To be on Tina's side in Cornation Street

(101 Posts)
CelticPixie Wed 12-Jun-13 20:26:07

I just want her to take that baby and run as far away as she can from the hideously rough and dis functional Armstrong/Windass family. Gary and Izzy rushed into the surrogacy without thinking it through properly and their relationship is not stable. Owen is well dodgy, Auntie Katy is a selfish cow who walked out on her lovely boyfriend and father of her son for a bad boy, Anna is a fishwife and then there is Faye the spawn of Satan. I can't blame Tina for deciding she doesn't want the baby to go to them after all. He'll be dragged up, poor thing.

It's sad how involved in this storyline I've become actually. How dare Anna speak to Rita like that!

Samu2 Wed 12-Jun-13 20:28:27

I am on her side too.

AmyFarrahFowlerCooper Wed 12-Jun-13 20:31:35

Me too.

WaitingForPancakeDay Wed 12-Jun-13 20:32:50

I am rooting for Tina too! I thought I was the only one!

missmash Wed 12-Jun-13 20:34:33

Your mad!wink She is essentially stealing them-their DNA, it's just such a ridiculous storyline, really sloppy, obvious plot from the writers, I love Tina as a character but it makes md want to turn off-but I don't cos I luffs corrie!

Panzee Wed 12-Jun-13 20:36:48

Anna and her husband conned a free kitchen out of Tina's dad, starting his slide into debt and death. I hope she remembers this and tells Anna it's her fault. grin

CelticPixie Wed 12-Jun-13 20:40:45

Yes, that is correct Panzee. How fitting that Tina is getting revenge on Anna by pinching her "grandson" and calling him Joe. Could only happen in a soap.

miffybun73 Wed 12-Jun-13 20:41:02

YANBU, I'm on Tina's side too.

I hope that the baby turns out to be hers and Tommy's genetically. I think they slept together around the time that they were supposed to be abstaining because of the IVF.

Maybe she was a few days pregnant with Tommy's baby and it was too early to be detected.

Don't know if this is even possible, but then again it's not real life is it ?! smile

tungthai Wed 12-Jun-13 20:51:02

I would not be on her side if it was real life. She carried the baby that is all. Can you imagine how devastated you would feel if you were Izzy.

summerinsession Wed 12-Jun-13 20:59:51

I am too I do feel for gary and izzy as biologically that is there baby but without tina there would be no baby at all just donated sperm and a donated agg, its tina who has grew the baby, carried it and birthed it of course it will feel like hers. I could easily donate me eggs but could never hand a child id birthed over.

blackbirdatglanmore Wed 12-Jun-13 21:02:08

I do think it must be devestating to be a woman whose only chance to have a child is use a surrogate and to watch this programme.

The Windasses and Armstrongs are tossers, but Tina knew this seven months ago.

Bearbehind Wed 12-Jun-13 21:04:01

Sad, but I've never forgotten when 'Izzy' forgot she was wheelchair bound in one of the live shows and stood up in the Rovers so I just want to slap her whinging face now.

OhTheConfusion Wed 12-Jun-13 21:07:31

Izzy (the character) can stand.

onedev Wed 12-Jun-13 21:08:01

I'm on Tina's side too! grin

Firsttimemummy33 Wed 12-Jun-13 21:09:36

Izzy is a wheelchair user in real life - she is not paralysed so is able to stand.

SoftKittyWarmKitty Wed 12-Jun-13 21:09:48

Bear the actress who plays Izzy has a disability (can't recall the name of it though) which means it's difficult for her to walk far but she can stand and walk a few steps I believe. Hence her standing at the bar in the live ep smile.

I'm itching for the baby to be T & T's. I hope they DNA test it. If the Windarses take her to court, I bet the judge will order one and the truth will be revealed in the Christmas episode or something.

Goodadvice1980 Wed 12-Jun-13 21:11:07

Team Tina all the way!

Izzy is bloody annoying!

Izzy isn't paralyzed, she has the same condition in real life as she has in the show, she uses a wheelchair but she can stand.

angry

SoftKitty She has Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, it's a genetic disorder to do with connective tissues and puts you at very high risk of dislocations along with other things, that and the pain is what makes it hard to walk and why she will be in the wheel chair but still able to stand. smile

CaramelLatte Wed 12-Jun-13 21:16:06

Team Tina here too, really hoping the baby does turn out to be hers.

IRCL Wed 12-Jun-13 21:19:13

I can see how hard it is for Tina but I also feel for Gary and Izzy having no legal right to their biological child.

To be fair Tina and Tommy relationship is hardly stable.

reminds self it's not real

IRCL Wed 12-Jun-13 21:20:14

I can see how hard it is for Tina but I also feel for Gary and Izzy having no legal right to their biological child.

To be fair Tina and Tommy relationship is hardly stable.

reminds self it's not real

FeckOffCup Wed 12-Jun-13 21:21:05

I hope Tina keeps the baby and turns out to be it's biological mother, Anna and Izzy's whingy voices get right on my nerves. I used to think Gary was ok but he has been a dick recently, but how lovely is Tommy supporting Tina when he told her from the start it would go pear shaped.

zukiecat Wed 12-Jun-13 21:22:01

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FutTheShuckUp Wed 12-Jun-13 21:23:47

How the hell could you stand if you were paralysed? confused
And im NOT on Tina's side- I think she is being a total cow- she knew the risks of getting attached and knew what a wanky family the Windasses were when she went into it- why bring up all that shit now.

Bearbehind Wed 12-Jun-13 21:25:12

Bugger- I know it's not real but why, if she can stand up, is that the only time I can ever recall her doing it? she still gets on my wick though

Sparklymommy Wed 12-Jun-13 21:25:46

I too am on Tina's side. I could not be a surrogate for the simple reason that I know once I had carried a child and given birth to it I couldn't hand it over.

Tina was pressured into this arrangement by bully boy Owen, who saw a vulnerable young woman desperate for cash and chose to use her to get what he wanted for his daughter who chooses not to carry a child herself. In real life I do not believe that the time scale would be so quick. Izzy only had her miscarriage a matter of weeks before Tina was impregnated with the child. And a first miscarriage at that.

I had ten miscarriages between dd1 and ds1. It was after the tenth that I seriously started to consider other ways of expanding our family, looking into adoption as an option. I didn't do this lightly and eventually dh persuaded me to give it one more try. So glad I did because the next pregnancy I had was Ds1, followed swiftly by ds2 and dd2.

This storyline just seems so rushed and almost unnecessary. Izzy was told when she had her mc that there was no reason why she couldn't carry a child. It was HER decision not to have another attempt. She chose instead to put her trust and hope into Tina, a young woman without children of her own who would not know how she would feel once she had given birth. A risky decision to say the very least!

NachoAddict Wed 12-Jun-13 21:26:05

I'm torn, I like tina but the baby is Gary and Izzy's and she should give it to them.

I couldn't hand over a baby I have carried bit that is why I would never be a surrogate.

Could Gary as the father have the same rights to access as any other dad even if tina keeps the baby?

KittensoftPuppydog Wed 12-Jun-13 21:27:52

What do you mean it's not real shock????

gordyslovesheep Wed 12-Jun-13 21:28:47

it's not Tina's baby - it's Izzy'z and Gary's

I get that you don't like the family but I am not sure why Tina is a better mother than Izzy?

neither womens partners or families are saintly

Pigsmummy Wed 12-Jun-13 21:35:20

Who's egg was used?

VitoCorleone Wed 12-Jun-13 21:35:28

To be fair Izzy was told she could carry and give birth to a baby, so i dont know why she chose to go with a surrogate.

Im team Tina. And watching this has reminded me why i could never be a surrogate, i couldnt hand a baby over that id carried and given birth to.

Bearbehind Wed 12-Jun-13 21:38:24

I must have missed that Izzy could physically carry a child. Why did she keep saying if she could have carried it she would have? I like her even less now.

gordyslovesheep Wed 12-Jun-13 21:38:28

Izzy's egg (I thought)

amothersplaceisinthewrong Wed 12-Jun-13 21:41:03

Another vote for Tina. But why she would want to keep a baby with Windass genes is another matter...

The baby is legally Tina's, Gary and Izzy would have been told the possible outcomes ...

apostropheuse Wed 12-Jun-13 21:41:14

Izzy was told she could carry a child. She didn't want to try again as she said she couldn't go through having another miscarriage. Gary tried to persuade her to try again but she refused, so they decided on surrogacy.

MsVestibule Wed 12-Jun-13 21:44:28

Yes, Izzy's egg and Gary's sperm. I'd forgotten that Tina and Tommy had sex just before the implantation of the fertilized egg, so that'll be how she gets to keeps the baby guilt free. (Nearly 30 years of CS addiction/experience gives me the confidence to know that this is the case.)

Izzy could carry a child, but with her condition, it's pretty risky. Anyway, where would this storyline be if she decided to do it herself!

SaveWaterDrinkMalibu Wed 12-Jun-13 21:48:55

Team Tina!!

scaevola Wed 12-Jun-13 21:55:31

Izzy has EDS, and the storyline about her PG was badly handled - it would certainly have been consultant led care, and there is a rather higher than typical chance of not going to term. Some women with EDS cannot carry a PG far enough along for the baby to survive outside the uterus, so it wasn't a clear choice for Izzy, as there was no way to tell whether she would indeed carry a PG far enough for successful outcome.

Also, EDS is an autosomal dominant genetic condition. There is no telling in advance how far someone would be affected (Katie lives a normal life). Izzy and Gary did apparently go for genetic screening, but Corrie case not to air anything about the heritable component of EDS.

Ruby1080 Wed 12-Jun-13 22:26:09

As someone who's had IVF, I've found the whole storyline ridiculous from the start. It was a matter of a few weeks from deciding they were going to do it to Tina being pregnant. No mention of synchronising Tina and Izzy's cycles - Izzy just went to have her eggs collected one day and that was that.

I think the storyline's done a great disservice to surrogacy, with most of the characters treating it as something weird and referring to the baby as Tina's, when it's not. I think they had a chance to raise awareness but have just sensationalised the issue and perpetuated the idea of "freakiness" around it.

blackbirdatglanmore Wed 12-Jun-13 22:45:10

I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph, Ruby.

valiumredhead Wed 12-Jun-13 22:58:25

Team Tina in this housegrin

its a stupid storyline, its not her baby she will be homeless single mother, bringing up a baby that's not her, Gary would get visitation rights under law as he is father poor izzy gets no rights even though she is babies mum. In real life how would the child feel when he finds out gary and izzy are his parents and Tina kept him away from them, oh and she did it for money.

valiumredhead Wed 12-Jun-13 23:08:55

It's a fab story linegrin

Panzee Wed 12-Jun-13 23:11:36

Anna should have been the surrogate. She's young enough and has had children before, so she would know what's in store.

NotYoMomma Wed 12-Jun-13 23:16:47

Team Izzy here!

elliejjtiny Wed 12-Jun-13 23:43:47

Izzy's EDS is severe. I have mild EDS and I've had 3 miscarriages and a premature birth. Pregnancy with severe EDS is very risky.

WestieMamma Thu 13-Jun-13 00:42:45

I have mild EDS and have an 8 week old baby. This is the first I've heard about it causing problems with pregnancy other than the extreme PGP from about 8 weeks and still going. shock

scaevola Thu 13-Jun-13 08:26:31

Anna Windass, according to Corriepedia, was born in 1967 so was probably excluded from surrogacy on age. Though there's more flexibility for within families, I think it cuts off even for family at 45.

hamilton75 Thu 13-Jun-13 08:35:40

The thing I don't understand is that they seem to think Gary would have no legal rights and that's just not correct. If/when he goes to court and proves he is the father/gets parental responsibility then on the face of it he will have a much in the way of a legal right to the child as Tina does.

Fathers do get to bring up children in this day and age.

hamilton75 Thu 13-Jun-13 08:37:47

I think Anna should have been the surrogate too. Its not her age that maters it is the age of the genetic mother - Izzy. Anna wouldn't have been any higher risk than Tina really if its not her egg. That's how 60 year olds have babies.

lydiajones Thu 13-Jun-13 11:05:44

YABU - the baby belongs to Issy and Gary.

squoosh Thu 13-Jun-13 11:17:08

But it's not her baby! She's effectively kidnapped another couple's child.

Legal shmegal, it is Izzy's flesh and blood whether you like it or not, I'm shocked so many people are on the Human Tangerine's side.

(reminds self it is not real)

I too think there will be many pro surrogacy people out there feeling a bit miffed at this storyline.

wannaBe Thu 13-Jun-13 11:19:11

legally the baby belongs to tina even though biologically it's not her's.

I would never and could never be a surrogate and I don't agree with it on many levels, but I think this storyline does highlight something which is generally not talked about openly, which is that surrogates can and do change their minds. The timescales etc are ridiculous, but the issue of tina changing her mind is a real one but which is one which is pretty much not addressed.

crumblepie Thu 13-Jun-13 11:22:21

team izzy here .but surprised anna is getting so nasty thought she would try the calm approach !

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 12:37:24

Naaaah never liked Anna much, I'm not surprised.

The baby is huge for a 32 weeker grin

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 12:38:39

squoosh except is it Izzy's flesh and blood seeing as Tina the Tangerine 'grew' him? All very complicated.

NotSoNervous Thu 13-Jun-13 12:46:49

Team Tina here too

Does anyone know if she's allowed to keep him?

squoosh Thu 13-Jun-13 12:47:24

Oooooooh but it's a very confusing and modern world we live in.

(I'm more interested in Dev exposing that ratbag as the true killer).

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 12:53:25

I loathe Dev normally but he;s like a dog with a bone atm grin

SavoyCabbage Thu 13-Jun-13 12:54:07

When Tina was pushed into doing a pregnancy test at Anna's, there was some surprise that it was positive so soon. Which leads me to believe she was already pregnant with tommy's baby.

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 12:57:54

Oooooo and that's why the baby is big and came early?! So the baby is Tina and Tommy's? <claps hands with glee and relief>

I do know it's not real blush

I agree with everything the OP says about the Windass / Armstrong gang, I hate the lot of them. Whereas I like Tina. I also think that the whole thing is totally unrealistic and really badly thought out. However, unless the baby does turn out to be biologically Tommy and Tina's they should hand him over to Gary and Izzy anything else would be unbelievably cruel. Imagine the effect on the child finding out you had done that to their biological parents when they are older.

He is massive isn't he? I thought that when Tina was giving him his first cuddle the other night.

squoosh Thu 13-Jun-13 13:13:17

Yep he's remarkably hale and hearty for a premature baby!

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 13:14:15

When I gave my 32 weeker his first cuddle a week after birth his head was SO tiny I just kept staring at him hoping I wouldn't break him grin

Am I going mad or do I remember hearing that Tina is leaving? Is it going to be that it becomes too much for her to live around there so she moves away to raise him where the Windasses/Armstrongs can't find her?

Flyingtree Thu 13-Jun-13 13:46:39

Spoiler alert.

Hoping Corrie takes it all the way with a lengthy, detailed court case on what is becoming a modern dilemma. But they'll probably just make Tina run away with the baby, as it's Soapland, and because she's said in interviews she's leaving the show.

ClartyCarol Thu 13-Jun-13 13:51:17

Tina should give them their baby. Imagine having a mini Gary Windass glowering up at you from his cot?

I know nothing about EDS but is there a chance the baby could inherit it from Izzy? I don't remember any talk of screening embryos.

How is Tina proposing to pay back all the money to Owen? I'm not surprised Anna kicked off really after seeing how devastated Izzy was. Imagine if someone walked over to you, took your child from your arms and said 'I'm having him, thank you very much". This is not that much different. I know Tina gave birth to him but he's not hers to keep and she knew that all along.

I don't like any of the people in this storyline and i hope they wrap it up very soon. However if it is Gary and Izzy's (biologically) then he should be with them. The law is on Tina's side and so it should be imo.

I can't believe Tango Tina took Tommy and his smiling forehead back so willingly. He got her into this mess in the first place.

Corrie often show Izzy sliding onto a chair or back into her wheelchair and she has been shown standing more than once. I see her in my local occasionally and she stands to order her food/drinks.

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 13:53:43

Off topic but where is Tyrone's ex now? Surely not in prison still? And no contact with the baby at all?

Anna is a dick at times. Also if Faye lets it slip that Owen hit her she'll be gone. Where is faye? I like how they engineered a storyline that had her not being around so they could get their teeth into the surrogacy story without having Adoptive child abandonment issues to deal with too.

ClartyCarol Thu 13-Jun-13 13:58:23

And Aunty Katy and her turbulent love life, along with Anna's problems with Faye, have naff all to do with Izzy's ability to raise her son. Let's face it - if procreation was restricted to those people with entirely conventional and functional extended families then the human race would be in serious trouble.

She's awaiting sentencing Valium.

Hasn't Tina only been pregnant for a month or something grin

The baby imo is Izzys as its her egg. Tina was paid and used as a 'rent a womb'.

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 14:01:14

Sentencing for what though? What is she being charged with? It was all so rushed at the end of that storyline <irritated>

Anna pissed me off handing Faye over to her dad - utterly ridiculous, where are the SS in all this, wouldn't there be a case worker involved...or something?

I might have to start a whole different thread grin

ClartyCarol Thu 13-Jun-13 14:05:35

Kirsty charged with ABH\GBH\perjury\wasting police time possibly? Take your pick!

I'm not sure actually. Lying under oath? Trying to get an innocent man sent to prison? GBH?

Btw I only see this if I'm at my mums. I prefer my shows to be more realistic. That's why I watch Hollyoaks grin

squoosh Thu 13-Jun-13 14:07:15

In fairness, Tina's own family is just as dysfunctional as Izzy and Gary's. Her Dad committed suicide to avoid a loanshark (or was he murdered, can't really remember?), she doesn't speak to her mother, her boyfriend ran off with the woman he was pretending to be going out with in order to get her a visa.

She went out with David Platt!

(is not real. is not real. is not real)

Joe tried to fake his death but ballsed up and actually died instead.

ifancyashandy Thu 13-Jun-13 18:25:58

Izzy doesn't deserve that baby. She's had too much Botox.

bottleofbeer Thu 13-Jun-13 18:45:37

Hazy legal area this one. There aren't any real laws on it in this country.

If a case like this goes to court it's basically like any other custody battle, whichever parent is deemed fittest. Even if the baby is genetically the surrogate's baby.

I know this stuff first hand btw.

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 18:49:58

How, if legally the baby is Tina's?

bottleofbeer Thu 13-Jun-13 18:54:31

If the biological father and the IP (intended parent - Izzy) fight for custody it literally comes down to who the guardian ad litem thinks will be in the best interest of the baby.

Just like any parent can fight the other for custody.

I was astounded by how it actually works when I saw it in action. You always just assume the birth mother can keep the baby - as simple as that - if she chooses to. She often can't.

valiumredhead Thu 13-Jun-13 18:59:08

Interesting but non applicable as the baby is Tommy'sgrin

bottleofbeer Thu 13-Jun-13 19:09:31

Oh, well it's all sorted then! grin

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Thu 13-Jun-13 19:21:32

I also think the baby is actually Tommy and Tina's. It will all come to a head in court when they order a DNA test. And it will be the Christmas day special.
I will bet 4p on it!

andrewmarrismysecretcrush Thu 13-Jun-13 19:28:25

Squoosh, I have spent ALL DAY worrying about Dev and those bloody keys
I even woke my Mum up early this morning to discuss it with her [not amused!!]. If I remember correctly, Killer Karl knicked Sunits'a door keys from the hospital, did the dirty deed, then placed the pub ones back in her drawer. I cant remember what he did with her door keys though!!
Btw, Mum reckons Beths Craig saw something...she read it in Pondlife..oops sorry, I mean Soaplife [shite mag she buys!!] Happy to admit I love Corrie with a passion. Watched Lewis' leaving at least 4 times and bawled my eyes out!!!

I thought the law was that the person who gives birth is the legal mother. When the whole storyline of Tracey pretending to be pregnant with Ryan's baby was funny as if she was, surely Steve would legally be the father as they are married.

he took her keys back to her house and left them there..god I watch the soaps to much x

andrewmarrismysecretcrush Thu 13-Jun-13 20:11:22

Teenagetantrums...thank you! Now am going to have to wait to see if the penny drops with Dev that there were no keys in Sunita's stuff that the hospital must have given him when she died. Think I better go home and have a lie down!!

bottleofbeer Thu 13-Jun-13 20:16:43

The mother is the legal parent. But any parental residency can be contested. Mother has baby, refuses to hand it over, biological father (and IP) fight for custody...

Also, if the bio father and his wife win then it more often than not goes to legal adoption IE the non carrying mother legally adopts the baby and then the birth mother has zero legal rights left to that child. For the most part it never comes to that because the surrogate gives them the baby and all goes to plan.

Now a lot of surrogates go into this from the goodness of their heart, they're stable women often with already completed families and a supportive husband (who is automatically the legal father as he's married to the mother). These are pretty much always the stories we hear of because they're happy, shiny endings. But remember there are no clear cut laws in this country so sadly there are a lot of vunerable women out there and although nothing more than 'expenses' can be paid it's not regulated so large sums of cash can be involved and that can lure them into it to get out of debt, feed existing children and are, for the most part, single.

Then when it goes to court, bio father looks a much better bet and wins the custody battle. It needs to me much more regulated, really. Honestly, it's not even that rare. I've seen it happen and although it sounds all very anecdotal this was a fairly typical case of a surrogacy gone wrong.

EMUZ Thu 13-Jun-13 20:16:57

The Dev storyline is annoying me now I want to shout "just get on and solve it!" At the tv

Poppylovescheese Thu 13-Jun-13 20:22:46

Team Tina!!!

no sorry Andrew, carl took sunitas house keys and replaced them with rovers keys so dev still got a set of keys..lol

ignore that just read your post to the end..i am also worried about dev, I really need to get out more

needaholidaynow Thu 13-Jun-13 20:50:13

I reckon the baby will turn out to be Tommy's.

I really hope so for Izzy and Gary's sake really, because it must be heartbraking seeing someone else across the street bringing up your biological child. (I know, it's only a tv show! But there will be people in real life in that position and I'm glad I will never be one of those people. Must be awful.

At least if the baby turns out to be Tommy's, then Izzy and Gary can have closure and won't have to see their child being brought up so close yet so far away.

AmberSocks Thu 13-Jun-13 21:08:21

but isnt the baby made from izzys egg and garys sperm?

ClartyCarol Thu 13-Jun-13 21:20:08

Yes that was the intention but rumour has it that the baby will turn out to be Tommy and Tina's, i.e she was already pregnant.

I don't think she could have been they check when doing IVF that you are not pregnant before they implant embryo, its not her baby and Gary will be able to get visitation/custody.

ClartyCarol Thu 13-Jun-13 22:53:48

Yes I thought an IVF clinic would have very sensitive pg tests to prevent any situation like that occurring.

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