To wish that child free flights existed

(179 Posts)
1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:01:41

I'm just sick of people complaining about children making noise on flights so I'd love it if those people could have a flight of their very own and leave us to it! I'm not talking about allowing kids to run amok but so fed up with people tutting and sighing when a baby starts crying, this always seems to result in the mother getting more stressed and more tears all round

TurnThatFrownUpsideDown Mon 17-Jun-13 14:05:19

I've only ever been on a plane twice in my whole life (from Glasgow to London and back again), but aren't there special tickets you can buy that seat you in the 'quiet' area of a plane?

I can remember causing quite a scene on that flight... My then 1yo daughter turned round in her seat to look at the people behind, and managed to get her head stuck between our chairs. I couldn't stop laughing. Neither could she! Everyone was horrified and mumbling. She was quickly wriggled out by a very kind attendant though.

neunundneunzigluftballons Mon 17-Jun-13 14:10:03

Yes my mother was talking recently about how people should have done something about a 2 year old who shared a flight with them and cried all the time. I pointed out to her that more than likely someone was doing something about it and short of opening the door and dropping the child out what did she suggest. She just mumbled something about being too little for flights which made me laugh since she would have flipped if her daughter hadn't taken her infant kids half way across the world to visit her. Ignore complaints air travel is one of those things that there is often no alternative to and as long as someone make the effort to try to get children in line that is as much as can be done.

edwinbear Mon 17-Jun-13 14:12:32

My sister had a very troublesome flight to S Africa a few years back with her ds. She was mortified at him crying and worrying about the tutting that was going on. The lovely air stewardess pointed out to her that it was public transport and if people didn't want to travel with other members of the general public, they had the option of hiring a private plane grin.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:12:36

Oh bless her. On the flight back from our honeymoon me and DH were seated separately and he sat between two babies, one cried on and off for the 6 hour flight and the mother kept apologising profusely to him and he said ' The baby is fine but I wish I didn't have to hear the loud sighing and moaning of the woman in front of me, it's spoiling my flight'

ItsintheBag Mon 17-Jun-13 14:13:48

It could all be avoided if they just sat families is the same area of the plane.
My kids fly alot since babies and have been lucky that they seem to like it even when toddlers.
We flew a few weeks ago and this guy about 30 sitting with his mates really loudly,said"oh great we have kids in front of us"
I informed him they were a lot quieter than him with his rude comments.
He at least had the good grace to go red.

arabesque Mon 17-Jun-13 14:14:11

I agree, if a child is crying on a plane or a bus there is not much the parents can do about it. It's not like a restaurant where you can (and should) take them out until they've calmed down.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:17:46

Exactly Arabesque, I'm always wrapping up meals when I think my child's getting to the end of their tether but on a plane it's so difficult. A family section would be excellent Itsinthebag

edwinbear Mon 17-Jun-13 14:17:50

Although I must confess, when 18 month old dd vomited all over herself and me, during take off to a flight to Turkey a few weeks back, I'd have liked to have been on a child free flight myself.

I have a flight in a couple of weeks. Dreading it as usual. I find that the people next to you are fine, it is the people a couple of seats away that are the problem. They can't see how hard you are working to keep as quiet as possible but they still hear the noise. Having said that the flights I have been on have mostly had lovely, understanding people.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:20:45

I can relate to that, I had the unfortunate mixture of DD with separation anxiety and a dodgy stomach so every time I had to go into that proxy loo cubicle I had to juggle her as well or she would (and did) scream like she was being murdered

Tee2072 Mon 17-Jun-13 14:23:13

Maybe a separate flight for just children edwin? grin

When my son took his first flight, at 6 months, London to San Francisco, I saw the look on the man behind us face as we settled down. At San Francisco he actually stood up, leaned over and said 'I take back everything I was thinking. I completely forgot he was there!'

We're about to do the flight again. Son is now 4. I would expect it's going to be a little more difficult.

LoopyLooplaHoop Mon 17-Jun-13 14:24:12

DH took DDs (2 and 3) on a 13 1/2 hour flight yesterday by himself, and he had a slight stomach bug. Horrible thought, it's bad enough as a tag team, and the feeling of being trapped and unable to do anything if they are tired/bored/upset is awful.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:25:48

My sister was on a flight to Glasgow and her 8 month old was crying, a man in the opposite aisle stuck his finger in his ear and the flight attendant asked her if she'd tried putting her finger in the babies mouth

Andro Mon 17-Jun-13 14:30:07

Babies are less of an issue than older children...at least they can't kick your seat/are less likely to throw food/careen into you with open drinks.

A few parents who make no attempt to limit the chaos, get the responsible majority a bad rep on flights (and trains/in restaurants/wherever else).

Cravey Mon 17-Jun-13 14:31:27

We travel a lot and have no issues with children crying on flights. We usually sit at the back of the plane as most families are seated up front with the bulkhead seats. If we can I also upgrade. People who moan because of children crying need a kick up the ass. The parents that let their little darlings run around like loons are a whole different story though.

NapaCab Mon 17-Jun-13 14:33:06

Same thing happened to us on my son's first flight at 4 months' old, Tee2072. We were in business class and you could nearly feel the resentment when we got on with a baby but when the flight ended the woman behind us said our baby was wonderful and so quiet. Now we're flying for a visit home, 11 hours, with him and he's nearly 2... and going through a tantrums phase... I am dreading it!! I hate flying at the best of times so flying with a toddler is going to be hell... hmm

It used to be the norm that parents and young children were seated up the front of the plane so when we had no children ourselves we used to always try to book seats down the back but I don't know if that's the case now.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:33:34

There is that Andro, I've not had any experience of that luckily but find it so stressful worrying whether my baby/toddler will cry as some people do make you feel awful for it

RazzleDazzleEm Mon 17-Jun-13 14:34:37

Can I add,

Hen and Stag free flights, I feel claustrophobic, because they usually are in high spirits, stinking of spirits, shouting to one another from various seats, and blocking aisles congregating round other seats.

Can we also add the spraying of perfumes and body sprays on flights - people who file nails etc...

People with loud head phones, larger people who spill into your seat and space....very slow people in the loo's, people who cannot work out what they want from the trolly quick enough nor get their money out....people who smell....and do not blow their nose but make a horrid noise and swallow it instead. People who cough and not put their hands over their mouths, same as sneeze.

specialsubject Mon 17-Jun-13 14:35:15

whenever a baby is screaming on a plane, I think 'not my problem'. Those of us without kids book away from the bulkheads, but economy class is never fun and you just have to suck it up.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone tutting about a crying baby. Out of control kids which are old enough to be controlled are a different matter.

crumblepie Mon 17-Jun-13 14:37:27

i was on a flight to turkey and sat next to a couple with a child who was less than a year , i must admit i was dreading it , but the child was brilliant , smiling , happy and as soon as she got bored the couple were playing games with her , on the way home i was sat next to a very fat smelly bloke and wished for that little girl back .

ChunkyPickle Mon 17-Jun-13 14:41:48

The rudest, most awkward, disturbing people I've ever been with on flights have been adults - constantly up and down to the overheads, taking over armrests, fidgeting, the couple that spilled the people behind's dinner into their laps by forcefully reclining their seats mid meal, taking the aisle seat and then trying to dictate whether I had the window blind up or down, over-loud headphones, talking at ridiculous volume non-stop etc.

So yes, if all those people could go on their own child-free flights so DS and I can sit in the relative peace of a couple of crying babies/enthusiastic toddlers then I'd be fine with that.

DXBMermaid Mon 17-Jun-13 14:42:13

Veryhungry the finger suggestion has to do with letting a baby suck. The sucking helps relieve the pressure on their ears. Have not flown wih pfb yet, but will before she is 4 months and have been advised to feed her duing take-off, landing and during turbulance. Dummys would work as well, but she doesn't like them.

With regards to todlers, bribe them with little (useless) presents. One each hour. Couple of stickers, box of raisins, small book, crayons etc etc as long as it's wrapped up.

I find people who put their seat down much more annoying then crying babies. Also I have noise cancelling earphones and they really really work. Essential for frequent flying!

EeyoreIsh Mon 17-Jun-13 14:42:34

often it's not the kids that are the problems. I did a quick flight recently, that was packed with kids.

The dad sitting next to me was a right pain in the arse. their young son had earache. so fair enough, he screamed and was restless. But the dad kept saying really loudly 'poor Hugo has sore ears. Poor Hugo' ad infinitum... Not to the boy in a soothing way, to his daughter angry

and the daughter was v happy with watching a dvd. In silence. But the bloody dad kept interrupting her and making her drawer and asking her questions.

I would pay extra for a child free part of the plane, sorry.

<I did once sit next to an adorable toddler on a flight. He was great and I loved talking to him. The poor mum thought the journey was stressful but she was over worrying.>

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:42:47

On the last flight I was on there was a child of around 2 screaming and his mother tried everything to entertain him to no avail, people around the area were starting to grumble and in the end she screamed at him to 'Shut Up' he was shocked and so was she, It looked like she instantly regretted it

Preposteroushypothesis Mon 17-Jun-13 14:43:23

There is a website where people post stories from bad flights they've had, I think it's called flightsfromhell, and there is a section for stories about babies/children on flights and people are always commenting on the stories saying how awful it is that parents are allowed to fly with children and why don't they just drive...it's an American site and a lot of people fail to grasp the concept that not everyone is flying within their own country or somewhere you could easily drive! It's amazing that people think that parents, and indeed their children, should miss out on holidays/visiting family/special occasions like weddings just because they might possibly dislike flying and cause other people's flights to be disrupted when the journey is such a small part of the overall experience!! I think as long as the parents are trying to keep their children entertained and not just ignoring them while they scream or kick or throw things at other passengers then you have to cut them some slack!!

I am flying in November with a nearly 3yo and what will be around a 3 month old baby! Dreading the looks we will get as we board the plane grin

EeyoreIsh Mon 17-Jun-13 14:44:05

I'd agree with those that say that adults can be more annoying. For sure!

If people are going to moan about children going on their holidays/going to see family then they should upgrade. Chances are there will not be any children present.
Afraid to say, my DP isn't big on children crying in confined spaces so we always fly first and never seen a child in there. It's much easier than being embarrassed by any moan/tut that dare to pass his lips.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:45:22

There's nothing to be sorry about Eeyore, It sounds like Hugo's dad wanted everyone to know he wasn't just being a brat and ended up being the annoying one himself

Manchesterhistorygirl Mon 17-Jun-13 14:46:12

Ds1 has flown many times and one flight in particular stays with me. Manchester - JFK we were n the economy bulkhead and behind us was mr. Important business man. He tutted and huffed and puffed at us for the whole flight. Ds1 however was complimented by all the economy crew and the other passengers around us for being so well behaved, it was even mentioned loudly that he'd been better mannered than the gentleman sat behind him. wink

Out of control kids which are old enough to be controlled are a different matter. This is making me worried. DD is 2 and acts like a very busy 2 yo. However, she has long hair and looks older. Wears lot of 4, 5 and 6 yo clothes. People always think she is much older therefore they think she is horribly behaved. Maybe I will have a t-shirt printed, "I am only 2, please expect some toddler behaviour".

MrsOakenshield Mon 17-Jun-13 14:47:42

oh god, reclining seats, bloody hate them! Far worse than any crying child!

I've only ever sat next to a baby once, flying out to Australia. The baby was fine but it was very small and the mother radiated anxiety, poor woman.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 14:51:07

Any chance you're flying in August MrsTerry? If so hide behind my 3 ( I'm terrified) I hate them too MrsOakenshield I had a thug in front refuse to put her seat forward even when we were trying to eat our meal

No caterpillar, July. Dammit, we could have organised a MN flight. no Fruit Shoots, lots of children.

badbride Mon 17-Jun-13 15:03:00

Small children should be stowed safely in the overhead lockers or under the seat in front of you. grin

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 15:05:53

Then where would we put our duty free

ItsintheBag Mon 17-Jun-13 15:05:57

When mine were smaller and seem to suffer with their ears I gave them nurophen, at least if their ears got sore it took a good amount of the pain away.Usually gave it an hour before take off.My GP suggested it when I was flying with two kids with blocked noses and colds.It really helped.

Katiepoes Mon 17-Jun-13 15:07:00

I don't want a family section. I fly regularly with my toddler, she's never been a problem at all (to my surprise), bar the one time another older toddler sat in fron of us. He spent the flight gurning and yelling at her over the back of his seat and frankly being a pain. I'd go for the divide and conquer approach to seating small people.

BTW I pay full fare for my toddler, we will sit where we damn well please - fat business men taking up half my seat...stag parties on their hungover way home from Amsterdam... holiday makers on their way back from Dubai or Shangahi with 15x the allowed cabin baggage - give them their own 'irritating arsehole' section.

I do feel very sorry for babies on planes. Their poor eustachian tubes aren't so small and the pain they must be in from pressure changes must be awful. Yes it is a pain for other passengers when babies cry but I feel more sorry for the baby.

Older children being allowed to behave badly really angers me though. We went through a five hour flight with a 7/8 year-old constantly kicking the seat only to be told "He's really bored, I can't stop him". Then being shouted at by the stewardess when we asked to move seats because of the bad behaviour.

DeepPurple Mon 17-Jun-13 15:10:47

I've been very lucky that DD 3.6 loves flying and happily entertains herself. It's the only time she is allowed to watch peppa pig back to back for 7 hours grin

If the noise bothers other adults so much then they can invest in noise reduction headphones. They are a marvellous invention! They aren't even that expensive anymore. There was a child on a flight I was on that cried for 6 hours straight. I barely heard a thing with the headphones on but got it full force when I took them off. I felt very sorry for the poor mother. Other people did try to help but the child was having none of it.

arabesque Mon 17-Jun-13 15:11:03

Oh God yes, seat recliners are the most annoying people on planes. Closely followed by people who stow their luggage at the front of the plane and then take seats further down so that the people sitting at the front can't have their bag close by if they need something. Also, people who know they tend to need the loo a lot but also want a window seat so spend the whole flight clambering in and out past you.
All a lot more annoying than a parent desperately trying to keep a crying baby quiet.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 15:14:01

Yes that's not fair Lurked, I bring things for my older child to do and having my chair kicked would drive me mad TBH, hopefully if my baby does cry I'll be lucky with my fellow passengers

badbride Mon 17-Jun-13 15:14:23

1VeryHungrycaterpillar On your lap. Alternatively, just drink the lot: floor level lighting will guide you to the exit when it's time to disembark

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 15:18:33

Then someone will post a thread about the mum off her nut on a plane, guess I'll be too drunk to care, I'll go for lap the baby can scooch over

I have found adults and teens to a lot more annoying that babies and small children on flights.
I've been flying long haul with babies/kids for the last 25 years (oldest is 25 and youngest is 8) not once has anyone complained about them.
Part of the problem is parents who don't prepare for the flight properly. In all those years I've only had two flights that had annoying noisy babies/toddlers on. One where the parent allowed the kid about 2 to constantly bounce and kick, my drinks and food were all over the place and a flight attendant told them a few times. The other was two couples who dumped their 5 children ranging from about 6 to 14 in cattle class and went and sat in business and slept through the flight. The kids were horribly behaved.
Adults who dislike kids should prepare better too, take ear plugs and be prepared to be assertive when kids are kicking seat, don't sit and seethe, tell the parents and the child to knock it off.

I have high hopes for the Dora and Toy Story games I have purchased for DD. They will keep her completely entertained for 9 hours right?

My favorite flight with her was when she was a tiny baby and our flight was cancelled, thanks Air Transat. We were changing flight so I was 11 hours in an airport with a tiny baby and nowhere to put her down. PFB so couldn't leave her in her car seat. I held her for hours. My back was knackered by the time I got on the flight. Then I was next to a lovely, charming teenager. Her friends who visited her however, thought BFing was ewwweewwwweee. I like to think I helped their school's pregnancy rate by taking that flight.

Kendodd Mon 17-Jun-13 15:33:18

People should just get over themselves and have a bit more tolerance. There are people in the world called children and they act in a different way to other people in the world called adults. Children have every bit as much right to travel on PUBLIC transport as adults do and if the adults can't share the space they should do as somebody mentioned up thread and take a private plane.

That said, a couple I know treated themselves to a once in a lifetime retirement holiday and up graded to business class for the one and only time in their life. Just as they sat down, champagne glass in hand, a toddler came and sat down next to them.

theoriginalandbestrookie Mon 17-Jun-13 15:52:32

I'd like drunk free flights, flights free from those who recline their seat from the moment they are allowed for the entire time, flights free from people who take up most of my seat leaving me likely to get DVT, flights free from old people who are likely to talk to me oh yes and flights free of people bringing those huge carry ons which mean I have to keep my normal sized bag under the seat.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 15:54:59

Did he/she behave? Just playing devils advocate for a moment, you have a 7 year old kicking your chair etc through boredom the parents remonstrate and it still carries on the parents threaten to take away a toy and it still carries on, what are they supposed to do? There should be more leniency in a situation where you can't just leave. Negating your responsibility and leaving your children in a different class on the plane is taking the piss though

I have to confess, I think I used to be one of those huffy anti children on flights people though I feel ashamed now!

The last flight I took was a few years ago, it was before I had discovered mums net so I didn't know any better. We saw lots if children in the queue and purposefully went to the back if the plane and I do confess I shared a look of horror with my travelling companion when the flight attendants ushered ALL of the people with small children to the back and seated them all around us. Hopefully the mums didn't see and we both stuck our headphones in for the entire flight so didn't huff about the crying but I look back now and I'd hate to think I made those poor mums even more stressed but I was childless and iin my 20s and didn't know any better! Karma will no doubt come back to bite me on the ass now I'm having my first child so I'll get my comeuppance grin

fastyspeedyfast Mon 17-Jun-13 16:04:07

^^What theoriginalandbest said

I'm on countless longhauls every year, and the only people who have ever annoyed me are other adults.

badbride Mon 17-Jun-13 16:06:18

Give me a screaming baby any day over idiots who refuse to turn their bloody phones off, despite repeated warnings from the flight captain. What part of "electronic devices could interfere with the plane's systems" do they not understand? Or perhaps they hear "...unless of course, you have emails and games to attend to that are so mcuh more important than everyone's safety, in which case go right ahead."

I was trapped next to 2 such arseholes on a flight last week. Perhaps the OP's question should be rephrased as "AIBU to wish that arsehole-free flights existed." That should cover pretty much all the bases.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 16:08:05

As long as I can include people who stand up in the aisle before the doors are even open, chill out!

quesadilla Mon 17-Jun-13 16:11:07

This neurotic aversion to kids on planes is a very British disease. I had to fly longhaul with my 2 yo dd at Xmas to the country my DH comes from (DH flew out ahead), and was dreading it.
It wasn't as bad as I feared but on a flight that was roughly half British and half people from my dh's birth country I noticed that the people who were tutting and eye-rolling were the Brits.

badbride Mon 17-Jun-13 16:14:24

1Veryhungry Absolutely. Ditto folk who are strangers to personal hygiene/ soap

WorraLiberty Mon 17-Jun-13 16:21:38

Sitting near a screaming baby on a long flight, is worse than being forced to listen to a car alarm going off repeatedly.

But you won't see me tutting or eye rolling. I just pop my headphones in and thank God my kids are well past that stage.

I don't envy people who have to fly with young babies and I don't envy those who have to sit near them.

Binkybix Mon 17-Jun-13 16:22:30

It must be horrible looking after a crying baby on a flight! It would really stress me out because I'd be worried about the baby being in pain and disturbing people.

If a child was kicking my seat though, I would defo have a word with the parents. In answer to someone's question up-thread about what you would do as a parent if they would not listen to you - I would get the steward/stewardess to tell them off. Hopefully would work for most!

On a wider point on plane etiquette, I'm surprised by people getting annoyed by seat reclining. Would not cross my mind to get annoyed by someone doing that - it's a feature of their seat to be used, surely?

LittleBearPad Mon 17-Jun-13 16:28:43

More annoying than people filing their nails are people who paint them. The smell in that confined a space is really annoying.

And the seat recliners. It's only a three hour flight. You can sit up for at least some of the flight. (One of the only benefits of Ryanair is that the seats don't recline.)

And people who think switching on the flight safe mode equals switching their ipad etc off during take off and landing. Grrr

cathers Mon 17-Jun-13 16:30:46

Sure, the seats are designed to be reclined for snoozing but to recline your seat back onto someone who is trying to eat their meal forcing the drink and food to spill is down right rude. This happens ALL the time to me.
Reclining should only be used outside meal times. That's the rules.

MrsOakenshield Mon 17-Jun-13 16:34:46

people paint their nails on a plane???????

Binkybix Mon 17-Jun-13 16:40:21

Oh yes - seat reclining not reasonable during meal times!

babybythesea Mon 17-Jun-13 16:46:36

I have a dream that when I win the lottery (the proper money, you know, 100 million plus, not the piddling 2 or 3 million!, I will make sure DH gets to visit his family in New Zealand every year. We will of course take both DDs. And on every flight we are on, we will completely book out business and first classes.
Then, as families check in, they will be given an upgrade, the younger the children the higher the priority for the upgrade. Business and first class will then be full of families. Parents will have enough room to manouvre themselves (eg to pick up dropped toys) without needing to be a contortionist. No-one needs you to put your seat upright because it's dinner time ten minutes after your child has finally gone to sleep. The chairs are big enough to not mind having a toddler on your lap for a chunk of the flight. You could even lie down reasonably comfortably to sleep with them on your lap. And everyone has children and is so grateful to not be in economy that there is not a single tutting adult anywhere. (And the kitchen is stocked not only with all the drinks the grownups would like but a good selection of drinks and food suitable for kids, including spare milk, and possibly even a range of spare clothing for children and their parents who have been vomited on!)

EugenesAxe Mon 17-Jun-13 16:50:38

Haha! Your DH's attitude rocks Caterpillar.

babyby - you sound lovely. Air Nirvana; I'm not surprised you've daydreamed about it!

arabesque Mon 17-Jun-13 16:51:13

Even outside of meal times if its a short flight it's inconsiderate to recline. It takes space away from the person behind (and space is usually already pretty tight on economy flights).

babybythesea Mon 17-Jun-13 16:59:29

Eugene why thank you.
It comes after I flew back from NZ with DD by myself. 6 months pg, and with SPD. Got stuck on the overnight leg of the journey in the middle of 3 seats. DD (aged 4) slept in the window seat the whole way. However, so did the rather large gent who was in the aisle seat, and who got cross when I finally had to ask him to move so I could go to the loo before I exploded. So much for the advice to move around a lot during the flight! I had plenty of time to come up with the perfect flight scenario as I sat, horribly uncomfortably, in my seat!

somanystripes Mon 17-Jun-13 17:01:59

We've been on lots of flights with DD, now one year old. On most, she's been fine - either slept all the way through or been very calm and cheerful. On two occassions she screamed for 45 mins to an hour each time, and there was NOTHING I could do. Believe me DH and I tried every trick in the book and were very aware of the potential impact on other people.

On both occasions the passengers around me were awful - a relay of tutting and head-shaking five rows in either direction. On the most recent one, another passenger complained about 'that baby' and asked to be upgraded! This was on a two-hour flight! The cabin crew told me and had a good bitch about him - they were really sympathetic.

The only thing I could do was ignore the disapproval. I knew I was doing my best, it was out of character for DD, and it was the only way she was going to get to see her granny so I'm not going to stop taking her on planes.

I do think the reactions were over the top, TBH. People seem to expect that flights will be totally silent and an opportunity for spa-like relaxation. As someone said up-thread - a plane is public transport...

leavesalmondoutofit Mon 17-Jun-13 17:02:33

Babies are generally not a problem. Last holiday, what turned out to be a lovely gentleman, reclined his seat into my daughter and granddaghter 10 moonths, He got a huge fright when he was yelled at. He apologised as she was so quiet he didn't know she was there, He did at the end of the flight wonder how you were supposed to adopt the crash position with a baby on your knee. Fair point. Five and a half hour flight.

Binkybix Mon 17-Jun-13 17:07:00

I think they have a pic on the safety card on the brace position with a baby.

I don't tend to recline on short flights, but really wouldn't bother me if someone did - I think of that as 'their' space and think of it as a bonus if they don't use it.

EstelleGetty Mon 17-Jun-13 17:08:36

God, I feel sorry for parents with young DCs on flights. I don't have DCs, but some people should really get a grip. A crying baby is not fun for anyone but, to be honest, neither is flying. It's not like you're in the cinema and a baby is shrieking. A flight is a few hours (OK, more than 10 in some cases) out of your life, so just try to show some compassion and realise the parents aren't going out of their way to annoy you!

If a person with learning difficulties was on a flight and was noisy or audibly upset, nobody would allow themselves to be seen tutting as that would look reprehensible. In both cases, people should show more compassion and stick their bloody headphones in.

And I find stag/hen parties waaay more intrusive. I was once on a flight to Barcelona, just about landing, when some very drunk girls behind me started going on about how coming into land was the time when the plane was most likely to fall out of the sky and crash! A very pale, worried looking woman next to me turned round and told them to shut up.

MidniteScribbler Mon 17-Jun-13 17:11:48

I do think that the way the parent acts will determine how other passengers act in most cases. A parent who watches indulgently while their darling kicks seats, dances down the aisles tripping over flight attendants and insists on watching four hours of peppa sodding pig at top volume without earphones is going to cop the glares. A parent who is trying to calm an upset child, has provided toys and games that can be played within a seat and apologises to those around them when their child misbehaves is generally left alone.

TwitchyTail Mon 17-Jun-13 17:13:24

It's not right for people to tut and moan and grumble, but I disagree that it's scandalous for them to use earplugs, discreetly place fingers in ears if they don't have earplugs, or quietly ask to be moved if there are visible free seats further down the plane. Some people have conditions such as migraines that are triggered by loud piercing noises. It shouldn't be taken as a personal affront or an attack on your parenting skills.

I say that as the mother of a very screamy 4 month old; my migraines are fortunately not triggered by noise grin

cloutiedumpling Mon 17-Jun-13 17:24:55

I'm usually pretty chilled out about these sort of things but I had a baby sitting in the seat behind me for an 18 hour flight and she didn't stop crying the whole time. I don't blame the parents - they were trying to do what they could to comfort her but she was just miserable. I wished that the air crew could have found the family alternative seats half way through the flight though as 18 hours of screaming was a lot for the people sitting around them to put up with. Headphones didn't block out the sound.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 17-Jun-13 17:46:14

Every time I've ever flown it's been another random adult who has caused the problem/irritated me not a child.

I've flown quite a lot and honestly have never encountered a particularly irritating child. But then I don't consider babies/toddlers crying due to the cabin pressure as annoying.

Bunbaker Mon 17-Jun-13 17:53:44

The only thing that bothers me is a child kicking the back of the seat. DD always seems to get a seat in front of a kicker and she hates it - so do I.

OH likes Ryanair because you can't recline the seats. He is tall with long legs and suffers in cattle class because of the lack of space. Luckily he has managed to get extra legroom seats the last few times.

LittleBearPad Mon 17-Jun-13 17:56:46

Yep * MrsOakenshield*. Last time I flew home the woman next to me took off her nail varnish and then reapplied the exact same colour GRRR the smell of the acetone etc was awful. But I didn't say anything. Why!!

landofsoapandglory Mon 17-Jun-13 17:59:45

We're flying with Jet2 this Summer, IIRC all of the seats are fixed in the upright position. I am quite relieved about it, actually, I have had my dinner and drink my lap in the past!

GrendelsMum Mon 17-Jun-13 18:00:04

I positively like crying babies on flights - it reminds me that there's someone who dislikes it as much as I do. I think 'go on, kid, let them know how it feels'. wink

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 18:02:57

18 hours of screaming, Jesus I didn't realise that was possible. Of course people have got the right to block out noise in anyway they can, I don't blame them but in my sisters case the man who put his fingers in his ears preceded this by looking over and tutting and it was a flight to Glasgow so hardly longhaul

ladythatlunches Mon 17-Jun-13 18:11:25

We went abroad last year as my sister was getting married abroad.

I have 5 children and was dreading it.

The two older children I wasn't worried about at all and they were fine.

But the youngest 3 at the times were 20 months 10 month old twins.

I hought magazine's, stickers, toys, drawings, ,crayons and downloaded peppa pig on my phone also made sure they all had a nap before we got on plane.

The twins were excellent not a peep just sat happily playing.

But my 20 month old didn't want to sit still but other than that on the way out was fine.

Coming back was a nightmare. Flight delayed the airport was tiny and hot and no air conditioning so before we even got on the plane we had all had enough.

Babies again perfect fell asleep. My 20 month old abouta hour into fluflight started to cry when I cuddled her she felt warn and looked flush, she had a bit of a tempature. I cuddled her up and she was fine.. about a hour before landing she started whimpering and a man stood up and said "will you shut you f***ing kid up" I didn't want ro upset my dd by arguing so I gave him the most evil look but husband wasn't impressed and told him to she was a littlr girl who wasn't feeling very well. He then replied with. . You people with kids shouldn't be alousd on planes .. your the reason I hate this country. My dh told him to f off for which he was given a warning by the cabin crew and the man got moved so not to be near us.

Was awful

SummersHere Mon 17-Jun-13 18:14:55

I feel sorry for whoever ends up next to ds and me next week. He's a good traveler, no worries there but he talks/asks questions non-stop and it's painful.
I'd rather deal with crying babies than loud drunk adults any day of the week though.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Mon 17-Jun-13 18:20:25

I spent the whole of a return flight from Orland once being kicked from behind by some kid. I could cheerfully have thrown him into outer space. Not once did is parents do anything about him. Yet the mother complained when my DH reclined his seat (because she was too fat for an economy seat basically)

RazzleDazzleEm Mon 17-Jun-13 18:23:49

quesadilla

There is a massive attitude problem towards children in this country.

You go to Spain, Italy etc, Morocco and the attitude is totally different. If a child cries there they all look sorry for the child, genuinely concerned that the baby isnt happy.

RazzleDazzleEm Mon 17-Jun-13 18:24:28

I have been far more disturbed by horrid adults than DC anywhere, not just on flights.

missgrainger Mon 17-Jun-13 18:26:51

My children are older now but I remember flying long haul with a baby on my lap - in economy - and the couple in front of us asked to be moved when they saw DS (sleeping), then (peevishly IMO) put their seats back the whole way (an 8 hour daytime flight) and didn't even put seats back up for meals. They even had to be told to put seats back up for landing. I make a point to never tut or throw exasperated looks at stressed-out parents of babies or children on flights, I've been there with little ones and a bit of understanding goes a long way; if you want a more comfortable time JUST UPGRADE !! I've encountered worse things on flights than crying kids (B.O., bad breath, sweaty armpits, overly-friendly drunken men, etc)

Wheresthepopcornagain Mon 17-Jun-13 18:27:37

have done a lot of distance flights with my DD. she once howled as the plane was delayed for an hour on the ground and the airline staff would not let us unbuckle so I could walk around and settle her. i was completely stressed and I have had a moment when I took her into the toilet just to not face anyone when she cries. I have never had anyone make comments to me or given me bad looks. She has moments when she cries but so does every baby because of their ears and the stale environment. the majority of the time she is sleeping/well behaved. I have even had people saying she was good even when she wasn't. I was grateful for their kindness.

Wheresthepopcornagain Mon 17-Jun-13 18:30:16

it's worth bearing in mind that some people are on edge when they fly or have taken sleeping pills. they may not be on their best behaviour.

beginnings Mon 17-Jun-13 18:46:27

DXBMermaid the sucking thing doesn't actually help until they're about 12 months as they don't develop the little bits of their ears that really affect pressure until about then. That said, feeding them is a great way to distract them. DD and I did our first flight when she was 9 weeks, without DH, and it certainly helped! That and the plane noise sent my non napping baby straight to sleep.

At 8 months she got a bit whingey on a flight back from Dublin and the guy in front of us was just obnoxious. No need for it.

A pharmacist has suggested the small dose of Piriton trick....think I might use that in future!

Fillyjonk75 Mon 17-Jun-13 18:50:02

Flown once a year since DD1 was a baby, she is now 7. Worst time was with DD2 when she was 18 months old. She was actually pretty quiet the whole 4 hours flight, we kept her pretty occupied and she fell asleep ten minutes before landing hmm. The worst thing was take off and landing when she had to beat seated and belted on one of our knees - you know how 18 month olds so love to be restrained in one place...

Also she was (and is) very very tall for her age so incredibly leggy when sitting on my knee. So it was like wrestling an escapologist chimp. The woman in front turned round and said "Can you stop your child kicking my seat?" Though she visibly reigned herself in when she saw how young DD2 was. "I said "I'm so sorry, I'm really trying my best not to let her kick your seat and when the seatbelt light goes off we will move her around but until then we are not allowed to."

But she still asked to be moved, and was - fair enough. But that's the only time we've had an adverse comment - pretty much ever, not just on flights!

Did a four hour flight with DD1 and DD2 recently, now 7 and 4 and it was a breeze!

Rosa Mon 17-Jun-13 18:55:44

Last summer flying with ba couple in front asked me to stop dd from kicking ..Basically her legs were sticking out in front As she was 3 and I admit she did it once when getting into her seat and turning round...I had asked her to try not to so I swapped seats with her and he turned round every time I out something in the seat pocket or put the table down. At the end of the flight he turned round Nastily and loudly and said thanks to me it was the worst flight ever. ...the lady behind me said he should thank me instead of complaining as my children were some of the best behaved she had ever seen...they had actually been very good...then as dd2 had fallen asleep the hostess disembarked me before mr grumpy as I was carrying her. mrs lovely offered to help me as well and held dd1 s hand . He scowled at me until we went separate ways after customs....

bigbluebus Mon 17-Jun-13 18:56:04

Reading this thread has prompted me to make a mental note to have a word with my DS before we fly next week. He is 16 and has HF ASD so can be very 'undiplomatic' and is not very tolerant of people in general let alone noisy/fidgety children nor fat or smelly people who may be sitting next to him blush.

I had already discussed with him today the possibility that we may not be sitting together which is fine apart from me not being able to stop him from opening his mouth in situations you have all been describing hmm

gordyslovesheep Mon 17-Jun-13 18:56:37

babies deal with changes in cabin pressure by crying - like we yawn or blow our ears

so i can live with a bit of crying but the seat kicking thing ohhhh that gets on my tits and I am a lone parents who travels with my 3 and has done since the youngest was 18mths old - I would NEVER allow my children to do that and I expect other parents to prevent it

CloudsAndTrees Mon 17-Jun-13 19:08:19

Crying babies I don't mind. There's only a limited amount a parent can do about that.

Toddlers and older children that are allowed to kick seats drive me crazy though. Parents should pay for an extra seat if their small child will kick the seat in from while on their knee. It's so incredibly selfish when parents allow their children to do it. I know there are times when it's unavoidable, but I have known parents to let it go on for far too long.

On one flight I told a child off myself for seat kicking as her parents clearly couldn't care less. She was about four or five, and it worked. Proving that the parents could have done something in the first place. No doubt they called me a few choice names though!

I also can't stand other people's children wanting to chat to me on flights and show me their books and toys and tell me where they are going etc. I love children and work with them, but when I'm going on a flight, I'm not there to entertain someone else's children.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:17:21

A polite 'Could you stop them from kicking my seat' should suffice and if a parent kicks off at that then they are in the wrong but swearing and shouting etc is just unnecessary. No one on either side of the coin should get a barrage of abuse, that said seat kicking is teeth grindly annoying

landofsoapandglory Mon 17-Jun-13 19:18:28

bigbluebus if you tell the check in staff your DS has SN I am sure they will let you sit together. I am disabled and am always allowed to sit with one member of my family, usually DS2(16) as he is a severe asthmatic.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:19:46

Clouds and Trees that made me roar, it's so true!

campion Mon 17-Jun-13 19:23:06

I was alongside ( across the aisle) a 12 month old Italian baby, Paris to New York, who cried/grizzled/ fidgeted most of the way. It was a welcome distraction for me - prob not the rest of the other 250 people blush- as I hate flying think it's about to crash so I had a nice time playing peek-a-boo etc.

Very happy to entertain someone else's children. Also, I loved it when a serious little boy asked 'are we out of the world now, Grandma?'

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:24:15

Can you get any time off and come away with me in August Campion!

MrsFruitcake Mon 17-Jun-13 19:25:25

I think those travelling child-free should think themselves lucky to be getting away without their DCs. And if they don't have DCs yet, then there turn will come. I did actually say that to a young lady with her boyfriend who saw my then 18 month old DS strapped into his car seat on the plane and walked as far away as she could looking for another seat, all the while making it clear she didn't want to be lumbered sitting behind a screaming child for a few hours. She wasn't amused. I had the last laugh though as he was a complete angel from start to finish.

I have had some horrendous flights with my own DCs though and they are one of the most stressful things i have ever had to do, what with constantly trying to keep a lid on my childs anxious behaviour and crying.

As an aside, I recently had the misfortune to share a flight to Barcelona with a team of about 45 junior hockey players (between the ages of 12 and 16) on the way to a tournament - now that was an eye opener and very noisy! Far worse than any child/baby kicking off let me assure you!

Bunbaker Mon 17-Jun-13 19:30:25

"A polite 'Could you stop them from kicking my seat' should suffice"

I had to do that a few weeks ago on a flight. I just asked the parent politely and explained that we were feeling particularly grumpy as we had got up at 3 am to catch that flight. I also said that I understood that small children don't realise they are kicking the seat. The parent wasn't rude at all and simply asked his little boy to stop kicking.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:30:33

Bet that was deafening. I think drunks are the worst because the are unpredictable and the mood between the can sour so quickly

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:32:28

That's good Bunbaker, it is sad that people have to worry about making a reasonable request like that but some people fly off the handle

campion Mon 17-Jun-13 19:36:57

Where're you going, 1veryhungrycaterpillar?
I'll come if you're paying!!! wink

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:38:08

Cyprus so a mere 4 hour flight

campion Mon 17-Jun-13 19:43:29

Sorry, don't do that hot in August.
Another time, perhaps grin

Good luck!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 19:47:39

Thanks, luckily for me I'm not on my own; people who manage flying with their kids singlehandedly deserve a bloody medal IMO

MooseBeTimeForSpring Mon 17-Jun-13 19:52:07
nohalfmeasures Mon 17-Jun-13 19:55:57

Some adults behave like children on flights. I witnessed woman having a tantrum (stamping feet and shouting) because she wanted her "usual seat" and it had already been assidned to someone else. She was really ruse to the flight attendants for the whole transatlantic flight, wouldn't put her seatbelt on when asked, wouldn't return to her seat when asked etc.

landofsoapandglory Mon 17-Jun-13 20:00:38

DS1(18) is off to Malia with 14 of his mates in 2 weeks time. They have all pre booked their seats in groups of 3 and 4, instead of one big group, out of consideration to the other passengers.

crashdoll Mon 17-Jun-13 20:23:15

"My then 1yo daughter turned round in her seat to look at the people behind, and managed to get her head stuck between our chairs. I couldn't stop laughing. Neither could she! Everyone was horrified and mumbling. She was quickly wriggled out by a very kind attendant though."

Great story! grin

apostropheuse Mon 17-Jun-13 20:25:40

I would love a child-free flight. I really don't want to hear continuous crying, whinging, complaining. I don't want to be kicked in the kidneys for seven or eight hours. I want to read or watch a film in peace. If I had a choice I would definitely book on a child-free flight.

I don't blame the parents at all though as when you're in such a small space for hours on end it is incredibly difficult to stop your children doing any of the above at least for some of the time, particularly very young children. I wouldn't dream of giving parents any grief over this. I'm more likely to give a sympathetic smile, while inwardly counting the minutes until the damned flight was over. grin

In fact, when my children were smaller I would have been quite happy to fly on a flight where I knew that all the other passengers had children or weren't bothered by children being on the flight. I would likely have booked a "family flight".

I do think there's a market out there for adult only flights you know...

clam Mon 17-Jun-13 20:42:03

I don't have much of a problem if parents are actively trying to deal with/calm a crying child. But I was on a transatlantic flight last week where the mum was running herself ragged trying to sort out a toddler and a 4 year old, but her husband reclined his seat and pretended to go went to sleep. The toddler then ran up and down 'his' aisle that the woman couldn't get to.
And the return overnight flight had a clearly exhausted fractious baby on board whose mother was actively trying to keep him awake for the duration "so he sleeps in the car at the other end." Yeah, right, thanks for that!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 20:57:07

What a nightmare Clam. I might patent it Apostropheuse, seems win win

Aargh, I have a 24 hour flight with a 12 month old coming up. A very wriggly 12 month old who believes that sitting still/sleeping/keeping quiet are extreme forms of torture and should be resisted at all costs. Am already collecting small toys to wrap in stupid numbers of layers of paper. Also praying to any god that will listen for lots of sleep.

The overhead locker is sounding good at the moment though!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 21:14:42

You could always hide it there!

Jeezimacasalinga Mon 17-Jun-13 21:19:07

The only time I have ever (so far!) had a negative comment about my 3 kids on a flight was when my DS was 2. It was a 7am flight from London to Marseille and he was very excited and - talking. That's it. I was just breathing a sigh of relief on how good he was being - no crying, no shouting, kicking of seats or trying to wriggle down to the floor and off up the aisle - when the young woman in front turned round and asked me, in an outraged tone, if I would stop him from talking. Gobsmacked, I said no, he was 2 and he was only talking. I still feel enraged when I think about this now!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 21:25:07

I'm not surprised!

christinarossetti Mon 17-Jun-13 21:27:47

I would like child free flights too, so that I could travel in peace when I travel alone but primarily so that I don't have to put with idiots like jeez describes when I'm travelling with my children.

The man in front of us complained about my 3 year old getting up to use the toilet (apparently, he knocked the back of one of his children's seats).

I said that I was most contrite and would do my absolute utmost to stop ds moving a muscle during the hour remaining of the flight.

christinarossetti Mon 17-Jun-13 21:28:42

'Tis hell on those Easyjet flights, as there's just nowhere to hide.

Boredworkingmum020 Mon 17-Jun-13 21:29:14

What do people want you to do about a crying baby? Stick the oxygen mask on and sit it on the wing. Parents of older kids should take the opportunity to teach their kids how to behave in situations with lots of people. I'd much rather sit next to a crying baby than a person with headphones on when all I can hear is a tinny drumbeat

junkfoodaddict Mon 17-Jun-13 21:39:11

Please have mercy on me!!!

About to ensure a 4 hour flight at 6:35am to Madeira in August with a 19 month old. I have been buying lots of little books and activities to keep him amused but with 3 other adults travelling with us, an early wake up at 4:15am and the excitement and hustle and bustle of departures, I am hoping it will be a breeze.

Now what's the betting, that someone will tell me otherwise????

Such a different story last year. On the outbound flight, he slept for 40 minutes, away for 40 minutes etc, etc at 7 months old. The return journey was a little different with him being very 'active' and awake.

I apologised in advance to the lady in the next seat on immediate embarkation. She smiled and was quite sympathetic. In fact, I think she liked the little distractions on what would have been a boring flight.

On a serious note, those who vilify children need to remember that us parents are not going to put our lives on hold, lock our children away from public view just to suit their spoilt, selfish little wants.

Children are important and valued little people in society and need to see that adults welcome them, respect them and are there to teach them how to behave in a way that society expects. How else do you expect children to learn? They learn by seeing and doing - and that includes good behaviour.

Jollyb Mon 17-Jun-13 21:39:12

Must admit am always relieved if DD isn't the noisiest/naughtiest child on the flight. Flew last year and a couple were with their ~ 2 year old daughter. She started pressing the cabin crew call button as a game. First couple of times it was vaguely amusing. Parents made no attempt to stop her. After about 15 goes, a polite request from the stewardess and then finally a message over the intercom, she eventually stopped.

allagory Mon 17-Jun-13 21:49:56

I think the sort of people who complain about babies crying on flights are a bit infantile themselves. That's the thing about children: they can't control their emotions, they are too immature. Surely putting a filter on what you are feeling and what you say is one of the defining attributes of being a grown up?

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Mon 17-Jun-13 21:50:24

I think you'll be fine Junk food, on our outbound four hour flight we had seats in economy that had been moved from business class so my 3 year old sat and played with FIL and cousin happily and quietly the whole time. On the way back we had no room, a one year old who had just learnt to walk and wanted to get down and a 3 year old with anxiety issues and all the other people we were flying with had gone to sleep (as was their right) so it wasn't as fun but at least it wasn't longhaul. Did kiss the Tarmac when we got off though

GibberTheMonkey Mon 17-Jun-13 21:54:04

I once flew on my own with my 2,4,6&8 year olds. They were brilliant (due to electronic gadgets) and an American businessman actually congratulated me on them.
I had been dreading it so much that after that I felt invincible for about a month after.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 17-Jun-13 22:06:34

1veryhungrycaterpillar I am flying to cyprus tomorrow with a 3 yr old and a 7 month old.

campion Can you do cyprus in June? Supposed to be 30degrees, is that too hot?

I am really nervous about the flight. DD1 has flown a couple of times before but the longest flight she has been on previously was 2 hrs. She's a right fidget arse. Have got endless peppa and disney films downloaded and the usual colouring/sticker books etc. DD2 is still bf so I'm hoping that any crying can be solved by shoving a boob in her mouth.

Am taking solice in this thread that actually most of the time the kids were ok. Hopefully there will be some noisy drunk adults on my flight and people can moan and tut at them instead of it my kids grin

sashh Mon 17-Jun-13 22:36:39

Where are all these screaming babies? I don't think I've ever been on a flight with one and I have traveled a lot.

babybythesea Mon 17-Jun-13 22:48:37

junkfood - I think you are me in my past. 3 years ago we flew to New Zealand with our 11.5 month old -she was 12.5 months on the way home.
The first flight (London-Singapore) was fine - we took off at 11.30pm and she was knackered and fell asleep. The next leg was slightly less fun - she had just learnt to walk and that was all she wanted to do so I was up and down the aisles -I think I walked from Singapore to NZ. Same story on the way home. Word of advice - if you get one of those cot things to hang on the wall, don't trust the straps. On the way home, DD had finally given in and gone to sleep and I popped her in the cot, strapped her in and sank thankfully into unconsciousness. I came too a short while later because someone was prodding me in the neck. The lady in the seat behind in fact, who had realised that DD had woken up and managed to wriggle out from under the strap and was now dangling by her thighs head first over the edge. I didn't fully relax after that!

But she didn't cry, not once, in the entire flight, either way! Good luck!

Andro Mon 17-Jun-13 23:07:38

Surely putting a filter on what you are feeling and what you say is one of the defining attributes of being a grown up?

Sure, but everyone has limits with respect to what they can tolerate. I reached my limit 11 hours into a 12 hour flight to SA, the baby behind me had screamed almost non-stop from boarding. When the stewardess asked me if everything was okay, my answer was more than a little too honest.

DH reached his limit when a lack of parenting resulted in the flight being diverted to the nearest airport, he was not impressed with the mother of the child who had caused a medical emergency complaining about the landing. The lecture he delivered would have been hilarious if I hadn't been so ill at the time (food throwing resulted in contamination and I had a bad reaction).

Backinthebox Mon 17-Jun-13 23:26:41

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll end up saying it again at some point - I have NEVER had a problematic child passenger on a flight. Plenty of extremely troublesome adults (some of whom I have had to call the police to meet on landing for various reasons.) But compared to the average travelling grown-up, most kids are a delight to have on board. I say this with some considerable professional experience, btw.

BlackSwan Tue 18-Jun-13 02:45:51

Children are rarely fat enough to take up half your seat too.
They rarely have interminable body odour or halitosis.
They don't drink.
They don't feel compelled to tell you the reason for their visit to wherever you're going/returning from.
They don't jump out of their seat as soon as the plane touches down and push past you to get their bags down from the locker even though the seatbelt sign is still on.
They don't do man wee all over the walls and floor of the loo.

piprabbit Tue 18-Jun-13 02:55:20

The only time my DD has been on a plane, I sent DH with her while I drove and met them there.

It was bliss - 6 hours alone in a car with Radio 4 and some Cadbury's eclairs.

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 03:18:42

Let's face it, it's not the children that are the problem, but the adults with them. The only time I had a problem was a seven hour flight (actually the second leg of my trip after a 16 hour flight already) and I was next to a mother and her child who must have been just under the cutoff for being on a lap. It was the bulkhead seats and she had the middle seat. She wanted to get up. Then down. Then up. I offered to swap seats with her. No, she wanted the middle. Every time she moved the flight attendants had to come and take the cot out, then put it back, then take it out again. Over and over. The child was too big for the cot, but she wanted it there to put her bags in. Then the child thought it was hilarious to start pulling my hair. Mum laughed and said "oh this is his new game". It kept happening so I went for a walk to the bathrooms, and when I came back I found her changing a pooey nappy on my seat, with no mat or anything underneath it <boark>. I ended up standing in the bulkhead for the duration of the flight. Luckily the purser of first class took pity on me when he found out what was going on and fetched me a very nice bottle of first class wine, a real wine glass and a box of godiva chocolates to keep me amused for the rest of the flight.

olimogadoodle Tue 18-Jun-13 03:29:31

I once flew back from the Channel Islands (a very short flight) on my own with DD1 who was about 2.5 and DD2 who was a small baby. DD2 cried for pretty much the whole (30 mins max) flight and the couple in front spent the entire time, turning round and glaring at me, so I was already stressed out and on edge anyway, in the end the man shouted "can't you give that baby a dummy and shut it up", and then complained to the air stewardess that he had probably been deafened as a result of my baby crying.

I was so upset I sat on the plane crying until everyone had got off as I was terrified of another encounter with him (my husband thought we had missed the plane it was so long before we got out). It was weeks before I could mention it without dissolving into tears and even now 7 years later I think about it every time I get on a plane. I don't know why it upset me quite so much but I really wish I had not been such a quivering wreck and able to say something back to him. Needless to say I was a nervous wreck flying with my children for years after that!

Mimishimi Tue 18-Jun-13 04:03:15

When DD was eight months old and we were flying from the U.S to Australia to visit my parents, there was a simply lovely French woman who offered to look after DD if I needed to go to the loo or have a sleep. Another time, when was two, I had a horrendous flight schedule with three stopovers - one in London, one in Dubai and an 'overnight' stay in Kuala Lumpur before flying to Madras and then catching a connecting flight to Bangalore. I still get nightmares about that trip!!

From New York to London, I wanted to sleep but DD wanted to walk the aisles.. From London to Dubai there was a large group of horrid, fat Arab ladies laden with jewellery who kept pressing the attendant button, kicking me in the back ( to this day I think deliberately), talked loudly with plenty Yaallahs' thrown in,, threw their rubbish on the floor and ended up having a tiff with a hostess. DD was tired by then but neither of us could sleep. In Dubai airport, DD had a total meltdown when she was told by flustered staff that she couldn't keep running back to go through the metal detectors again (after doing it for about three minutes). Everyone really was staring at us. From Dubai to Kuala Lumpur, DD slept like a rock but I couldn't (having had a couple of stiff double espressos in Dubai to survive). So we landed in KL at 11:30 pm local time with her having had 8 hours of solid sleep and me not having slept for about 19.

Narrowly missed shuttle bus to hotel so had to wait just over an hour for the next one. Daughter entertained Malaysian Tamil staff by running up and down shouting her name ( very South Indian one). Bus came and took us to absolutely gorgeous hotel where we were given a wonderful ensuite 'room' ( more like an entire floor- it was by the far the best hotel room I've ever stayed in). DD loved it so much she didn't want to sleep but wanted to play hide-and-seek. Was 2:30am before finally managed to get her off to sleep ( with some threats). 5:30am - 'Allahu Akbar! at full force' me -''wth" as I stumble to the floor to ceiling window and draw the curtains. Stunning view of the beautiful blue domed mosque right next to our hotel. Some chanting then a second 'Allahu Akbar!' at which point DD wakes up wailing and continues until morning prayers have finished. Try to get her to go back to sleep but she's not having a bar of it... we stumble down to a delicious breakfast at 7:30am .. flight leaves at 11 so no time for nap because we have to get to airport.

Couldn't sleep on 3 hour flight to Madras because DD decided that all elderly women were her 'Patti' and made it her mission to endear herself to each and every one of them. Only an hour in Madras but had to sit outside in sweat inducing humidity (in the middle of their winter so hate to think what summer is like) with about a hundred armed guards keeping an eye on us. DD said she needed to go to the loo but they wouldn't let us into the airport. Had a little meltdown myself and they let me in with a 'crazy foreigner' look only after I agreed to leave bags with them. Other passengers, Indians who had also been asking to go to the loo weren't let in and sat staring at us/guards and muttering darkly about the unfairness of it all when we came back. One hour flight to Bangalore .. got about 20mins sleep. 90 minute wait in the floor in a dusty hallBangalore whilst they processed the immigration papers of a previous plane ( they had not yet opened the new international airport there).

Finally came out and practically ran sobbing with relief into the arms of MIL/FiL looking like haggaed wreck (no sleep for 27 hours!).

DS sleeps through all flights...long and short haul... thank god!

aurynne Tue 18-Jun-13 04:25:53

I really am in awe and admiration of all the selfless women in here who, after 12 hours listening to a baby crying, only and exclusively worry about "the poor parents"... It even sounds a bit suspicious.

I have a very sensitive hearing, and a baby crying has the same effect to my ears as someone's nails on a blackboard has to most other people. Regardless of who is at fault, a child crying, especially when it's high-pitched, is a form of unendurable torture for me. Give me a smelly passenger any time, at least the nose gets used to the smell after a while.

I have been travelling both domestically and internationally several times a year, and I would rate annoying/smelly/drunk adults as something that has happened "very occasionally", while screaming children and toddlers and seat-kickers has happened "quite regularly". I would definitely pay more for a child-free plane, please bring them on! I don't understand why anyone would oppose child-free flights... after what I am reading here, it seems they would make everybody happy: the ones who want to use them, and the ones who say they love children in a plane (they would get more children and more children-loving passengers as well). Definitely a win-win situation!

Morloth Tue 18-Jun-13 05:24:51

I would so go on a child free flight.

DS1 was a dream to fly with. DS2 is getting better...

We do the best we can. I am not going to stop flying because I have a toddler, no more or less selfish than anyone else on the plane.

People have been very kind to us the few times DS2 has kicked off. That made things a lot less tense.

But yes, given the choice I would fly without children and would pay more for a seat where there would be no little kids about. I don't feel insulted that others would do the same to avoid my toddler.

Oblomov Tue 18-Jun-13 05:41:06

Where do I book?
There is sandalls, childfree holidays. There are child free restaurants. Why not flights?
Not everyone in the world has or likes kids. I don't like bunjee jumping, but it doesn't bother me if someone wants to do that activity.

nooka Tue 18-Jun-13 06:16:10

There are always a few babies on flights over about 20 people or so IME, but certainly not enough for a whole plane of babies!

I'm not hugely bothered by babies so long as there is in flight entertainment. I just choose a noisy action movie. The last couple of times I've been on a long haul flight I have sat next to a baby. Last time it was two two month old twins (they were very sweet) and I had a nice chat with the dad. The babies both cried a bit but not much considering. Time before that a mum with a baby and a toddler. Again some yelling occurred, but no big deal.

I always have a bit of admiration for travellers with babies, as we didn't take out two anywhere until they were 5 and 6 I think.

The worst experience I've had so far was flying next to a couple who decided that the would sleep all over each other and squashed me into a corner with no escape. It was a red eye flight with screens own the middle of the plane. So not great!

Backinthebox Tue 18-Jun-13 08:43:24

aurynne
"annoying/smelly/drunk adults as something that has happened "very occasionally", while screaming children and toddlers and seat-kickers has happened "quite regularly"."

I would hazard a guess that this is entirely down to the flights you choose to get on. I fly commercial airliners for a living, and the majority of flights I do have very few children and just the occasional baby on. I fly mostly business flights round Europe and North America, and I do a lot of flying in Africa too. But if you fly at certain times of year, on certain routes, (eg go to the Bahamas or south of France in the school holidays, anywhere at all at Christmas or Easter,) and the flight will be crawling with children.

I can guarantee that if there is a problem with a passenger on a flight, it will be an adult. 14 years of flying 100s of thousands of passengers, and I've never once had a problem with a child passenger. I miss being able to show them the cockpit in flight, actually.

Erebus Tue 18-Jun-13 08:47:48

I recall DS1, 11 months, howling pretty much non-stop from Tokyo to London. We (DH and I) had spent a very committed 8 hours keeping him 'entertained' from Sydney to Tokyo, then made the error of a night's stop over, leaving Tokyo at noon, him 'refreshed' after a night's sleep. SO DH and I spent the 11 hours tag team walking him up and down the aisle. Luckily, the plane was full of Japanese who looked pityingly at me rather than tutting and huffing but still. It was a nightmare. Especially when the 9 month old baby of the adjoining couple pretty much slept the whole way, only waking to eat, gurgle and coo....

SO I was absolutely dreading flying DS1 (then 4) and DS2 (2) from Sydney to London 3 years later. We planned the flights as well as possible; 4 hours to Brunei, a 4 hour run around at the airport, a 7 hours stretch to Dubai (where they sort of slept, me sitting on the floor in front of the 3 seater so the DSs could stretch out!), an hour in Dubai airport (at 1am local time, Dubai lit up like a Xmas tree!), then 7 hours to London where again, they slept for 4 hours, then the hard work of the Last Stretch, me bringing amusement after amusement out of a backpack, but thinking, as we overflew Romania, only 3 hours out, "Nearly there! Nearly there!"

But, of course, flying them to Sydney 2 years ago, aged 10 and 12, on a brand new Airbus 380, back-of-the-seat entertainment, was a breeze.

This too shall pass.

Peetle Tue 18-Jun-13 09:21:43

We've flown with the DTs when they were 3, 4 and 5 and soon when they'll be 6. Only for a couple of hours to Spain but the secret seems to be keeping them occupied. We book two pairs of seats on two adjacent rows - a window for each of the girls and then the seat next to them for either of us. We also have a small bag full of little toys to play with, colouring, etc, and some snacks and a drink. The only problem is that they will need the loo during the flight so we have to get the person on our row out. But this shouldn't be an issue, unless the person is really obese (which has happened) and struggles to get out of those tiny chairs.

I resent paying the same price for each of the DTs when they weigh less than my luggage allowance. However, I am looking forward to taking them on flights with seat-back entertainment (it's all been budget flights so far, hence the tiny chairs).

Bertrude Tue 18-Jun-13 09:31:12

Crying children can usually be blocked out with loud music through earphones (as long as the earphones are good enough to not mean everyone else hears you playing metallica)

Children running around on the other hand, cannot.

a few years back, we were in the extra leg room seats in the middle of the plane (3-4-3 set up) to the Maldives, so 11.5 hour flight. The children around us seemed to think it was a cut-through for their races. It was overnight, and as we had paid for extra legroom, we saw this as an opportunity to stretch our legs out in front of us whilst we slept. The children were running through and kept tripping over our feet. The parents had the audacity to complain about us for having our legs in the way of where their children wanted to run, and the mum threw a strop when I complained about their child a few hours later when they had once again run through in front of me (bearing in mind there is very little extra space, just enough to make a difference) and knocked my tray table and therefore my drink all over me for the 3rd time in the flight.

I don't find too many people who piss me off nowadays, I don't fly on a family holiday route or a stag party route only ever go from here to home and back again as we never get annual leave at the same time so the worst I ever seem to get is smelly people.

I think the only thing for it is to win the Euromillions and buy a private jet. Then the only annoying fucker will be my husband, and I'm allowed to swear at him if he pisses me off grin

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 18-Jun-13 09:47:11

That's so unfair Bertrude, it's those kind of parents that give the rest a bad name. My dad took us to Singapore singlehandedly when we were 6, 7 & 9 and when we never have dreamt of running about and even if we did he would have stopped us smartish. I would've asked for a legroom refund! Hopefully if you get a private jet you can have an aisle each!

sunflowered Tue 18-Jun-13 10:19:03

I've never had a problem with a child of any age on a flight (though occasionally had to listen to parents talking so much to keep them 'entertained' you could see the children rolling eyes at each other and wishing dad would leave them alone wink ). In the.modern world people often need to travel to see family overseas and I'd much rather be sat near someone with dc than some of the obnoxious adults I've been squeezed next to on occasion. I did once see a near-accident when the attendent with the drinks trolley (walking backwards) was blissfully unaware of the littl'un that had resourcefully crawled into the aisle to make itself more space...

I have a problem with people who have a problem with seat recliners though (sorry...) Obviously I'd be sensitive if there was a small child on someone's lap behind me, and i've never been on a flight where the attendents didn't insist people sit up during mealtimes. We changed in Dubai on our way back from visiting family in Australia last year. We'd already been travelling for 20 hours and to say that I was green about the gills doesn't do it justice (have never had a problem flying before so wasn't something I could have prepared forsad ). Dh and I reclined to catch an hour or so's sleep before the meal came round and were told in no uncertain terms by the people behind us that it was a midday flight and we had no right to want to go to sleep, if we wanted comfort we should travel business class and who needs to sleep in the middle of the day anyway. If he hadn't been so rude we would have been much more accommodating. We were only reclining as much as the seats were designed to... He responded by kicking the seat the rest of the way home and making constant comments about us - could only laugh at him though when he kicked off with the attendent about how inconsiderate we were and look at how little space he had when I was sitting bolt upright Needless to say he didn't get a sympathy vote from her at that point.

Wow. Didn't realise I was still so worked up about that guy. Sorry for the rant... I'm normally a very calm and considerate traveller, I promise grin

IShallCallYouSquishy Tue 18-Jun-13 10:25:03

Hearing stories of how people react to children on flights does not help with high anxiety!

I'm the type of person that gets so worried and so upset if my DD (12.5 months) makes any kind of cry or scream in public. She is generally a very happy girl but if she cries I have an almost full blown panic attack. I worry everyone is judging me and I feel like the worlds worst parent.

I'm never getting on a flight with her. Ever. I think I would probably have a heart attack!

Ok I'm only half serious but it would be a very high stress time for me blush

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 18-Jun-13 10:28:12

Therein lies the rub sunflowered, if he'd made a polite enquiry you could've explained but when someone is so rude it puts your back up doesn't it, it can feel so claustrophobic in those seats especially if you feel panicky/ill. When a person in front of my DH refused to put her chair up she was stage whispering to her travel companion 'they better not fucking say anything, I can lie down if I fucking like' before we'd even said anything!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 18-Jun-13 10:29:43

I can understand that Squishy, I was hyperventilating on my flight but found breathing in to a sickbag really helped

Morloth Tue 18-Jun-13 10:33:25

We regularly do the London-Sydney run, it is pretty dreadful TBH but kids happen.

As long as parents are doing their best to keep them contained/quiet then I don't mind too much and I do my best as well.

I did insist on being seated away from a family once. We had flown Sydney to New York with them and DS2 was a nightmare - they were so kind (which is bloody hard work after 27 hours of screeching), 3 weeks later, we turn up at the check in desk for the return flight and who do we run into?!

I let them check in first and then explained to the woman at the counter what had happened and how it would be cruel to ruin their return flight as well!

Then the little bugger slept pretty much the whole way...

nannynicnic Tue 18-Jun-13 10:39:24

I flew heathrow - jfk and back in feb with my 2 charges who are 3 & 4 (dad was with us). The looks we got when we entered the plane into premier economy could have killed us! Luckily they are very well behaved children. They watched films, played on their leap pads all the way out, and slept all the way back as it was a night flight.

I personally have been on numerous flights where there's been unruly children who's parents appear to not be able to control. These are the worst children. I don't mind crying babies as unfortunately they are only young, and are going to cry! The last flight i took, there was a 5 month old maybe sat across from me.. i was half dreading it as all I wanted to do was to sleep. But it was the quietest baby I have known, happy, smiley and not a sound for the whole journey!

MidniteScribbler Tue 18-Jun-13 10:41:05

Backinthebox, I still remember being taken up to the cockpit at about 3am on a flight to Hong Kong when I was about eight. I still have the little model cathay pacific plane that the pilot gave me. I'm so disappointed that DS will never get to go.

MamaBear17 Tue 18-Jun-13 10:43:51

I wont take my dd on a plane until she is older because I am terrified of being the mum desperately trying to shush the screaming almost two year old!

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 18-Jun-13 10:49:52

It does surprise me when people expect for the plane to be quiet enough to sleep in during the day without headphones, it is as another poster pointed out public transport after all.

Binkybix Tue 18-Jun-13 11:16:27

sunflowred I would still be angry with that man too.

MinesaBottle Tue 18-Jun-13 11:29:40

Usually it doesn't bother me much as small DCs and babies don't normally make a noise the whole time and I'd rather hear children than some idiot playing a game on their phone with the sound on for hours and hours...

We had a hideous flight from Sydney to Singapore a few years ago where we were in premium economy (so a small area) and a little girl of about 2 was screaming and crying that she wanted her daddy for almost the whole flight. She then threw up lavishly all over herself and her mum on the descent. I really, really could have done without it especially as it was a night flight but my God, I felt so sorry for the mum. She looked grey by the time we landed and more than one of us gave her a sympathetic pat on the shoulder as we exited. The flight attendant told us Daddy was up in first class shock

TheBigJessie Tue 18-Jun-13 11:39:55

minesaBottle
Oh. My. God.

That poor woman should have left the bastard!

iwantanafternoonnap Tue 18-Jun-13 11:40:44

I'm normally asleep before take off regardless of the amount of noise/babies crying. I am taking DS 3 on a plane to Germany in 2 weeks so if anyone has any really handy hints to make it easier for me and him I would be really grateful. It's just me and him going so will be dealing with him, child seat, 2 small suitcases........I'm already dreading it!

ProudAS Tue 18-Jun-13 11:48:05

I had a child repeatedly kick my seat on a flight and when I asked her father to do something about it he said that she couldn't help it due to the length of her legs. My legs were that length once but I was not allowed to kick seats.

I don't think anyone should have to put up with having their seat kicked (especially with lower back pain right where she was kicking and sensory issues associated with my Aspergers) and that if her father condoned it he should have had her behind him. My DH who is less sensitive kindly offered to swap seats.

ProudAS Tue 18-Jun-13 11:50:37

Oh and don't forget those passengers who are hyper sensitive to noise or suffer from anxiety (bad enough on an aircraft without a screaming child).

MinesaBottle Tue 18-Jun-13 11:52:05

I'm a nervous flyer but I find the sound of children distracts me as I can't hear the aircraft noises grin

inneedofrain Tue 18-Jun-13 11:53:06

Um, I´m one of those child liking people!

I have actually moved to sit with a young mum and baby of about 12months on a very very very long flight. A women was having a right go at the mum who was clearly at the total end of her teather. So I asked the chief steward if it would help if I sat with mum and baby and the women could have my seat? They we ever so grateful (women was complaining like mad).

I switched over and said hi do you want some help? Poor Mum nearly collapsed in tears. I spent the next 8 hours with baby on of off of my lap, playing with anything I could find that was suitable in my handbag including my laptop. Let mum eat and drink and go to the loo in peace, Mum even managed to get some sleep and baby and I were most happy.

So the plane is comming into heathrow and The stewards announce that everyone has to remain seated as there was a passenger that needs to be an urgent medical transfer.

Mum is packing her bag up and baby is on my lap, I turn to mum and say sorry but I think you might be stuck for a little while longer. Grumpy women was complaining like mad that she was being delayed and was then even more grumpy when the man in the seat next to her gets up and walks down the cabin to me (as he has been doing every 30mins through the flight), She starts loudly shouting that its not fair , he´s moving about she keeps on shouting right up to and through the point of my wheel chair being bought down the aisle and my male NURSE hooking up various bits of equipment. The stewards took great pleasure in annoucing that Mum and Baby would be getting off with me! Plane errupts into clapping when the grumpy women is jerred into silence by the lovely big bloke behind her

Mum, baby (now 14) and I remain great friends and they are flying to OZ next week to visit family.

It doesn´t take much to be nice to people! I personally think we should have arsehole free flights

Lambzig Tue 18-Jun-13 11:53:09

This reminds me of a flight back from Cyprus that we took with DD when she was 15 months. She just could not stand sitting still and was a bit little to be distracted with books etc.

We were sitting in the window and middle seat with a lady travelling alone in the aisle seat. We offered to swap with her as we knew we would be up with DD a couple of times and she said no she preferred the aisle seat. Fair enough. About an hour into the flight the distractions stopped working, DD kicked off and DH asked her politely to let us out so he could walk up and down with DD for a bit.

She refused saying "no, I am not moving, there is no need for anyone to leave their seat on a 3.5 hour flight" and wouldn't move. She also told DD to "shut the fuck up you revolting brat". We tried to reason with her to let us out, DH said he would take DD away for a it, but she wouldn't move. She called the attendant and told her to drug DD (who was really going for it now as I was crying and DH was close to losing his temper) and claimed that DH had slapped her. Luckily the attendant was on our side, made her move and told her if she refused to move again, she would be arrested when we landed. She spent the rest of the flight swearing about DD under her breath and calling me a bad mother while DH walked up and down the aisle. Horrible, horrible flight.

We are flying on Sunday and DD is easy now at 3 as she is happy with a book or film, but am dreading it with DS who is just seven months and crawling and won't sit on anyone's lap for 10 seconds straight.

theodorakisses Tue 18-Jun-13 11:53:10

I am an intolerant flier and unless people are loud parenting and showing off which, in my experience, is more likely than screaming, I appreciate that I am a plane snob. I simply fly less frequently and never, ever into the Uk but only go first or business. My problem, my choice not because I think that frazzled parents should be tutted at but because in all honestly, other people's kids are not people i want to sit next to/be asked to help with poos/wees/hear them counting etc on a plane. I like to lie back and blot everyone out with a glass of something

theodorakisses Tue 18-Jun-13 12:05:21

I was talking to some friends the other day and they were saying it really winds them up when the cabin crew put their 2 and 4 year olds tv screens on because they don't want their children to think that a 23 hour flight means television. ditto the kids meals, they take lentils (exaggeration) in a tub. Whether their children are well behaved or monstrous on a plane, I still pity them.

I travel with my teen DD's, i would rather have crying children around me than young males discussing their sex lives and putting down women whenever they can, which seems to becoming the norm on every type of public transport.

Dd was someone who when she learned to talk didnt then stop. When she was two we had a long transatlantic flight. She did not stop talking once. I was going grey. Lady behind us tapped me on te shoulder at the end and complimented me on her behaviour. I looked at her shock and gibbered, but she didn't stop talking shock.
She did the same on the return night flight.

Then we had the delayed flight from hell. Dd was soo tired as it was so late when we got on board. Lovely stewardess tried to move the lady next to me so dd could stretch out instead of having to lie across me. Lady refused sad stewardess plied me unbidden with wine through the night.

zanz1bar Tue 18-Jun-13 12:21:57

Its the adults that behave badly. I have had a man push me back from my buggy and step over it bashing Ds over the head with his bag to get to the front of the shuttle bus.
On another night flight the couple in front pissed out of their heads singing, swearing being obnoxiuos to all the attendents.

papooshka Tue 18-Jun-13 12:26:01

We regularly do longhaul flights with our 2 kids, and have done since they were both tiny babies. It was a nightmare when they used to cry but me feeding them usually quietened them down. I find on the big planes you can hardly hear the babies crying anyway as the engines are so loud!

I actually find the other adults more annoying, getting drunk, snoring, talking loudly the whole time (for 13 hours!!), turning their lights on and off, pushing the back of the seat etc etc

Bunbaker Tue 18-Jun-13 12:59:28

Maybe it is becasue I choose destinations that aren't that small child friendly or destinations that don't appeal to stag parties/hen dos/groups of twenty somethings, but I have never encountered drunk and loutish behaviour on a flight and only once had a screaming toddler near me, and that was something that couldn't be avoided.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Tue 18-Jun-13 13:18:33

Mines a bottle, what a bastard! Im an anxious flier too so any distraction is welcome. I have found that the kids that latch on to stranger on a plane are the same poor buggers that do it round the pool at the resort too whilst mum and dad studiously ignore them. Helping out with a baby is a lovely thing to do though ineedofrain, I hope that woman was suitably ashamed. Lambzig I think your experience wins the prize for most horrendous, how did you keep your temper??

Lambzig Tue 18-Jun-13 14:52:26

We hadn't had a good trip and I am afraid I just cried rather than shouting. Probably for the best.

icklemssunshine1 Tue 18-Jun-13 14:59:58

DD is 23 months, flown with her 3x. First flight she was 4 months (slept all way through), 2nd she was 10 months (big family hol. MIL & BIL on hand!!) and 3rd flight she was 14 months (only to Ireland, not really long enough to cause trouble).

Going to Spain in August & she'll be 2 years + 2 month. Eek!! Just hoping she doesn't have one of her (many) tantrums.

Know hijacking the thread but any advice to keep a 2 year old entertained for 2 1/2 hours whose favourite activity is running, jumping & dancing around like a maniac? (Contemplating the Peppa Pig on loop like what wash ruined unthread but I think I may kill myself).

amicissimma Tue 18-Jun-13 15:26:01

People who complain about noisy children should try a night flight with my DH. A few hours of his snoring would make a screaming child seem appealing.

olimogadoodle Tue 18-Jun-13 16:24:28

Lambzig my horrible passenger pales into insignificance compared to yours, thank goodness the crew were on your side! x

clam Tue 18-Jun-13 17:09:31

lambzig! shock How horrible!

icklemssunshine1 Tue 18-Jun-13 17:59:53

inneedof that's a wonderful story - you sound lovely smile

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 18-Jun-13 18:02:46

lambzig shock

What an outrageously unpleasant woman she was!

I do worry about some people,that is clearly not normal behaviour.

I always really feel for parents whose babies/toddlers cry on flights, they're always so apologetic and embarrassed about it. It isn't ideal for anybody but realistically speaking,nothing can be done about it,so there is absolutely not point getting your arse in your hands about a crying child.

Unlike people who kick the backs of seats. I hate those people.

Eastpoint Tue 18-Jun-13 22:25:51

One of my friends offered her crying baby to the man who was tutting and asked him if he could do any better.

inneedofrain Tue 18-Jun-13 22:29:00

Eastpoint love your friend!!!!!!!

nohalfmeasures Wed 19-Jun-13 08:53:33

No everyone moans. We were on a 5hr flight when DS1 was 6months. He wouldn't stop crying and a lady appeared from the back of the cabin and asked if I would like some respite.
She walked him up and down for about 20 mins, and was so lovely and kind it made my day.

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