To want to take a bottle of water on the nursery trip?

(88 Posts)
Kyrptonite Mon 17-Jun-13 23:25:39

Bit of a random one! I'm 28 weeks pregnant, work in a nursery and we are going on a trip Wednesday on a coach. It's only an hour/hour and a half away but this pregnancy has been making me feel sick even on short car journeys so I am dreading the coach trip.

I asked today if I can take a bottle of water to drink on the coach if needed. Apparently I'm not because then the kids might want a drink too. I understand this but I'm hormonal, stroppy and really don't want to be sick on the bloody coach!

I also have SPD so the idea of wandering around a sodding aquarium all day with no chance to sit down may be adding to my stroppiness about this!

Am I being unreasonable and do I need to suck it up and accept its not a huge journey and if I'm sick I will just have to deal with it?

CloudsAndTrees Mon 17-Jun-13 23:26:48

Of course you should be allowed to take water! I would and I'm not pregnant!

What? Why did you even ask? You're an adult. Take a bag. Put drink in bag. Drink it if you need to.

and so should the kids!

Startail Mon 17-Jun-13 23:32:48

Then surely you just smile and say no you don't want grown up germs.

I'm never car sick, except when PG when I feel awful if I'm not driving. I would certainly want a drink and the front seat as seeing where you are going generally makes it better.

That's appalling - for you and the children. God forbid anyone should need a drink on a 60-90 minute journey.

Jan49 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:35:02

YANBU. But TBH if I were you I'd say you can't go on the trip. 7 months pg plus SPD = not wanting to sit in a coach and wander around an aquarium. Can you tell them you can't do it or go sick?

If I had a child of nursery age and they were going on a coach for up to 1.5 hours I'd want water to be available.

sallysparrow157 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:35:28

Hmm... You have a drink and the kids want one too versus you vom into a tescos carrier bag in front of the kids and the ones feeling a little sicky on the bus all start vomming too.... Why did you even feel the need to ask? You are an adult, not a nursery kid, you are allowed to drink water without putting your hand up and asking miss! (Not ranting at you but at the crapness of being treated like a child when you're an adult)

Willowbear Mon 17-Jun-13 23:39:21

Of course you should be allowed to take water on the bus, and as for the children wanting to drink it they should all have water with them too.

Kyrptonite Mon 17-Jun-13 23:42:24

I can't get out of the trip. I contemplated being signed off but I can't afford to be! SIL has it worse. She's 30 weeks pregnant, high risk for prem labour and still has to go. I'm counting down the weeks until my maternity leave.
I was asked if I could rearrange a physio appointment Friday as someone had annual leave and she couldn't have anyone else off. Turned up for work Friday and she had authorised someone else to have Friday off the day before angry

jessjessjess Mon 17-Jun-13 23:44:34

So the kids want a drink and you say no. Problem solved.

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 02:33:55

Good grief, what it is about restricting water to human beings? Our school rules changed quite a few years ago and children now actually have a drink bottle on their desk which they can swig from whenever necessary. They can also refill it whenever necessary. Water is a basic human necessity!

I'd start talking about the workplace relations tribunal if someone told me I couldn't drink water when I needed to.

piprabbit Tue 18-Jun-13 02:47:25

Why did you think you needed permission? It wouldn't have crossed my mind to ask - I'd have just put the bottle in my bag.

Kyrptonite Tue 18-Jun-13 06:35:10

I don't even know why I asked her. I'm just going to take a bottle of water.

claraschu Tue 18-Jun-13 06:44:29

What happens if you get stuck in traffic? My daughter's school trip took 3 1/2 hours instead of 1 because of an accident on the motorway. Don't you have water for the children? That is terrible. It is torture sitting on a coach feeling thirsty for hours.

ShadeofViolet Tue 18-Jun-13 06:44:31

I would be packing my child with a drink for the coach. 90 minutes is a long time on a coach and Wednesday is supposed to be hot.

What if the children start feeling sick?

Kyrptonite Tue 18-Jun-13 06:55:58

We have drinks in their lunch boxes which I imagine will be used if we are stuck in traffic. I get the logic- 40 2-4 year olds drinking on a coach without a loo but at the same time it does seem a bit off.

exoticfruits Tue 18-Jun-13 07:09:22

I'm surprised you asked! Take a large handbag, take a bottle and drink when you need to, they won't even notice if you are discreet.
Failing that tell them that you mentioned it at an ante natal appointment and they told you that you should take water.

HollaAtMeBaby Tue 18-Jun-13 07:49:31

YANBU. You do know t's illegal for them not to give you time off for antenatal appointments? I'd be asking the GP to sign me off from now on, personally - and the same goes for your SIL.

Sparklymommy Tue 18-Jun-13 08:02:02

Dodgy ground your employer is on here! Firstly, water should be readily available at all times to the children, whether on a coach or not! And I think your antenatal appointments should trump someone's annual leave. I would definitely mention it to your midwife.

pigletmania Tue 18-Jun-13 08:05:41

Yanbu at all you and te kids have every right to water. I hope that they are going to bring their water. Just pop it in your baht and sip it if you need. Appealing beaviou by the nursery manager

Aetae Tue 18-Jun-13 08:07:26

I don't understand. Are they seriously suggesting that you are not allowed to have water and you are seriously contemplating listening to them? You're an adult, why are you even asking??

Is the concept of "mine" and "yours" (and "people have different needs") not something useful for these kids to understand? Why on earth if you have a bottle of water does it have anything to do with he children?

exoticfruits Tue 18-Jun-13 08:11:16

I don't understand why you asked- you are an adult employee and not a nursery child. I think the DCs should have access to water anyway.

KentishWine Tue 18-Jun-13 08:12:02

Children on an 1.5 hour coach journey in summer(ish) with no water?! Is that even legal? It's going to be 27 degrees in London on Wednesday.

I'm never without a bottle of water. Anyone who told me I wasn't allowed it would have to fight me for it.

This is pretty outrageous actually.

childcarehell Tue 18-Jun-13 08:14:29

Take it, drink it....what will they do???? Like to see that disciplinary go anywhere

whois Tue 18-Jun-13 08:30:03

Agree OP you should just take a bottle with you, not something you need to ask about. If you think it will help you stop feeling sick its not really negotiable.

Pretty funny all the 'I always have water with me' posters though, you do realise that human beings are not balanced on a knife edge between hydration and dehydration? You should be perfectly able to go for period of time without sipping at your comfort bottle.

TheFallenNinja Tue 18-Jun-13 08:32:44

Why would you even ask? It would take some pretty hard, Bruce Lee type to tell me I couldn't take water.

This sounds like one if those petty coach company rules where the driver moans about doing the work that pays his wages.

Fuck em.

KentishWine Tue 18-Jun-13 08:34:26

whois why on earth should I not drink water if I want to? Water is not a treat or luxury. It's a basic necessity. You get thirsty, you drink. I hate being thirsty. Like really, really hate it.

samandi Tue 18-Jun-13 08:54:06

I'm also baffled as to why you would ask such a thing.

MiaowTheCat Tue 18-Jun-13 09:57:21

There's no way I'd have been begging for permission to take a bottle of water with me shoved in my bag (and I've done enough school trips in my life). There's also no way I'd have been asking for permission for the other components of the assorted multitude of crap I cart around in my handbag either.

As for kids and water - yes I understand the "I need a drink-itis" reason - but to be honest - once they're on the bus, belted in and on the go - they're going to be so bloody hyper looking out of the windows - they won't notice if you've stripped to your bra and knickers and sprouted four heads, never mind sipping on a bottle of water on and off.

Fakebook Tue 18-Jun-13 10:06:00

grin I can't believe you asked if you could take water, and I can't believe they said "no"! No one can stop a person from drinking water. It's a basic need.

Are they thinking of restricting water for the whole day so there's no loo trip or nappy changing?

Absolute bizarre!

exoticfruits Tue 18-Jun-13 10:23:09

Just be assertive- turn up with your water and say it is essential and you are taking it.

Can you imagine the headlines 'pregnant nursery worker disciplined for drinking water on a coach'?!

GiveMumABreak Tue 18-Jun-13 10:30:26

I think its really strange that you even asked permssion!

Take a handbag, put your water bottle in it and drink when you are thirsty.

You are an adult.

Surely you don't need MN to tell you that?

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 10:31:44

I think you should be able to have water, obviously- you're pregnant and will feel sick without it.

But I am deeply baffled that people don't seem to be able to survive without constant water nowadays- the companies that produce mineral water have done such a number on us!

UC Tue 18-Jun-13 10:37:17

Good lord. Both you and all the children should be allowed to take a drink. How daft. In fact, I'd have thought that bottles of water on a coach in the summer would be a must. Not a ban. Stupid.

KentishWine Tue 18-Jun-13 10:50:40

Curlew I'm deeply baffled that some people think a hot coach journey should be a matter of survival. I mean I'm sure I could survive a 1.5 hour coach journey on the hottest day of the year without water, but I really wouldn't want to.

I bet if we were on the coach together you'd be asking for a sip of my water wink

And I have my own water carrier so I don't have to buy a plastic bottle everyday.

I would be livid if my 2yo couldn't have constant access to water on a long (for a 2yo) bus trip! You, at least have the option of just taking a bottle in your bag anyway.

I can't believe the reason they have given you is that the kids might want a drink! That is horrid, I hope all the parents are aware that this is the case.

spg1983 Tue 18-Jun-13 11:17:43

Firstly I would never have even thought of asking to be allowed a drink on a coach - you are an adult!

However, if they'd said no, my answer would have been "ok, in that case I'll drive myself and meet you there, no problem". The nursery would either have had to give in to you because they need you for the ratio of adults to children or they'd have let you drive and you don't have to deal with the "I need a drink/wee/are we there yet" all the way!

spg1983 Tue 18-Jun-13 11:25:32

One of my colleagues did this on a school trip. She was going through fertility treatment at the time and I can't remember exactly what it was she needed (it was something small, like a window being slightly open etc) and the trip leader said no, just as the coach was pulling out of the school gate. My colleague got the driver to stop, she got off, and walked back to her car. She followed us there but it was a dodgy situation as technically she should have been in the coach for the ratio to be correct. No-one ever messed her around on a trip again!

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 11:27:53

Obviously nobody here has ever been on a coach trip for an hour with a group of nursery children will have "constant access to water". Particularly if there isn't "constant access to a loo" as well............

Altinkum Tue 18-Jun-13 11:28:15

So the kids aren't allowed a drink even if they are thirsty, as a parent I'd go mad at this....

As a adult in a work force you're employer cant dictate when you go for a drink or not.

Floggingmolly Tue 18-Jun-13 11:31:23

The kids should be having a drink too hmm. What sort of nonsense is this?? Why did you even ask, though, I take a bottle of water everywhere and would never have imagined I needed permission from anyone?

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 11:33:28

There may not be a physical need to have water at all times, but why do civilised adults think that they should restrict another persons right to access water whenever they see fit?

Curlew No, but I have been with my nearly 2yo on a bus and a car for that time and there is no way I would have stopped him from having a drink and when hot he would have needed one.

It is sheer lazyness to restrict a childs access to water because they don't have constant access to a toilet, most coaches do have 1 toilet.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 11:42:09

A drink before they go- a drink when they get there. Are you really saying that it is essential to have access to water at all times?

For some, yes it is. At least offered a drink every 15-30 minutes.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 11:47:16

"My child fell down and hurt his knee because he had to go to the loo on the coach during a nursery trip. It was only an hour AIBU to think the nursery staff should have made sure he went before they set off? I really don't like the idea of him out of his seat belt on the motorway, even without the fall"
Chorus of "what were the staff thinking of- of course they should be strapped in at all times- if they pee before they set off and as soon as they get there most children can last an hour...:,

Nanny0gg Tue 18-Jun-13 11:48:30

I can't believe they're taking nursery children on a coach for over an hour anyway.

Trip from hell, imo.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 11:50:26

"For some, yes it is. At least offered a drink every 15-30 minutes."

Well, for those with medical needs like the OP, then obviously.

So you need to have a medical need to be thirsty and worthy of a drink? That's ridiculous.

Chunderella Tue 18-Jun-13 11:54:13

Apparently its beyond some posters on this thread that some people are thirsty more often than others. It must be down to mineral water marketing, even for those of us who have been like this since before the ad campaigns existed. That must be true, because the alternative would be that not everyone on the planet has the same thirst levels as curlew and whois. And we know that everyone has precisely the same appetites where food is concerned, so of course water is the same. Fucking hell...

And OP why were you even asking if you can take water? Your employer is a dick and is skirting very close to the fringes of the law. I'd get your GP to sign you off, or talk to your midwife about the trip at very least.

Fakebook Tue 18-Jun-13 11:56:57

How are you supposed to deny toddlers and pre schoolers water? 1-1.5hrs isn't a lot to an adult, but it's flipping long in baby time. If they can't be arsed to change a nappy or take a child to the loo, then quite frankly, they shouldn't be taking them on a trip. 40 children on an outing, they'll spend 70% of the time in the toilets no doubt. And an aquarium of all places. It's going to be hot and sticky in there. Good luck to them.

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 12:12:48

If my son fell down and bumped his knee going to the toilet on the bus, I'd think nothing of it. If my son got heat exhaustion from being denied wateron a hot day, then heads would roll.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:15:32

Of course people have different levels of thirst! But do you really think that everybody should have completely free access to water at all times, whatever they are doing? Do you think it's a really bad idea to say to a child- we'll be there in 10 minutes, you can have a drink then?

They're not trekking across the Sahara- they are in a probably air conditioned coach. Frankly, apart from anything else, I would rather my child waited for a drink than he had was taken to the loo on a moving coach.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:17:15

Oh, don't be silly. Heat exhaustion? Because he went a whole hour without a drink??????

As I said, well done, water marketers. Actually, we'll done Nestlé- they ar one of the biggest ones.

There's a major difference between 10 minutes and 90! And not all coaches have working air conditioning and I assume they can't open windows because of the toddlers?

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:20:05

Well, if they had a drink before they set off, I presume they wouldn't be desperately dehydrated within minutes of getting on the bus?

Most coaches that transport children are air conditioned, because they have to be newer ones that have proper seat belts.

Viviennemary Tue 18-Jun-13 12:20:39

I don't agree with constant access to water if there is not constant access to a loo as well for small children. But there is no question that you should take your water. Just tell them it's medicinal. Whoever planned the trip should have made it to somewhere a bit nearer.

Kyrptonite Tue 18-Jun-13 12:21:47

Wow I didn't expect so many replies! Kids get in at 8:30 to get on coach at 9 so will ensure everyone has a drink and trip to the loo before getting on the coach.

Water is ready to go in my bag for tomorrow grin

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 12:23:23

Where I live, it can get to 40 degrees on a hot day. Damn straight I'm not telling anyone they can't have a drink of water when they want it.

Btw, we don't allow packaged water. Reusable bottles and water taps here. No money in the hands of the evil corporates.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:24:32

You can only hope that the children aren't reduced to little piles of their dessicated chemical components by the time you get there...........

If they are, I suppose you can drop the piles into the aquarium and see if they reconstitute.............

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 12:25:28

Kids having a drink before they get on the bus are going to be more likely to need to use the toilet midway through the trip than children allowed to sip during the trip who will then need to go after the trip.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:25:45

"Where I live, it can get to 40 degrees on a hot day. Damn straight I'm not telling anyone they can't have a drink of water when they want it."

Well, that is a bit different to a warm day in Basingstoke........!

KentishWine Tue 18-Jun-13 12:26:57

But do you really think that everybody should have completely free access to water at all times, whatever they are doing?

Yes, absolutly 100% yes. Why on earth not?

ArabellaBeaumaris Tue 18-Jun-13 12:30:14

Are you the OP whose manager is her MIL?

Chunderella Tue 18-Jun-13 12:35:49

Good to hear you recognise that people have different thirst responses curlew but your post at 10.31 rather suggested otherwise. And yes on a coach trip on what will be a hot summer day, they absolutely should have access to water. A coach with a loo should be booked if this is necessary.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 12:44:59

It most certainly didn't!

I just think that this idea that we have to drink all the time is a fantastic marketing coup. It is perfectly fine for a person of any age in normal health not in 40 degree heat to go without a drink for an hour.

I notice that nobody is addressing the side issue of children needing to be unstrapped to go to the loo in a coach.

Chunderella Tue 18-Jun-13 13:11:01

Yes it did and you're still doing it. Let's assume that when you expressed bafflement at people needing water to survive, you meant frequent drinks rather than water per se, as the human need for water in order to not die is quite widely agreed on. You then attributed this to water marketing, and continues to do so. This displays lack of understanding, or at least of acknowledgement, that some people suffer without drinking extremely frequently, and did so before such marketing occurred.

As for the seatbelt issue, how do you want it addressed? Unless each child is strapped onto their own individual toilet, yes they will need to be unstrapped. This is infinitely preferable to being denied any water on a hot coach for 90 minutes. By all means if you take a different view, ban any DC of yours from ever being unstrapped for the toilet on a coach journey.

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 13:15:14

FFS, they're children, not prisoners of war. Let them have a drink of water if they want one.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 14:15:02

I refuse to believe that anyone in normal health who had had breakfast, with a drink, then another drink before setting off on a trip at 9 in the morning,would be in even the remotest discomfort if they then had to wait an hour before their next drink. Unless they are in 40 degrees of heat, obviously. And I would be amazed if a coach considered suitable to transport nursery aged children did not have air con.

Presumably your children do not wake up parched with thirst after 10 hours sleep? Or do you wake them every 30 minutes through the night to ensure optimal hydration?

Whether it's remotely sensible to take children this age such a long way on a trip is another question.

Chunderella Tue 18-Jun-13 18:57:28

DD is only 10 months and alas, does not need any prompting to wake in the night for a drink. When she's old enough to drink by herself without needing to wake me up (desperately waits for the day) I shall send her to bed with a large glass of water, as I have myself, and then she can do as I do and have a drink when she's thirsty in the night. She's certainly thirstier in the warm weather, since you ask about her hydration habits, and I suspect would be even worse if she were to sleep in a moving coach in 27 degree heat. As I've so far managed to avoid putting her in that situation (because yes, this trip is not a sensible idea for little ones) I don't know if she could go 30 minutes, or indeed the 90 that these children will be required to put up with. They will probably also move more than my DD does when she's asleep.

As for your first sentence, well you need to start believing. Because I would be, and I'm in good health.

ohnoudidnt Tue 18-Jun-13 19:23:47

Yanbu take some water smile

trinity0097 Tue 18-Jun-13 20:02:25

I am a teacher and been on numerous trips, the kids hardly bat an eyelid at us bringing out a decent packed lunch rather than the school offering, or having drinks/choc/cake etc when they don't!

McNewPants2013 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:12:49

If my child wants a drink, they can have a drink.

What gives a nursey worker the right to refuse a child a sip of water, even more to say to a pregnant women she cant have any either. I think some one os on a power trip.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 22:17:47

I do find this thing about water fascinating. Nobody would say that a child should be able to eat a sandwich wherever and whenever they want, and their human rights would be infringed if the teacher said "no wait til break, you can eat your sandwich then." Nobody thinks you should be able to eat in the theatre, the classroom, the library, in church, in shops- anywhere you like. But somehow drinking is different. Why is this?

Euphemia Tue 18-Jun-13 22:23:48

What nonsense! I'd just have taken whatever I wanted on the bus and not asked anyone.

exoticfruits Tue 18-Jun-13 22:25:08

I wouldn't want to try and take nursery aged DCs to the toilet on a moving coach. Also I am not sure where you would be if you had an accident and the parent thought they would be strapped in for the journey.

McNewPants2013 Tue 18-Jun-13 22:26:32

curlew i can go without eating, but if i dont drink enough water then i start getting headaches that leads to me feeling sick and dizzy. I also get a dry mouth that then leads to a sore throat.

curlew Tue 18-Jun-13 22:29:54

Does that mean that, if you're not pregnant and suffering from travel sickness, you can't go an hour without a drink?

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 18-Jun-13 22:31:56

Why did you ask???

That's just barking - you are an adult and one that is about to become (if you aren't already) a Mum and you asked if you could take water with you?

Chunderella Wed 19-Jun-13 10:18:22

Personally I just never go an hour during the day without a drink, certainly not 90 minutes. Especially not on a hot day in a coach! Whether pregnant or not. I'm surprised that this idea seems to be such a shock to the less thirsty on this thread. After all, those of us who drink lots of water aren't expressing incredulity at people who can go hours with nothing, however bizarre we find that habit ourselves. It surely isn't news to anyone that some people have different thirst responses to others, is it?

As for curlews point about water v food. Firstly, water is more important than food. You'll die without water much quickly than you'll die without food. Same is true of getting ill (and as this thread descended into what's needed for survival long before this post, no complaints about being dramatic please). Water can also fill your stomach somewhat when you're hungry, whereas food doesn't stop you being thirsty unless it's food with a very high water content. Secondly, water is less messy. I personally would have no objection to people who really needed to eat, particularly pregnant women and children, eating in any of the venues you mention. Obviously I would expect them to do all they can to avoid damaging anything or disturbing anyone. I could hardly do otherwise, as I ate through a church wedding ceremony when heavily pregnant- it was the hottest day of the year and it was the only way to stop myself getting dizzy and falling over. There's an argument that people should go outside where possible, but of course it won't be on a coach. Additionally, drinking makes less noise than eating so is less likely to disturb others, and usually takes less time. Lastly, it is normal to be thirsty more often than one is hungry.

curlew Wed 19-Jun-13 11:16:00

" After all, those of us who drink lots of water aren't expressing incredulity at people who can go hours with nothing, however bizarre we find that habit ourselves. It surely isn't news to anyone that some people have different thirst responses to others, is it? "

An hour. Not hours.

Chunderella Wed 19-Jun-13 12:15:37

Some people happily go hours, though. I assume you were aware of that? The point is that those people have different thirst responses to me, yet I do not find this fact implausible.

curlew Wed 19-Jun-13 21:30:33

This is getting silly.

Nobody is suggesting that anyone should be forced to go hours without a drink. Nobody should go hours without a drink! I am saying that a normal healthy person who has had a drink for breakfast, another drink shortly before getting in the bus should not have a problem with going for an hour before their next drink. The recent obsession with constant drinking is a) scientifically unnecsssary and b) a triumph of the marketing industry. Almost as great a triumph as their success in convincing many of us that tap water isn't good enough and we need to buy expensive, environmentally damaging bottled water.when we have a water supply that three quarters of the world would give their right arms for,

Balaboosta Wed 19-Jun-13 21:38:53

How did you get on today, op?

Kyrptonite Wed 19-Jun-13 21:42:36

I took my water. No one said anything. Kids had water before we left and as soon as we got back.

Trip was hell. It was hot, so busy and I felt claustrophobic which I've never done before. I ache like I've never ached before and I have to be in work at 8 tomorrow morning. On the plus side however we didn't misplace any children and I managed not to pass out which I thought was going to happen!

exoticfruits Wed 19-Jun-13 22:10:55

And on the plus side it is over!

Chunderella Fri 21-Jun-13 09:26:06

It's getting silly because you keep missing the point curlew and also appear to think yourself some kind of hydration expert. You have evinced no evidence at all that healthy people ought to be able to go 60 minutes without a drink and no discomfort, and none for your new claim that nobody should go hours without a drink- some people happily do! Absolute bollocks, with no scientific basis at all, and you just made it up.

Glad it went ok OP. Maybe think about opting out of future trips before your ML starts!

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