to think its a bit rough to lump Daddy Pig in with Homer Simpson in the deadbeat dad stakes?

(38 Posts)
quesadilla Wed 12-Jun-13 12:31:47

Article in today's Times about parents resenting the negative portrayal of dads as lazy, beer-guzzling incompetents who can't do anything more challenging than changing channels etc. (Can't link as don't have subscription).
Then there's a big sidebar piece on Daddy Pig as an example of a lazy, incompetent Dad.
Now, maybe I'm being oversensitive and yes, Daddy Pig can be a bit pompous and self-important and is rubbish at DIY and map-reading but Homer is a borderline alcoholic who couldn't run a pissup in brewery and is several leagues of magnitude worse.....

ShadeofViolet Wed 12-Jun-13 12:35:57

YANBU.

Daddy Pig reminds me of Boris Johnson, but he does have a heart and quite a few of the episodes he is spending time with Peppa and George.

ouryve Wed 12-Jun-13 12:40:14

Daddy pig isn't exactly talented, but his heart is in the right place and he does play with the children, tell them stories and take them out a lot.

So YANBU. I wouldn't lump him in the same category as Homer, at all.

Daddy pig cooks, cleans, does laundry, spends time with his kids and buys Mommy Pig excellent birthday gifts.

apart from being obese and a bit of a pompous git he's alright really.

Homer on the other hand is a criminal alcoholic who wouldn't do the dishes if you pointed a gun to his head. And he's obese, mentally deficient and abusive to his children.

I know which one most women would pick.

LaundryLegoLunch Wed 12-Jun-13 12:42:12

No, he's not as bad but I hate the way he's portrayed in Peppa Pig, some of loveable but useless. And I really, really hate the way they go on about his fat tummy - why is that considered ok?

quesadilla Wed 12-Jun-13 12:43:13

ShadeofViolet now you come to mention the BoJo connection I can see it. Except without the long-winded classical references and the playing away

Daddy Pig represents solid middle class values though. Homer would probably be homeless and living in a box by the side of the railway tracks if it weren't for Marge.

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 12-Jun-13 13:12:45

He doesn't respect the fact that Mummy pig works from home sometimes though as he always sends the kids in to play !happy mrs chicken' whilst she's working so he can watch tv

mistlethrush Wed 12-Jun-13 13:17:37

I heard a report on R4 this morning lumping Hugh Dennis (Outnumbered) and Homer Simpson together as bad portrayals of Dads - with the suggestion that it would be sexist if a similar portrayal was given of mums. Apparently this was research carried out by NM.

bonzo77 Wed 12-Jun-13 13:29:41

YANBU. Daddy pig is an architect: university educated, a levels etc. he's thoughtful and considerate to his wife. He's a hands on dad and when he's not being pompous does not take himself seriously. I love daddy pig.

I don't really watch the Simpsons. But homer seems to be a feckless twat, alcoholic, irresponsible, low life who is encouraging his son to be the same.

ballinacup Wed 12-Jun-13 13:37:27

As Homer once said to Marge, "I've figured out the one thing I can offer you that no one else can... Complete and utter dependence!"

Summer, I don't understand, how does being obese make a man a bad father?

MajesticWhine Wed 12-Jun-13 13:42:41

I am always offended by the negative portrayal of Daddy Pig within the programme itself. The rest of the family are always mocking him and mentioning his fat tummy. He always seems to screw everything up and everyone laughs. It's just not ok. I don't know how he has the self-esteem to even get himself out of bed, poor chap.

Daddy Pig is a great hands-on dad; in fact he's generally more of a hands-on nurturing parent than Mummy Pig and that's quite refreshing. He's also clearly (from the episodes where we see him doing it) good at his job. Yes, they've made him a bit crap at a bunch of other stuff to balance that out, but otherwise he'd be a super-pig and far less interesting.

quesadilla Wed 12-Jun-13 13:53:33

yes it was netmums.
Fair enough, I think the portrayal of dads on TV is generically a pretty two-dimensional stereotype that implies that they are all a bit rubbish. But there's a huge spectrum from Homer Simpson to Daddy Pig (or Hugh Dennis, come to that.)

GaryBuseysTeeth Wed 12-Jun-13 14:04:53

Yanbu.

Daddy Pig has to put up with lots of sniping from Mummy Pig, infront of the children (she's always on about him about having a dirty car or being rubbish at map reading).
Mummy Pig is rubbing off on Peppa, she's always berating him, calling him naughty/silly daddy & feeding his cake to the ducks.

Homer is an awful father & husband, he's not as bad as Peter (and Lois) Griffin though. Although going back to kids tv, King Thistle off Ben & Holly is a much worse dad than Daddy Pig.
Mr.Elf is a good dad, although he does seem to be unable to relax.

It's an interesting subject, I can't think of many excellent Dad's/father figures in children's tv (my DS is 18 months, so there's probably a whole lot I've not been exposed to yet).

Ballinacup.... The pig parents are both obese and the little pigs are fed lots of junk and are also overweight, I don't think that's great parenting tbh.

TheDeadlyDonkey Wed 12-Jun-13 14:17:13

Those of you saying he is useless and not talented have obviously not seen him dive.

Sleep404 Wed 12-Jun-13 14:17:49

They're pigs, they're meant to be fat.

ShadeofViolet Wed 12-Jun-13 14:19:26

Or his champion muddy puddle jump.

quesadilla Wed 12-Jun-13 14:20:46

Its depressing, isn't it, that as portrayals of mums have become more positive and capable that the portrayal of dads has just become that they are incompetent at best and feckless at worst. I suppose comedy relies on having to have at least one family member who is a bit rubbish and if the mum and kids are off-limits it falls to dad.

I'd hardly classify Family Guy as kids TV though....

Sleep404 Wed 12-Jun-13 14:22:11

Or jump in muddy puddles. I think they are reading too much into it.

And the Simpsons is an adult programme steeped in sarcasm. A bit like American dad or the overt racism of the pub landlord. He obviously isn't a racist but it pointing out how ridiculous racists are.

Sleep404 Wed 12-Jun-13 14:24:30

In family guy, both parents are portrayed as being pretty useless.

Badgerwife Wed 12-Jun-13 14:49:45

And when Daddy Pig send the kids to see Mummy Pig whilst she is working, he is actually making soup for lunch, I think that's pretty good myself! He's not perfect but then who is?

1Veryhungrycaterpillar Wed 12-Jun-13 19:31:25

For a man/pig maybe

caramelwaffle Wed 12-Jun-13 19:45:17

Homer Simpson is far from being a deadbeat dad: he is an engineer in the nuclear industry with his finger on the button: he has a stay at home home wife and he earns in the region of $100 000 See here

He needs to cut those two hairs off however - comb overs - sheesh!

caramelwaffle Wed 12-Jun-13 19:46:06

*stay at home...

gordyslovesheep Wed 12-Jun-13 19:53:15

yes I don't see Homer as a bad dad - he adores his kids - he's loyal, he works and he loves his wife

HappyHippyChick Wed 12-Jun-13 19:54:26

I love daddy pig. He isn't useless, in the DIY episode he cracks the wall but then mends it, plasters and paints.

He has a good job, cooks, is a hands on dad and is very tolerant of his in-laws. He doesn't take himself too seriously. He organised breakfast in bed, a gift, babysitters and a night out for mummy pigs birthday and is full of surprises (plays an instrument, dives like Tom Daley and is a champion muddy puddle jumper).

I am a fan of daddy pig blush and possibility watch too much peppa pig!

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed Wed 12-Jun-13 19:57:31

Right...

FoxyRevenger Wed 12-Jun-13 19:58:35

My BIL is the spitting image of Daddy Pig.

Irrelevant, but true.

FourEyesGood Wed 12-Jun-13 19:58:41

He's also endlessly patient with Peppa being really irritating.

Ezza1 Wed 12-Jun-13 20:18:20

Yanbu. Daddy Pig is a bit of an expert at being a good dad.

Lots of good things to say about Homer and Daddy Pig. They may not be perfect Dads, but they are in there doing their best.

TBH I think the Times and Daily Mail are being over-sensationalist. Why such criticism when there is (arguably) such a lack of positive representations of fathers elsewhere in the media? At the end of the day, they are cartoons. When we are laughing, are we laughing at them, or with them? I know OH (and quite a few other dads) find Homer amusing, not offensive.

And what about the other dads, (Stupid) Flanders, Milhouse's Dad, Side Show Bob, in the Simpsons? Daddy Sheep/Rabbit/Zebra etc in Peppa Pig.

Flanders could be seen as an ideal dad. But without Homer, there would be much less comedy. Do we warm to him, like we warm to Homer?

Who, or what, would be a good cartoon role model dad?

Perhaps it's time for a Homer/Daddy Pig backlash!

crewcutandnewt.com/2013/06/13/homer-and-daddy-pig-let-the-backlash-begin/

Homer is one of the 20th C's great philosophers, & I quote,

'Beer, the cause of & the answer to, all of life's problems'

'Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. '

'Dear Lord.. The gods have been good to me. For the first time in my life, everything is absolutely perfect just the way it is. So here's the deal: You freeze everything the way it is, and I won't ask for anything more. If that is OK, please give me absolutely no sign. OK, deal. '

'Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.'

'Bart, with $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like...love! '

Mind you - Daddy Pig is always amusing in his interactions with people from other countries, I especially enjoy his assertion that any tongue other than English is 'talking nonsense', despite previous convictions of proficiency.

GoshAnneGorilla Fri 14-Jun-13 01:25:27

Daddy Pig is wonderful, not least for that gorgeous voice. blush

ShinyPenny Fri 14-Jun-13 02:17:41

They're neither deadbeat dads, and Daddy Pig is an excellent father.
Good job, home in time for dinner & bedtime every day, cooks, hoovers, does an equal amount of childcare, fundraises for the school even!

Daddy Pig plays drums and accordion.
Plus ballet and puddle jumping and diving.
And won the parent leg of the child/parent relay.
He can cook, bake, lay bricks, plaster and paint.
He can coach basketball and plays 5-a-side football
He can climb up trees (but not down).
Despite being scared of heights he accompanied his children on fair rides.
He can mend car washers and computers by rebooting them.
He loves his family, shares family tasks equally and is good humoured and gracious.
It is outrageous to say he is not a good dad.

Elquota Sat 15-Jun-13 20:55:03

Daddy Pig is great! He has a good work-life balance.

Sparklymommy Sat 15-Jun-13 20:57:28

Daddy pig reminds me of my dh. Homer Simpson does not. End of story!

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