To expect other drivers to be considerate enough to leave me room to get my baby in the car when they park?

(198 Posts)
VRBennett83 Thu 20-Jun-13 20:09:44

So this morning I went to the baby group I attend every Thursday, had a lovely time, then did a spot of shopping at the local shops before returning to my parked car, only to find a man driving a white van had parked so close to my passenger side that I couldn't get my four month old baby in! I had to climb into the back seat from the other side, whilst lifting the car seat with my little heavy lump in it. I even left the car at a slight angle just in case someone did park next to me, so I would have enough room, but he parked so close I could hardly get it open!

The man returns to his white van whilst I am putting my shopping away. I then start putting my pram down, and he starts inching his bonnet closer and closer to my bum, as he clearly thinks I am inconveniencing HIM and getting in HIS way! I make a point standing up and asking him if I am indeed in his way. He winds down the passenger side window and asks me if I have a problem. I point out that yes, I do. I told him he parked so close to my car that I had to struggle with my baby in through the wrong side of the car. Then what? Ah, yes, he gives ME the abuse! First he tells me I parked there after him. Erm, no mate. I parked up about two hours ago and parked in this space which was clear either side. He goes ranting on at me, I simply repeat that he had parked so chuffin close to my car I had to struggle with my baby and he tells me "Well I am in a van, you t**t". No, seriously. He appeared to believe that his having a wider vehicle meant that he had to give no consideration to how much room he leaves either side for others. He then told me that I shouldn't take it out on him if I had had a bad day. I promptly point out that I had had a lovely day until he came into my life.

I am so proud of myself for not swearing at him mind you.

Is it me or should people give me the same courtesy I give them? I never park in a space if I think it is too close to another car. What if that person was disabled and needed help getting into their car? Or what if, heaven forbid, that person had a baby and needed room to get that baby in the car? The amount of room he left me I wouldn't have got my dog in there! Is it also me being unreasonable to expect strangers to be polite to each other, apologise if they cause offence in some way and treat others as they wish to be treated?

Rant over smile

Saidar Thu 20-Jun-13 20:13:41

I have questions!

a) Were you both parked within the white lines?

B) Does the following sentence mean you were stood in front of his car blocking his exit from the space in which he was parked?

"I then start putting my pram down, and he starts inching his bonnet closer and closer to my bum"

CloudsAndTrees Thu 20-Jun-13 20:13:55

I don't think you have any reason to have a problem with van man.

Take it up with the shop whose car park you were in if they provide tiny spaces or they don't have parent and child wider spaces.

I wouldn't feel the need to apologise to you for the fact they you have a baby and I'd parked within the lines of a parking space.

littlewhitebag Thu 20-Jun-13 20:17:17

If he has parked within the lines then i don't see what the issue is. You don't have special rights just because you have a baby. Sometimes it is a bit of a squeeze. You can't expect people to park in car parks leaving a space between each car. That is madness.

If you parked your car at an angle, does that mean you were not actually parked within the parking bay?

Because I hate it when people park half over the next bay so no one can park next to them.

IsThatTrue Thu 20-Jun-13 20:19:06

I've had to put DS in from the wrong side, I've also had to dump his seat (and him) I'm the boot and reverse out to be able to open the door wide enough to get his seat in. It never even occurred to me to be angry at the people who parked next to me. Shit happens and you deal with it I think YABU

SugarPasteGreyhound Thu 20-Jun-13 20:21:01

YABU I'm afraid, although it sounds as if he could have been more considerate. If someone is parked straight and equidistant between the lines of the bay, what else are they supposed to do? Some cars are wider than others, some bays aren't very generous with the spacing.

Parking at an angle makes life difficult for someone else.

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 20:21:09

How would he have known you had a baby with you? Do you expect people to look for a car seat/isofix base when parking.

Spaces in most car parks are too small these days. If you anticipate a problem park on the end of a row.

CrapBag Thu 20-Jun-13 20:22:10

He was rude and I do try and extend some common courtesy when parking but I do find that I am in the minority. I doubt it occurred to him to check if the car next to him had a baby that needed to get in it, people don't generally bother to think about these things when parking.

However parking spaces do tend to be fairly small these days when there are so many people with unnecessarily big vehicles.

This does not mean that he was not a massive twat though for his attitude. I'm guessing that he parked so close you couldn't open the door on that side at all, even if you didn't have a baby to get in? That's the problem that I am finding a lot these days. I am slim and can squeeze through spaces, anyone bigger than me (a size 10) would not be able to squeeze about so much, but people don't care.

Squitten Thu 20-Jun-13 20:22:40

If he was in the lines then YABU

Sirzy Thu 20-Jun-13 20:22:40

What tantrums said.

And also why did you purposely stop him being able to get out of a space?

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Thu 20-Jun-13 20:24:50

I'm confused

nemno Thu 20-Jun-13 20:26:30

As the others, YABU if he was within his white lines.

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 20:27:08

I don't understand the logistics.

If he prevented you opening your passenger side door it would suggest he was parked next to you.

Why would his bonnet be heading towards your bum though.



1Veryhungrycaterpillar Thu 20-Jun-13 20:27:38

I'm being so dopey, how can he be parked to the side of you then have his bonnet up your bum, go easy on me I'm sleep deprived

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Thu 20-Jun-13 20:27:53

X post

littlewhitebag Thu 20-Jun-13 20:30:24

I assume OP was at her boot folding the pram. He was reversing out and turning into where she was standing.

OwlinaTree Thu 20-Jun-13 20:31:42

YAbu if he was parked in a space. Do you think everybody thinks about whether or not someone might be able to get in the passenger side every time they park? Do you? Honestly?

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 20:33:13

Then he'd have been doing a pretty tight turn and could have taken a wider angle. It doesn't make sense.

Alternatively OP was being obstructive because she was pissed off and standing to the side of her boot in his way.

DebsMorgan Thu 20-Jun-13 20:36:08

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

landofsoapandglory Thu 20-Jun-13 20:37:05

How did he open his van door to get in, if you couldn't open your car door to get your baby in?

How was he supposed to know you had a baby with you? Were you parked in the lines?

When I pull in to a car parking space, usually a disabled one, I never look into the car(s) adjacent to me to see if they may have a baby/child seat in them!


DebsMorgan Thu 20-Jun-13 20:38:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Bearbehind Thu 20-Jun-13 20:40:55

How big is your arse if it got in the way of him pulling his van out?! grin

Lambsie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:41:20

I think one of them must have pulled in and the other must have reversed in so passenger sides were next to each other.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 20-Jun-13 20:41:24

Yabu if he was in the lines.

crumblepie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:42:54

if he was parked within the white lines then yabu , you should of parked in the parent/child spaces they provide everywhere .

ThedementedPenguin Thu 20-Jun-13 20:43:36

I agree with PP.

Yabu as long as he is within his lines.

Also I have on many occasions put my ds in through my side as passenger door opulent be opened wide enough. I wouldn't of got in a slanging match with anyone over it.

Seems a bit childish.


Yes, if he was in the lines he was technically ok. That doesnt mean he shouldnt think and realise it would be difficult for the car in the next space to have its door opened.

People are rude.

gordyslovesheep Thu 20-Jun-13 20:44:10

yabu if he was correctly parked, although he shouldn't have shouted you shouldn't have blocked him

having to climb over the seat isn't hard - next time leave the car seat in the car x

ThedementedPenguin Thu 20-Jun-13 20:44:34

Sorry I meant wouldn't have

CrapBag Thu 20-Jun-13 20:47:36

So for everyone saying that if he was in the white lines then its ok, does this mean that people are still not U if they are both within the white lines but each not in the exact middle of the space, so they are very close together and cannot get the door open on that side?

Technically they are still within their space but if you are too close to the next car then you should show some courtesy and move your vehicle over or if its too big, then find somewhere with more room.

Funghoul Thu 20-Jun-13 20:48:04

This happened to me today. We were both well within the lines, both parked straight, there just wasn't much space. Shit happens, deal with it YABU.

JedwardScissorhands Thu 20-Jun-13 20:51:26

If he was parked in the lines then there was no problem, and you were totally unreasonable to remonstrate and stick your bum in the way of his van (however the logistics if that work - can't really work it out).

People with attitudes like yours give all new parents a bad name. Not all of them expect the Red Sea to part and allow their PFB to pass.

WhataMistakeaToMakea Thu 20-Jun-13 20:53:09

''Is it me or should people give me the same courtesy I give them? I never park in a space if I think it is too close to another car.'' -

YANBU - I agree OP I do the same too. I don't understand why people don't think of others in lots of little every day things like this - it makes life easier to think of the next person sometimes - why wouldn't people want to just be a bit more thoughtful and have others do the same in return?

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 20:56:01

Crapbag. If two cars are parked really close to one another as you describe, there will be heaps of space on the other side. It really wasn't worth shouting about in a car park.

NUFC69 Thu 20-Jun-13 20:58:55

Op, it's a white van, what do you expect? They follow different road rules to the rest of us (just like taxis do!). A few years ago one parked so close to me that there was not even room to sidle sidways down the side of my car to get in - when I asked the driver to move, he suggested that I get in the passenger's side and climb over!

arethereanyleftatall Thu 20-Jun-13 21:00:00

You are wrong. He was right. From your post you make it sound like he was in the white lines, just his car was too big for your likening. You and your baby are actually not the only people in the universe.

VRBennett83 Thu 20-Jun-13 21:01:45

Sorry I have clearly mispoken here - his passenger side wheels were on the line. I couldn't have squeezed in there at all if I had been a passenger. Basically, on his side he had left loads of room so he can open his door fully. His passenger side was to my passenger side. His passenger side was inches from mine.

I had to put baby in the passenger side as that is where the base for his car seat is fixed.

Also, I was behind my car folding the pram but as he pulled out forwards, he turned his wheel so the car angled towards me.

It's sad to see that I am in the minority of people that actually look to see how close the they parked to other people's cars before deciding whether to leave the car there or not. Whether I am within the lines or not, I would not park in a space where I felt my car obstructed the doors of a neighbouring car. What if they had a passenger? I can't count the amount of times I have parked in a space next to another and then realised it wasn't quite big enough for the person next to me to get in their vehicle, so driven round to find another. Sigh.

Shutupanddrive Thu 20-Jun-13 21:02:44

If he had room to get into his van, he couldn't have been that close. Maybe if you didn't park at an angle it might have helped?

Shutupanddrive Thu 20-Jun-13 21:04:00

X-post about the room for him to get in!

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 21:04:37

If they had a passenger then they pull out of the spac and then the passenger gets in, it's fine.

Yes it's annoying to put a car seat in from the other side but do-able and again fine.

VRBennett83 Thu 20-Jun-13 21:04:41

NUFC69 - I thought this afterwards. He's in a vehicle he knows is wide so surely he should be mindful of how close he parks to the next car. I wouldn't have minded if he was smack bang in the middle of his space but he wasnt. He wanted plenty of room on his side, Oh well.

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 21:05:55

If his wheels were on the line your must have been pretty close to being so too.

Sirzy Thu 20-Jun-13 21:08:01

Also, I was behind my car folding the pram but as he pulled out forwards, he turned his wheel so the car angled towards me.

How far away from the car were you stood? I can't see how it would be physically possible to angle towards someone stood close to the back of a car when pulling out of a tight space.

JedwardScissorhands Thu 20-Jun-13 21:09:03

You must have been pretty close to the lines too if he was inches away from your door. Park on the end if you need so much room.

Can you explain what you mean by "parked at a slight angle" please?

kungfupannda Thu 20-Jun-13 21:14:52

When parking with a baby, follow these simple rules:

1) If there is a pillar/wall, park next to it. Even if this means things are a little tight on that side, no-one can park next to you and make it even tighter.

2) Always park fractionally closer to the white lines on the driver's side. Most people will do the opposite, in order to give themselves room to open the driver's door. The car to your right will therefore be reasonably close, but the one on the other side will almost certainly leave a reasonable gap. Use said gap to insert baby into passenger side.

3) Try to park as far from the entrance as possible in order as most people will try to get close.

4) NEVER park in between two empty spaces. This way you have no idea if people will come and park close to you. Yes, someone might move, but you have more control over things if you choose a space in between two other cars.

YABU though. No-one is going to peer in for a baby seat before parking. It's not always someone's fault, either.

I always try to leave enough room where possible, but I use one local carpark where the spaces are narrow and on an awkward angle, so hardly anyone manages to get in to the spaces properly. If one car parks over the lines, the next one has to do the same and so on. This means you can finish up looking like you've parked like a twat when everyone else leaves, leaving your car parked diagonally across two spaces, but actually, all you did was insert yourself into the only available space.

CloudsAndTrees Thu 20-Jun-13 21:17:43

If his wheels were on the line, then he was parked badly. But I don't think there's anything wrong with parking closer to a passenger side thn you would the drivers side. You can always drive out if the space to let a passenger in, and I think you are expecting too much if you want complete strangers to consider whether or not you have a baby that you may or may not seat on the passenger side.

Maybe he was more considerate than you think and thought it would be ok because the drivers side had enough space.

Maybe he has his own reasons for needing as much space as possible to get out of his van.

Turniptwirl Thu 20-Jun-13 21:19:45

YABU! Having a baby doesn't make you as entitled as you seem to think

redrubyshoes Thu 20-Jun-13 21:20:44

Oh my god I have read through this thread with glazed eyes.

OP get a grip - you have a baby NOT a disability. It is a parking space not a right.

arethereanyleftatall Thu 20-Jun-13 21:30:09

fgs, over the years I have lowered babies in through the boot, on the wrong sides of cars, edged out first to get them in, countless times. It really wasn't the end of the world. Do what you need to do, then get over it.

EvenEducatedFleasDoIt Thu 20-Jun-13 21:40:38

Sorry OP, but driving standards in this country are so poor over all that parking too close to another car is really tiny beer. As someone else posted, just get over it and on with it.

Goldenbear Thu 20-Jun-13 21:41:04

YANBU - all that was needed was a bit of consideration and he clearly wouldn't have given that to anyone if he parked his van in a way that allowed him plenty of access. It is just common sense, parking bays are usually not ample so try and accurately park in the middle of them.

He sounds like a very selfish, obnoxious mysoginist, owing to the fact that he felt he had a right to call you a 'tart' over a parking space argument!

Goldenbear Thu 20-Jun-13 21:43:56

'Driving standards in this country' - speak for yourself. Equally, that suggests as opposed to others- where is the nation of top notch drivers and is this categorical evidence you speak of?

LadyFlumpalot Thu 20-Jun-13 21:47:08

I mostly don't park in spaces that look to be narrow. This doesn't have much to do with consideration for others though and more to do with not wanting another dent in my door from someone usually trying to put a kid in their car slamming their door into mine.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 20-Jun-13 21:47:31

You do need to get a grip, sorry.

Parking spaces are small these days and blocking a passenger side of a car is sometimes hard to avoid if no other spaces about.

If you'd had a passenger and they couldn't get in then you'd have got your car out the space and then the passenger would have got in. It's not rocket science.

You managed to get the baby in from the other side, bit annoying but hardly the end of the world.

EvenEducatedFleasDoIt Thu 20-Jun-13 21:49:00

GoldenBear I will indeed speak for myself! Driving standards ARE really poor. That isn't news just in, with the stats re carnage on the roads.
No it isn't a comparative comment at all. We have fewer deaths than other countries yes of course, but that doesn't mean we aren't a nation of really poor drivers.
Having difficulty getting a child on one occasion into a car due to someone's bad parking practices is peanuts. [looking for the 'get a grip' icon. fails]

EvenEducatedFleasDoIt Thu 20-Jun-13 21:49:58

and along come Viva with a cross post grip!grin

Goldenbear Thu 20-Jun-13 21:57:04

The OP said he had parked in a way that allowed him plenty of access to open his door- he was being selfish. Of course it is not the 'end of the world' but the lack of consideration and the outright aggressive 'tart' comment just unnecessarily add to everyday irritations.

'Fewer deaths' on the roads is surely a good indicator of driving standards?

EvenEducatedFleasDoIt Thu 20-Jun-13 22:05:56

Nooo it ISN'T a good indicator of driving standards. Because we kill fewer people doesn't make us 'good'! IT makes us better than the rest (mostly), which isn't 'good'.
Yesterday I waited at lights on my bike and set off on green, only to be hit head on by some ejit who tried to get through to turn right across me, when his light had been showing red for 4-5 seconds. No immediate damage and I stayed upright, announced "You are a fucking cunt" into his wound down window, and rode off. That sort of thing happens a lot. So no, we are truly rubbish drivers. Despite how people self-describe themselves.
Hence the 'get a grip' idea about this stuff. iyswim

grimbletart Thu 20-Jun-13 22:09:24

EvenEducatedFleas: having driven in many countries round the world, I could never bring myself to say we are poor drivers. Yes, there are poor drivers here but talking population-wise there are countries where the standards of driving are utterly horrendous - you mention carnage - some countries give a whole new meaning to the word (sad)

And as usual on MN, anyone who expects anything better than being treated like absolute shite by strangers is entitled.

BackforGood Thu 20-Jun-13 22:13:06

Where the spaces are quite narrow (and I should imagine that's most spaces if you are driving a van) then it makes total sense to park so the passenger doors are close so the drivers can get in and out. The driver can always get in and move the car for the passenger to get in afterwards, but if the driver can't get in, it's more tricky.
Don't quite get the bit about how you were standing in front of his bonnet.

Goldenbear Thu 20-Jun-13 22:13:48

The OP said he had parked in a way that allowed him plenty of access to open his door- he was being selfish. Of course it is not the 'end of the world' but the lack of consideration and the outright aggressive 'tart' comment just unnecessarily add to everyday irritations.

'Fewer deaths' on the roads is surely a good indicator of driving standards?

apostropheuse Thu 20-Jun-13 22:14:02

I would love to know why the colour of his van was relevant. You mentioned that a couple of times in your OP. Would you have mentioned it if it was a different colour or are you anti-white-vans and their owners?
Are you trying to stereotype people who own white vans perchance?

Do you think it's acceptable to have this kind of attitude in this day and age? I'm quite frankly astounded.


Alisvolatpropiis Thu 20-Jun-13 22:15:10

I initially thought ywbu and entitled (sorry) but your second post was clearer.

Whilst of course it isn't the end of the world and you will just have to deal it the moment it would have annoyed me as well. I don't understand why people can't take the extra 30 seconds to park properly. It's between the white lines not on one of them. Hardly brain surgery.

Alisvolatpropiis Thu 20-Jun-13 22:17:10

golden fewer deaths on the road could be just as easily linked to faster emergency service response times as good driving.

I have little faith in the majority of my fellow road users. So many seem to have big expensive new cars that have been designed without indicators for example.

EvenEducatedFleasDoIt Thu 20-Jun-13 22:17:23

oh sure grimbletart tho' as I had said, killing fewer people than others doesn't make us 'good' Just comparatively, 'not really shit'. smile

LittleBearPad Thu 20-Jun-13 22:20:46

Most people will park so that the driver can get in fairly easily. Passengers can always get in after the car is moved. Contrary to OP's expectations most people don't assume a baby will be put in the car and certainly don't check for one when parking.

The OP was parked at an angle, close to the white lines and had a go at the white van driver before he said anything to her.

Yes he shouldn't have called her a tart but she didn't help her case with her behaviour by blocking him in.

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Thu 20-Jun-13 22:24:53

YABU, it isn't difficult to put a baby in a car from the other side. He didn't need to be so rude and call you a tart/twat though. Good manners cost nothing smile

Here, have a wine

Tomorrow's another day. It might be even more shite than today but we live in hope wink

FannyMcNally Thu 20-Jun-13 22:28:27

Love the Red Sea comment grin

As others have said, people tend to leave a gap on the driver's side at the expense of the passenger side for obvious reasons. Maybe change the car seat over to the driver's side where 9 times out of 10 there will be enough space to get the baby in.

Mintyy Thu 20-Jun-13 22:31:45

Sorry, has it been covered? How should people parking next to you know that you have a baby?

Goldenbear Thu 20-Jun-13 23:28:42

The whole 'tart' comment seems to have been totally brushed over by most on this thread, like it's a complete irrelevance. It is really inappropriate and indicates to me exactly the kind of inconsiderate, rude person you wre dealing with. And no, not everyone parks in a way that will give them an advantage in accessibility but others a disadvantage. Personally, I just park in the middle of a space as I don't have an individualistic outlook on life.

SHarri13 Thu 20-Jun-13 23:45:55

Seriously, why are people so bloody mean and inconsiderate to others. If someone has a child seat I try not to park close to the door, it takes seconds and makes someone else's life a bit easier. Why are so many people so fucking selfish these days.

OP, it would piss me off too but one thin I've learnt is not to get arsenal with people re. Cars, it's veichles that give people a sense of entitlement not bloody kids! What gave the van driver the right to look ensure he had enough space, his transit, not his baby.

SHarri13 Thu 20-Jun-13 23:47:31

Minty, look through the widow, car seat, baby stuff, it's really not hard to spot a car that regularly carries a child/ren.

Pitmountainpony Thu 20-Jun-13 23:55:40

MY husband gets back and re parks if he is not positioned in the centre between the lines......he is pedantic on it as he says it is the highest twatishness to park badly. He has influenced me.
White van man being a boorish inconsiderate twit.
Imagine some poor woman may be his partner. How people park tells you a lot about how considerate they are to their fellow humans.

ShellyBoobs Thu 20-Jun-13 23:56:21


he probably took into account the fact that he was close to your passenger side, not driver's side and hence you could have moved your car to make room.

A baby is not a disability.

Would you like to borrow a spare grip? I'm sure I have one you can try.

pinkyredrose Thu 20-Jun-13 23:57:48

sharri13 lots of cars have car seats but don't carry babies all the time.

ShellyBoobs Fri 21-Jun-13 00:01:01

Minty, look through the widow, car seat, baby stuff, it's really not hard to spot a car that regularly carries a child/ren.


OP said there was a seat base, not a seat. You expect people to peer in through windows to check such things?

And as for 'a car that regularly carries a child'. WTF? You're suggesting that van man shouldn't park next to probably half of all the cars in the car park!

AnyoneforTurps Fri 21-Jun-13 00:06:07

I used to have to wrestle 3 under-5s into their seats in the back of a 3 door car. So not really feeling your pain at having to lean across a back seat once.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 00:29:07

Good for you. Did you choose to have three under 5's?

The 'tart' comment says everything to me.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 00:31:22

By all accounts they should've just parked properly in the space. Not hard to do - if you can drive competently!

MidniteScribbler Fri 21-Jun-13 02:38:05

I think the OP lost her moral high ground when she didn't park straight.

IsThisAGoodIdea Fri 21-Jun-13 03:01:46

I can't believe no-one thinks this guy sounds horribly aggressive and menacing. A lot of men out there say things to female drivers they would never dare say to male ones.

I cannot excuse his boorish behaviour OP and would have been cross too.

I am quite anally polite about parking too but, sadly, not everyone is.

Oh, I do actually think you having a baby to get in the car is irrelevant. That's your choice, nobody else's problem.

complexnumber Fri 21-Jun-13 04:19:01

"A lot of men out there say things to female drivers they would never dare say to male ones. "

Ho hum, it's his fault because he is a male.

Mimishimi Fri 21-Jun-13 06:36:50

When I used to park my car (recent prang by DH has relieved us of that moneypit), I never used to notice whether or not the car next to me had a childseat. Usually they don't protrude above the back seat. Only sometimes would I notice them after I had got out of my car but it never occurred to me "Oh let me go and repark the car so that they have enough room to get in" . However, I did try to park in the center between the lines and would always reverse and repark it if I was closer to one side than another. If someone went off at me for not giving them enough room and my car was center-parked between the lines, I'd probably call them a twat too (at least in my head grin). If I had parked on the line, I would probably only mutter an apology because I would be at fault.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 21-Jun-13 06:37:10

"I can't believe no-one thinks this guy sounds horribly aggressive and menacing"

I doubt that the OP ctually said "chuffing" either.

You parked badly and he parked badly.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 06:42:37

Where does it say he called her a tart?

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 06:46:26

When I park my car, I ensure I have enough space to get out of my side. If I am parked passenger side to passenger side with the car next door, then I pay no attention beyond making sure I am within the lines. Back problems mean I need to be able to open my door reasonably wide to get in and out with minimal physical discomfort.

He appeared to believe that his having a wider vehicle meant that he had to give no consideration to how much room he leaves either side for others

Well, a wider vehicle means that he will by default be leaving less space either side. That's not difficult to understand is it?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 07:58:19

Yes but she said that he purposefully left a bigger gap his side so it is not automatically to do with the vastness of the vehicle.

The OP said he called her a t**t, I assume that she meant tart. She didn't say she called him anything. In my mind he has lost the argument in resorting to sexist/mysoginstic insults!

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 08:08:48

He left a gap big enough he could get out. Surely that's what every driver does?

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 08:10:14

Goldenbear most people will leave a bigger space on the drivers side. Passengers can always get in after the car is moved. By definition a van is bigger so will take up more room. The OP wasn't parked straight either and had a strop, I doubt she did say chuffing either. Neither behaved very well.

ChunkyPickle Fri 21-Jun-13 08:12:29

TBH, it was just a bad day - the spaces around here are so small that I've become expert at getting into the front seat from any door of my car, and luckily DS is now big enough that I can post him in to clamber into his seat virtually through a window if I have to (although he'd prefer to ride shut in the boot in the dark... strange child)

However I'm pregnant, and rapidly approaching the stage where those kinds of shenanigans are just not going to be possible, so I fully expect to come back to the car one day and have to sit there and wait for the person next to me to move their car first. It won't be their fault, I'll try to park so that won't be an issue, but it's going to happen.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 08:13:14

Yes but she said that he purposefully left a bigger gap his side so it is not automatically to do with the vastness of the vehicle.

Of course he did. How was he meant to get out? A big vehicle takes up more space in a parking space. Fairly basic stuff.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 08:18:17

In my mind he has lost the argument in resorting to sexist/mysoginstic insults!

I assumed he called her a twat. Because surely no one *s out the word tart? Whilst twat is slang for the female genitals it is an insult used for men and women alike and not insulting her for being a woman.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 08:20:14

Van Man was rude, OP was entitled and, I imagine, passive aggressive by the sound of it. [shrug]

Mintyy Fri 21-Jun-13 09:28:58

Oh am so glad I saw this thread! I am off out shopping soon. Before I park, I will get out of my car and look through the windows of the cars next to the space I want to check if there are car seats/baby seats in there. If there is one in the car to the left of me I will park closer to the right hand white line and vice versa. If there is a car seat in both then I will drive on and find somewhere else to park! If I come back and find a mother with the type of babyseat that you actually take out of the car (for newborns) struggling to get it in the car due to my parking I will be wracked with guilt hmm.

MrsMook Fri 21-Jun-13 09:52:17

I had a different car park next to me the other day during DC1's swimming lesson. They were parked at an angle making it difficult (but not impossible) to get DC2's seat in. I had to lift it over the door and drop it down. DC1's seat means I can't use/ access the other side. Worst case scenario, I have to pull out and then put the seat in.

Had anyone looked in the car (which you don't when manouvering) I don't know how you'd know there is a car seat missing as there's no isofix point (not an old car). Getting in the driver's seat was agan awkward, manly as I still need to be careful with my hips as my PGP is still lingering.

It's a pain, but I chose to park close to the building as it's easier running the risk of bad parking than parking at the far end of the car park and shifting an infant in a car seat, swimming kitbag for two and an overtired tantruming toddler who wants to play with the traffic. (I'm not sure that a Fiesta needed that much space on one side...)

DS1 is passenger side as it's easier for him to climb through (also safer kerb side when parking in a street), and DS2 is behind me so I have a better chance of space when I return to the car.

Sounds like the van driver was a bit of an arse. How arsey he was depends on if he had an option to park his large vehicle in an area of the carpark less likely to cause inconveience to others.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 10:20:47

Looks like I wrongly stereotyped the Van Man involved by assuming he said 'Tart' but yes it must have been 'Twat'- so much better?

I'm unsure as to why common courtesy warrants the hmm face?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 10:24:55

So passive aggressive is horrendous but outright aggression I.e name calling, is absolutely fine?

xylem8 Fri 21-Jun-13 10:40:53

he was io a wide vehicle and therefore can t leave lots oe space on both sides.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 10:44:19

A van is bigger than a car. It was unfortunate but I don't suppose he did it to piss you off.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 11:02:28

Wide vehicle, slim vehicle, tin can vehicle, whatever vehicle just park the vehicle accurately in the space that way you consider others as well.

No I don't park my car to favour my access as I realise that other people exist in this world and I have to live alongside them- it's the fundamentals of a civilised society!

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 11:47:29

So passive aggressive is horrendous but outright aggression I.e name calling, is absolutely fine?

Where did you invent this from?

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 11:53:21

Goldenbear. I don't think anyone is saying the white van man behaved well. But neither did the OP. She made a mountain out of molehill by having a row about the fact she had to put a carseat in from the other side of the car. She could have huffed to herself about it but instead chose to have a row about it.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 11:54:51

Wide vehicle, slim vehicle, tin can vehicle, whatever vehicle just park the vehicle accurately in the space that way you consider others as well.

I guess that includes parking it straight and not, say, "at a slight angle"

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 11:56:37

As an aside, DDs car seat base was always behind the driver's seat as that would be the side with most space to to open the door.

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 11:59:05

We just moved DD's seat to behind the driver seat. It's so much handier.

Cravey Fri 21-Jun-13 12:05:15

Sigh. Here we go again. You had a baby. That's all. It's not special or different. Get over yourself.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 12:05:49

SoupDragon, you along with others have spectacularly downplayed verbal aggression as being 'rude', as if it it is comparable to the passive aggression the OP clearly exhibited?? In fact how was she passive aggressive, she clearly told him the problem?

The reality is a lot of Mumsnetters faced with being called a 'twat' over an argument about parking would be aghast, shocked and offended, some would probably be a bit scared. I am almost sure that a lot of mumsnetters would not have even made the direct remarks to the Van Man but of course on MN she is 'passive aggressive' and 'entitled'.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 12:06:05


SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 12:06:46

Please point out where I said one was worse than the other.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 12:07:36

She is "entitled" because she thinks everyone should give her special treatment because she has a baby [gasp]

thebody Fri 21-Jun-13 12:08:18

Love this thread.

See I blame mother and toddler spaces as this has made anyone who has ever given birth fully expect the whole world to stop in awe and treat them as someone very very special.

Get over yourself op. you have one small baby. Your lucky you can afford a car! I took my 4 on the bus.

OrmirianResurgam Fri 21-Jun-13 12:08:59

To be fair whitevanman probably wasn't aware the car contained a baby as they car seat had been taken out.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 12:11:41

Why would the Driver's side automatically have the most room- surely only if you prescribe to the idea of parking incompetently to begin with?

xylem8 Fri 21-Jun-13 12:15:53

I would give more room to a drivers side if the parking side was so narrow I had to make a choice.
You know there is a driver, there might not be a passenger and in any case the driver can pull out a few feet to let the passenger in.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 12:19:31

The reality is that it is harder to manoeuvre a baby in and out of car, why some people just won't consider that is strange and a completely selfish way to think.

What has it to do with the 'specialness' of babies or what happened years ago?

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 12:22:39

Because most cars don't have babies in them!!

Cravey Fri 21-Jun-13 12:26:44

Just read this again. You parked the car at a slight angle did you ? Slight angle or totally on the piss ? I think you know you are being unreasonable. Come on its a baby and a buggy. It's not that bloody hard. Maybe you should have done what mostly everyone else does and park correctly.

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 12:28:19

If you are going into a tight space then of course you will leave slightly more room on the drivers side so you can actually get out the vehicle!

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 12:34:05

I don't!

I see the OP is yet to clarify exactly what she means by parking at a slight angle?

golden I don't understand what you are getting at.

It may be slighty more work getting a baby out of a car.
But what do you want other drivers to do?
Not park next to a car that may have a baby in it at some point?

If you park your car at an angle, the person in the space next to you cannot park properly.
People park like this all the stop people parking in the space next to them.

If there isn't a lot of space and there's a possibility that the driver of the car might have a baby, what do you want other drivers to do? Go home?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 12:53:44

Yes that's what I'd like them to do - 'go home'?? I think a good start would be parking accurately in a space. Being aware of how you impact on others is important in my mind. It is really a good thing that a lot of people don't have this individualistic outlook on life as society would not be able to function.

It is completely unacceptable to call someone a twat so casually.

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 12:57:34

It was the Op who hasn't parked properly!

But golden it was the OP who parked at an angle.

So in that situation, what should he have done?

And clearly the Op was aware of how her parking impacted on the space next to her. That was why she did it. So she could get her baby out easily.

Never mind anyone else then eh?

Technotropic Fri 21-Jun-13 13:49:47

What sort of van was this? A Ford Transit will fill a space with less than a foot to spare either side. If the next car up has parked off centre then you often have very little choice but to park tight up to another vehicle. At least it was your passenger side OP and not the driver side as that is a real pain (been there before and ended up with a gearstick up my backside climbing over lol).

Personally I try not to get upset over such trivial matters. It really isn't worth it.

Off topic but isn't the theory still to put baby seats in the rear? Wouldn't have a problem then.

josephinebruce Fri 21-Jun-13 13:52:06

Am new, so forgive me if speaking out of turn. I have a wide car with massive doors that unless there's significant space each side I can't open them wide enough to get out - so I tend to park (within the lines!) so that I have space on the driver's side. I don't notice what's in the cars next to me and wouldn't even think of checking for baby seats etc.

The man in the van sounds rude - but he could just have been frustrated - people do get frustrated by bad parking. However, he could have parked somewhere else, unless there were no other spaces, of course.

The main issue, as far as I'm concerned, is that shops and car parks have spaces that are too small and not fit for purpose.

Technotropic Fri 21-Jun-13 13:54:26


Agree. Costco is the only place I know that provide excellent spaces with ample room for all vehicle types.

pianodoodle Fri 21-Jun-13 13:57:08

I've only just noticed this thread. Car parks wars!

I feel in this case the van was on the line but not over it so that probably justifies a bit of passive-aggressive bum blocking but not a verbal confrontation.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 14:36:20

only if you prescribe to the idea of parking incompetently to begin with?

You mean like the OP did?

Parking within the white lines of a parking bay, straight and with more space on the driver's side is not parking incompetently.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen Fri 21-Jun-13 15:01:55

Eh. It's all just just about trying to one up each other in car park wars IMO.

I have DTs. Yes, it's bloody hard to get them in the car.

You didn't park well, it's difficult with a young babe, he parked appropriately and you were both rude.

YABU to expect people to look for baby seats when they are parking. That's ridiculous. YWBU to park on an angle then complain about someone else's parking.

YANBU to find it frustrating. It is! I've wanted to scream on more than one occasion. But it's no one's fault and this was all unnecessary.

He WBU to call you a twat, but he had a point about not taking how frustrating driving with babies is on him.

Accept that this is just an annoying part of life, there are much better things to get upset over.

redskyatnight Fri 21-Jun-13 15:56:26

Surely nobody looks for cars seats in neighbouring cars when they are parking? If it’s just a seat base/booster it’s really hard to see anyway. And how many people look in neighbouring cars after they’ve stopped and subsequently move their cars to accommodate?

Even if you did see a car seat that’s just evidence that the car is sometimes used to carry a child, not that the child is physically with the driver at the moment.
My work car park is full of cars with car seats in. I doubt that any of these people have brought their children to work.

I think the van driver was rude. But so was OP.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 15:58:55

I disagree SoupDragon, the lack of precision demonstrates a certain level of incompetent, lazy driving.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 16:02:15

Resorting to aggressive name calling trumps the forthright approach of the OP in this scenario- it is completely out of order.

JollyShortGiant Fri 21-Jun-13 16:09:55

I bought a car with sliding doors partly in order to avoid this issue. Once DC2 arrives I'll be able to get baby and toddler in their respective sides of the car with little hassle.

It is a very wide car and if I'm parking in a tight space I will try to make sure that I leave space at the driver's side of other people's cars.

The forthright approach?

What do you mean golden it's ok to park like a selfish twat as long as you have a baby but no one is allowed to call you on it?

Funny logic there, for someone so concerned about people being considerate and aware.

IShallCallYouSquishy Fri 21-Jun-13 16:27:07

My DD's car seat is behind passenger side. At home I park my car with passenger side merely inches from a wall. Every time we go in the car I put her in from the wrong side. Done this since her first trip out at about 10 days old.

I don't see the problem personally. However he didn't need to give you abuse but at the same time there wasn't any need to get arsey with him either.

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 16:31:06

I disagree SoupDragon, the lack of precision demonstrates a certain level of incompetent, lazy driving.

Does that apply to the person who parked at an angle in the parking space?

JenaiMorris Fri 21-Jun-13 16:40:25

I tend to give vehicles with child car seats plenty of room, in an attempt to escape them damaging my paintwork when they swing their doors open.

I dunno if the OP is bu or not though. Parking at an angle gets on my nerves, but van driver doesn't sound terribly nice.

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 16:43:40

Golden you are taking this very personally. You aren't even the OP.

I am happy for you that you always park immaculately however in many car parks, with the best will in the world this isn't possible due to previous parkers, size of space and increasing size of cars. Why is this upsetting you so much?

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:45:01

I disagree SoupDragon, the lack of precision demonstrates a certain level of incompetent, lazy driving.

So, Goldenbear, you think that the OP is a lazy incompetent driver?

plainjaney Fri 21-Jun-13 16:46:44

redskyatnight I look for car seats when I'm parking DH's car, its in a lot better condition than my old heap and from experience of having the door dinked by someone swinging their door wide to put a baby in I try and avoid them.
If I'm in mine I'm not so bothered but given a choice of a couple of spaces I'll always choose the one thats not next to the car seat for those reasons.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 16:47:45

I'm intrigued, Goldenbear, do you use a ruler to ensure you are parked precisely in the middle of a bay? What sort of error margin do you find acceptable? If you have a wide vehicle where it would be impossible to park centrally and exit the vehicle, is it acceptable to park it off centre at all?

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 16:50:05

If I'm in mine I'm not so bothered but given a choice of a couple of spaces I'll always choose the one thats not next to the car seat for those reasons.

How can you tell from your car which cars have car seats in?

plainjaney Fri 21-Jun-13 16:52:50

How can you tell from your car which cars have car seats in?

Well, its difficult......I look at the car....wink

Obviously if they have taken the seats out then I can't tell, but if I see a car with kids sun blinds or hanging toys etc I dont park next to it unless I dont have a choice.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 16:53:05

The OP did this because there are so many inconsiderate drivers out there. If I saw a baby car seat or baby paraphernalia or a sun screen in a regular car park not a work car park, I would not park incredibly close to the car but I'm obviously 'odd' in my consideration of others.

Having a baby doesn't make you special but along with other groups of people, I personally wouldn't have any qualms about having extra consideration for this group and this is what I will hopefully pass on to my children despite it being a dying quality.

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 16:55:12

The OP did this because there are so many inconsiderate drivers out there.

Perhaps the van driver did it because so many people are inconsiderate and he knows he needs more door room to get in his van.

It seems your quick to defend the OP but vilify the van driver when the OPs parking was worse.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 16:58:36

I'm a pretty good driver and don't find it hard to park big cars, small cars and vans SoupDragon

Littlebearpad, I just have an opposing view to yourself.

How on earth did you come up with that one golden?

The OP was forced to park like a year because she knew there were so many inconsiderate drivers in that car park?

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 17:04:03

I'm a pretty good driver and don't find it hard to park big cars, small cars and vans SoupDragon

Neither do I. However, I do find it tough to break the basic physical laws which apply to size of vehicle and space of parking bay. Are you saying you can?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 17:06:49

No, because she anticipated people parking incompetently with no consideration for someone with a baby in the past, I would imagine. This man parked arrived and parked afterwards so he shouldn't have parked so close to her. He's obviously an idiot if he did this and called her a 'twat' for his mistake!

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 17:08:10

It is rather amusing that Goldenbear thinks it perfectly acceptable fr the OP to park badly but not the van driver.

Almost as amusing as the fact that this was, apparently, the OPs first post.

Oh for crying at loud.

She parked at an angle. She began the chain of inconsiderate parking that led to this catastrophe.

So, maybe the van driver was anticipating her selfish parking

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 17:09:29

Right. So it is OK to be an incompetent parker if you are anticipating other incompetent parkers.

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 17:12:10

So you are saying Goldenbear that you would park dead centre of a parking space regardless of where the cars either side were parked?

I also assume you would be parked dead straight too, regardless of the angle you need to use to park.

You must take AAAAGES to park. But at least you're precise.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 17:13:01

I don't need to break any 'physical laws' to ensure I don't park a van incredibly badly, like the man described by the OP.

Sirzy Fri 21-Jun-13 17:13:18

Apparently so Soup. Or more accurately its ok to park however you like if you have children but everyone else should make sure they park exactly how parents want irrespective of if this means they cant get out of their vehicle.

Yes soup if you drive into a car park and think there may be other inconsiderate people you may park like a selfish twat.
But. Only if you have a baby. And a car seat.

Otherwise you have to check every single vehicle and only park next to a car that has no car seats. And you must park so the person with the car seat can open both doors fully, regardless of whether you cannot get out and have to crawl through your boot to exit.


LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 17:15:42

He didn't park badly. He was in his space. He would not have been fined for parking as he did.

X posts grin

golden can you possibly explain how the can driver was parked "incredibly badly"?

FannyMcNally Fri 21-Jun-13 17:16:11

I'm intrigued as to how you can see in other people's cars before you've actually parked. And once I've parked there's no way that I would get back in my car and move to another spot because I'd spotted a baby seat that may or may not have a baby returning to the car before me. And then what if it happened again? And again? I'd lose the will to live.

Considerate parking doesn't extend to imagining who might need to get in the car next to us. Why stop at car seats? Am I supposed to move my car if I see empty Krispy Kreme donut boxes in the next car because it might belong to a large person who needs a lot of room to get in? What about if I see a pack of incontinence pads? Should I move because they might belong to an old person who needs more room than most to manoeuvre in and out? Parking in the middle of the space is the best you can do. Parking at an angle is inconsiderate to others. users.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 17:17:43

So, lets imagine a van 18 inches narrower than the bay. You would be able to park it centrally with 9 inches of free space on either side and still get out of the door?

PrincessScrumpy Fri 21-Jun-13 17:18:37

Try having twins and two car seats to get in... I've had to put them in through the boot before. However, if he's within the lines then yabu why should he check to see if you have an isofix base. Plus reversing vans is actually tricky.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 17:18:50

Well, inspector Clouseau, the OP is not me. My youngest is 2 years 2mths, we are just in a minority of considerate people, it seems.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 17:19:55

Did anyone say you were the OP? confused

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 17:20:57

FGS why do you care so much!

golden if your idea of considerate is to park however you want just in case an inconsiderate person is around, then that is what you are.

Thankfully you are a minority.

plainjaney Fri 21-Jun-13 17:21:52

fanny if you cant see something like this when you pull alongside it I think you need a trip to specsavers grin

Admittedly not all are this obvious and if I got out of the car and then saw a child seat I wouldn't be arsed to get back in and move it. But if I did see evidence of a child in the back I'd reverse out and pick another space and only because I'm quite selfish and don't want my car bashed.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 17:23:05

No I'm not saying that Littlebearpad, in saying if I arrived at a space after someone, I'd judge the gap and park so it allowed the same space on either side. I certainly wouldn't block access for someone with a baby- i'd be an inconsiderate twit if I did that!

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 17:24:49

Not so obvious with privacy glass though although some godawful 'little princess on board' sticker may give it away but I see where you're coming from.

OP, should you ever come back, park on the end of a row.

And once again. Was it not inconsiderate to park at an angle?
Is it inconsiderate to block someone from actually getting their vehicle out because you are pissed off?

Is it really inconsiderate to park a van in a parking space within the white lines?

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 17:26:41

But this might mean you're actually way over to the left or right of the space based on where the existing cars are. When they leave you could still look massively inconsiderate.

FannyMcNally Fri 21-Jun-13 17:28:01

I see your point janey, that's a big seat! and I'd probably see more if I drove a bigger car. Sitting in my Yaris, I can't see above most other cars' door handles let alone through the windows!

plainjaney Fri 21-Jun-13 17:34:56

lol Fanny, yes I guess it does depend on your ride height as well, you are quite low in a Yaris.
As I said though if I see dangly things in the windows and blinds I avoid, but it is just because I'd rather not get a dent.
Most of the time I head for the back of any car park out of the way anyway. Always seems less hassle.

When mine were small I didn't have a seat you took out and if someone parked next to me I became an expert at tucking small wriggling child under an armpit and swinging them into the backseat from the drivers seat. I'd lean over the seat and fasten them in that way but it was rare as even then I'd head for the back of the car park.

mum11970 Fri 21-Jun-13 17:36:47

For crying out loud, from what the op describes it sounds like the van driver had reversed in his bay and the op was parked bonnet in, and was considerate enough to leave room for the driver on his other side to get in his car. It is damn impossible to leave ample space on both sides and it makes more sense to leave room for a guaranteed driver to get in than a possible passenger.

HaveTeaWillSurvive Fri 21-Jun-13 17:44:32

Oh dear, regardless of what the van driver did or didn't do I'm afraid you'll have to get used to this as not everywhere has parent and child parking / decent sized spaces. Don't park at an angle - this would really piss me off and what if it stops someone else being able to use the space next to you? VU I think.

What I do is park at the end or next to a pillar wherever possible or squeeze DS in the driver side and pull out then move him over.

MortifiedAdams Fri 21-Jun-13 17:48:14

OP if you had to lift the carseat in, then presumably it wasnt IN the car as an indicator of there being a baby in the car.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 18:14:10

Littlebearpad, why do you care so much to keep making a counter point- it's just the same thing but I'm in the minority.

Soup, you implied it, otherwise why would I suggest you were Inspector Clouseau? I just don't agree with you so distract from the point and imply I'm the OP- classic MN.

golden you are really going out of your way not to answer my question so I shall ask it agAin in case you missed it.

Do you think the OP was inconsiderate for parking her car the way she did? Because if she had not parked at an angle then this fiasco wouldn't have happened would it?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 19:18:19

I did answer your question although why you feel I am obliged to do so is beyond me? You didn't like the answer and said I was being inconsiderate in being considerate or some such nonsensical response.

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 19:21:25

Yes, you said the OP parked inconsiderately because she anticipated the lack of consideration of others confused.

So if you expect other people to be inconsiderate then you can park however you like.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 19:36:46

Soup, you implied it, otherwise why would I suggest you were Inspector Clouseau? I just don't agree with you so distract from the point and imply I'm the OP- classic MN.

Er, no I didn't confused You've just put your own interpretation on something. If I thought you were the OP I would have said so.

And actually, you didn't address the Inspector Clouseau comment to anyone specifically. I am many things but I am not psychic or a mind reader.

You didn't. But ok.

It's bizarre tbh.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 19:49:42

I did. LittleBearPad explained my response and found something equally quizzical about it.

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 19:51:35

It's 'bizarre' that somebody thinks differently to you?

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 19:58:43

No I didn't address the Inspector C comment to anyone but you were the first person to respond to it and yet you thought it was addressed to everyone.

No it's bizarre that you think the OP is entitled to park in a way that caused this whole thing.
And that she is then in the right to complain about the other person.
That is bizarre.

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 20:09:00

No I didn't address the Inspector C comment to anyone but you were the first person to respond to it and yet you thought it was addressed to everyone.

And? I asked whether anyone had accused you of being the OP. how does that mean I am implying that you are? confused

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 20:59:06

How can she have caused the whole thing? A man that is so quick to call someone a twat would not hesitate in blaming her if he thought that she was at fault but he didn't which suggests he was an inconsiderate, shit parker.

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 21:01:47


Ok golden

I don't have the energy any more because you are determined to put all the blame on the poor mother with a child who couldn't get out of the car park.

But I hate people who park at angles so people cannot use the next bay properly.
It's inconsiderate, it is selfish and very twattish IMO

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 21:16:21

I'm not putting any blame on the mother?

You sound very angry about something of nothing. You 'hate' people who park at angles. Do you think that is a proportionate response?

LittleBearPad Fri 21-Jun-13 21:36:36

Golden have you had a bad week?

SoupDragon Fri 21-Jun-13 21:50:56

LOL@ Goldenbear asking whether someone else thinks their response was proportionate smile

Goldenbear Fri 21-Jun-13 22:05:15

It's been a fine week thanks.

Angle parkers hated by all it seems!

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