Following on from worst au pair job in the world AIBU

(95 Posts)
Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 18:56:14

I think I may just have found another. Come on Mumsnetters. Lets send some emails to this ridiculous advert. £25 a week pocket money to do childcare for a 4 year old. £25!

http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/au-pair-4-months-summer-job-by-sea-woolacombe-to-look-after-4y-old-boy-help/1022523111

YouTheCat Thu 20-Jun-13 18:57:45

They must value their child so much hmm

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 18:59:58

Thanks. I sent a response. Are you looking for a slave? I didn't put in a real email though.

IneedAyoniNickname Thu 20-Jun-13 19:00:22

I have less than that to spend on myself per week.after.bills etc. Sounds lovely to me... Not!

Loulybelle Thu 20-Jun-13 19:02:48

25k a week, seriously!!!!

Notgoingto Thu 20-Jun-13 19:02:51

Yeah that sounds awful, especially next. To really fun-sounding ones like this one www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/au-pair-in-france-near-paris-2013-2014/1018686077

Loulybelle Thu 20-Jun-13 19:03:02

25k = 25 quid

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 19:08:22

I wrote "Do you think this is enough money to do the most important job in the world, caring for a child? Your child deserves the best care, not the best best bargain." I think people love their homes so much, they consider people lucky to get to live with them

coughingbean Thu 20-Jun-13 19:19:24

I read it thinking it sounded lovley.
Then I got to the pay shock

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 19:23:16

There are some great looking au pair summer jobs. If I wasn't busy this summer already I would certainly apply.

wplum Thu 20-Jun-13 19:23:21

I replied! I feel rather proud of myself now, absolute jokers they are!

WilsonFrickett Thu 20-Jun-13 19:25:47

God, I'd do the French one! obvs DH and DS would miss me, but still

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 19:39:00

I started the other thread. I didn't realize what a stir it would cause!! I can't believe how many horrible and cheap people are putting ads on Gumtree.
$25 a week!!! Surely it's a typo?? confused Even back in the Middle Ages when I was an au pair no one made that little. I pay a lot more than that for dogsitting, and I'm paying more that that for a teenager to water my plants while I'm gone for a week!! I'm going to email the people. I'll let you know if I get a response.

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 19:44:46

And for those of you Mnetter's who have a DH here's a double slave position www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/live-in-au-pair-couple-required-to-live-in-jersey-part-of-the-british-isles/1003422740#photo-content where you get to buy your own food. Tossers!

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 19:49:41

There are some lovely ones.

A really nice family will be in London for the summer and need someone to help them with some light Housekeeping, cooking braekfast and dinner, occasionally supervising their 6 year old and helping with the elderly mother in law. The mother in law is very capable, but needs a little assistance with walking around the home etc...
You will be staying in serviced appartments in Kensington, so the housekeeping load is very little and you will have your own room and bathroom. You must be a willing and cheerful person.

Hours: 12 hours with a break and some occasional babysitting
6 days a week
Salary: £400+ net p/w
Accomodation: Your own room and bathroom in serviced appartments
Start Date: 5th July until 13 September
Interviewing: ASAP

To apply for this position you must have at least 4 years experience in the UK and have a cheerful disposition.

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 19:50:21

But I suppose I am viewing them from the perspective of holiday job rather than my full time career.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 19:52:28

Cromer, the monstrous sexism in that advert upsets me more than the slave labour!

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 19:53:17

That last one is incredible. Not only the slavelike conditions, but the way she has no regard for Internet safety!

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 19:53:49

Cromer?? I typed "crikey".

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 19:53:58

Woah honeystep. That's such exploitation.

The pay is £210/week for both of you (not each) but you will have to buy your own food out of this money

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 19:54:36

Yes, the mass of personal info is a bit odd too

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Thu 20-Jun-13 19:55:07

I didn't like they way they called it it 'Pocket Money' are they seeking to employ a 9 year old?

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 19:56:05

I mean, the Jersey Island one

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 19:56:44

But I'm most distressed that the "female" has to do the breakfasts and childcare, while the "male" does manly stuff outdoors. He does clean the house, but if he wants his wife to do that instead as well as all her work, that's ok too.

Sleepyhoglet Thu 20-Jun-13 19:57:20

Also, re the jersey ad, why is it relevant that english schools in jersey are very expensive? Ok...so tell us you have lots on money, then offer a ridiculously low wage. I also know how expensive food is in Jersey.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 20:01:27

I was wondering that too. Does she expect the au pairs to teach the kids English, as the schools are unaffordable??

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 20:03:09

There's a real winner out there if you're looking for a job in Brighton. 120 a week for live-out, 12-13 hours a day four days a week. But you get "free food" while working. When the parents go off on trips together you get to run the show, despite not living with them. But according to Daisy it's a really great job because the kids are lovely. If you say so Daisy...
The slave couple job pans out to $105 a week per person minus food. Minimum wage for au pairs is $75 per week, and I think most people can't live off $30 worth of food a week. What the male au pair is asked to do is outside of the au pair guidelines. What these cheapos need is a gardener. The room doesn't cost them any extra wether they have one or five au pairs in there.

BridgetBidet Thu 20-Jun-13 20:03:50

This one's even better:

www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/au-pair-wanted-for-summer-sailing-in-the-croatian-islands/1022029536

3 months sailing round the med from Croatia on a yacht in exchange for doing a bit of light housework and babysitting.

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 20:04:14

I was also thinking the food there must be costly. And why post a picture of yourselves (the mom and dad)? Maybe some disgruntled employee has posted this in retaliation

IneedAyoniNickname Thu 20-Jun-13 20:05:00

That Jersey Mum sounds odd! the bit about the daughter being on the trampoline like a 4 year old! And the island is 5miles wide, they live in the middle.so a car is a must?based on that the beach is 2.5miles away. I live 2 miles from town.centre, often walk much further, as do dc. Not sure why a car is essential!

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 20:10:12

How the heck are you supposed to take care of your own food on a boat??? They want a photo because they only want someone who'll look good in a bikini.
Honestly, I can't think of anything more unsafe than going on a sailing trip with a bunch on strangers and their brats kids.

ZZZenagain Thu 20-Jun-13 20:11:16

Jersey - she wrote they needed to speak good English and then mentioned that English schools are expensive there. I think she is assuming non native speakers will apply since her current couple are from Hungary and is warning them that they wouldn't be able to afford English courses at a language school there.

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 20:13:33

How is the female Jersey au pair supposed the watch trampolining Alice, cook, clean, do laundry and iron at the same time??

ZZZenagain Thu 20-Jun-13 20:14:26

maybe the aupair isn't to join in family meals so the food is there on the boat but she needs to fix her meals herself?

Don't think I would want my dd being an au pair to people I don't know tbh

BatmanLovesAllan Thu 20-Jun-13 20:16:14

Everything about the Jersey one irked me:

* the casual sexism
* the low wage
* the arrogance of the statement "one tank of fuel is enough for a month", implying if you need any more you're clearly yahooing about the island
* the picture of the mum and dad - nobody cares what you look like
* the constant lttile stealth boasts re: money, juxtaposed with some really stingy comments (petrol, food etc)

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 20:22:54

Also it's 6 days a week because DH likes to time to himself on Saturdays. Plus 2-3 nights babysitting. The microwave and fridge are in the bedroom because yup, that's where the au pairs will be cooking and eating. And forget about paying for language school, because you won't be able to afford it on whatever's left after buying your food.
One tank of petrol a month!! Is this to be used for school runs too?

I want to go to the one in France!

gindrinker Thu 20-Jun-13 20:32:19

Do people think au pair is just another name for cheap nanny/ slave?
I thought the idea was 'youngish woman, maybe on a gap year (before or after uni) to look after the children before and after school, load the dish washer and put the laundry on. Sort of like an exchange student. During the day they'd go to college and learn English or learn about UK culture by drinking coffee with other au pairs, be fed and watered by the family and treated like a guest?'

frillyflower Thu 20-Jun-13 20:37:02

I feel quite upset that some poor couple might have to do that Jersey one. Some people are just vile.

Notgoingto Thu 20-Jun-13 20:40:32

The picture of the mum and dad in the jersey one is awful, too. Does she think she's fooling anyone with that massive fake diamond necklace?

Sleepyhoglet the London one was sounding good until I realised it was 72 hours a week plus some babysitting. But you do get "breaks" what, to o to the toilet?

Optimist1 Thu 20-Jun-13 20:42:56

Original advert has been withdrawn from the website - well done, MN activists!!

IOnlyNameChangeInACrisis Thu 20-Jun-13 20:49:50

Peeps, why are you going to the effort of messaging the deluded people who've posted the ads? Like any market, if the ad/job sucks, no-one will apply for it.

frillyflower Thu 20-Jun-13 20:49:56

The Jersey dad had a very well polished face. Just saying.

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 20:50:22

I wonder if any of these mothers are on MN?

JacqueslePeacock Thu 20-Jun-13 20:55:51

Because we're afraid people will apply for them! Perhaps if enough people message the advert-posters, they might get the idea they need to start paying a living wage...

ZenOfPetals Thu 20-Jun-13 21:00:11

If one of the mothers from Gumtree stumbled upon this thread, would they feel mortified, or justified- as in, "But my house is SO lovely, and I have worked so hard to get it! But my kids are so lovely, and such little work"

whois Thu 20-Jun-13 21:03:47

Fuck that jersey one is redic!

frillyflower Thu 20-Jun-13 21:08:36

I just the the thought of some poor couple cooped up in their bedroom microwaving some food they have bought for themselves while mr and mrs Shiny Showoff swan about. Ugh.

MrsHuxtable Thu 20-Jun-13 21:10:03

The French dad is hot!

LilacPeony Thu 20-Jun-13 21:12:31

My husband likes to have some time off at the weekend so both of you will look after the children on a Saturday morning from 7am to 1pm.

Presumably she wants to lie in and shag during that time too, so why make out it's just the husband who doesn't want to be bothered by the kids until 1pm?

BatmanLovesAllan Thu 20-Jun-13 21:14:28

There is something about that Jersey lady that really rubs me up the wrong way.

bbcessex Thu 20-Jun-13 21:18:44

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel that it's very unwise to post some like:

"This is my child, his name is William. He leaves at school at 8.00am. everyday - sometimes his little brother is with him"..

I just feel that posting that much detail, along with a very clear photo of young children in their school uniforms is asking for trouble.. Although I accept that its unlikely they will be targeted, when posting for childcare myself I've been very very careful not to give any 'recognisable' details...

LilacPeony Thu 20-Jun-13 21:19:11

I interpreted the Jersey English lesson thing as "You had better be fluent in English already as if you think we are funding you to learn English then think again."

HoneyStepMummy Thu 20-Jun-13 21:28:23

Actually I'm more concerned about the young people advertising to be an au pair ( Please don't link any of their ads on here). Most of them are very nice looking, obviousley a bit naive, speak terrible English and are a bit desperate. Not only am I concerned that cheapos looking for almost free childcare will exploit them, but they are putting themselves at risk for sex trafficing.
I know a girl who runs an licensed au pair agency. Since the parents are paying the agency and have to abide by their guidelines they very seldom have problems with either the parents or au pairs.

InViennaWeWerePoetry Thu 20-Jun-13 21:35:15

The SAHMs wanting au pairs to work 35+ hours a week looking after their children really bug me. Why bother having children if you're just going to leave a badly paid au pair to play with them, take them places, put them to bed etc AND on weekends? confused

Mintyy Thu 20-Jun-13 21:40:52

The Jersey one works out at £3 per hour. I don't know if its just me, but I consider that to be just a leetel bit cheap from a couple who live in Jersey and have a pool.

Mintyy Thu 20-Jun-13 21:46:21

"Do people think au pair is just another name for cheap nanny/ slave?"

Yes, I think they do.

I honestly believe that some people think they can advertise for an au pair when what they actually want is a nanny and cleaner or gardener. I think they think they are being terribly clever to sidestep the expense of employing a qualified nanny, when what they are actually doing is exploiting people and only getting away with it because there isn't proper regulation of this sort of work.

I have many friends who employ au pairs. They work part time hours of less than 25 hours a week and get other benefits from living in London - usually learning English and having some fun away from home. As it should be.

expatinscotland Thu 20-Jun-13 22:12:56

That gumtree is allowing these ads is shameful.

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 20-Jun-13 22:20:12

The jersey one re schools, i think she means the au pairs won't be able to afford english language school as its too pricey, so will need to be fluent when they arrive.

Pocket money is a standard phrase in these ads tbh

InViennaWeWerePoetry Thu 20-Jun-13 22:32:00

The host family is meant to pay for language school aren't they?

Mintyy Thu 20-Jun-13 22:46:32

That is certainly how it used to be Vienna.

Aupair worked mornings or afternoons and spent the other half of the day at language classes.

I see that's all changed on Jersey and thereabouts.

IgnatiusSprat Thu 20-Jun-13 22:56:12

Are you experienced with luxury clothing? Used to looking after luxury clothing? Do you wish to work for a family dripping with luxury clothing? This is for you!

IgnatiusSprat Thu 20-Jun-13 23:02:19

Oh God you've got me addicted to Gum Tree now, I can tell this is going to replace Trip Adviser in my obsessive internetting....

Is this legal? £80 p/w? Seems crazy!

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 20-Jun-13 23:04:54

Vienna, I've had au pairs for several years. None of them have ever expected it, no agency has ever suggested it and none of mine have ever mentioned any of the others having it paid for. Where we are it can be £500 per term, so it may be that this changed as the costs went up?

My aps have told some awful stories about other aps' jobs here - one girl was working for pilots and at 18 after only 3 weeks I'm the uk she was expected to look after 3 kids under 6 for 48 hours while their parents were away shock

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 20-Jun-13 23:08:13

Sprat, any live in position like this is usually exempt from national minimum wage, the logic being that the free accommodation value makes up for the salary, I think.

IgnatiusSprat Thu 20-Jun-13 23:10:33

Bit creepy this one...

I cannot imagine anyone having the gall to offer this sort of crap money then saying 'You have your own toilet.' Some of these ads... Jeeze. There's one on there asking people to work 60+ hours a week for £250 p/w. Er, no thanks!

IgnatiusSprat Thu 20-Jun-13 23:13:06

"Pocket money" of 80 p/w!!!!

Sorry, I'll shut up now confused I had no idea that people were allowed to do stuff like this. It's shite

Yamyoid Thu 20-Jun-13 23:13:07

The Jersey dad looks like a character from The League of Gentlemen.

Yamyoid Thu 20-Jun-13 23:19:17

Ignatius, that one is creepy.
How many times they mention appearance and nothing about the children. Or maybe the dogs are the children!
And terrible grammar grin

I've just emailed the Jersey fuckers and called them some choice names.

Cunts.

Yamyoid Thu 20-Jun-13 23:23:44

Hahaha grin laurie!
Some awful people in the world just out to take advantage of others less fortunate sad

foreverondiet Thu 20-Jun-13 23:30:51

A good rule of thumb about the "wages" is that the accommodation food and having no bills is worth about £100 - £150 a week.

So say £120 + £80 "wages" = £200. Say £7 - £7.50 is reasonable for someone not very experienced.... so around 25-28 hours a week would be reasonable.

A live in job for 50 hours a week on that basis would be (£7 x 50) - 125 so around £225 cash.

The £80 for 50 hour looking after 2 year old is £4 an hour and hence unreasonable.

Wereonourway Thu 20-Jun-13 23:34:59

laurie "jersey fuckers"

I've just pissed my pants at that, I missed the ad, it had disappeared when I clicked link.

Also agree luxury clothing family will be nuts.

I have been a live in nanny and always loved the family I worked for, knew I was lucky etc but boy I realise it now after reading these beauts!

Whippetwarmer Thu 20-Jun-13 23:50:41

I can still see the Jersey fuckers link when I click on it.

humdumaggapang Fri 21-Jun-13 00:30:17

Those sorts.of wages were average really when I was an au pair at 18. I always felt it unjust but I wanted to be in America and away from my parents so I put up with it. Annoys me now.

Why does Jersey bitch need 2 au pairs? That's just greedy. Lazy cow.

humdumaggapang Fri 21-Jun-13 00:40:23

Also why is babysitting 2-3 evenings a week? Do they ever see the kids?

dilanddan Fri 21-Jun-13 08:58:46

Jersey parents must think they're Princess Di and Charles... their eldest son is "William" and youngest son "Harry"... Just saying

Toffee noses!! I really hate the snobbery of those requiring au-pairs, seriously; you might be minted, but if you're going to have children, look after them yourself!! (or use nurseries and play schemes like the rest of us "commoners")

CruCru Fri 21-Jun-13 10:17:03

Problem is, people don't seem to realise how dangerous it is to leave small children with an unqualified, inexperienced teenager. I would have been really frightened to be left with a small child when I was 18.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 21-Jun-13 10:23:52

Dil all kinds of us use aps - all you need is a spare bedroom. We always choose people over 25 and our last aps have been qualified teachers from eu countries just fancying a gap year.

We are horrified by some of the stories their friends tell - one was given a caravan to live in - in the front garden in a city sad anyone could have found out she was in there and broken in.

megsmouse Fri 21-Jun-13 10:27:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NicknameIncomplete Fri 21-Jun-13 10:35:37

Did i mention i luvs luxury clothes and have experience in luxury clothes.

Hmm i might apply for that one.wink

The Jersey one asks for a photo, is that normal? I'm assuming if the applicants are not attractive enough (or fat or disabled) she can save herself the bother of responding.

cory Fri 21-Jun-13 11:52:45

What we need is something like that agency Lord Peter Whimsey used to run, you know the one where dodgy adverts would get answered by the likes of Miss Climpton and her younger colleagues.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 21-Jun-13 11:52:55

Totally normal to have a photo - the agencies all provide them.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 21-Jun-13 11:53:17

Cory, yes, the cattery?

ZZZenagain Fri 21-Jun-13 11:55:16

I don't find it unreasonable to ask for a photo. I suppose it helps you get an impression of what the person is like - that in combination with a phone call. If you are interviewing in person anyway or using skype, I agree it doesn't seem very important.

The one with the photo agency which placed so much emphasis on looking good was odd though.

BarbarianMum Fri 21-Jun-13 12:06:27

<<Problem is, people don't seem to realise how dangerous it is to leave small children with an unqualified, inexperienced teenager. >>

But not all 18 year olds are inexperienced w. small children. I started looking after the children of the local piano teacher for 9 hrs a week when I was 14. She was around (giving lessons) while I did the after school playing, cooking and serving dinner, bathtime routines, so I had help on hand in case of emergency. By 18 I had a lot of hours experience of hands-on, solo care (there never was an emergency) and was perfectly confident and competant to au pair.

InViennaWeWerePoetry Fri 21-Jun-13 14:26:04

Certainly with FDD the language barrier was as much as a lack of experience with looking after children. It's all very well babysitting on a regular basis, but being left alone with a small child 35+ hours a week in a strange country where neither of you can really communicate with each other properly is another issue altogether.

InViennaWeWerePoetry Fri 21-Jun-13 14:34:22

This one I really don't get: "The mum returns to work in September from maternity leave, she will be working 3 days per week and the other 2 days she will be around the house a little. The role is entirely sole charge though." Why would you want an au pair to have sole charge of your children the days you're not working? hmm

fromparistoberlin Fri 21-Jun-13 14:48:07

i emailed the slave couple twatters

I could say so so so so much more but really restraining !!!!

IOnlyNameChangeInACrisis Fri 21-Jun-13 16:36:25

There are a lot of people out there who don't understand that the difference between an au pair and a nanny ISN'T just live in/spending money vs actually proper salary.

Is that photo one an au pair for the dogs? Or children? Or a way of employing someone for a photography business without having to pay them properly?

HoneyStepMummy Fri 21-Jun-13 17:08:35

I think the creepy one is looking for a live in luvvver/swinger/sex slave or someone to do porn with. I'm sure it doesn't cost that much to hire someone to work in photography. Either that, or it's a creepo who will snatch the lucky candidate's passport and force them to work as a prozzie and live in their cellar shock

Meringue33 Fri 21-Jun-13 17:22:49

Agreed, Honey it's some sort of code isn't it sad Ughhh!!!

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