'simples' though, sadly.

MarcelineTheVampireQueen Fri 21-Jun-13 17:04:51

Im sorry I agree with bogey and the op, I dont get pets either. But putting dogs before people (at least ones you like) is a bit ridiculous I think we can all agree. ...

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 17:06:21

Going back a bit, what point were you trying to make with your statistics about accidents in the home/on the road, LtEveDallas? I fail to see what relevance they have to the fact that close to six and a half thousand people need hospital treatment after dog bites, which I brought up on a thread about, erm, dogs.

The pup is mostly poodle so walks around on his back legs quite a bit. That's a bit like a meerkat.

mrsjay Fri 21-Jun-13 17:09:00

I didnt say anything I resent being called vile when i disagreed and pedantic when i know I wasn't I was actually interested how 1 person can call a dog a person and be so passionate about it this thread is bonkers and i was just illustrating how some people put their dogs first dooin I apologise if Iupset you or said anything you foundo ut of turn but as I said I didnt actually say anything , you did I am hiding this thread now as It has really wound me up

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 21-Jun-13 17:13:17

Not upset.

I am at work tonight and then off for and whole, entire week. A full 7 days. It would take a lot to upset me today <starts singing Cheers to The Freaking Weekend badly>

Running out of vodka could do it. DH not bringing me caffeine later might do it, but MN won't.

I am well aware that MN has an opinion on pretty much everything I do with my children and dogs, happily, I couldn't care less.

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 17:14:33

How can you hide this thread, mrsjay? It truly is the thread that keeps on giving; I have been reading it open-mouthed and with all of the wonders that the internet can throw at us that is quite something.

LtEveDallas Fri 21-Jun-13 17:20:33

A curly meerkat chickens? Now that I'd pay to see.

I'm sorry you didn't get my point Wallison, I thought it was quite clear. Statistically, there aren't that many dog bites compared to other injuries, or compared to how many dogs are actually registered in the UK. People are 'scared' of dogs but they are less likely to be hurt by them then other, more common causes, but that people arent scared of those other things.

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 17:22:44

Ah right. So I shouldn't be worried about 6.5 thousand bites requiring hospital treatment a year because sometimes people fall off ladders. I see. I shall tell that to the next tragic tot with its face chewed off by some fur-baby.

Wallison Fri 21-Jun-13 17:26:04

Oh and btw I am not a troll; I genuinely dislike dogs and thus my views while unpalatable to some are sincerely held.

oh wow.just got back in and switched on.
didn't realise my thread generate this much interest.

PurpleSwift Fri 21-Jun-13 17:57:17

Meh. Aren't you also being unreasonable by assuming that all dog owners assume everyone is a dog lover...

OneMoreChap Fri 21-Jun-13 17:59:54

Wallison
Oh and btw I am not a troll; I genuinely dislike dogs and thus my views while unpalatable to some are sincerely held.

Sorry, it was just your attitude.

I don't like cats, but I don't make such a big deal about it, nor would I criticise generic cat owners or say I don't get them.

Evidently YMMV

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 21-Jun-13 18:12:13

I don't care if you think your dog is the Dali Llama, just so long as you keep it under control and off of me and my kids.

The vast majority of dog owners do. smile

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 21-Jun-13 18:29:04

Yanbu. I hate the horrible things brushing against me, my dc or my stuff. Yuk.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 18:38:56

What?

A thread about dogs on Mumsnet has upset people?

Quick now, Jeeves, fetch me my very surprised face.

grin

only been mn couple of months.
didn't realise it was such a touchy subject.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 18:48:22

Oh yes grin you will learn padwan

Dogs

Cat Shit

Parking spaces

How often children are bathed

When if ever children should eat chocolate if ever

ALL topics guarantee to force all the joy and sanity in the world to crawl up Mnetters bums and when there die.

pictish Fri 21-Jun-13 18:52:23

Everything is a touchy subject on here. wink

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 18:53:04

Gins not.

We don't fall out over gin.

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 18:53:25

We fall over with though

MarcelineTheVampireQueen Fri 21-Jun-13 18:59:49

Grapes...now there's s fucking contentious issue. Eating them while shopping, cutted up for kids...

But no one complains when the fuckers are stamped on abd turned to wine.. grin

ok. ill think twice about starting a thread on step-parenting too then;)

HoneyDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 19:08:39

We have a special topic for that. It's safe in there. But fgs do not start a step parenting thread in AIBU, you'll be charcoaled. grin

lljkk Fri 21-Jun-13 19:10:02

There are whole websites devoted to DogHaters. sad.

Khaleasy Fri 21-Jun-13 19:11:31

I personally don't "get" people who don't like dogs.
Miserable feckers grin

(I understand how irratating a badly behaved dog is though, so I'm not questioning personal space here)

ok obi wan.
turn to the dark side I shall not.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 20:50:53

I asked my dog. He said that if this is the standard of debate on an internet forum, he was quite happy to do without opposable thumbs. Then he gave me the last few answers to the Guardian crossword and spent 5 minutes licking his arse.

Aetae Fri 21-Jun-13 21:03:12

Orm, my dog's snoring but if he could be arsed doing anything other than sleeping he'd agree with yours grin

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